Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Shrek on August 06, 2011, 05:05:01 PM
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Thought I'd start one as it's live on AVTV.
VILLA v Braga: Given, Young, Dunne, Clark, Warnock, N'Zogbia, Petrov, Makoun, Heskey, Agbonlahor, Bent.
Subs: Ireland, Bannan, Albrighton, Clark, Beye, Delfouneso, Guzan, Hogg, Gardner, Herd, Lichaj, Marshall.
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Other streams may be available too (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=126200&part=sports)
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not on villa streams sadly and im not sure its worth £4.99 to listen to the warbling woodward.
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not on villa streams sadly and im not sure its worth £4.99 to listen to the warbling woodward.
It is if you're a ST holder and you've activated your code.
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I like the look of that side. Would have liked to watch but I am on my way to pub.
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not on villa streams sadly and im not sure its worth £4.99 to listen to the warbling woodward.
I've paid the fiver, I think we need all the money we can get at Villa at the moment.
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Never subscribed to AVTV.
I have activated my ST code and I can get the other AVTV stuff OK
On tenterhooks now that its going to come through with the game.
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I think he will play Heskey wide left and Gabby just behind Bent.
Im also assuming that this is what we will start the season with apart from Collins/Clark.
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Mat Kendrick on Twitter said Fabian Delph hasn't travelled. Anyone know why?
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Heskey on left wing? Oh dear lol...
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Wow, 2 keepers on the bench
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Somethings wrong with the line up! Clarks on the bench and in the starting 11! assume one is Collins
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Somethings wrong with the line up! Clarks on the bench and in the starting 11! assume one is Collins
"Two Ciaran Clarks, there's only 2 Ciaran Clarks......"
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Collins bad back apparently
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Collins bad back apparently
That's a good start to the season! What about Delph?? He's not travelled.....perhaps AM might sign some cover now??
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AVTV thing getting on my nerves. I can listen to commetary but there is no link to "Watch live". I can see all the other AVTV stuff. Anyone have problems with AVTV in Firefox?
edit: scrub round that - screen refresh gives me the link :o)
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AVTV thing getting on my nerves. I can listen to commetary but there is no link to "Watch live". I can see all the other AVTV stuff. Anyone have problems with AVTV in Firefox?
Same here - it's listed as an 'upcoming event' so I'm hoping it will go live nearer kick off. Anyone not on Firefox got a live feed on AVTV yet?
EDit - ignore - see Breezebent's edit above - now OK
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Heskey is not a bloody winger, so why does he keep operating him there. McLeish is seriously reminding me of MON when playing players out of position.
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There is a link to it but it kicks you into the signing up for AVTV again.
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Scorchio links (http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/77105/1/watch-sporting-braga-vs-aston-villa.html)
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There is a link to it but it kicks you into the signing up for AVTV again.
Working fine for me.
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Scorchio links (http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/77105/1/watch-sporting-braga-vs-aston-villa.html)
excellent exigo , your a star!
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I am getting pictures on the AVTV link now.
Bloody great picture.
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There is a link to it but it kicks you into the signing up for AVTV again.
Yes, i'm getting that as well.
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There is a link to it but it kicks you into the signing up for AVTV again.
I've linked to it without getting kicked into signing up again, but nothing playing - just a black box in the middle of the screen
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There is a link to it but it kicks you into the signing up for AVTV again.
Yes, i'm getting that as well.
Have you signed in?
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Woodward commenatry on now.
Anybody know why there are about 30 washing lines strung across above the pitch ? You need a bloody big ladder to get up there to hang the shirts out to dry.
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so glad im watching portugese tv and not listening to woodwards warbling.
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looks like premier entertainments took a coach over................
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That's one fucked up formation, or too many players are out if position.
I hope McLeish is not pandering to the fans with that team by playing too many attacking players. We'll get destroyed.
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looks like premier entertainments took a coach over................
Just noticed that haha
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much rather see gardner in midfield rather than heskey out wide , looks unbalanced to me.
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I see the tall chap who sells the fanzine at the Trinity / Holte corner is there.
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The home fans singing is loud but it more like a bloody funeral march.
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Five mins gone and I don't think I can listen to Woodward's Alan Partridge impression for much longer.
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They've got a player called Quim
Hur hur.
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5 mins gone ? mines not kicked off yet , braga just gone into a pre match huddle.
see you at half time as im 5 mins behind and dont want to know what happens before it gets to my screen.
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5 mins gone ? mines not kicked off yet , braga just gone into a pre match huddle.
see you at half time as im 5 mins behind and dont want to know what happens before it gets to my screen.
kick off was delayed, we are only 3 mins in live.
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Great work from Gabby
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They've got a player called Quim
Hur hur.
F'narr F'narr!
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Nice bit of one-touch leading up to it as well
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I have to say that the away kit looks really smart.
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"rather fetching away shirt"...Jesus Christ!?
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I am hoping to be impressed by their amusingly-named striker Alan.
Interested to see Warnock's starting, nice tackle there.
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those shadows on the pitch are a pain , 9 mins gone on mine , how far am i behind?
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5 mins gone ? mines not kicked off yet , braga just gone into a pre match huddle.
see you at half time as im 5 mins behind and dont want to know what happens before it gets to my screen.
I meant I'd been watching it for five minutes.
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my picture on avtv is terrible.
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http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/77105/1/watch-sporting-braga-vs-aston-villa.html
try that shrek- no woodward either.
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You're ok eastie, I checked mine when I saw your message and taking that into account, reckon you're bang on
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Listening to Woodward is like scouring your scrotum with a brillo pad soaked in nitric acid.
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good link here but in portuguese http://www.sport2you.org/p/live2.html
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Woodward really is shit
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I have to say that the away kit looks really smart.
i like black rather than white away shirts -saves on persil.
thanks kingzog.
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great ball through by jean 11
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Woodward really is shit
His intonation is all wrong, randomly rising to a near shout at the wrong moment.
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Fairly leisurely stuff so far, you'd have to say.
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Listening to Woodward is like scouring your scrotum with a brillo pad soaked in nitric acid.
And the expert speaks......each to their own but please keep your kinks to a more suitable thread. There may be folk of a sensitive disposition reading. I mean a brillo pad is extreme. Aldi's 8p pan scourer works just as well. There's a credit crunch on you know.
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"Here now come Braga, wearing those red shirts"
Yes, you prick, we can see it with our eyes.
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Woodward really is shit
Knowing you KingZog, knowing me Jack Woodward.........Ah ha.
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00795/alan-partridge460_795711c.jpg)
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Wowzer.
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petrov looks knackered already to me , his stamina is a real worry- i read his autobiography and it seems he was the same at celtic .
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Nice goal from the bloke out of Aswad.
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fuck me! What a goal!
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Bugger. Great shot though
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Good goal, that. He went turned past Petrov like he wasn't there, though...
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Petrov again allows him easily past, seriously the man is irritating the hell out of me as he's not good enough!!!
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given had no chance , nice curl on it too.
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As we're doing the Partridge:
TWAT!
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Class goal by them! Thanks for the links.
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Goallllllllll
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00795/alan-partridge460_795711c.jpg)
Shitttttttttttttttttttt
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we look more disjointed than a 3 legged table at the moment.
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I thought Partridge said "bit of a turd trimmer" then, must have been turf trimmer he said.
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Need to do better with headers like that.
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clark should have buried that.
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bad miss by Clark
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Bloody midfield can't keep the ball for more than two passes.
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Clark should have scored there. Good delivery by N'Zogbia - going to be unusual this season not seeing all our corners over-hit!
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There seems to be a mountain range behind the goal we're attacking. What the hell is this ad?!
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i dont really see the point of playing heskey out wide , id rather seen albrighton , or bannan and lets see gardener get the 2nd half in place of the tiring petrov.
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i dont really see the point of playing heskey out wide , id rather seen albrighton , or bannan and lets see gardener get the 2nd half in place of the tiring petrov.
yup I agree
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There seems to be a mountain range behind the goal we're attacking. What the hell is this ad?!
as if we hadnt already got a mountain to climb!
any odds on when we will have our 1st shot on target?
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First touch of a rapist, Heskey
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As we're doing the Partridge:
TWAT!
Shit! Did you see that?
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Commentator on AVTV is quite sickening... a bit like Heskey's contribution so far.
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There seems to be a mountain range behind the goal we're attacking. What the hell is this ad?!
as if we hadnt already got a mountain to climb!
any odds on when we will have our 1st shot on target?
At least Jean II is showing his range of passing, and games like this will help us reach peak fitness.
God I'm bored.
Marky Mark for Emule and Barry Banana for Petrov.
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Have we had a shot on target yet?
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We've played some good stuff the last 5 or 10 minutes, although a bit toothless. I'd say the formation is about right, but that midfield is asking for trouble in my view.
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As we're doing the Partridge:
TWAT!
Shit! Did you see that?
Shame there's been no liquid football yet.
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Have we had a shot on target yet?
Not since the Blackburn game in Hong Kong, no.
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our passing is very poor and no creativity at all , rather depressing .
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We've played some good stuff the last 5 or 10 minutes, although a bit toothless. I'd say the formation is about right, but that midfield is asking for trouble in my view.
are we watching the same game?
nice finish by nzogbia , ashley who?
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That's what you could call "against the run of play"
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YYEEESSSS. Get in N'Zog
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Gooooooooooooooooooooooal
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GET INNN! :)
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Yay! N'Zogbia!
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Feed the Zog!!!
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Get In. 1-1 N'Zog.
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Zoggy !
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Honestly, Woodward is so unbelievably fucking shit.
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and the zog scores
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Nice one Charlie.
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Blimey, King Charles 1-1. Lashed home from Benty assist close in!
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Zog
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Fucking picture froze just after Insomnia shot, had to wait ten seconds to see if it went in or not!
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We've played some good stuff the last 5 or 10 minutes, although a bit toothless. I'd say the formation is about right, but that midfield is asking for trouble in my view.
are we watching the same game?
Um, I think so - some decent passing, better movement off the ball, and the defensive shape seems to be holding. Oh, and a goal too!
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eastie you want to bet on a goal being scored within the next two minutes on your stream?
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Woodward when they hit the post...."That one really seemed to flatten the carpentry"
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Whooo Let the Zog out....who who!!!
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1-1 HT. Is anyone on a non-AVTV stream that isn't pausing every 10 secs?
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gabby isnt really anywhere near the player he used to be , half time but not a great deal to be happy bout.
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1-1 HT. Is anyone on a non-AVTV stream that isn't pausing every 10 secs?
click on link 3 at the top.
leeds 3 down at southampton.
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1-1 HT. Is anyone on a non-AVTV stream that isn't pausing every 10 secs?
Try this http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/77105/3/watch-sporting-braga-vs-aston-villa.html
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I really can't see the point of Heskey.
He has contributed absolutely nothing.
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One thing I do like about Woodward is that at half time he just fucks off for a bovril or whatever foreign muck they drink over there, and gives us a break.
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1-1 HT. Is anyone on a non-AVTV stream that isn't pausing every 10 secs?
Bet365
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Two bright points, Makouns passing and The Zogs goal.
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I really can't see the point of Heskey.
He has contributed absolutely nothing.
I can't, either. He's rubbish and has been pretty much since day one. The sooner he's off our wage bill, the better.
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Going completely against what everyone seems to be saying on here.
I think we've played well, Makoun and Petrov both very good.
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I also think Heskey's done pretty well whilst being played completely out of position, but that won't stop people calling him a useless waste of space etc.
I still want to sell him mind.
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Going completely against what everyone seems to be saying on here.
I think we've played well, Makoun and Petrov both very good.
already pissed at only 7 o clock on a saturday night - dear me?
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Aye aye, this is more like it.
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One thing I do like about Woodward is that at half time he just fucks off for a bovril or whatever foreign muck they drink over there, and gives us a break.
Yeh....and look at these dancing girls........whoooooorrrrrrrrrrrrr
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This is much better...
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Going completely against what everyone seems to be saying on here.
I think we've played well, Makoun and Petrov both very good.
Very much agree on Makoun.
He is very neat and tidy, and even in when its a bit tight he nearly always manages a pass to a team mate
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Makoun been very good however Petrov is awful!!!
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Christ but there's some munters in Portugal. A few I wouldn't climb over to get to my missus tho'
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I do love cheerleaders. One of the good things to come out of North America. Although none of them are making the Dallas Cowboys team, not a bad effort though.
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hahahaha - close up on someone having a little rummage in his shorts while watching the dancing girls! Classic!!!
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Hahahahaha..... pom pom girls doing their stuff, thats absolutely magnificent.......woodward sounds excatly like partridge!
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Would like to see Marc on for Heskey and Ireland on for Petrov second half
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I also think Heskey's done pretty well whilst being played completely out of position, but that won't stop people calling him a useless waste of space etc.
I still want to sell him mind.
not just pissed , bit paralytic?
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Sign em up...sign em up...sign em up !
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Fantastic setting that stadium - Stoke fans would have a field day sitting in the trees and watching for free
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there are 2 subs in yellow bibs who haven't moved for about 5 mins since the girls came out
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Makoun been very good however Petrov is awful!!!
Well you clearly think he's an awful footballer. Of course he isn't, in fact he's very good. And I'm not sure he's giving the ball away more than once or twice.
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I also think Heskey's done pretty well whilst being played completely out of position, but that won't stop people calling him a useless waste of space etc.
I still want to sell him mind.
not just pissed , bit pareletic?
Not sure what that last word is, but I've not had a drink. Just calling it how I see it.
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Makoun been very good however Petrov is awful!!!
Well you clearly think he's an awful football. Of course he isn't, in fact he's very good. And I'm not sure he's giving the ball away more than once or twice.
hells bells man , what have you been drinking? paralytic- predictive text.
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Makoun been very good however Petrov is awful!!!
Well you clearly think he's an awful football. Of course he isn't, in fact he's very good. And I'm not sure he's giving the ball away more than once or twice.
hells bells man , what have you been drinking?
It wasn't funny the first time.
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ha ha
Pauline and DC5 there.
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Haha! Just seen Jon & Pauline on the feed! Big yawn from Jon and the Queen Victoria look from Pauline (if QV wore sunglasses). Brilliant!
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1-1 HT. Is anyone on a non-AVTV stream that isn't pausing every 10 secs?
Try this http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/77105/3/watch-sporting-braga-vs-aston-villa.html
Cheers steve, sorry should've said that's the one Im on - hasn't frozen since HT now!
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1-1 HT. Is anyone on a non-AVTV stream that isn't pausing every 10 secs?
Try this http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/77105/3/watch-sporting-braga-vs-aston-villa.html
Cheers steve, sorry should've said that's the one Im on - hasn't frozen since HT now!
if it freezes click on link 3 at the top - its more reliable.
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Cheers eastie, will do
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Evenin' all.
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Braga FK going close...
Given's in a cap!
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evenin'
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evening sibs - why the late show?
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Makoun's looking good- one-touch passes keeping things ticking.
Not sure about Heskey on the wing...
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makoun is looking a class act in midfield for us .
i remember watching heskay at sours last year nd he was superb before he got injured - i cant work the guy out, maybe its a confidence thing?
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evening sibs - why the late show?
Forgot about it, really.
Plus the weather was nice.
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58 min - Dunne giving away FK on edge of box.
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evening sibs - why the late show?
Forgot about it, really.
Plus the weather was nice.
apart from nzogbias goal you didnt miss much to be honest.
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marco about to come on
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59 min Given save from FK.
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We're going to have to test Jon and Pauline.
Pre-season tour to The Falklands and Greenland next season I reckon.
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evening sibs - why the late show?
Forgot about it, really.
Plus the weather was nice.
apart from nzogbias goal you didnt miss much to be honest.
Good goal?
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makoun is looking a class act in midfield for us .
i remember watching heskay at sours last year nd he was superb before he got injured - i cant work the guy out, maybe its a confidence thing?
He was very good then but he was playing up front.
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60 min - Braga corner, from a mishit shot off Villa defender.
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Unlikely to be playing good passing football with heskey wide and tabby up top with bent I reckon.
Bit difficult to know what eck considers the first choice team to be tbh.
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How's Zoggy done apart from his goal?
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evening sibs - why the late show?
Forgot about it, really.
Plus the weather was nice.
apart from nzogbias goal you didnt miss much to be honest.
Good goal?
decent low shot from the edge of box, but their goal was better.
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60 min - another Braga corner. Petrov hit in chest
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62 min - Zog off, MarkyMark on
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evening sibs - why the late show?
Forgot about it, really.
Plus the weather was nice.
apart from nzogbias goal you didnt miss much to be honest.
Good goal?
decent low shot from the edge of box, but their goal was better.
Sounding good. Cheers.
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How's Zoggy done apart from his goal?
tidy and adventurous. He's looking for movement which will come with chemistry. He wants to get forward all the time which is encouraging.
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Zoggy off for Albrighton.
Would have liked to have seen Zoggy and Albrighton playing on left and right wings.
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i think nzogbias shot was our only shot on target in the 1st hour so far, not creating anything with heskey and gabby out of position .
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How's Zoggy done apart from his goal?
Tidy enough. Few good touches here and there. Looks a moody sod though!
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i think nzogbias shot was our only shot on target in the 1st hour so far, not creating anything with heskey and gabby out of position .
Bent had a shot on target.
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65min - good move from Braga, near side whipped in cross, header going just high and wide.
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Zoggy off for Albrighton.
Would have liked to have seen Zoggy and Albrighton playing on left and right wings.
Tonight was about getting N'Zogbia some playing time, it will happen eventually, but good call from AM not over-exerting him on his first run out.
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i think nzogbias shot was our only shot on target in the 1st hour so far, not creating anything with heskey and gabby out of position .
Bent had a shot on target.
must have missed that when screen froze then.
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fuck me that was lucky
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Offside but that would have been an awful goal to concede.
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66 min - Clark cuts out Braga counter attack, corner.
66 min - Ball in Villa net. Diving header beats Given near post - offside.
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a good yard off
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we look bagged again. We don't do hot and humid too well.
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67 min - Luke Young responds in kind, header from cross just high
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The goal's settled us down, keeping possession well. Defence looking fairly unruffled, Clark's mistake for their goal apart. As others have said, Makoun has been excellent, but as neat and tidy as he is Petrov aint the def-mid we need, lacks the required energy. The Zog looks real class, but this front three is worrying.
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clark and young have both had decent chances but headed off target - clarks was a sitter really.
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Random question: can a GK take a throw in?
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68 min Dunne going in hard, gives awa FK near corner position. Given catches ball mid-air
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we're certainly getting a lot of defending set pieces practice. That will come back to bite us if we don't learn to cut out errors around the box.
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I think their bloke just tried to clear the mountain with that shot.
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sibs- i like your minute by minute descriptions , do you work for teletext?
we are getting a bit exposed at left back in the last few minutes.
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Random question: can a GK take a throw in?
Yep.
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69 min - Braga shot well high, from volley. Lucky bounce setting it up.
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Superman's coming on. Let's have a goal Stephen
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71 min Braga once again exposing Villa defence. Through ball near side, crosses, finds no-one.
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72min - Bent off, Ireland on.
TV graphic showed Ashely Young!
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The mentalist is coming on. Will he score, get sent off, do nothing or headbutt the mountain?
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Random question: can a GK take a throw in?
Yep.
I'm sure I've seen it happen. Possibly John Burridge.
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Ashley Young has been disguised as Darren Bent! Genius from AM!
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apprently our number 7 is ashley young - I reckon he might have had some work done over the summer...
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apparaentley ashley young has just come on for bent?
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Random question: can a GK take a throw in?
Yep.
I'm sure I've seen it happen. Possibly John Burridge.
seen a few times a keeper take a short throw to get the game moving .
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73 min - Braga now going for the channels, attacking the left side.
Villa holding their own, good passing but no real service for the strikers.
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Hope the mancs are contributing to our new loanees wages.
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Random question: can a GK take a throw in?
Yep.
I'm sure I've seen it happen. Possibly John Burridge.
seen a few times a keeper take a short throw to get the game moving .
In the Premier League? Can't remember one instance.
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Random question: can a GK take a throw in?
Yep.
I'm sure I've seen it happen. Possibly John Burridge.
seen a few times a keeper take a short throw to get the game moving .
In the Premier League? Can't remember one instance.
usually when a teams chasing the game and the other team hoofs it long out of play , keeper runs to touchline and throws back in short to defender.
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Ashley may have gone, but his spirit lives on in the guise of shit free kicks, I see.
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What a thoroughly shite free kick.
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feck. avtv gone a bollock!
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oh dear, warnock just blazed a free kick 30 yards over the bar from 30 yards out.
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73 min - Braga now going for the channels, attacking the left side.
Villa holding their own, good passing but no real service for the strikers.
Where we heard that before?
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heskeys gettin out wide on the ball but turning back and passing infield - unable to take on his marker-frustrating.
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feck. avtv gone a bollock!
Ive had to swith mine to low def for a steady picture
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Bazza Bannan on for Stan
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Brilliant feed from AVTV today. Sorry some of you lot have had issues. My sound experience is fucked because Woodknob is commentating.
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My AVTV picture has been absolutely perfect all the way....its just the twat on commentary.
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How long to go?
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last 5 mins now.
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My AVTV picture has been absolutely perfect all the way....its just the twat on commentary.
Have you got a high Meg broadband? Ive only got 2Meg, so i'm assuming this hasn't helped me.
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We haven't seen much of Ireland going forward in his cameo, but he has tracked back well.
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decent run out fitness wise , makoun man of match for us i reckon , well now down to the real thing , enjoy your evening lads and ill see you next saturday.
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Some lovely stuff from Ireland, there!
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Brilliant feed from AVTV today. Sorry some of you lot have had issues. My sound experience is fucked because Woodknob is commentating.
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Quality bit of play at the end there by the midfield.
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C***ing internet. I gather the game's finished?
Not too bad overall, still carrying a few passengers. As far as transfers go, if Ireland doesn't show up, a Parker-style player on a loan/free?
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Brilliant feed from AVTV today. Sorry some of you lot have had issues. My sound experience is fucked because Woodknob is commentating.
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Bet Jack's staying in a motel where the workers take the piss out of him in Portugese...
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some nice movement at the end there. Overall happy with the CB's, goalkeeper and Makoun. No worries with Bent and Zog. Concerns with Gabby as he works hard but looks lacking in confidence going forward and the full backs as they were stretched quite often.
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Like to have seen Bent have a chance to get on the end of a few of those Allbrighton crosses but we looked OK. Any worries that an Eck Villa was going to be dull and direct have been dispelled at least. N'Zogbia eased in and took his goal well and looks like Ireland has pulled his socks up.
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What an embarrassment! The guy is an idiot. Who the hell decided to appoint him? I can't believe I got that for the price of a season ticket. Just who the hell is that Alan Partridge wannabe commentator? Bloody awful.
As for the performance. Not great, not bad. Would prefer one of Albrighton/Ireland/Bannan to start over Heskey and possibly Gabby as well.
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The view from the away section is reported to have been crap.
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My AVTV picture has been absolutely perfect all the way....its just the twat on commentary.
Have you got a high Meg broadband? Ive only got 2Meg, so i'm assuming this hasn't helped me.
Was going to say my feed was 101% all the way through, but I do have 30mb broadband.
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Brilliant feed from AVTV today. Sorry some of you lot have had issues. My sound experience is fucked because Woodknob is commentating.
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Bet Jack's staying in a motel where the workers take the piss out of him in Portugese...
that car is pretty much like most of Lisbon. Decaying and covered in graffiti.
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Ireland's little cameo was very encouraging.
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As long as there were no injuries that's all that matters.
Hopefully we'll be ready for next week.
It will be nice if we can get a couple more players in before the end of the window.
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Just watched the last 10 minutes... at times Braga were holding onto the ball easily, but we still pressed, once we got possesion of the ball we passed it around nicely, at times we probably just need to show a bit more intent going forward. Ireland got himself into some good positions and he looked comfortable on the ball. Makoun's V02 Max must be off the charts... didn't get to see N'Swag's goal, any good?
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A good enough showing that, for a friendly. That defence is starting to have a look of its old self about it, which is promising. N'Zogbia did quite well and looked lively, while Makoun was, once again, a cut above the rest.
Now at the end there (and I know it was in the 90th minute of a friendly and all that), there was a little glimpse of Ireland's ability. He was darting about, calling for the ball, then moving it around very quickly, positively and accurately. That all took place in the space of about two minutes, to be fair, but a tantalising glimpse anyway.
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Who won?
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General good game. Gabby looked better. Makoun running things. Defence in control and Clarke very comfortable. Zoggy steady but hungry. Time to go on the lash .........
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Didn't see it either but eastie said it was a low shot in close range.
Overall, looking good. I suspect AM has the touch of MON in him, which is probably why the defence is behaving themselves now.
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I hope the Petrov/Makoun partnership isn't long term. Too alike and Makoun is the better player.
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Didn't see it either but eastie said it was a low shot in close range.
cross from the right that Bent knocked down to Zog on the right of the 6yd box. Zog first time left foot into the bottom right corner. Not a rocket but efficient enough.
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Who won?
1-1 Percy. They were the better team, and had more possession, but we didn't do badly. The defence had a lot of set piece practice and look a hundred times better defending them than last season.
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General good game. Gabby looked better. Makoun running things. Defence in control and Clarke very comfortable. Zoggy steady but hungry. Time to go on the lash .........
Good idea.
Extra pint cos the scum got wupped!
Cheers!
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Did Gabby play alongside Bent or in the hole?
And what do you think about Heskey on the wing? Bit of a waste?
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I hope the Petrov/Makoun partnership isn't long term. Too alike and Makoun is the better player.
Absolutely. An extremely dull game on our part, very few ideas, no width, constant back passes, a return to hoofing and no pace, only livened up by the introduction of Bannan and Ireland who seem to be on the same wave length. Why Heskey, I have no idea. Time to say goodbye to Petrov and Heskey.
Unless something changes it's going to be a very long, dull season.
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Did Gabby play alongside Bent or in the hole?
And what do you think about Heskey on the wing? Bit of a waste?
Heskey on the pitch is a bit of a waste IMO.
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I hope the Petrov/Makoun partnership isn't long term. Too alike and Makoun is the better player.
Absolutely. An extremely dull game on our part, very few ideas, no width, constant back passes, a return to hoofing and no pace, only livened up by the introduction of Bannan and Ireland who seem to be on the same wave length. Why Heskey, I have no idea. Time to say goodbye to Petrov and Heskey.
Unless something changes it's going to be a very long, dull season.
The lack of creativity was a bit frightening! We looked a bit clueless at times, but there were a few sparks of something when Bannan and Ireland came on and Marc's crossing was good. A draw against a pretty enterprising side was a decent workout, but AM has much to do before Fulham methinks!
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On another note Alan looked pretty good for Braga... he reminds me of Vagner Love (and not just because of the hair!).
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That was a tough and useful workout against a team who reached the Uefa Cup Final only a few months ago. I'd like to have seen more of Ireland playing in Gabby's position though.
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I would like to see villa use a midfield with Makoun, Ireland, Bannan, Zoggy, and a defensive midfielder (Gardner) with Bent upfront.
Game is not too bad but not too exciting but that preseason friendly. Oh Portugal TV say 7. Ashley Young instead of Stephen Ireland. LOL
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On another note Alan looked pretty good for Braga... he reminds me of Vagner Love (and not just because of the hair!).
I thought that kid Pizzi looked good. Not sure where they got him from.
Just checked, he's from their youth team.
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That was a tough and useful workout against a team who reached the Uefa Cup Final only a few months ago. I'd like to have seen more of Ireland playing in Gabby's position though.
Agreed BDE. I'd like Bannan to have had more time too, at the expense of Stan who looked a bit too much of a weak link IMO.
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Little Barry has made an impression every time he's played this pre-season, he could be a hell of a player with two really good centre mid's behind him. Glad to hear Makoun had a good game as well. If he properly settles into his role, he could very very good for us.
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I would like to see villa use a midfield with Makoun, Ireland, Bannan, Zoggy, and a defensive midfielder (Gardner) with Bent upfront.
I'd certainly go with something like that for home games. The thought of a season of Petrov and Makoun making 5 yard passes to each other frightens me.
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Heskey and Petrov looking pointless again today eh ?
Is AM seeing this aswell ?
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Just catching up with the match reports.
I've just been at a wedding barbecue (Hogroast) with none other than Des Bremner.
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Who won?
1-1 Percy. They were the better team, and had more possession, but we didn't do badly. The defence had a lot of set piece practice and look a hundred times better defending them than last season.
Thanks TV.
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Right been out most of the afternoon so... if someone could recap the previous 17 pages,
What was the score and scorers if applicable?
Were we any good?
We were the poorest and best players?
edit - just seen the above post for some of the info.
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1-1 Zog got the equaliser
We were decent, good passing play, but the usual last-ditch defending and route one bollocks is still there.
Best: Makoun - a real gem in the middle. Worst: didn't hear Heskey doing too much - he was out on the wing.
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Glad that Jean the second had a good game. I think he could be class,keeping things ticking over and using the ball intelligently,he needs someone with legs besides him though,doesn't look like we have that for now.
Shame Nrc went,as I think Delph is too naive at the minute.
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1-1 Zog got the equaliser
We were decent, good passing play, but the usual last-ditch defending and route one bollocks is still there.
Best: Makoun - a real gem in the middle. Worst: didn't hear Heskey doing too much - he was out on the wing.
Cheers, when I looked at the team it was quite attacking with Zog, Gabby, Heskey and Bent. You would expect come Fulham for an extra midfielder to come in and Zog to replace either Heskey or gabby out wide if thats how they were set up today.
Glad Makoun had a good game as when he gets to grips with the pace of play in England he will be better, he just does the simple thigs well, retains possession and is always available to receive the ball. I hope he gets a run of games in the side. From what I can make out from reading a few comments this game again highlighted the fact that we need legs and presence in the midfield.
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Bent not in England squad - did he come off injured today?
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Not from how he came off. Maybe Fabio doesn't fancy him atm.
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I know it might go against some opinion but I thought although we defended alright as a unit, we lacked the advantage Collins gives us in terms of height at centre back. Collins does have his moments, but there aren't too many CB's that are consistent first team regulars that are quite so young as Clark, because generally you do need the experience. I'd have to say I think in terms of set pieces, Collins is far more of an aerial weapon to have, and with Warnock at fullback your always going to give away free kicks in dangerous places. Collins does tend to get on the end of quite a few, whereas I think Clark was caught out by that a bit today, and Braga are certainly no Bolton/Stoke.
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Bent not in England squad - did he come off injured today?
It appears he has just been left out. A recent England squad had about 5 Villa players didn't it? This latest squad has none!
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Seven players who've played for the Villa in the squad.
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Capello treats players with no finesse at all. Scored in 3rd of the last 4th then dropped for a man united reserve. Strange.
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Capello treats players with no finesse at all. Scored in 3rd of the last 4th then dropped for a man united reserve. Strange.
Welbeck i'm assuming? Although i'm pretty happy he's not in the squad so won't risk injury (as long as he isn't already), that is quite funny.
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Warnock's frustrating to watch, great most of the time, until he either gets caught out or fancies giving his opponents some luck in free kicks. AM should put the shits up him if decides to throw a barney.
Clark for me looked assured, he does need to cut out some of his errors though, it could cost us a goal if he doesn't concentrate fully.
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Any word on why Delph didn't travel?
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Delph's been rested (according to Mat Kendrick)
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Warnock's frustrating to watch, great most of the time, until he either gets caught out or fancies giving his opponents some luck in free kicks. AM should put the shits up him if decides to throw a barney.
Clark for me looked assured, he does need to cut out some of his errors though, it could cost us a goal if he doesn't concentrate fully.
Warnock should be told that is a grand fine for every free kick he gives away diving in around our box. It is why GED dropped him last season, we conceded too many from his stupid set piece handouts. Here you did not score last time, but have another. I want to wring his neck for it. Never been so frustrated watching a full back 'defend' as Warnock and his insane diving in moments. Stay on your fucking feet and close the man down. How hard is it? He is a professional footballer, who has played full back for England FFS!!! How can he not know that diving in and giving free kicks away is a needless way of inviting pressure???
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I was very impressed with Charles N'Zogbia tonight. I must admit I was fed up of Young's antics last season: diving, over hitting crosses - I think the Zog will be more effective, he's got great poise on the ball and always looks dangerous to opposing defences.
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The combination of Zog, Ireland and Bannan with Bent leading the line could potentially be brilliant with quick incisive passing, but we still urgently need some grit in the midfield to add balance to the team.
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For me my strongest line up is:
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Young Collins Dunne Warnock
............Delph Makoun
......Zoggy Ireland Bannan
.................Bent
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I think we may be a little lightweight with both Ireland and Bannan in the team, one or the other for me.
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For me my strongest line up is:
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Young Collins Dunne Warnock
............Delph Makoun
......Zoggy Ireland Bannan
.................Bent
Id go with that too.
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I think we may be a little lightweight with both Ireland and Bannan in the team, one or the other for me.
If we play that formation, who do we play instead of one of Ireland/Bannan. We have noone with there creativity that has any steel.
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For me my strongest line up is:
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Young Collins Dunne Warnock
............Delph Makoun
......Zoggy Ireland Bannan
.................Bent
There doesn't look to be any strength in that at all I'm sorry to say.
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For me my strongest line up is:
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Young Collins Dunne Warnock
............Delph Makoun
......Zoggy Ireland Bannan
.................Bent
There doesn't look to be any strength in that at all I'm sorry to say.
Defence picks itself , and id rather go with makoun and delph than start with petrov who tires too quickly, banna , nzog and ireland can create and bent can finish -heskey and gabby playing wide do not work in my opinion.
The spell towards the end when ireland came on we played some lovely football.
I d like another defensive midfielder on board but if its delph or petrov then id rather see delph get a run, than see petrov huffing and puffing after 50 mins.
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What's the point of having strength in the team, if when we use all that strength to win the ball but cannot keep hold of it. Unless we sign a Scotty Parker we have to make do with what we have.
IMO the team above would be our most effective.
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From the cooments AM has made during the last couple of weeks, I think you can be assured that Petrov and Heskey will start against Fulham next week. How long they remain in the team will depend on how they do or, more importantly, how well others do when they come on as subs/perform on the training pitch/play in behind closed doors friendlies.
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Heskey and Petrov looking pointless again today eh ?
Is AM seeing this aswell ?
Who knows? MON and GH didn't...
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I'followed' the game on Twiitter last night; it seemed that we were a bit 'same old, same old' with far too many speculative balls and lack of gelling together.
I am a VERY positive person, but ( and I dearly hope I'm proved wrong), from what I see this season is going to be a painful one.
Good to see N'Zog scoring mind.