Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2011, 10:22:41 AM
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Sat Aug 13 Fulham A
Sat Aug 20 Blackburn Rovers H
Wed Aug 24 Carling Cup 2
Sat Aug 27 Wolverhampton Wanderers H
Sat Sep 10 Everton A
Sat Sep 17 Newcastle United H
Wed Sep 21 Carling Cup 3
Sat Sep 24 Queens Park Rangers A
Sat Oct 1 Wigan Athletic H
Sat Oct 15 Manchester City A
Sat Oct 22 West Bromwich Albion H
Wed Oct 26 Carling Cup 4
Sat Oct 29 Sunderland A
Sat Nov 5 Norwich City H
Sat Nov 12 F.A. Cup 1
Sat Nov 19 Tottenham Hotspur A
Sat Nov 26 Swansea City A
Wed Nov 30 Carling Cup 5
Sat Dec 3 Manchester United H F.A. Cup 2
Sat Dec 10 Bolton Wanderers A
Sat Dec 17 Liverpool H
Wed Dec 21 Arsenal H
Mon Dec 26 Stoke City A
Sat Dec 31 Chelsea A
Mon Jan 2 Swansea City H
Sat Jan 7 F.A. Cup 3
Wed Jan 11 Carling Cup Semi-Final (1)
Sat Jan 14 Everton H
Sat Jan 21 Wolverhampton Wanderers A
Wed Jan 25 Carling Cup Semi-Final (2)
Sat Jan 28 F.A. Cup 4
Wed Feb 1 Queens Park Rangers H
Sat Feb 4 Newcastle United A
Sat Feb 11 Manchester City H
Sat Feb 18 F.A. Cup 5
Sat Feb 25 Wigan Athletic A
Sun Feb 26 Carling Cup Final
Sat Mar 3 Blackburn Rovers A
Sat Mar 10 Fulham H
Sat Mar 17 Bolton Wanderers H F.A. Cup 6
Sat Mar 24 Arsenal A
Sat Mar 31 Chelsea H
Sat Apr 7 Liverpool A
Mon Apr 9 Stoke City H
Sat Apr 14 Manchester United A F.A. Cup Semi-Final
Sat Apr 21 Sunderland H
Sat Apr 28 West Bromwich Albion A
Sat May 5 Tottenham Hotspur H F.A. Cup Final
Sun May 13 Norwich City A
Reproduced with permission from Football League Dataco Ltd.
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Does anyone know when Sky choose their matches? I think they publish August and September, and possibily October, at the same time, don't they?
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we havent really got the big teams to later on in the year , hopefully get a few points in the bag early ..
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On paper it's a good start for us just hope we can get the points on board to give us a good start to the season.
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FA Cup final before the end of the season again ? Tut Tut.
Not that we have to worry !!
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Gutted that I'm on holiday on the 13th August. Fulham is my favourite away ground.
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How Aston Villa, Chelsea and Man City have the easy Premier League starts for 2011-12
By Brian Sears
20 June 2011
The 2011-12 Premier League season kicks off on 13 August and in the seven rounds of games up to the first international break, Aston Villa have the easiest start, followed by Chelsea and Manchester City, according to the combined strength (or lack of strength) of their opponents. By ’strength’, sportingintelligence’s analysis uses last season’s finishing positions to judge that.
The full breakdown is in the table below but to calculate the ease or difficulty of starts, sportingintelligence assigned each club a number based on last season’s finishing position. Hence Manchester United are 1, Chelsea 2, Manchester City 3 and so on down to Wolves being 17 – as the 17th club who survived last season and take their place for 2011-12.
QPR are 18, for being top of the Championship, Norwich 19 for being second in the Championship and Swansea 20 for making it up to the Premier League via the play-offs.
We’ve simply added up the total ‘ranking’ figures that each club will face in their first seven matches to get a ‘cushy rating’.
The theoretical maximum cushy rating would be 119, if a club played the ‘easiest’ seven teams in the first seven games. The minimum cushy total would be 28, if a team faced the ‘hardest’ seven.
Villa’s cushy ranking is a whopping 93, followed by Chelsea on 88, then City and Fulham on 85.
The smaller the number, the tougher the start. Bolton (53) have the hardest start, followed by Tottenham (54), and Swansea (59).
Villa’s average opponents in the crucial morale-boosting or morale-sapping opening phase had an average position last season just below 13th, while Bolton’s opponents had an average position not far off the European qualification places.
Villa, under Alex McLeish, will not a meet a side who finished in the top six last season in their first seven games.
Bolton will face the top four as well as sixth-placed Liverpool inside their first seven matches.
Of the promoted clubs Swansea and Norwich have ‘tough’ starts with QPR being let off lightly. Neil Warnock’s men will not meet a top six side in any of the first seven games.
In contrast Swansea’s tough start includes visits to Manchester City, Arsenal and Chelsea before the end of September.
A quirk of the fixture list is that Wigan face all three promoted clubs in their first the games of the season.
It goes without saying that these things will even themselves out, because every club plays every other at some stage of the season, home and away.
But a good or bad start can set the tone for a campaign. And if the table after seven matches has Villa, Chelsea and City riding high, it might not be solely because they’re performing wonderfully, rather they’ve had the relatively easier starts.
The fixture computer has thrown up all kinds of other quirks later in the season. Manchester City’s inaugural Champions League campaign, for example, will feature six group-stage matches where every single one of them is followed by an away game in the Premier League.
The six group-stage midweek dates are 13-14 Sep, 27-28 Sep, 18-19 Oct, 1-2 Nov, 22-23 Nov, 6-7 Dec – and City then go on the road domestically after each, which perhaps doesn’t augur well. Whereas Manchester United’s six Champions League games in the group stages will each be followed by a home Premier League match.
On the flip side, United’s European matches will each be preceded by an away Premier League match.
Swings and roundabouts? Or outrageous fortune? You decide.
http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2011/06/20/analysis-why-aston-villa-chelsea-and-manchester-city-have-the-easiest-premier-league-starts-for-2011-12-20601/
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December and March-April look like cnuts of months.
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Sat Dec 3 Manchester United H F.A. Cup 2
Are they figuring we'll just draw Man U like we always do, so they're just putting it on the schedule ahead of time?
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Sat Dec 3 Manchester United H F.A. Cup 2
Are they figuring we'll just draw Man U like we always do, so they're just putting it on the schedule ahead of time?
Were not in the cup untill round 3.
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I am pretty sure he was taking the piss.
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When we play Fulham they could've already played 6 competitive games already this season. That is fucking crazy. (Please note - the fixture will not be effected by the Europe League as there is no fixture on the Thursday before).
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That's good - they'll be f*cked and we can register our first glorious AM win!!
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That's good - they'll be f*cked and we can register our first glorious AM win!!
They won't be fucked they'll be in much better physical shape than us... then be burned out by about February.
Remember under John Gregory when we used to enter the InterToto? We'd always be top of the league in October then mid-table by March. A shit time to play them I reckon.
Still, at least it might be sunny for me to have my photo taken with Michael.
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Well, we always looked burnt out after a couple of early Europa Cup games - Rapid Vienna??
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That wasn't burnt out... that was a case of our fringe players just not being good enough... especially Curtis Davies.
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first game against fulham -draw
hei can i do a betting thread when season starts
on each villa game that would be ace.
I see people give predictions and scores so we can say what odds are for these.
UTV
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first game against fulham -draw
hei can i do a betting thread when season starts
on each villa game that would be ace.
I see people give predictions and scores so we can say what odds are for these.
UTV
We have a specific site for this at http://www.heroespredictions.co.uk
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Also, if you check out the Match Threads and Player Ratings section of H&V you will find all of the archived Pre-Match, Match and Post-Match threads from last season. Why do you only post 'betting tips'?
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first game against fulham -draw
hei can i do a betting thread when season starts
on each villa game that would be ace.
I see people give predictions and scores so we can say what odds are for these.
UTV
We have a specific site for this at http://www.heroespredictions.co.uk
ty for theinfo am new to this bear with
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Anybody know when Sky are going to be gracious enough to tell us when we will be able to watch our team play? (and I don't necessarily mean on TV)
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Anybody know when Sky are going to be gracious enough to tell us when we will be able to watch our team play? (and I don't necessarily mean on TV)
Probably when they have finished their wankfest over 'the Big4'.
Listening to a bit of TalkDross this week as 5live have wall-to-wall coverage of the tennis (which I can abide but only in bitesize pieces) and first tool to mention Liverpool being title contenders - step forward Micky Quinn
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I loved the response from one caller who asked for him to be tied to one of his horses in order to be dragged back into the real world.
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I loved the response from one caller who asked for him to be tied to one of his horses in order to be dragged back into the real world.
That was quality
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Any news on tickets for the Fulham game?
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Any news on tickets for the Fulham game?
I expect that ticket sales will be delayed because surely Sky are will base their opening weekend festivities around this game
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Its a perfect 3pm Saturday start to the season. Which means it will be at 8pm on the Monday.
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On sale Friday Fulham
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Apparently Sky will announce their live games either tomorrow or on Friday.
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2388238,00.html
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What other pre-season games are there betwen now and August 13th?
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Derby and Braga............
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What other pre-season games are there betwen now and August 13th?
On top of Derby & Braga, Tamworth are facing a Villa XI on Thursday 4th August.
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Sat Aug 13 Fulham A
Sat Aug 20 Blackburn Rovers H
Wed Aug 24 Carling Cup 2
Sat Aug 27 Wolverhampton Wanderers H
Sat Sep 10 Everton A
Sat Sep 17 Newcastle United H
Wed Sep 21 Carling Cup 3
Sat Sep 24 Queens Park Rangers A
Sat Oct 1 Wigan Athletic H
Sat Oct 15 Manchester City A
Sat Oct 22 West Bromwich Albion H
Wed Oct 26 Carling Cup 4
Sat Oct 29 Sunderland A
Sat Nov 5 Norwich City H
Sat Nov 12 F.A. Cup 1
Sat Nov 19 Tottenham Hotspur A
Sat Nov 26 Swansea City A
Wed Nov 30 Carling Cup 5
Sat Dec 3 Manchester United H F.A. Cup 2
Sat Dec 10 Bolton Wanderers A
Sat Dec 17 Liverpool H
Wed Dec 21 Arsenal H
Mon Dec 26 Stoke City A
Sat Dec 31 Chelsea A
Realistically, I predict DWWDDDDLWDWLDLDLLDL & 21 points by 2012. How about you?
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Not far off...21-24 points by January 1st 2012
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I reckon we'll have topped that 21 point sum before the Bonfire weekend is through...
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The fixture computer spewed out an interesting round robin for the first 3 fixtures.
Blackburn v Wolves
Fulham v Villa
Villa v Blackburn
Wolves v Fulham
Villa v Wolves
Fulham not playing Blackburn though so here the story ends
I remember a season when Blues or Albion always followed us around the country. Eg. If we played away at Boro then so would they the next week.
Been a slow day in the shop, sorry.
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I know we always play at home when Blues are away and vice versa... one year though we always seemed to play the opposite local rivals, so we'd be at home to Man U, they'd be at Man City, they'd host Arsenal, we'd be off to White Hart Lane. Don't know why they did it that way.
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I know we always play at home when Blues are away and vice versa... one year though we always seemed to play the opposite local rivals, so we'd be at home to Man U, they'd be at Man City, they'd host Arsenal, we'd be off to White Hart Lane. Don't know why they did it that way.
Its not just me that notices these things as well then.....anoraks ahoy.
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I know we always play at home when Blues are away and vice versa... one year though we always seemed to play the opposite local rivals, so we'd be at home to Man U, they'd be at Man City, they'd host Arsenal, we'd be off to White Hart Lane. Don't know why they did it that way.
Teams are 'paired' in the fixture computer. I'm not entirely sure how it works, but Southend United are paired with West Ham. So where one is in the country on particular weekend affects where the other is. The missus is going out tonight so I'll research this further if you like.
Its not just me that notices these things as well then.....anoraks ahoy.
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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere else, but our match at Eastlands has been moved back to Sat 3pm after being originally moved to Sun 1.30.
I assume this is due to their european commitments, but it has buggered up my weekend.
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When do you guys think I can be sure when the Villa - Man United game is safe from not being moved? is there some rule - when its to late to move?
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When do you guys think I can be sure when the Villa - Man United game is safe from not being moved? is there some rule - when its to late to move?
You need to wait until Sky and ESPN have chosen the games they wish to cover for December. This hasn't been done yet but should be soon. Looking at our December fixtures I would expect some changes for us.
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Man U are in Basel on Wednesday Dec 7th, so there's a good chance we'll be on the Saturday
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Man U are in Basel on Wednesday Dec 7th, so there's a good chance we'll be on the Saturday
Thanks Frank - i am hoping for saturday (hours not important, but sunday might make it less interesting)
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Christmas drinks?
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When do you guys think I can be sure when the Villa - Man United game is safe from not being moved? is there some rule - when its to late to move?
It's a 5.30 kick-off on the Saturday - live on espn.
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Thanks.
Well, Stu - that could be a good idea. :)
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Sat Aug 13 Fulham A
Sat Aug 20 Blackburn Rovers H
Wed Aug 24 Carling Cup 2
Sat Aug 27 Wolverhampton Wanderers Ho
Sat Sep 10 Everton A
Sat Sep 17 Newcastle United H
Wed Sep 21 Carling Cup 3
Sat Sep 24 Queens Park Rangers A
Sat Oct 1 Wigan Athletic H
Sat Oct 15 Manchester City A
Sat Oct 22 West Bromwich Albion H
Wed Oct 26 Carling Cup 4
Sat Oct 29 Sunderland A
Sat Nov 5 Norwich City H
Sat Nov 12 F.A. Cup 1
Sat Nov 19 Tottenham Hotspur A
Sat Nov 26 Swansea City A
Wed Nov 30 Carling Cup 5
Sat Dec 3 Manchester United H F.A. Cup 2
Sat Dec 10 Bolton Wanderers A
Sat Dec 17 Liverpool H
Wed Dec 21 Arsenal H
Mon Dec 26 Stoke City A
Sat Dec 31 Chelsea A
Realistically, I predict DWWDDDDLWDWLDLDLLDL & 21 points by 2012. How about you?
Pretty good so far, only QPR wrong
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Fixture schedule changes due to TV coverage over Xmas period - Man Utd Sat 3 Dec - 5.30pm (ESPN), Liverpool Sun 18 Dec - 2.05pm (Sky), Stoke (away) Boxing Day - 8pm (Sky)
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Has there been a Christmas in the last ten years when we haven't had at least one game messed around with?
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The Manure game has really messed me up was supposed to be driving up to Preston directly after for a friends 40th
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Sat Aug 13 Fulham A
Sat Aug 20 Blackburn Rovers H
Wed Aug 24 Carling Cup 2
Sat Aug 27 Wolverhampton Wanderers Ho
Sat Sep 10 Everton A
Sat Sep 17 Newcastle United H
Wed Sep 21 Carling Cup 3
Sat Sep 24 Queens Park Rangers A
Sat Oct 1 Wigan Athletic H
Sat Oct 15 Manchester City A
Sat Oct 22 West Bromwich Albion H
Wed Oct 26 Carling Cup 4
Sat Oct 29 Sunderland A
Sat Nov 5 Norwich City H
Sat Nov 12 F.A. Cup 1
Sat Nov 19 Tottenham Hotspur A
Sat Nov 26 Swansea City A
Wed Nov 30 Carling Cup 5
Sat Dec 3 Manchester United H F.A. Cup 2
Sat Dec 10 Bolton Wanderers A
Sat Dec 17 Liverpool H
Wed Dec 21 Arsenal H
Mon Dec 26 Stoke City A
Sat Dec 31 Chelsea A
Realistically, I predict DWWDDDDLWDWLDLDLLDL & 21 points by 2012. How about you?
Pretty good so far, only QPR wrong
Thanks, but actually I had Wolves as a win and Wigan as a draw and they reversed. QPR was correctly forecast as a draw. Obv, it would have been great to get that wrong and to have avoided Dunne's late o.g. (The cup games may be confusing, as I was only predicting FAPL.)
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4 in 5 consecutive fixtures will now be on TV: Spurs, Swans, Mancs & Scousers. Bolton away misses entertaining (?!) a nationwide audience.
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I was wondering why the Arsenal game hadn't been moved, then realised it was a midweek game anyway!
Man. United and Liverpool is to be expected really, the bigger shock will be if we ever play both at 3pm again on a saturday!
Normally go to Stoke but not at 8pm again especially on boxing day when public transport is non existant.
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I really think they look at the ticket prices for the December games. 3 AA category fixtures just before Christmas is a real killer and now 2 of them are on the box as well.
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I was wondering why the Arsenal game hadn't been moved, then realised it was a midweek game anyway!
Man. United and Liverpool is to be expected really, the bigger shock will be if we ever play both at 3pm again on a saturday!
Normally go to Stoke but not at 8pm again especially on boxing day when public transport is non existant.
Going to be horrendous on the M6!
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I was wondering why the Arsenal game hadn't been moved, then realised it was a midweek game anyway!
Man. United and Liverpool is to be expected really, the bigger shock will be if we ever play both at 3pm again on a saturday!
Normally go to Stoke but not at 8pm again especially on boxing day when public transport is non existant.
Absolutely. It is hard to believe that we will send much away support. Even the most loyal fans will shudder at the thought of getting home after 11.00 on one of the best days of the year for food and drink. Better to stay at home with cold cuts, booze, family + central heating and watch it on the telly.
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I was wondering why the Arsenal game hadn't been moved, then realised it was a midweek game anyway!
Man. United and Liverpool is to be expected really, the bigger shock will be if we ever play both at 3pm again on a saturday!
Normally go to Stoke but not at 8pm again especially on boxing day when public transport is non existant.
Absolutely. It is hard to believe that we will send much away support. Even the most loyal fans will shudder at the thought of getting home after 11.00 on one of the best days of the year for food and drink. Better to stay at home with cold cuts, booze, family + central heating and watch it on the telly.
There'll be better things on the box than Stoke v Villa on Boxing Day evening!
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We always seem to be live on TV on Boxing Day, it's always my favourite day what with the King George as well.
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We always seem to be live on TV on Boxing Day, it's always my favourite day what with the King George as well.
Great pub