Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Bottom Right 89 on June 18, 2011, 09:31:42 AM
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We're keeping the party going - if like me you're suffering from withdrawal symptons now the race to the Villa dugout is over, this is the next best thing - the New Assistant Manager Poll!
IMO has to be a Villa man (Gary Mac excepted) to mellow some of the anti brigade.
I've ignored his usual henchman Peter Grant and Roy Aitken as this would just fuel the fire.
Dubs for me - his enthusiasm and motivational skills are just what we need in there.
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Paul Tait or Robert Hopkins for me.
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Whoever he wants to be honest, the damage is done. I dont want him to have any excuses.
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Ray "stay on your feet" Wilkins
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Jose Mourinho.
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Barry Ferguson player/coach maybe.
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Roy Aitken would certainly light a few fires after his association at VP with DOL.
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Paul Tait or Robert Hopkins for me.
Can you imagine? Thankyou for calling Aston Villa ticket sales, all our operators are busy battering back fans from the door, please try again much later or alternatively hold for season tickets return details. >:(
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Roy Aitken is back with DOL coaching in Timbucktoo or some similar footballing outpost.
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Whoever he wants and thinks is the man for the job to bring success!
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Glenn Roeder.
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Whoever he wants and thinks is the man for the job to bring success!
Agree completely and this will be why most people vote for 'other' option.
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Whoever he wants and thinks is the man for the job to bring success!
Agreed.
Unless we can get Messi as player-assistant manager.
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McLeish has to be allowed to pick his own assistant.
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Maybe someone with more attacking sensibilities to balance Mcleish's defensive mindset?
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this is easy, just think of the person you would hate the most to be at the club then the board will appoint this man.... Robbie Savage
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this is easy, just think of the person you would hate the most to be at the club then the board will appoint this man.... Robbie Savage
That's not funny.
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this is easy, just think of the person you would hate the most to be at the club then the board will appoint this man.... Robbie Savage
That's not funny.
After the week we have had would this surprise you
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Martin, Martin Laursen.
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who ever he wants
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this is easy, just think of the person you would hate the most to be at the club then the board will appoint this man.... Robbie Savage
That's not funny.
After the week we have had would this surprise you
and Dion Dublin as first team coach
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Chris Houghton
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Who he wants.
I hope we have a got eclectic coaching staff. Maybe a role for Sid and a man with a lot of respect from the players in Kevin Mac.
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Paul McCartney
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Sid Cowans or Butch Wilkins no way robert Hopkins he's a true bue nose one is enough
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Ray Wilkins
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Aye, Wilkins would be great. Shame Steve Clarke is in work up in scouseland.
Someone with a bit of knowledge and flair, and a good forwards coach are my other 2 wishes.
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Peter Grant, I think they always work together
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Peter grant or roy aitken, both have been with eck before and know how he works- a manager must always choose his own staff- no room for sentiment.
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Whoever McLeish wants. No point giving him the job and then not allowing him to do it his way.
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Someone who will organise our backbone and defence and carry on GH's template to play attacking 4-3-3 formation.
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Ancelotti.
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Whoever he reckons will best fulfil the role. Ultimately the buck stops with McCleish, so he has to have the person who he wants.
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It's up to McLeish. That said if he picks any of those listed in the poll I'd question his sanity.
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Spinker
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Abramovich
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Yoda, with the Jedi Council as coaches. I'd like to see anyone fuck with us after that.
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Paul Tait - to take the flack away from Mcliesh and Lerner
Fat Baz - Dual role of Dunne's pie minder, and making the stadium look more full on match days
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Paul Tait - to take the flack away from Mcliesh and Lerner
Fat Baz - Dual role of Dunne's pie minder, and making the stadium look more full on match days
how would you know what the stadium really looks like on match day? You can only see bits of it on television, and it's even worse from your little monitor watching on the internet.
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oooh! says the guy in er Toronto
*grabs handbag*
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oooh! says the guy in er Toronto
*grabs handbag*
Inevitable response. Here's where you get to look even more foolish. Seeing as I come home 3 or 4 times a year, I plan it around Villa first team and reserve games. I will put money on the fact that I get to see more games live than you every season greg despite living thousands of miles away.
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see i never understand people who move as far away from their club as possible and then seem to want a medal for coming back a few times a year. Don't move to another continent - problem solved and shows a bit more commitment i think.
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see i never understand people who move as far away from their club as possible and then seem to want a medal for coming back a few times a year. Don't move to another continent - problem solved and shows a bit more commitment i think.
life takes you in different directions greg. It's no more difficult a concept to understand than that. I don't want a medal for attending games, but maybe we should offer you one if you were to go down yourself. My living where I do has zero to do with my commitment to Villa. What's your commitment to the club other than being a constant cynic and skeptic?
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Well I've never really understood anyone who would put supporting a football club above family and work when deciding where to live.
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i've done my time during the 80's and 90's when the football was for the most part meh so i reckon i've probably still got a few games on you. Fact is i have been down since my self-imposed exile, but i'm still not convinced things are going to be any different from the ellis years especially after the last week, and you may have appointed yourself Chief Cheerleader of the new Mcliesh era but i will continue to view things in a cynical manner as any fan with common sense would. All i will say about your geographical location is i would never move that far from a club and still support it. You end up like those embarrassing ex-pats who spend their whole time ordering marmite on the internet because they can't stand the "locals food"
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Hoddle.
You watch the young players develop then.
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I thought the general approach on here was that supporters who don't go to games weren't to be considered "not proper supporters", so it is probably best to stick to that.
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hey, he decided to play the "i'm a much better Villa fan than youuuuw" card and pick a fight. Bottom line is people make thier own choices and no-one has any right to question them.
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It's all about opinions greg and I agree with toronto's opinion on how best to support a club. It's my opinion also that toronto is a much better fan than yowww. But it's only my opinion.
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see i never understand people who move as far away from their club as possible and then seem to want a medal for coming back a few times a year. Don't move to another continent - problem solved and shows a bit more commitment i think.
Is it already the anniversary? You wheel that old chestnut out once a year Greg, time flies. I've forgotten, do you bother going any longer?
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i've done my time during the 80's and 90's when the football was for the most part meh so i reckon i've probably still got a few games on you. Fact is i have been down since my self-imposed exile, but i'm still not convinced things are going to be any different from the ellis years especially after the last week, and you may have appointed yourself Chief Cheerleader of the new Mcliesh era but i will continue to view things in a cynical manner as any fan with common sense would. All i will say about your geographical location is i would never move that far from a club and still support it. You end up like those embarrassing ex-pats who spend their whole time ordering marmite on the internet because they can't stand the "locals food"
you're knowledge of the world is really restricted to your mum's front room isn't it? Let's look at a few of the laughable things you've said above in isolation:
1) "Fact is i have been down since my self-imposed exile" - you make yourself self out to be some sort of political protester against an oppressive government. How exactly do you go down if you're under the circumstances of your own "exile". Surely if you have gone down even once then then exile has ended.
2) "Chief Cheerleader of the new Mcliesh era" - Tray and find even one post of mine that suggests I have supported the appointment let alone been a cheerleader for it. I won't deny saying that we need to get behind him and give him a chance. You really live in a fairy land of make belief don't you?
3) "i will continue to view things in a cynical manner as any fan with common sense would" - that maybe the funniest thing I have ever seen on here. Did you really say that about yourself?
4) "i would never move that far from a club and still support it." - Another piece of evidence to show clearly how you don't understand being a fan, and it clearly says a lot about your commitment that moving away would see you end that relationship with your club. If anything, it has made my interest in the club even stronger.
5) "You end up like those embarrassing ex-pats who spend their whole time ordering marmite on the internet because they can't stand the "locals food"" - I know a lot of ex-pats. They have all integrated themselves into living in Canada, and previously in the US when I used to live there. Is your definition of an ex-pat taken from watching TV sit-coms when they go abroad for a holiday or something? I love living here, but I've not forgotten my roots. I can say that with confidence about every ex-pat I've ever met. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about yet again.
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It's all about opinions greg and I agree with toronto's opinion on how best to support a club. It's my opinion also that toronto is a much better fan than yowww. But it's only my opinion.
fair enough. maybe there should be some scale based on how much you spend or have spent in the past or the distance traveled in airmiles and we can have an annual "biggest villa fan evoh" award
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i've done my time during the 80's and 90's when the football was for the most part meh so i reckon i've probably still got a few games on you. Fact is i have been down since my self-imposed exile, but i'm still not convinced things are going to be any different from the ellis years especially after the last week, and you may have appointed yourself Chief Cheerleader of the new Mcliesh era but i will continue to view things in a cynical manner as any fan with common sense would. All i will say about your geographical location is i would never move that far from a club and still support it. You end up like those embarrassing ex-pats who spend their whole time ordering marmite on the internet because they can't stand the "locals food"
you're knowledge of the world is really restricted to your mum's front room isn't it? Let's look at a few of the laughable things you've said above in isolation:
1) "Fact is i have been down since my self-imposed exile" - you make yourself self out to be some sort of political protester against an oppressive government. How exactly do you go down if you're under the circumstances of your own "exile". Surely if you have gone down even once then then exile has ended.
2) "Chief Cheerleader of the new Mcliesh era" - Tray and find even one post of mine that suggests I have supported the appointment let alone been a cheerleader for it. I won't deny saying that we need to get behind him and give him a chance. You really live in a fairy land of make belief don't you?
3) "i will continue to view things in a cynical manner as any fan with common sense would" - that maybe the funniest thing I have ever seen on here. Did you really say that about yourself?
4) "i would never move that far from a club and still support it." - Another piece of evidence to show clearly how you don't understand being a fan, and it clearly says a lot about your commitment that moving away would see you end that relationship with your club. If anything, it has made my interest in the club even stronger.
5) "You end up like those embarrassing ex-pats who spend their whole time ordering marmite on the internet because they can't stand the "locals food"" - I know a lot of ex-pats. They have all integrated themselves into living in Canada, and previously in the US when I used to live there. Is your definition of an ex-pat taken from watching TV sit-coms when they go abroad for a holiday or something? I love living here, but I've not forgotten my roots. I can say that with confidence about every ex-pat I've ever met. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about yet again.
Know quite a few ex-pats actually and i disagree, but i'll leave it there as i've obviously touched a nerve and there seems little point in continuing this on a thread about the next assistance manager.
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Well I've never really understood anyone who would put supporting a football club above family and work when deciding where to live.
Well I've never really understood anyone who'd put deciding where to live above living near their friends and family and beloved Aston Villa; each to his own though.
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Greg did you go down to Villa Park last Wednesday evening?
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Nah. Each to their own but I thought it was a bit pointless protesting about something that was going to happen come what may. TBH it's probably made Lerner dig his heels in even more because if it goes tits-up as expected he's going to look a right idiot.
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Martin Laursen
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Well I've never really understood anyone who would put supporting a football club above family and work when deciding where to live.
Well I've never really understood anyone who'd put deciding where to live above living near their friends and family and beloved Aston Villa; each to his own though.
I'd say that anyone turning down the chance to improve their lives by moving somewhere because "it's not near enough to Villa Park" wants to seriously consider their priorities.
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i've done my time during the 80's and 90's when the football was for the most part meh so i reckon i've probably still got a few games on you. Fact is i have been down since my self-imposed exile, but i'm still not convinced things are going to be any different from the ellis years especially after the last week, and you may have appointed yourself Chief Cheerleader of the new Mcliesh era but i will continue to view things in a cynical manner as any fan with common sense would. All i will say about your geographical location is i would never move that far from a club and still support it. You end up like those embarrassing ex-pats who spend their whole time ordering marmite on the internet because they can't stand the "locals food"
you're knowledge of the world is really restricted to your mum's front room isn't it? Let's look at a few of the laughable things you've said above in isolation:
1) "Fact is i have been down since my self-imposed exile" - you make yourself self out to be some sort of political protester against an oppressive government. How exactly do you go down if you're under the circumstances of your own "exile". Surely if you have gone down even once then then exile has ended.
2) "Chief Cheerleader of the new Mcliesh era" - Tray and find even one post of mine that suggests I have supported the appointment let alone been a cheerleader for it. I won't deny saying that we need to get behind him and give him a chance. You really live in a fairy land of make belief don't you?
3) "i will continue to view things in a cynical manner as any fan with common sense would" - that maybe the funniest thing I have ever seen on here. Did you really say that about yourself?
4) "i would never move that far from a club and still support it." - Another piece of evidence to show clearly how you don't understand being a fan, and it clearly says a lot about your commitment that moving away would see you end that relationship with your club. If anything, it has made my interest in the club even stronger.
5) "You end up like those embarrassing ex-pats who spend their whole time ordering marmite on the internet because they can't stand the "locals food"" - I know a lot of ex-pats. They have all integrated themselves into living in Canada, and previously in the US when I used to live there. Is your definition of an ex-pat taken from watching TV sit-coms when they go abroad for a holiday or something? I love living here, but I've not forgotten my roots. I can say that with confidence about every ex-pat I've ever met. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about yet again.
Know quite a few ex-pats actually and i disagree, but i'll leave it there as i've obviously touched a nerve and there seems little point in continuing this on a thread about the next assistance manager.
no, you haven't touched a nerve. I'm just pointing out that you're talking utter bollocks.
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no, you haven't touched a nerve. I'm just pointing out that you're talking utter bollocks.
Nashollocks. Look it up in the Scrabble dictionary.
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i've done my time during the 80's and 90's when the football was for the most part meh so i reckon i've probably still got a few games on you. Fact is i have been down since my self-imposed exile, but i'm still not convinced things are going to be any different from the ellis years especially after the last week, and you may have appointed yourself Chief Cheerleader of the new Mcliesh era but i will continue to view things in a cynical manner as any fan with common sense would. All i will say about your geographical location is i would never move that far from a club and still support it. You end up like those embarrassing ex-pats who spend their whole time ordering marmite on the internet because they can't stand the "locals food"
you're knowledge of the world is really restricted to your mum's front room isn't it? Let's look at a few of the laughable things you've said above in isolation:
1) "Fact is i have been down since my self-imposed exile" - you make yourself self out to be some sort of political protester against an oppressive government. How exactly do you go down if you're under the circumstances of your own "exile". Surely if you have gone down even once then then exile has ended.
2) "Chief Cheerleader of the new Mcliesh era" - Tray and find even one post of mine that suggests I have supported the appointment let alone been a cheerleader for it. I won't deny saying that we need to get behind him and give him a chance. You really live in a fairy land of make belief don't you?
3) "i will continue to view things in a cynical manner as any fan with common sense would" - that maybe the funniest thing I have ever seen on here. Did you really say that about yourself?
4) "i would never move that far from a club and still support it." - Another piece of evidence to show clearly how you don't understand being a fan, and it clearly says a lot about your commitment that moving away would see you end that relationship with your club. If anything, it has made my interest in the club even stronger.
5) "You end up like those embarrassing ex-pats who spend their whole time ordering marmite on the internet because they can't stand the "locals food"" - I know a lot of ex-pats. They have all integrated themselves into living in Canada, and previously in the US when I used to live there. Is your definition of an ex-pat taken from watching TV sit-coms when they go abroad for a holiday or something? I love living here, but I've not forgotten my roots. I can say that with confidence about every ex-pat I've ever met. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about yet again.
Know quite a few ex-pats actually and i disagree, but i'll leave it there as i've obviously touched a nerve and there seems little point in continuing this on a thread about the next assistance manager.
no, you haven't touched a nerve. I'm just pointing out that you're talking utter bollocks.
And i was just pointing out the Hyprocisy of someone questioning another fans commitment when he freely admits Aston Villa is at the bottom of a long list of priorities including money, career, lifestyle etc. Nothing wrong with that, but you really shouldn't question other people's choices either. Obviously if you were forced to move to canada, your family are kept as hostages to ensure you remain there, and you only get to Villa park through your job as a drugsmule, then ignore the above as you have my respect and admiration as a top villa fan.
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yo Greg, when did your self-imposed exile start and when did it end?
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ended last season. started erm..2000
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So, anyway, who should be our assistant manager?
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Steve Clarke.
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So, anyway, who should be our assistant manager?
Greg.
Or Toronto.
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Ray Wilkins please but we won't get him. Wouldn't mind Clarke though as stated above. P
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Clarke is at Liverpool now.
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Marmaduke Hussey, Mao Tse Tung or Ethelred the Unready.
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Sid
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Robbie Savage and Big Dion for me
should get some banter going in the dressing room
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And i was just pointing out the Hyprocisy of someone questioning another fans commitment when he freely admits Aston Villa is at the bottom of a long list of priorities including money, career, lifestyle etc. Nothing wrong with that, but you really shouldn't question other people's choices either. Obviously if you were forced to move to canada, your family are kept as hostages to ensure you remain there, and you only get to Villa park through your job as a drugsmule, then ignore the above as you have my respect and admiration as a top villa fan.
I know that you are a wind up merchant and I tend to either ignore or skim read your internet dribblings when you are in one of your more irritating moods but I have to applaud you on reaching a new level of nash nonsense.
Spectacular load of bollocks. Well done, not sure you will ever top that. You've been well and truly owned toronto, take that, just imagine putting something other than a football team before trivial nonsense like improving your life or the wellfare of your family. Bet you feel quite the fool now. It's great that Greg now attends football matches again, somehow it makes everything seem worthwhile.
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Deano, Deano, Deano, Deano .......
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And i was just pointing out the Hyprocisy of someone questioning another fans commitment when he freely admits Aston Villa is at the bottom of a long list of priorities including money, career, lifestyle etc. Nothing wrong with that, but you really shouldn't question other people's choices either. Obviously if you were forced to move to canada, your family are kept as hostages to ensure you remain there, and you only get to Villa park through your job as a drugsmule, then ignore the above as you have my respect and admiration as a top villa fan.
I know that you are a wind up merchant and I tend to either ignore or skim read your internet dribblings when you are in one of your more irritating moods but I have to applaud you on reaching a new level of nash nonsense.
Spectacular load of bollocks. Well done, not sure you will ever top that. You've been well and truly owned toronto, take that, just imagine putting something other than a football team before trivial nonsense like improving your life or the wellfare of your family. Bet you feel quite the fool now. It's great that Greg now attends football matches again, somehow it makes everything seem worthwhile.
In all fairness he's made me see the light Chris. I will hand in my two weeks notice at work tomorrow at 8am, tell my wife and all of my friends that the church of Aston Villa has called me. That Father Nash wants me to follow him and that I should leave behind all that is sacred to me now so that I can watch Villa games from the comfort of Greg's bedroom at his mum's, and once in a while go to Villa Park with my shepherd as and when he decides to come out his self imposed exile.
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And i was just pointing out the Hyprocisy of someone questioning another fans commitment when he freely admits Aston Villa is at the bottom of a long list of priorities including money, career, lifestyle etc. Nothing wrong with that, but you really shouldn't question other people's choices either. Obviously if you were forced to move to canada, your family are kept as hostages to ensure you remain there, and you only get to Villa park through your job as a drugsmule, then ignore the above as you have my respect and admiration as a top villa fan.
I know that you are a wind up merchant and I tend to either ignore or skim read your internet dribblings when you are in one of your more irritating moods but I have to applaud you on reaching a new level of nash nonsense.
Spectacular load of bollocks. Well done, not sure you will ever top that. You've been well and truly owned toronto, take that, just imagine putting something other than a football team before trivial nonsense like improving your life or the wellfare of your family. Bet you feel quite the fool now. It's great that Greg now attends football matches again, somehow it makes everything seem worthwhile.
In all fairness he's made me see the light Chris. I will hand in my two weeks notice at work tomorrow at 8am, tell my wife and all of my friends that the church of Aston Villa has called me. That Father Nash wants me to follow him and that I should leave behind all that is sacred to me now so that I can watch Villa games from the comfort of Greg's bedroom at his mum's, and once in a while go to Villa Park with my shepherd as and when he decides to come out his self imposed exile.
I really don't know why you're getting so miffed toronto - you were the one doing the top villa fan big-bollocks bit on the strength of taking a few weeks out from your busy life to fly over here. I just pointed out you were no more committed than me and a lot less than many.
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I'm sure TV would be down there every week if he could Greg, as would I, no matter who the owners or manager are.
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I'm sure TV would be down there every week if he could Greg, as would I, no matter who the owners or manager are.
I'm sure. As i've said this is not having a go at overseas based fans just oversea's fans claiming they're some sort of superfan on the basis of how far they travel due to their own choices in life.
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I'm sure TV would be down there every week if he could Greg, as would I, no matter who the owners or manager are.
I'm sure. As i've said this is not having a go at overseas based fans just oversea's fans claiming they're some sort of superfan on the basis of how far they travel due to their own choices in life.
Which he's not doing.
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I'm sure TV would be down there every week if he could Greg, as would I, no matter who the owners or manager are.
I'm sure. As i've said this is not having a go at overseas based fans just oversea's fans claiming they're some sort of superfan on the basis of how far they travel due to their own choices in life.
Which he's not doing.
Really??
"Here's where you get to look even more foolish. Seeing as I come home 3 or 4 times a year, I plan it around Villa first team and reserve games. I will put money on the fact that I get to see more games live than you every season greg despite living thousands of miles away."
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Really.
Do you want to now quote your snide post that he was replying to to give the above quote a bit of context?
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really.
do you want to post his original snide post that started it all off eh Dave?
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For some reason I thought gregnash was an adult bloke, what with his tales of going to matches in the past but it seems they are a schoolgirl.
You are, no you are, no you are etc
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Sorry but is this the Chris Jameson who lives in hull?
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What I struggle to understand is why anyone on a 'self imposed exile' would spend so much time on a site dedicated to the object of his scorn? Surely there are better ways for him to spend his valuable time.
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True, but after leaving us for hull i guess he gets lonely.
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Sorry but is this the Chris Jameson who lives in hull?
Harrogate actually, easy mistake to make though if you're incredibly stupid.
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i'm sorry chirs. I can only apologise if you weren't erm.. the person who said he was buggering off to support Hull. My apolgies again.
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i'm sorry chirs. I can only apologise if you weren't erm.. the person who said he was buggering off to support Hull. My apolgies again.
Apology accepted Greg.
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True, but after leaving us for hull i guess he gets lonely.
How exactly is a Yorkshireman living in Yorkshire classed as 'leaving us'?
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Oh dear, I feel really guilty after reading gregnash's thoughts on what a true Villa fan is.
I missed the whole of last season because I got my priorities wrong and spent all my time helping with a family problem. When clearly I should have told them to bugger off because I've got a football team to support.
Anyway back on topic McLeish will decide for himself. But I'd love to see Ray Wilkins get the job.
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For all the grandstanding that goes on here about "OMG, I couldn't possibly live without Villa!!!" or "if i lived in the UK, I'd be there every day of the week, not just matchdays", the reality is that it is surprisingly easy to stop bothering when you've got other stuff to think about.
I wasted years of my life in the 80s and early 90s following Villa all over the place, then went and lived abroad for three years, so had little chance to watch us (pre web, pre satellite tv), then came back to the midlands and carried on not bothering at all for a few years longer. It was probably a hiatus of about 8 years or so when I got to about 3 matches at most.
Did it bother me at the time? No. Because I had other things to worry about / fill my time. That's life, it doesn't revolve around football. Does it make me any less of a fan? No, i don't think it does.
I don't like the "you're not allowed that opinion because you don't go very often" line because it is sneery and dismissive and there are probably lots of other people who could easily get to matches but don't bother, yet they don't seem to get the stick some posters do.
If you accept that's ok, then by the same stretch, next time you come back from the match to find someone on here who hasn't been to the match telling you what it is like - because they live in Timbuktu, or wherever, for whatever reason- you should feel comfortable in telling them their opinions don't count either, because they weren't there any more than the bloke who lives round the corner and spent the afternoon watching back to back repeats of Come Dine With Me.
By the same stretch, though, I also don't understand why anyone thinks anyone else should organise their whole life around Villa. The people who usually spend most time telling us how they organise their holidays around the league proramme, or they've called their firstborn Pongo McGregor McGrath or they're getting married and they're wearing claret and blue are the ones who seem to think they've got something to prove.
It really is just a sport, and while we all get really wound up by it, organising your whole life around it is a bit mental to say the least.
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greg, keep this up. Between Rory crushing the US Open field and you're posts I'm really having a top end to my weekend.
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Paulie my take is pretty much the same. what gets pretty tedious on here are those that choose to take the sycophantic banner and acuse those that dont agree with it as being somehow out of step and the usual culprits jumping on the bandwagon.
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i'm sorry toronto, i really have nowt against you at all. Until your unprovoked dig at me earlier i tended to agree with a lot you say on here. It seems you can give it out but can't take it back, but no hard feelings eh.
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Martin, Martin Laursen.
Martin Laursen
There's only one Martin Laursen,one Martin Laursen,
he plays at the back but he's great in attack,
walking in a Laursen wonderland.
A little song I picked up at Villa Park.
(tinhat/handbag/facepalm/meh/you/no you etc)
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If you accept that's ok, then by the same stretch, next time you come back from the match to find someone on here who hasn't been to the match telling you what it is like - because they live in Timbuktu, or wherever, for whatever reason- you should feel comfortable in telling them their opinions don't count either, because they weren't there any more than the bloke who lives round the corner and spent the afternoon watching back to back repeats of Come Dine With Me.
This is the bit I struggle with, I lend more weight to the opinions of those who get down the match more than I do those that dont, where am I going wrong?
I wont be going every game next season, I really wont have any problem at all with the club giving more weight to the views of season ticket holders.
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If you accept that's ok, then by the same stretch, next time you come back from the match to find someone on here who hasn't been to the match telling you what it is like - because they live in Timbuktu, or wherever, for whatever reason- you should feel comfortable in telling them their opinions don't count either, because they weren't there any more than the bloke who lives round the corner and spent the afternoon watching back to back repeats of Come Dine With Me.
This is the bit I struggle with, I lend more weight to the opinions of those who get down the match more than I do those that dont, where am I going wrong?
The point I was trying to make (badly) was that if you're going to start saying "what the fuck do you know, you weren't there, and you only live round the corner" to one supporter, then you should also be able to say "what the fuck do you know, you weren't there" to the supporter who lives in Timbuktu. Whatever his reasons - and he shouldn't have to explain those reasons.
In other words, laying into people because they don't go is wrong - across the board, not just in the case of people it seems ok to use as a stick to beat with.
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Would love Laursen. But this really is Mcleish`s choice .....
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smoke/mirrors?!
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2298081,00.html
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i'm sorry toronto, i really have nowt against you at all. Until your unprovoked dig at me earlier i tended to agree with a lot you say on here. It seems you can give it out but can't take it back, but no hard feelings eh.
well said
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i'm sorry toronto, i really have nowt against you at all. Until your unprovoked dig at me earlier i tended to agree with a lot you say on here. It seems you can give it out but can't take it back, but no hard feelings eh.
no hard feelings at all greg
I'll just get back to mail order Marmite
I'm K I D D I N G....Come on greg. Let's get behind the manager and team this year
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i'm sorry toronto, i really have nowt against you at all. Until your unprovoked dig at me earlier i tended to agree with a lot you say on here. It seems you can give it out but can't take it back, but no hard feelings eh.
no hard feelings at all greg
I'll just get back to mail order Marmite
I'm K I D D I N G....Come on greg. Let's get behind the manager and team this year
By 'getting behin them' do you mean purchase a match ticket if you've got a spare twenty notes and you're within a reasonable bus ride of B6?
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For all the grandstanding that goes on here about "OMG, I couldn't possibly live without Villa!!!" or "if i lived in the UK, I'd be there every day of the week, not just matchdays", the reality is that it is surprisingly easy to stop bothering when you've got other stuff to think about.
I wasted years of my life in the 80s and early 90s following Villa all over the place, then went and lived abroad for three years, so had little chance to watch us (pre web, pre satellite tv), then came back to the midlands and carried on not bothering at all for a few years longer. It was probably a hiatus of about 8 years or so when I got to about 3 matches at most.
Did it bother me at the time? No. Because I had other things to worry about / fill my time. That's life, it doesn't revolve around football. Does it make me any less of a fan? No, i don't think it does.
I don't like the "you're not allowed that opinion because you don't go very often" line because it is sneery and dismissive and there are probably lots of other people who could easily get to matches but don't bother, yet they don't seem to get the stick some posters do.
If you accept that's ok, then by the same stretch, next time you come back from the match to find someone on here who hasn't been to the match telling you what it is like - because they live in Timbuktu, or wherever, for whatever reason- you should feel comfortable in telling them their opinions don't count either, because they weren't there any more than the bloke who lives round the corner and spent the afternoon watching back to back repeats of Come Dine With Me.
By the same stretch, though, I also don't understand why anyone thinks anyone else should organise their whole life around Villa. The people who usually spend most time telling us how they organise their holidays around the league proramme, or they've called their firstborn Pongo McGregor McGrath or they're getting married and they're wearing claret and blue are the ones who seem to think they've got something to prove.
It really is just a sport, and while we all get really wound up by it, organising your whole life around it is a bit mental to say the least.
I think it's quite admirable the effort that some people put into their passions in life. Those that commit 100% to something have a dedication that I cannot match and I'm not going to call them mental because of it. There are a great many people who gear there lives around being able to make the most of their hobbies and I don't see what is wrong with it if that's their choice.
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no, you haven't touched a nerve. I'm just pointing out that you're talking utter bollocks.
Nashollocks. Look it up in the Scrabble dictionary.
Greglocks?