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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Hookeysmith on August 05, 2011, 09:29:59 AM
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Heard from a very good source that he is to sign for the dog shit - been having trials with them aparrantly
From hero to zero in a very short space of time :-\
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I thought he loved us.
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An acquaintance of mine, fond of ugly girls and rough nightclubs, would describe this arrangement as 'binraking'.
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He went to zero with some of his half arsed performances last season.
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We had his best years and he's now clearly on a downward spiral, if he signs for them then so be it.
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Couldn't give a toss
A bit like his attitude
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If he plays as well for them as he did for us last season he'll be a great signing. ;D
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Why shouldnt he - we have binned him out and he is entitled to earn a living.
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Its a sad day when the best offer he gets is from Blues, relatively they must be paying very poorly these days.
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Why shouldnt he - we have binned him out and he is entitled to earn a living.
Exactly.
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He's looking for a club that's playing in Europe.
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John Carew Carew
Still earning a bob or two
He's turned a sickly shade of blue
John Carew Carew
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I didn't think he would sign for the shit let's hope he has a terrible season with them.
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If true it is a very sad event. How far has John fallen....tut tut. Let this be a reminder to us all that things can go horribly wrong in life. Shame.
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And I've heard that it's not now going to happen - don't know whether that's their decision or his, but he's not going there.
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Best of luck to him.
Even in his half-arsed, moping around incarnation he'll score bucketloads against championship defences.
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Come on down agent carew
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I bet that ball boy he grabbed has gone all Lady Macbeth
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If it happens it'll just confirm what I've always thought about him, not "one of us" at all, and undeserving of the cult status he achieved while he was here.
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I read somewhere West Ham were in for him. Can't he sign for them instead?
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Yeh, Sky Sports Twttier has just said Allardyce has confirmed he's in talks with him.
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Always struggled to understand why he was given 'hero' status. Played well 5 times a season and was a lazy so and so. I met him in Vienna and he was a right miserable tw@t and begrudgingly had a photo with us but didn't want to.
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Always struggled to understand why he was given 'hero' status. Played well 5 times a season and was a lazy so and so. I met him in Vienna and he was a right miserable tw@t and begrudgingly had a photo with us but didn't want to.
Scored nearly 50 goals in not much more than 100 starts so his record is comparable with our most prolific strikers over the last 40 years. Admittedly the goals were in fits and starts but apart from the last few months, his contribution was significant.
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Always struggled to understand why he was given 'hero' status. Played well 5 times a season and was a lazy so and so. I met him in Vienna and he was a right miserable tw@t and begrudgingly had a photo with us but didn't want to.
I know i'm in the minority but I never took to Angel.An abundance of ability but was IMO a big let down.We've had lots of playesr down teh years who've divided opinions.On his day Carew was unplayable, but he didn't do it often enough.Truth be told had he been consistent we probably would never have signed him in the first place as he'd have a top 4 player.
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Always struggled to understand why he was given 'hero' status. Played well 5 times a season and was a lazy so and so. I met him in Vienna and he was a right miserable tw@t and begrudgingly had a photo with us but didn't want to.
Scored nearly 50 goals in not much more than 100 starts so his record is comparable with our most prolific strikers over the last 40 years. Admittedly the goals were in fits and starts but apart from the last few months, his contribution was significant.
37 league goals in 113 appearances. Not bad, but not as good as you make out.
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I remember reading last season something about him buying a new flat in London,so would make sense for him to sign for Wet Spam ,lots more strip clubs for him to frequent ,but who cares where he ends up.
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Always struggled to understand why he was given 'hero' status. Played well 5 times a season and was a lazy so and so. I met him in Vienna and he was a right miserable tw@t and begrudgingly had a photo with us but didn't want to.
Scored nearly 50 goals in not much more than 100 starts so his record is comparable with our most prolific strikers over the last 40 years. Admittedly the goals were in fits and starts but apart from the last few months, his contribution was significant.
37 league goals in 113 appearances. Not bad, but not as good as you make out.
Bettered by how many other villa strikers over the past 20 yrs or so ?
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Yeh, Sky Sports Twttier has just said Allardyce has confirmed he's in talks with him.
John Carew Carew
Still playing in Claret & Blue
Coming to a strip club near you (if you live in the East End)
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48 goals in 132 appearances.
Our top goal scorer 3 years running and had a great rapier with us fans.
Deserves abit of respect in my opinion!
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48 goals in 132 appearances.
Our top goal scorer 3 years running and had a great rapier with us fans.
Deserves abit of respect in my opinion!
The 132 games includes 28 as sub so pretty impressive overall.
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As others have said, he is plying his ever-decreasing-in-quality trade at a small club in a lower division. Lots of players do it and he probably has a house here - I'd file this under 'meh'.
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Better than Baros anyway (who he was swapped for).
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i heard he was asked something like ' do you think you will ever go back to VP again' and he said 'yes, as a fan'
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48 goals in 132 appearances.
Our top goal scorer 3 years running and had a great rapier with us fans.
Deserves abit of respect in my opinion!
A bit of respect, yes. It's a pretty impressive record (one that should hopefully be bettered by Bent). But he also showed us a great deal of disrespect off the field, which is the main reason that I dislike him.
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I'm very surprised that he's not been signed yet. His workrate is questionable, but as we've seen, he's unplayable on his day. I loved the guy. For all his faults, his goal record (at least for O Neill) was excellent and he scored some crackers at that. I'd have thought he'd be looking at Premier League, or a decent league somewhere. Not the championship. He's far too good for that, and his wages are too high.
Good luck to him though. I wish he was still playing for us in all honesty. As frustrating as he could be, he could still get a goal from nothing. When he was on it, he was a joy to watch.
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I don't believe for one second that he would agree to a trial with Blues. As for his record...
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This is a cross-section of key Aston Villa players taken from John Lerwill’s website, listed according to average goals per game in all 1st class matches (league and cup). I’ve included John Carew’s stats taken from Soccerbase.com, in correct order. The first entry is according to his record under Martin O’Neill and the second includes the 11 games he played this season.
Gray, Andy Centre-forward 141 69 2.04 1975 1979 Sco Also a second spell 1985-87 at end of his career.
Ford, Trevor Centre-forward 128 61 2.10 1947 1950 Wal
Thompson, Tommy Forward 165 76 2.17 1950 1955 Eng
Walker, Billy Inside-forward 531 244 2.18 1920 1933 Eng An England captain.
Dickson, Ian Centre-forward 83 38 2.18 1921 1923 zzz
Stephenson, Clem Forward 217 96 2.26 1910 1921 zzz Brother to George. In list of 100 top-players in English league football.
Platt, David Midfield (attacking) 155 68 2.28 1988 1991 Eng
Houghton, Eric Wing-forward 392 170 2.31 1927 1946 Eng Subsequent team manager at AVFC and also a director.
Dougan, Derek Centre-forward 60 26 2.31 1961 1963 NI
Garratty, Billy Forward 260 112 2.32 1897 1908 Eng
Carew, John Forward 122 52 2.34 2007 2010 Nor
Johnson, George Forward 111 47 2.36 1898 1904 zzz
Hodgetts, Denny Forward 218 90 2.42 1886 1896 Eng Club vice-president to death (1944).
Thomson, Bobby Forward (and wing-half) 172 70 2.46 1959 1964 zzz
Burrows, Harry Wing-forward 181 73 2.48 1960 1965 zzz
Withe, Peter Centre-forward 233 92 2.53 1980 1985 Eng
McInally, Alan Centre-forward 71 28 2.54 1987 1989 zzz
Pace, Derek Centre-forward 107 42 2.55 1954 1957 zzz Unlucky to be reserve for the 1957 Cup Final.
Carew, John Forward 133 52 2.55 2007 2010 Nor
Bache, Joe Inside-forward 474 184 2.57 1900 1915 Eng Captain of 'renaissance' side of 1909-14.
Shaw, Gary Striker 213 79 2.70 1979 1988 zzz A marvellous player whose career was blighted by injury.
Leonard, Keith Centre-forward 47 17 2.76 1972 1975 zzz Promising career blighted by injury.
Deehan, John Striker 139 50 2.78 1975 1979 zzz
Cowan, John Wing-forward 70 25 2.80 1895 1899 zzz Brother of James.
McParland, Peter Wing-forward 341 121 2.82 1954 1962 NI
Walsh, Dave Centre-forward 114 40 2.85 1951 1955 Ire
Chester, Reg Wing-forward 97 34 2.85 1924 1935 zzz
Graydon, Ray Wing-forward 232 81 2.86 1971 1977 zzz
Rideout, Paul Centre-forward 63 22 2.86 1983 1985 zzz
Walters, Joey Forward 122 42 2.90 1906 1912 zzz
Yorke, Dwight Centre-forward 287 98 2.93 1990 1998 Tri
Saunders, Dean Centre-forward 144 49 2.94 1992 1995 Wal
Dixon, Johnny Forward 430 144 2.99 1946 1961 zzz Captain of 1957 Cup-winning side.
John Lerwill - Key AV Players - Clicky (http://www.lerwill-life.org.uk/astonvilla/avkeyplayers.htm)
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I saw him at Rugby railway staton not long before he left.
Wasn't as big as I thought.
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37 league goals in 113 appearances. Not bad, but not as good as you make out.
A 1 in 3 strike rate playing up front for Villa - Not bad? I'd say that was equivalent of getting blood out of a stone.
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Are those our players with the best games per goal ratio in that list?
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48 goals in 132 appearances.
Our top goal scorer 3 years running and had a great rapier with us fans.
Deserves abit of respect in my opinion!
Any one with a great "rapier" deserves respect or he'll stab you with it. :)
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Are those our players with the best games per goal ratio in that list?
It's a cross section taken from a list of key AV players on Lerwill's website, so may not include every top scorer. There are another 15 players ahead of Andy Gray but none from the modern era.
John Lerwill - Key AV Players - Clicky (http://www.lerwill-life.org.uk/astonvilla/avkeyplayers.htm)
Click on the "Av. Games per Goal" column to sort
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One of MON's better siginings i guess. Just got too unreliable as time went on with his numerous "injuries" Probably should have left a year before he did and would have been remembered better for it. Can't help feeling he could have been a world beater if his heart was in it, but then we wouldn't have been able to sign him.
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His goals to minutes ratio was fantastic.
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His goals to minutes ratio was fantastic.
Not to mention his goals to running ratio.
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I'll never forget being at Reading. Other than that, I've forget most of everything he did
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I'll never forget being at Reading. Other than that, I've forget most of everything he did
One of my favourite away days ever xDAYDREAMx
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Being rejected by Sturk, for whom you would have thought he'd be the ideal target man, tells you all you need to know about where Carew is right now.
He had a couple of good seasons with us, but you have the feeling that with just a bit of application on his part they could have been great seasons. He's been like that all his career, one good season, one okay, then off to pastures new.
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I'll never forget being at Reading. Other than that, I've forget most of everything he did
One of my favourite away days ever xDAYDREAMx
Yes, he was superb at Reading, well the 2nd half anyway. The sing-a-long in the pub just outside Reading after the game was especiallly good.
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He showed us how good he could be when he could be arsed and how pathetic he could be when he couldn't be arsed.
Talent but more-so a waste of talent.
Sad.
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He'll start off well and then not do much for the rest of his contract and hopefully he will drain them of some much needed cash.
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I heard the reason he didn't sign for Stoke is because his back is badly fucked. If so, he might not play for anyone again.
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Are those our players with the best games per goal ratio in that list?
It's a cross section taken from a list of key AV players on Lerwill's website, so may not include every top scorer. There are another 15 players ahead of Andy Gray but none from the modern era.
John Lerwill - Key AV Players - Clicky (http://www.lerwill-life.org.uk/astonvilla/avkeyplayers.htm)
Click on the "Av. Games per Goal" column to sort
Interesting, but it doesn't just not include every top scorer, it misses out loads of them. Still, that doesn't negate the fact he was a decent striker in his day.
I liked Carew. MON was right when he said that, on his day, he was unplayable. Towards the end, though, he was a half arsed shambling wreck, which is a shame.
He had enough talent to be one of the top players, I think. He just needed to have the perfect attitude to go with it, but didn't.
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Are those our players with the best games per goal ratio in that list?
It's a cross section taken from a list of key AV players on Lerwill's website, so may not include every top scorer. There are another 15 players ahead of Andy Gray but none from the modern era.
John Lerwill - Key AV Players - Clicky (http://www.lerwill-life.org.uk/astonvilla/avkeyplayers.htm)
Click on the "Av. Games per Goal" column to sort
Interesting, but it doesn't just not include every top scorer, it misses out loads of them. Still, that doesn't negate the fact he was a decent striker in his day.
I liked Carew. MON was right when he said that, on his day, he was unplayable. Towards the end, though, he was a half arsed shambling wreck, which is a shame.
He had enough talent to be one of the top players, I think. He just needed to have the perfect attitude to go with it, but didn't.
He was one of the top 10 strikers in the PL during his time under O'Neill and he wasn't a shambling wreck at the end of the season before last (12 goals Jan to May). He was prolific, no other word for it.
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Are those our players with the best games per goal ratio in that list?
It's a cross section taken from a list of key AV players on Lerwill's website, so may not include every top scorer. There are another 15 players ahead of Andy Gray but none from the modern era.
John Lerwill - Key AV Players - Clicky (http://www.lerwill-life.org.uk/astonvilla/avkeyplayers.htm)
Click on the "Av. Games per Goal" column to sort
Interesting, but it doesn't just not include every top scorer, it misses out loads of them. Still, that doesn't negate the fact he was a decent striker in his day.
I liked Carew. MON was right when he said that, on his day, he was unplayable. Towards the end, though, he was a half arsed shambling wreck, which is a shame.
He had enough talent to be one of the top players, I think. He just needed to have the perfect attitude to go with it, but didn't.
He was one of the top 10 strikers in the PL during his time under O'Neill and he wasn't a shambling wreck at the end of the season before last (12 goals Jan to May). He was prolific, no other word for it.
And what about last season?
In the last several games I saw him play for us, he was an absolute shambling wreck. I am happy to blame Houllier for lots of things, but Carew's extended run of bobbing around the pitch like he was stoned isn't one of them.
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Don't do it John, it's akin to suckling at at a diseased teat of filth and pain.
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Are those our players with the best games per goal ratio in that list?
It's a cross section taken from a list of key AV players on Lerwill's website, so may not include every top scorer. There are another 15 players ahead of Andy Gray but none from the modern era.
John Lerwill - Key AV Players - Clicky (http://www.lerwill-life.org.uk/astonvilla/avkeyplayers.htm)
Click on the "Av. Games per Goal" column to sort
Interesting, but it doesn't just not include every top scorer, it misses out loads of them. Still, that doesn't negate the fact he was a decent striker in his day.
I liked Carew. MON was right when he said that, on his day, he was unplayable. Towards the end, though, he was a half arsed shambling wreck, which is a shame.
He had enough talent to be one of the top players, I think. He just needed to have the perfect attitude to go with it, but didn't.
He was one of the top 10 strikers in the PL during his time under O'Neill and he wasn't a shambling wreck at the end of the season before last (12 goals Jan to May). He was prolific, no other word for it.
And what about last season?
In the last several games I saw him play for us, he was an absolute shambling wreck. I am happy to blame Houllier for lots of things, but Carew's extended run of bobbing around the pitch like he was stoned isn't one of them.
Fair enough but for me it epitomised Houllier.
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Are those our players with the best games per goal ratio in that list?
It's a cross section taken from a list of key AV players on Lerwill's website, so may not include every top scorer.
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I am pretty sure it does include all, mate. If anyone spots anyone that should be in my list please let me know, but I spent a lot of time on it to include pretty well anyone who has had a significant playing part in Villa's history.
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Are those our players with the best games per goal ratio in that list?
It's a cross section taken from a list of key AV players on Lerwill's website, so may not include every top scorer.
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I am pretty sure it does include all, mate. If anyone spots anyone that should be in my list please let me know, but I spent a lot of time on it to include pretty well anyone who has had a significant playing part in Villa's history.
Thank you John. I couldn't think of anyone significant missing from the database, it's a very useful resource.
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John Carew looked well out of sorts last season, but he was in good company with lots of other players who'd had good seasons the year before who also looked out of sorts under Houllier. See Dunne, Collins, Warnock, Agbonlahor etc. Houllier was an utter disaster from start to finish, and we're well rid of him.
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Carew having medical at West Ham ........
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Are those our players with the best games per goal ratio in that list?
It's a cross section taken from a list of key AV players on Lerwill's website, so may not include every top scorer.
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I am pretty sure it does include all, mate. If anyone spots anyone that should be in my list please let me know, but I spent a lot of time on it to include pretty well anyone who has had a significant playing part in Villa's history.
Fuck off you prick. Go sue some other club.
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Are those our players with the best games per goal ratio in that list?
It's a cross section taken from a list of key AV players on Lerwill's website, so may not include every top scorer.
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I am pretty sure it does include all, mate. If anyone spots anyone that should be in my list please let me know, but I spent a lot of time on it to include pretty well anyone who has had a significant playing part in Villa's history.
Fuck off you prick. Go sue some other club.
That's not an appropriate comment, and I'd say an apology is in order.
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Are those our players with the best games per goal ratio in that list?
It's a cross section taken from a list of key AV players on Lerwill's website, so may not include every top scorer.
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I am pretty sure it does include all, mate. If anyone spots anyone that should be in my list please let me know, but I spent a lot of time on it to include pretty well anyone who has had a significant playing part in Villa's history.
Fuck off you prick. Go sue some other club.
There's no need for that at all.
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Why not... he sued the club. I'm not going to have banter with him about his book.
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I wish Carew all the best at West Ham as he was a fairly decent player for us but I refuse to deify him like some seem to do. I wouldn't class him as a legend for example.
Whilst some of our players definitely seemed to underperform under Houllier I think Carew's issues were more based around his decline as a player. Indeed, I'd say that people who think that some of the players who were poor under Houllier will be much better next season are in for a rude awakening.
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Are those our players with the best games per goal ratio in that list?
It's a cross section taken from a list of key AV players on Lerwill's website, so may not include every top scorer.
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I am pretty sure it does include all, mate. If anyone spots anyone that should be in my list please let me know, but I spent a lot of time on it to include pretty well anyone who has had a significant playing part in Villa's history.
Sorry, I meant Villadawg's list not including all, not your database.. I was wondering where Pongo Waring was.
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Why not... he sued the club. I'm not going to have banter with him about his book.
Less of the abuse. Even Villa can be guilty of unfair dismissal you know.
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Why not... he sued the club. I'm not going to have banter with him about his book.
Less of the abuse. Even Villa can be guilty of unfair dismissal you know.
I don't think it would be wise to debate the ins and outs of the case here. I do think he came across as an idiot before the case when he posted on this website, which is why I don't particularly like him... especially as he only comes on here to discuss/promote his website.
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I had a look at John Lerwill's posts to see if it backed up my claim that he only posts for self-promotion and found this...
"As I've stated on my blog:
"There were some things I stated on the H & V thread which (reflecting upon it in the cold light of day) were probably not best said (and I admitted as such at the Tribunal), but, even so, we're all Villa supporters and it's part of the whole issue of being such that we upset one another from time to time. We all get emotional about things we care about and, indeed, the whole matter occurred after going through a long period of personal stress.
"Certainly, no harm was meant to individuals nor to the club on my part. It was a 'storm in a teacup' as so many people have described it."
Please see http://aston-villa-views.blogspot.com/
John Lerwill"
On the basis that The Lergy seems to acknowledge that some of the things he said were "probably best not said", I withdraw my outburst and apologise.
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[quote author=cdvillafan link=topic=44385.msg1859525#msg1859525 ...The Lergy seems to acknowledge that some of the things he said were "probably best not said", I withdraw my outburst and apologise.
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Think nothing of it mate. The whole thing was a misguided affair really (not just on my part), but though Villa may well have been in the right to say to me, "Cut it out, John, this ain't very good...", they were way off beam in sacking me - as substantiated in the very detailed findings of the case.
As I've said, I'm not bearing any malice and Aston Villa is still by far the best club around as far as I am concerned.
Anyway, cdvillan, you've shown big balls in apologising and that's really appreciated. :-) Good luck to everyone on this forum.
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well said lergy , and congrats cd on having big balls.
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congrats cd on having big balls.
Err... was that you peering through my curtains this morning?
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Sorry, I meant Villadawg's list not including all, not your database.. I was wondering where Pongo Waring was.
"There are another 15 players ahead of Andy Gray but none from the modern era. "
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Carew signs for the Spammers.
Best of luck big man.
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good luck to him. Hope he whacks in a few when they play the shit. He'll be a good signing for them and right up Allardyce's street for a season to help get them promoted. Carew isn't a PL forward anymore, but if he can keep himself glued together, he'll terrorize the Championship defences. He's also in London so he won't have to go too far to find his favourite nightclubs either.
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The Sty dwellers were getting all excited this week when there was talk of him joining the great unwashed. :-)
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Fathers of Romford are sweating as we speak.
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The Lergy is back.Who as been lifting stones then?
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Carew is still only 31...he'll have some regrets when he's retired (and nice nubile women aren't sharing his bed).
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Got to laugh, someone I know works for small heath and sent me a message last week to say that Carew was in talks with them and how he was going to come back to VP in a blose shirt and score the winner at the Holte End. He was then supposed to pick up a ball-boy, chuck him into the crowd and run the length of the Holte End giving it the big Steven Carr. I quite enjoyed telling him he has signed for West Ham
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John Carew jailed for 14 months https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-11434295/Ex-Aston-Villa-Norway-striker-John-Carew-jailed-14-MONTHS-tax-evasion.html
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I bet Norwegian slammers are more or less like a refurbished Premier Inn, mind.
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I bet Norwegian slammers are more or less like a refurbished Premier Inn, mind.
Like the Castle Anthrax in Monty Python and the Holy Grail
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A bigger tax bill than me or you...
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*insert that George Best 'and the rest i just squandered' quote, whatever it was, here*
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No recollection at all of him playing for West Ham or Stoke.
Last time I saw him he was in a box just behind me at VP with HRH Prince William, or whatever he's called now.
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O'Neill mentioned him a lot in his Villa-chats while hawking his book on Villa podcasts last week (the ignominy the mighty must suffer just to shill some rubes). His fondness for Carew was evident but it sounds like he tested the patience of the manager with off-field distractions.
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On his day he was unplayable - on the other days he looked like he was distracted by his life away from football...
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Oh John.
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Say it ain't so, John.
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If it had been UK tax he might have been able to pull a few strings with HMRC.
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He robs more than me or you,
In prison a year or two...
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John Carew, who played more than 160 games for Aston Villa, Stoke and West Ham, scoring over 50 times, was sent to prison for 14 months in his native Norway on Wednesday.
Carew, 43, has also been told to pay a whopping fine of £45,353 (540,000 in Norwegian kroner) for evading taxes of more than £450,000.
The judge presiding in the case said Mr Carew had shown "gross negligence" - but that he could have been given a much longer jail sentence of two years and 7 months if it could be proven that he had evaded taxes on purpose.
"According to the evidence presented, the court cannot see that there is a cover for Carew's decision not to disclose his income and assets, even if the description of the offence was thereby fulfilled," the judge said in his judgement.
"In the court's view, there is nothing in the evidence that supports such a hypothesis."
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Just seen it's already on another thread, can this be deleted?
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Always amazes me that rich people like this do not have decent accountants to address all this shit
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Always amazes me that rich people like this do not have decent accountants to address all this shit
If you believe some on here, that's an oxymoron. ;)
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His fine of £45k must be equivalent to about 3 glasses of beer in Norway?
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From banging them in..... to being banged up.
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It is the nordic system, that if you spend more than 50% of the year in the country, you need to pay taxes there, no matter what your residence is. Seems like just negligence - not "counting" how much time he has spent in Norway.
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If it had been UK tax he might have been able to pull a few strings with HMRC.
You do know it changed recently ?
From HMRC to HMRC.
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It is the nordic system, that if you spend more than 50% of the year in the country, you need to pay taxes there, no matter what your residence is. Seems like just negligence - not "counting" how much time he has spent in Norway.
Seems brutal to be looking at a custodial.
Particularly as he hasn't deliberately tried to mislead the authorities.
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Can't be proven he tried.
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If it had been UK tax he might have been able to pull a few strings with HMRC.
You do know it changed recently ?
From HMRC to HMRC.
And neither of them answer their fecking phone
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It is the nordic system, that if you spend more than 50% of the year in the country, you need to pay taxes there, no matter what your residence is. Seems like just negligence - not "counting" how much time he has spent in Norway.
Seems brutal to be looking at a custodial.
Particularly as he hasn't deliberately tried to mislead the authorities.
A case of ignorantia juris non excusat.
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I wish there was a custodial for anyone who goes above a threshold for non-payment, rising by amount. It might make a few of them think twice.
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Always amazes me that rich people like this do not have decent accountants to address all this shit
If you believe some on here, that's an oxymoron. ;)
:)
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Silly John!
Just get American citizenship, declare yourself to be a corporation and so pay minimal tax.
Job's a good 'un!
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Silly John!
Just get American citizenship, declare yourself to be a corporation and so pay minimal tax.
Job's a good 'un!
I can tell you from experience, it really is not that simple.
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Silly John!
Just get American citizenship, declare yourself to be a corporation and so pay minimal tax.
Job's a good 'un!
I can tell you from experience, it really is not that simple.
Seconded !
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Silly John!
Just get American citizenship, declare yourself to be a corporation and so pay minimal tax.
Job's a good 'un!
I can tell you from experience, it really is not that simple.
Seconded !
Its a common misconception that the US is a low tax country.
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It depends where in the US you're based.
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It depends where in the US you're based.
Not really.Federal Tax is the same everywhere.
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It depends where in the US you're based.
Not really.Federal Tax is the same everywhere.
Yes I know, 21% which compared to most countries is low. Each state then adds on their own percentage, which I think vary between something like 2% and 12%. Something like that, I don't do much US work.
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Delaware always used to the be the 'low-tax' state but I think that's changing now. For a while a huge amount of the 'tech bro' companies were based there.
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Delaware always used to the be the 'low-tax' state but I think that's changing now. For a while a huge amount of the 'tech bro' companies were based there.
It'll probably always be the corporation capital of the US. Ongoing lack of transparency being the main reason, but it's also got the infrastructure.
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Don't these footballers with all this money have accountants to do there tax returns.
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Delaware always used to the be the 'low-tax' state but I think that's changing now. For a while a huge amount of the 'tech bro' companies were based there.
It'll probably always be the corporation capital of the US. Ongoing lack of transparency being the main reason, but it's also got the infrastructure.
Yes, indeed, I mean the low tax part is changing, it's about 10th lowest state now I think.
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Delaware always used to the be the 'low-tax' state but I think that's changing now. For a while a huge amount of the 'tech bro' companies were based there.
It'll probably always be the corporation capital of the US. Ongoing lack of transparency being the main reason, but it's also got the infrastructure.
Which, I believe, was also one of the reasons Fight Club (the book) was set there.
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Don't these footballers with all this money have accountants to do there tax returns.
Carew's problem isn't really about paying tax but rather about residency. There are very strict rules on tax in Norway whereby if you spend more than a certain numbers of days in the country you have to pay tax as a resident, him, or someone working for him, miscaculated the number of days so incorrectly believed he didn't need to pay tax.
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Don't these footballers with all this money have accountants to do there tax returns.
Carew's problem isn't really about paying tax but rather about residency. There are very strict rules on tax in Norway whereby if you spend more than a certain numbers of days in the country you have to pay tax as a resident, him, or someone working for him, miscaculated the number of days so incorrectly believed he didn't need to pay tax.
It seems ridiculously extreme to send him to prison for what seems like a case of negligence rather than a concerted effort at lillegal evasion. I'm not saying the UK system is perfect, but over here it goes something like:
Do your best to illegally hide your income and assets and don't fess up when found out - criminal charges and possible prison
As above, but hold your hands up and pay up when told to do so - pay the tax, plus big penalty (sometimes 2 x the tax evaded) plus interest. Probably no prison.
Use of a clever avoidance scheme found not to work at a tribunal - penalties and interest, HMRC publishing your name and them watching your every step for the rest of your days
Careless mistake/negligence - depending on the severity, maybe penalties, maybe not, but definitely interest on the tax outstanding.
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Don't these footballers with all this money have accountants to do there tax returns.
Carew's problem isn't really about paying tax but rather about residency. There are very strict rules on tax in Norway whereby if you spend more than a certain numbers of days in the country you have to pay tax as a resident, him, or someone working for him, miscaculated the number of days so incorrectly believed he didn't need to pay tax.
It seems ridiculously extreme to send him to prison for what seems like a case of negligence rather than a concerted effort at lillegal evasion. I'm not saying the UK system is perfect, but over here it goes something like:
Do your best to illegally hide your income and assets and don't fess up when found out - criminal charges and possible prison
As above, but hold your hands up and pay up when told to do so - pay the tax, plus big penalty (sometimes 2 x the tax evaded) plus interest. Probably no prison.
Use of a clever avoidance scheme found not to work at a tribunal - penalties and interest, HMRC publishing your name and them watching your every step for the rest of your days
Careless mistake/negligence - depending on the severity, maybe penalties, maybe not, but definitely interest on the tax outstanding.
https://www.euronews.com/2022/11/16/john-carew-ex-footballer-given-jail-term-for-tax-fraud-in-norway
So about as I said but not as simple as miscounting one year.
Where it gets messy is that Norway have a wealth tax so a prolonged perriod of misreporting on residency adds up to a major bill when you have his sort of money. I agree though it does seem a bit excessive. I find myself wondering if him and his team went out of their way to avoid doing the bold bit which made the problems a lot bigger than it could've been.
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Yes, without knowing the detail it's hard to know the full story. Again though, over here it's not the amount that's as important, as the intention.
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Yes I know, 21% which compared to most countries is low. Each state then adds on their own percentage, which I think vary between something like 2% and 12%. Something like that, I don't do much US work.
For my CT LLC I pay 15% for Medicare and Soc Sec before even entertaining Federal and State Income taxes. Then add Business entity tax / Annual reports, etc...
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all that money and no-one to hide it, move it, launder it, whatever these rich people usually do to not declare it - you'd think he'd have more brains than that.
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all that money and no-one to hide it, move it, launder it, whatever these rich people usually do to not declare it - you'd think he'd have more brains than that.
Again this isn't really about tax avoidance (in any form), it's about a misunderstanding of Norwegian residency laws. The money/tax aspect is secondary, which is why the case found him guilty of negligence rather than fraud. The complicated part is how that translates into a fairly significant prison stretch, I haven't found anything to explain why he was given such a heavy punishment.
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all that money and no-one to hide it, move it, launder it, whatever these rich people usually do to not declare it - you'd think he'd have more brains than that.
Again this isn't really about tax avoidance (in any form), it's about a misunderstanding of Norwegian residency laws. The money/tax aspect is secondary, which is why the case found him guilty of negligence rather than fraud. The complicated part is how that translates into a fairly significant prison stretch, I haven't found anything to explain why he was given such a heavy punishment.
1. They probably did not believe he did not know the residency laws.
2. He maybe did not co-operate when he was found out.
Thats how it is with the IRS and HMRC.
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all that money and no-one to hide it, move it, launder it, whatever these rich people usually do to not declare it - you'd think he'd have more brains than that.
Again this isn't really about tax avoidance (in any form), it's about a misunderstanding of Norwegian residency laws. The money/tax aspect is secondary, which is why the case found him guilty of negligence rather than fraud. The complicated part is how that translates into a fairly significant prison stretch, I haven't found anything to explain why he was given such a heavy punishment.
1. They probably did not believe he did not know the residency laws.
2. He maybe did not co-operate when he was found out.
Thats how it is with the IRS and HMRC.
The judgement suggests they do believe it was in error so I'm not sure about 1. Point 2 seems pretty clearly the problem.
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They (prosecutor) didn't believe he didn't know - this is due to prior warning in 2006 (or thereabouts) that he needed to be careful with the 183 days, so it wasn't something he had no idea bout. Also he hasn't missed by a few days, but has been 200+ days.
If done by intent, I think they said it could be up to 7 years in prison.
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My guess is that they couldn't prove intentionality, but could prove he'd done it.
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They (prosecutor) didn't believe he didn't know - this is due to prior warning in 2006 (or thereabouts) that he needed to be careful with the 183 days, so it wasn't something he had no idea bout. Also he hasn't missed by a few days, but has been 200+ days.
If done by intent, I think they said it could be up to 7 years in prison.
Ah, interesting, I didn't see that he'd been warned before.
My guess is that they couldn't prove intentionality, but could prove he'd done it.
That seems a fair guess.
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They (prosecutor) didn't believe he didn't know - this is due to prior warning in 2006 (or thereabouts) that he needed to be careful with the 183 days, so it wasn't something he had no idea bout. Also he hasn't missed by a few days, but has been 200+ days.
If done by intent, I think they said it could be up to 7 years in prison.
Ah, interesting, I didn't see that he'd been warned before.
My guess is that they couldn't prove intentionality, but could prove he'd done it.
That seems a fair guess.
yes.