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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Damo70 on June 09, 2011, 11:07:40 AM
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The club is conscious of the keen interest in developments over the appoinment of our new manager. When the process has reached an appropriate point we can assure our fans that we will be clear and forthright. We are focused right now on trying to secure the best candidate who will compliment the clubs commitment to being true to our heritage, competitiveness and passionate fan base. We will update fans again when the process is more advanced.
I think we contacted Ancelotti and he said no thanks.
I think we contacted Benitez and talks broke down for whatever reason. That doesn't neccesarily mean we won't resume talks if we think it's for the best.
I think we abandoned plans to talk to McClaren.
I think we are talking to Martinez today (probably the only thing we know for sure and that's because Dave Whelan chose to make it public knowledge).
I think we will be speaking to a couple of others in the next few days. My guess would be Moyes and Hughes.
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No way on gods earth is Moyes coming to us
As far as Hughes goes, Im sure the club have announced that Hughes, Benitez and Mclaren are out of the running
The statement is wank
Who is next on the list after martinez?
Ian Holloway?
paul Ince?
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The club is conscious of the keen interest in developments over the appoinment of our new manager. When the process has reached an appropriate point we can assure our fans that we will be clear and forthright. We are focused right now on trying to secure the best candidate who will compliment the clubs commitment to being true to our heritage, competitiveness and passionate fan base. We will update fans again when the process is more advanced.
I think we contacted Ancelotti and he said no thanks.
I think we contacted Benitez and talks broke down for whatever reason. That doesn't neccesarily mean we won't resume talks if we think it's for the best.
I think we abandoned plans to talk to McClaren.
I think we are talking to Martinez today (probably the only thing we know for sure and that's because Dave Whelan chose to make it public knowledge).
I think we will be speaking to a couple of others in the next few days. My guess would be Moyes and Hughes.
I think this is another new manager thread.
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I think I really dislike Paul Faulkner
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I think we contacted Benitez and talks broke down for whatever reason. That doesn't neccesarily mean we won't resume talks if we think it's for the best.
do not like Beneathus and basically would be glad that we do not appoint him but I think the reason why talks broke down with him is probably the reason why we seem to be after the likes of Martinez, money available for team building
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The statement is wank
I agree with this. Gives so little information it might as well not have been said.
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do not like Beneathus and basically would be glad that we do not appoint him but I think the reason why talks broke down with him is probably the reason why we seem to be after the likes of Martinez, money available for team building
That's if you believe Sky, who earlier yesterday were reporting Dutch Shteve as favourite. Probably best to take what they say and presume the opposite is true!
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The statement is wank
I agree with this. Gives so little information it might as well not have been said.
It says that there is nothing to say at the moment, the obvious conclusion being that the speculation about an imminent appointment is not to be believed.
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Martinez will be one of many names. That is what it's saying.
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I wouldn't mind Martinez to be honest, I don't really understand what the big problem a lot of people have with him on here. I think he plays good football and seems to be good at motivating and managing his players.
I think he'd do a better job than Hughes, and he'd probably be able to bring in N'Zogbia/Rodellega who we sorely need.
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I think I really dislike Paul Faulkner
Why? Because our Club isn't deemed big enough or geographically located well enough to attract the bigger names?
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Im sure the club have announced that Hughes, Benitez and Mclaren are out of the running
Oh yes, when and where was this then?
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Im sure the club have announced that Hughes, Benitez and Mclaren are out of the running
Oh yes, when and where was this then?
Exactly
Makes me chuckle when people say things like that. As if the club are going to say "we've discounted manager x" halfway through talks.
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I think I really dislike Paul Faulkner
Me too, things really have been on a downward curve since he arrived.
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I think I really dislike Paul Faulkner
Why? Because our Club isn't deemed big enough or geographically located well enough to attract the bigger names?
What Irish villain said above
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I think I really dislike Paul Faulkner
Why? Because our Club isn't deemed big enough or geographically located well enough to attract the bigger names?
What Irish villain said above
Go back to 2007-2009 we were on a real roll. We were real movers in the PL. You could smell the burning ambition at Villa Park and we weren't just knocking on the door of the CL places, we were in amongst those places. Somethign went very badly wrong from early 2009. You could even sense it at the time.
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Why? Because our Club isn't deemed big enough or geographically located well enough to attract the bigger names?
This had me thinking the other day to why clubs dont consider locating there training facilities nearer to say London?
If thats what sells it to a player then I cant see any reason why they have to be in the vicinity of the clubs location?
Train all week in the smoke and play at your home ground once a fortnight..
why not?
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I think I really dislike Paul Faulkner
Why? Because our Club isn't deemed big enough or geographically located well enough to attract the bigger names?
What Irish villain said above
Go back to 2007-2009 we were on a real roll. We were real movers in the PL. You could smell the burning ambition at Villa Park and we weren't just knocking on the door of the CL places, we were in amongst those places. Somethign went very badly wrong from early 2009. You could even sense it at the time.
I think the board were on safe ground to begin with, they didn't have to input much as O'Neill was doing it all.
It started going tits up when they realised his Dictatorship was causing the wage bill to go through the roof, he leaves and they've been clueless ever since.
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I think I really dislike Paul Faulkner
Why? Because our Club isn't deemed big enough or geographically located well enough to attract the bigger names?
What Irish villain said above
Go back to 2007-2009 we were on a real roll. We were real movers in the PL. You could smell the burning ambition at Villa Park and we weren't just knocking on the door of the CL places, we were in amongst those places. Somethign went very badly wrong from early 2009. You could even sense it at the time.
I think the board were on safe ground to begin with, they didn't have to input much as O'Neill was doing it all.
It started going tits up when they realised his Dictatorship was causing the wage bill to go through the roof, he leaves and they've been clueless ever since.
His dictatorship caused the wage bill to gothrough the roof? How does that happen then? I would have thought it was the signing of players and agreeing to salaries that did that and the board only got a handle on that after three years or worst only realised it after three years then they are at least as much to blame as MON is. If that is you think only he was agreein to salaries and contract terms with no one in a senior position signing it off.
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Much as I like RL and the General, we've not handled the last 18months at all well as a Club.
I don't have much faith right now in us attracting or selecting the right Manger - infact when you look at the names listed it's very ordinary.
I very much hope i'm wrong on this but our pulling power for the best Managers just isn't there anymore.
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Much as I like RL and the General, we've not handled the last 18months at all well as a Club.
I don't have much faith right now in us attracting or selecting the right Manger - infact when you look at the names listed it's very ordinary.
What he said.
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Faulkner's a liability - he recommended Houllier for the role and for some reason also though Benitez should be considered. Jesus ever heard of learning from your mistakes? 1 duff arrogant aloof dull negative football former Liverpool manager for another. Who next Souness?
Does he actually pay attention too football other than Sky Sports News?
As for the article pile of crap - says nothing but I bet they spent 48 hours contriving it.
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I think I really dislike Paul Faulkner
Why? Because our Club isn't deemed big enough or geographically located well enough to attract the bigger names?
What Irish villain said above
Go back to 2007-2009 we were on a real roll. We were real movers in the PL. You could smell the burning ambition at Villa Park and we weren't just knocking on the door of the CL places, we were in amongst those places. Somethign went very badly wrong from early 2009. You could even sense it at the time.
I think the board were on safe ground to begin with, they didn't have to input much as O'Neill was doing it all.
It started going tits up when they realised his Dictatorship was causing the wage bill to go through the roof, he leaves and they've been clueless ever since.
His dictatorship caused the wage bill to gothrough the roof? How does that happen then? I would have thought it was the signing of players and agreeing to salaries that did that and the board only got a handle on that after three years or worst only realised it after three years then they are at least as much to blame as MON is. If that is you think only he was agreein to salaries and contract terms with no one in a senior position signing it off.
What i'm saying is
He was given a free hand and the board took their eye off the ball somewhat, as evidenced by the continual agreement to sign shit on high wages, I believe that pulling him up about the wage bill was the first time they'd took him to task since he'd been there, he took the hump and walked.
The board are mainly at fault for that, for letting it all get to that stage.
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Well said Rob Bridge
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Ian Taylor has posted some interesting tweets today.
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Why? Because our Club isn't deemed big enough or geographically located well enough to attract the bigger names?
This had me thinking the other day to why clubs dont consider locating there training facilities nearer to say London?
If thats what sells it to a player then I cant see any reason why they have to be in the vicinity of the clubs location?
Train all week in the smoke and play at your home ground once a fortnight..
why not?
Maybe beacuse we're not from London. I'm sentimental like that.
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Ian Taylor has posted some interesting tweets today.
What did he have for breakfast?
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I think I really dislike Paul Faulkner
Did you dislike him for signing Darren Bent without anyone knowing at all, or does Faulkner only do the bad things, and none of the good things at the club?
How about the statement says that don't believe everything you read or hear, and that the club is still looking at every option? That when there is something worth stating they'll state it. And for all us muppets that watch Sky Sports 24/7 - stop, as they know completely fuck all.
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Ian Taylor has posted some interesting tweets today.
What did he have for breakfast?
We're in transition, top managers hesitant to come. We still have the makings of a good squad and just need somebody to get the best out of the players.
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Much as I like RL and the General, we've not handled the last 18months at all well as a Club.
I don't have much faith right now in us attracting or selecting the right Manger - infact when you look at the names listed it's very ordinary.
I very much hope i'm wrong on this but our pulling power for the best Managers just isn't there anymore.
My feelings aswell. Randy and co get a lot of things right. But for whatever reason they seem to be lacking in the hiring department. As always I am more than happy to be proved wrong
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Im sure the club have announced that Hughes, Benitez and Mclaren are out of the running
Oh yes, when and where was this then?
Exactly
Makes me chuckle when people say things like that. As if the club are going to say "we've discounted manager x" halfway through talks.
We have discounted Steve McClaren due to the fact he refused to bring us cheap alcohol and fags from the Netherlands. The tosser.
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I think I really dislike Paul Faulkner
Me too, things really have been on a downward curve since he arrived.
Me too, Paul Faulkner is Jez Moxey light.
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Me too, Paul Faulkner is Jez Moxey light.
Quite literally. I was sitting on the table next to Jez and his wife at the salubrious surroundings of Nandos in Wolverhampton a few weeks ago. Boy, that guy can eat.
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I think the club are in the process of appointing the right man I know we are anxious to find out who he his but I have faith in Randy and his people they will do the right thing for us.
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I haven't even read the club statement.
I know it will be neutral and non commital.
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It's the first post on this thread.
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It never ceases to amaze me why some people take umbrage that just because it's a football club, they should be told on a blow by blow basis, about the intricacies of commercially sensitive deals before they've been concluded. Yes we're all interested, and we all want to know asap, but just because the club can't/won't/don't tell us, or don't do the media's bidding by responding to every bit of tittle tattle, does not mean that the club, the chairman or chief exec are a bunch of tossers who couldn't run a bath.
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a) Statement
Agree with everything in it. Some says it says nothing - and so it shouldn't. The first Villa should say is We can announce X as our new manager. Until then, we should remain silent.
And should tell Dave Whelan to do the same !
b) Regarding the "best candidate" and what this entails, its an oxymoron - Martinez and McLaren - er..... no.
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It never ceases to amaze me why some people take umbrage that just because it's a football club, they should be told on a blow by blow basis, about the intricacies of commercially sensitive deals before they've been concluded. Yes we're all interested, and we all want to know asap, but just because the club can't/won't/don't tell us, or don't do the media's bidding by responding to every bit of tittle tattle, does not mean that the club, the chairman or chief exec are a bunch of tossers who couldn't run a bath.
Sure but try telling that to Martin O'Neill's seven dwarfs. That nasty man Paul Faulkner is the reason Snow Whiter than White Martin left us.
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It never ceases to amaze me why some people take umbrage that just because it's a football club, they should be told on a blow by blow basis, about the intricacies of commercially sensitive deals before they've been concluded. Yes we're all interested, and we all want to know asap, but just because the club can't/won't/don't tell us, or don't do the media's bidding by responding to every bit of tittle tattle, does not mean that the club, the chairman or chief exec are a bunch of tossers who couldn't run a bath.
Sure but try telling that to Martin O'Neill's seven dwarfs. That nasty man Paul Faulkner is the reason Snow Whiter than White Martin left us.
Ya daft sizeist.
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It never ceases to amaze me why some people take umbrage that just because it's a football club, they should be told on a blow by blow basis, about the intricacies of commercially sensitive deals before they've been concluded. Yes we're all interested, and we all want to know asap, but just because the club can't/won't/don't tell us, or don't do the media's bidding by responding to every bit of tittle tattle, does not mean that the club, the chairman or chief exec are a bunch of tossers who couldn't run a bath.
Sure but try telling that to Martin O'Neill's seven dwarfs. That nasty man Paul Faulkner is the reason Snow Whiter than White Martin left us.
Ya daft sizeist.
Sorry, Shortarse.
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Ian Taylor has posted some interesting tweets today.
What did he have for breakfast?
We're in transition, top managers hesitant to come. We still have the makings of a good squad and just need somebody to get the best out of the players.
Erm, interesting.
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I think I really dislike Paul Faulkner
Why? Because our Club isn't deemed big enough or geographically located well enough to attract the bigger names?
What Irish villain said above
Go back to 2007-2009 we were on a real roll. We were real movers in the PL. You could smell the burning ambition at Villa Park and we weren't just knocking on the door of the CL places, we were in amongst those places. Somethign went very badly wrong from early 2009. You could even sense it at the time.
I doubt you were saying that in April last year when we were challenging for the CL and about to play Chelsea in the semi-final of the FA Cup.
Sure, Moscow and the subsequent 2-2 at home to Stoke fucked-up 2009 for us but the following year, only last year in fact, we were on the brink of even greater success.
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I think I really dislike Paul Faulkner
Why? Because our Club isn't deemed big enough or geographically located well enough to attract the bigger names?
What Irish villain said above
Go back to 2007-2009 we were on a real roll. We were real movers in the PL. You could smell the burning ambition at Villa Park and we weren't just knocking on the door of the CL places, we were in amongst those places. Somethign went very badly wrong from early 2009. You could even sense it at the time.
I doubt you were saying that in April last year when we were challenging for the CL and about to play Chelsea in the semi-final of the FA Cup.
Sure, Moscow and the subsequent 2-2 at home to Stoke fucked-up 2009 for us but the following year, only last year in fact, we were on the brink of even greater success.
I tell you what went wrong, I sai dit at the time on Villatalk (where I was a member) and got laughed out of town - but who is laughing now - well, no one really, including me.
The signing of Emile Heskey cost this club at the very least 5 yrs (I said then 5, it now transpires longer) - we beat Sunderland, we were 2nd (for a few short hours before someone won the late kick off) , the only thing we needed was a goalscorer - Get Darren Bent I cried, get Bent and we wil win the league never mind 4th.
We didn't - we bought Heskey - the rest my friend, is obvious.
That January was the "Juninho moment" - roll on 2025 - coz that will be our next chance !
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How is it longer than 5 years when it's only been 2 1/2 years since we signed him?
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Holtepaul. That post just doesn't make sense but your rants are comedy gold!!
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Villasubmarina - are3 you two or something - or just got the IQ of a grain of rice.
We were 2nd !!!! - SECOND - that is one from top.
Now, put the V-tech my first computer down before I ask this question.
Do you honestly think Aston Villa will be challenging for the league , and at the very least, be in the top 3 - either in the 2010-2011 or 2011-2012 season ?
That week - we were 2nd (for a few hours) or 3rd (realistically) - Arsenal were 5th.
We bought Heskey , they bought Arshavin
The rest was history.
You really do just argue for the sake of it - don't you
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No, I'm just trying to work out how you think it has set us back longer than 5 years when it's only been 2 1/2 years since we signed him.
And it's spelt VillaSubmariner not Submarina.
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Because we were one player away from cracking it - the same as when JG wanted Juninho - one player, that was all we needed.
We never got it, and thats it. I said it will cost 5 - history and now money shows it will be longer.
Villa peak every 10 yrs
1981 - league , next good year 1990 - then a chink 1994 , then 2000 , then 1999
Clubs of our stature (Spurs, Everton etc..) get one crack every now and again, and you have to take that crack.
We never, and it will be a bloody long time before we get another crack.
Who was to blame - who knows, fans blame O'Neill , media blame Faulkner - but the fact is, who-ever it was, cost this club years of progress with that decision.
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I think I really dislike Paul Faulkner
Why? Because our Club isn't deemed big enough or geographically located well enough to attract the bigger names?
What Irish villain said above
Go back to 2007-2009 we were on a real roll. We were real movers in the PL. You could smell the burning ambition at Villa Park and we weren't just knocking on the door of the CL places, we were in amongst those places. Somethign went very badly wrong from early 2009. You could even sense it at the time.
I doubt you were saying that in April last year when we were challenging for the CL and about to play Chelsea in the semi-final of the FA Cup.
Sure, Moscow and the subsequent 2-2 at home to Stoke fucked-up 2009 for us but the following year, only last year in fact, we were on the brink of even greater success.
You're right about the cups, but the previous year the top four was really there for the taking. Arsenal were struggling for form and Spurs weren't as strong as they became. We should have made fourth in 2008/2009.
Granted we were on the verge of success in 2009/2010, but the top four was that bit further out of reach. I remember being at Villa Park for the final home game against Blackburn and there was this all pervasive sense that things had turned at Villa.
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The next good year after 1981 was 1982. Then after 1994 was 1996.
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get one crack every now and again, and you have to take that crack.
Just
Say
No!!!
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get one crack every now and again, and you have to take that crack.
Just
Say
No!!!
Yeah.
Stay off the pipe, man.
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Because we were one player away from cracking it - the same as when JG wanted Juninho - one player, that was all we needed.
We never got it, and thats it. I said it will cost 5 - history and now money shows it will be longer.
Villa peak every 10 yrs
1981 - league , next good year 1990 - then a chink 1994 , then 2000 , then 1999
Clubs of our stature (Spurs, Everton etc..) get one crack every now and again, and you have to take that crack.
We never, and it will be a bloody long time before we get another crack.
Who was to blame - who knows, fans blame O'Neill , media blame Faulkner - but the fact is, who-ever it was, cost this club years of progress with that decision.
We finished higher in 1993, 1996 and 1997 than we did in 2000, and as high too often to remember.
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Do you honestly think Aston Villa will be challenging for the league , and at the very least, be in the top 3 - either in the 2010-2011 or 2011-2012 season ?
Hasn't the 2010-2011 season just finished? Don't we already know the answer? At least I know we got 48 points. Or was it 42? Maybe we were relegated. Or won the league.
Find out in the next episode of Soap.
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The next good year after 1981 was 1982. Then after 1994 was 1996.
Not in the league it wasn't. In fact, I think we finished 10th on both occasions if I remember correctly !, or was it 94 we finisshed 10th, think it was unde BFR not little.
Sorry, cups are nice, but they don't show the whole story.
If they show success - then go try telling Blues fans that !!!
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Not in the league it wasn't. In fact, I think we finished 10th on both occasions if I remember correctly !
Fifth in 1996 but nice try.
You'll get there in the end.
Fact. 100%. Et cetera.
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Not in the league it wasn't. In fact, I think we finished 10th on both occasions if I remember correctly !
Fifth in 1996 but nice try.
You'll get there in the end.
Fact. 100%. Et cetera.
Fourth.
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try reading and copying the whole post rather than cutting and pasting to show something that is wrong.
Do you work for the Sun ?
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If trying to hide the fact you were wrong, don't quote yourself in the next post.
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Not in the league it wasn't. In fact, I think we finished 10th on both occasions if I remember correctly !
Fifth in 1996 but nice try.
You'll get there in the end.
Fact. 100%. Et cetera.
Fourth.
Good call. That'll teach me to use a table from football.co.uk
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try reading and copying the whole post rather than cutting and pasting to show something that is wrong.
Do you work for the Sun ?
He's only dealing with 100% FACTS.
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try reading and copying the whole post rather than cutting and pasting to show something that is wrong.
Do you work for the Sun ?
Yes, it's clearly my fault that you were hilariously incorrect yet again.
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is Holepaul going on 'live at the apollo' soon, because he's fantastic on here
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Do you work for the Sun ?
Says the man responsible for 80 percent of all exclamation marks ever used on this site.
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is Holepaul going on 'live at the apollo' soon, because he's fantastic on here
If by fantastic, you actually mean rubbish I agree.
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OK so I am wrong - you lot are unbelievable - bloody O'Leary was right weren't he - FICKLE
So your arguament on one side is
Winning cups is successful
Then when I say McLeish has done more than Martinez - you slag me off for it
MAKE YOUR F>>>>G MINDS UP WILL YA
1981 1st
1990 2nd
1994 2nd
2000 - we were 1st up until january window before we didn't but Juninho then it went wrong
2009 ? - was it - cant remember - we were 3rd and challenging for the league.
Apart from those seasons we have NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER even been close to winning the league.
So don't make bullshit up that we have - OK !
Yes we won a league cup here and there - great days, but cups dont mean great seasons, ask Blues and Portsmouth !
And do you know what -
1981 - we had a manager who had proved himself at Norwich and took Man City to a cup - and moved down a league to join us
1990 - we had a manager who had proved himself, took Watford from 4th division to 1st division top 3 and a cup final
1994 - had a manager who had managed Man U , won several cups and was usually around top 3 in league
2000 - novice manager - the one exception
2009 - a manager who had won cups, took Leicester to Europe, and had won European cups as a player
Getting the hint on why they were probably successful at the Villa ?
Maybe not, coz you've lost the bloody arguament so just act like 6 yr olds making childish remarks.
(and this site has the audacity to slag off Villa talk)
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We finished second in 1993. Juninho was 1999. You missed out 1983 and '96. Saunders didn't move down a league - he was unemployed. Incidentally, as you're so keen to quote manager polls, he got about 3% when he was appointed.
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holtepaul - were you banned from Villasquawk?
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OK Holtepaul is entertaining and to be fair about 60% accurate. Personally we died as a big club the day Collymore signed - a stupid signing which antagonised Townsend, Staunton and Yorke as he guaranteed himself the highest wage, and let Liverpool off the hook big style. Little was shown to be weak that day after 2 years of promise.
Right my source (the one confirmed Bent was coming to Villa and who said Downing may be on his way, which I got berated for) suggested that Ancelotti was 1st choice. A big No No on his part and probably will be Roma or Italy manager from July 2012. Then it was up for grabs. McLaren (in part due to these boards) was told not to even bother but was invited by Faulkner for interview. He would be like Gt at Wolves in 94/95. We dodged a huge bullet in not hiring Houllier-Spanish-version because FSW is not actually a caricature of himself - he is really like that. Hence Faulkner needs to be binned soon.
Moyes (2nd choice) is not available for interview - genuinely dunno why, Martinez has been interviewed (obviously) and Hughes may have been too (he may be an if - not sure). There are 2-3 others who are in the frame in the event all of the above falls through.
If I have genuine information I will post otherwise I will just enjoy the normal banter.
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As far as the manager's position goes: Why doesn't Barry take it?
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OK so I am wrong - you lot are unbelievable - bloody O'Leary was right weren't he - FICKLE
and then...
Maybe not, coz you've lost the bloody arguament so just act like 6 yr olds making childish remarks.
(and this site has the audacity to slag off Villa talk)
I think the banhammer may be swinging pretty soon.
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OK so I am wrong - you lot are unbelievable - bloody O'Leary was right weren't he - FICKLE
So your arguament on one side is
Winning cups is successful
Then when I say McLeish has done more than Martinez - you slag me off for it
MAKE YOUR F>>>>G MINDS UP WILL YA
1981 1st
1990 2nd
1994 2nd
2000 - we were 1st up until january window before we didn't but Juninho then it went wrong
2009 ? - was it - cant remember - we were 3rd and challenging for the league.
Apart from those seasons we have NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER even been close to winning the league.
So don't make bullshit up that we have - OK !
Yes we won a league cup here and there - great days, but cups dont mean great seasons, ask Blues and Portsmouth !
And do you know what -
1981 - we had a manager who had proved himself at Norwich and took Man City to a cup - and moved down a league to join us
1990 - we had a manager who had proved himself, took Watford from 4th division to 1st division top 3 and a cup final
1994 - had a manager who had managed Man U , won several cups and was usually around top 3 in league
2000 - novice manager - the one exception
2009 - a manager who had won cups, took Leicester to Europe, and had won European cups as a player
Getting the hint on why they were probably successful at the Villa ?
Maybe not, coz you've lost the bloody arguament so just act like 6 yr olds making childish remarks.
(and this site has the audacity to slag off Villa talk)
You are an imbecile.
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OK so I am wrong - you lot are unbelievable - bloody O'Leary was right weren't he - FICKLE
So your arguament on one side is
Winning cups is successful
Then when I say McLeish has done more than Martinez - you slag me off for it
MAKE YOUR F>>>>G MINDS UP WILL YA
1981 1st
1990 2nd
1994 2nd
2000 - we were 1st up until january window before we didn't but Juninho then it went wrong
2009 ? - was it - cant remember - we were 3rd and challenging for the league.
Apart from those seasons we have NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER even been close to winning the league.
So don't make bullshit up that we have - OK !
Yes we won a league cup here and there - great days, but cups dont mean great seasons, ask Blues and Portsmouth !
And do you know what -
1981 - we had a manager who had proved himself at Norwich and took Man City to a cup - and moved down a league to join us
1990 - we had a manager who had proved himself, took Watford from 4th division to 1st division top 3 and a cup final
1994 - had a manager who had managed Man U , won several cups and was usually around top 3 in league
2000 - novice manager - the one exception
2009 - a manager who had won cups, took Leicester to Europe, and had won European cups as a player
Getting the hint on why they were probably successful at the Villa ?
Maybe not, coz you've lost the bloody arguament so just act like 6 yr olds making childish remarks.
(and this site has the audacity to slag off Villa talk)
There's a point in there somewhere. Fcuked if I know what it is though. Has Brian Little -with his lack of success pre Villa- been airbrushed from history now as that example doesn't suit?
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Brian Little is that rarity of rarities in football management, a good, honest and thoroughly decent man. Call me fickle and a childish six year old but I happen to believe those qualities should be taken into the balance when judging both the appointment of a manager and the assessment of his record.
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Brian Little is that rarity of rarities in football management, a good, honest and thoroughly decent man. Call me fickle and a childish six year old but I happen to believe those qualities should be taken into the balance when judging both the appointment of a manager and the assessment of his record.
Little was one of the most boring interviewees on football known to man, lovely guy, but as tedious and negative as they come.
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holtepaul - were you banned from Villasquawk?
no - to be honest (and I have heard it mentioned here recently) a few "other" fans come on, and were getting abuse, from what I presumed were a load of 13 yr olds. So started to look at other sites, this was the easiest to use !! (although for the mods on here, I honestly think having the General's stuff all in the one thread as per Villatalk is much better - you should look into that)
However, started to question this site now as well, as , last night, when you want a debate - it seems if people lose an arguament they just resort to taking the pee out of spelling mistakes , or pulling up on years (sorry Dave W - point proven about) - I may be a sad Villa fan, but I'm not sad enough to remember exactly when we pulled out the Juninho deal - I said 2000 - it turned out to be 1999 - so what - it was 12 yrs ago - the point is what counts !.)
Also Dave, I find it hard to believe Saunders had an approval rating of 3% - where ? - no internet, radio WM didn't even exist yet - it wasn't even Radio Birmingham ! , the only outlet for sport in 1975 was the Argos (once a week) the Evening mail (but not many people had phones in 1975 so that rules out a phone vote) and BRMB - who had Tony Butler doing a show when the matches on with updates from the games from people like Bob Mills)
Have I missed something - what happened in 1983 (apart from the Super Cup which is about as much thought about than the Peace Cup) - I may be wrong but I can't remember us pulling up any trees in 1983 - ...... in fact I've just looked us up, coz I honestly thought I had missed something - we finished 6th - 14 points behind the winners (but 2 points for a win so thats more like 20-25 depending on how many of them were wins). Why would I put 1983 and 1996 - we finished 19 points behind the winners that year - it was a great season - but we never come anywhere near challenging for the league
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holtepaul - were you banned from Villasquawk?
no - to be honest (and I have heard it mentioned here recently) a few "other" fans come on, and were getting abuse, from what I presumed were a load of 13 yr olds. So started to look at other sites, this was the easiest to use !! (although for the mods on here, I honestly think having the General's stuff all in the one thread as per Villatalk is much better - you should look into that)
However, started to question this site now as well, as , last night, when you want a debate - it seems if people lose an arguament they just resort to taking the pee out of spelling mistakes , or pulling up on years (sorry Dave W - point proven about) - I may be a sad Villa fan, but I'm not sad enough to remember exactly when we pulled out the Juninho deal - I said 2000 - it turned out to be 1999 - so what - it was 12 yrs ago - the point is what counts !.)
Also Dave, I find it hard to believe Saunders had an approval rating of 3% - where ? - no internet, radio WM didn't even exist yet - it wasn't even Radio Birmingham ! , the only outlet for sport in 1975 was the Argos (once a week) the Evening mail (but not many people had phones in 1975 so that rules out a phone vote) and BRMB - who had Tony Butler doing a show when the matches on with updates from the games from people like Bob Mills)
But your debating style is pretty poor. You make a point but get all of the facts wrong. You're complaining above about being picked up on getting years wrong, yet you also like to spout that you only deal in facts. Well the thing is that if you want to deal in facts, then you probably want to make yourself bulletproof in that area. You complain about people being childish, yet you call your fellow supporters fickle. You use exclamation marks like you've had a job lot delivered and are trying to get through them. You disregard others' opinions with ill-conceived rants and often sign off with a stupid rhetorical question.
And after all that you make an allusion that VT is a better forum. Well if you think that, you know where to go, don't you?
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Also Dave, I find it hard to believe Saunders had an approval rating of 3% - where ? - no internet, radio WM didn't even exist yet - it wasn't even Radio Birmingham ! , the only outlet for sport in 1975 was the Argos (once a week) the Evening mail (but not many people had phones in 1975 so that rules out a phone vote) and BRMB - who had Tony Butler doing a show when the matches on with updates from the games from people like Bob Mills)
The Evening Mail had a poll, back in the days when its circulation was much bigger than now. Clough got 93%, Alf Ramsey was second with 4% and believe it or not, poor people did have phones back then. But of course, anyone in possession of the facts to prove you're wrong is 'sad'.
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Did I say VT was a better site ?
What I said was the generals thread is easier to use as it is in one single place. And I could be wrong, but in the very early days of me being on here, I think the general even asked himself for one thread. It must be hard for him to look at about 12 different threads to see if anyone has asked a question - much easier to go on one, look at his last port, then read the posts from that point.
Both sites are much of a muchness - as it seems there are a lot of people (like myself, and I've also seen Mazrim as well as others) who use both. What I find annoying on sites, is the same I find it annoying in my work.
Bosses who actually are insecure about how good they are at the job, pick on silly things. They won't have a go at a worker for doing the job badly, as they do it badly themselves - so instead they have a go for not having shiney shoes, or not having your shirt tucked in - trivial stuff to make them look good.
Similar on websites - if you feel you have lost a debate, or someone has an opinion, that on the face of it, is correct - then instead of saying "never thought of it that way" much easier to say " oooo look at the !!! " or pull up on a spelling mistake. When most don't use correct grammar themselves - and if you don't believe me - have a think about the name of this site ? - do I care though - not really
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What the fuck has the name of this site got to do with anything? You spent the whole of last night calling everyone else and when you were proved to be wrong you reckon it was because of your spelling. It wasn't.You were wrong because you were wrong, and not for the first time.
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Argos.
*snigger*
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Also Dave, I find it hard to believe Saunders had an approval rating of 3% - where ? - no internet, radio WM didn't even exist yet - it wasn't even Radio Birmingham ! , the only outlet for sport in 1975 was the Argos (once a week) the Evening mail (but not many people had phones in 1975 so that rules out a phone vote) and BRMB - who had Tony Butler doing a show when the matches on with updates from the games from people like Bob Mills)
The Evening Mail had a poll, back in the days when its circulation was much bigger than now. Clough got 93%, Alf Ramsey was second with 4% and believe it or not, poor people did have phones back then. But of course, anyone in possession of the facts to prove you're wrong is 'sad'.
Dave - I am as old as you, not many people had phones in 1975. In my class (which must have been about 25 kids) I as the 2nd person to get a phone and that was in 1976 - I can vividly remember as it was the day Brotherhood of Man won the Euro Song contest - all my mates thought my mom and dad were cool for having a phone.
People had phones then , but probably as many who have electric cars now - very rare indeed
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Also Dave, I find it hard to believe Saunders had an approval rating of 3% - where ? - no internet, radio WM didn't even exist yet - it wasn't even Radio Birmingham ! , the only outlet for sport in 1975 was the Argos (once a week) the Evening mail (but not many people had phones in 1975 so that rules out a phone vote) and BRMB - who had Tony Butler doing a show when the matches on with updates from the games from people like Bob Mills)
The Evening Mail had a poll, back in the days when its circulation was much bigger than now. Clough got 93%, Alf Ramsey was second with 4% and believe it or not, poor people did have phones back then. But of course, anyone in possession of the facts to prove you're wrong is 'sad'.
Dave - I am as old as you, not many people had phones in 1975. In my class (which must have been about 25 kids) I as the 2nd person to get a phone and that was in 1976 - I can vividly remember as it was the day Brotherhood of Man won the Euro Song contest - all my mates thought my mom and dad were cool for having a phone.
People had phones then , but probably as many who have electric cars now - very rare indeed
I think this is getting off-topic somewhat.
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Correct and going back to the thread - as far as I am concerned and I am one of the first to have a go as you all know - I cant see what the Villa have done wrong in any of this.
The expression ITSOTP is used widely on here - well it seems this is what the Villa are doing - dont say or believe anything until ITSOTP
and for that I totally agree
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Correct and going back to the thread - as far as I am concerned and I am one of the first to have a go as you all know - I cant see what the Villa have done wrong in any of this.
The expression ITSOTP is used widely on here - well it seems this is what the Villa are doing - dont say or believe anything until ITSOTP
and for that I totally agree
It was invented on here.
You're right though, Villa have always been like this. Even my old Dad said they've been the same since he can remember.
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The General's questions and answers are already in one dedicated thread.
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People had phones then , but probably as many who have electric cars now - very rare indeed
I didn't exactly live in a rich area when I was a kid in 1975, but everyone I knew had a phone in their house.
We also has that tennis game you plugged into your telly.
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People had phones then , but probably as many who have electric cars now - very rare indeed
I didn't exactly live in a rich area when I was a kid in 1975, but everyone I knew had a phone in their house.
We also has that tennis game you plugged into your telly.
Fucking show off. In my day we had to wear barrels with braces because we had no clothes. And Mars Bars were bigger.
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Well there you have it because Atari released the very first version of that in Xmas 75 in America and it didn't really hit the Uk until late 76-77.
And that is when technology started to take over.
But we digress - but I think we all need some ligh relief at the moment anyway.
However, back onto boring thread (and getting involved in the arguament) I just read this Plinky or whatever his name is , is a board members son. Surely, not on this earth.
Why would the Villa, who have said less words than Tommy (again, back to the 70s !) let a board members son appear on a website.
Narh, sorry
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Well there you have it because Atari released the very first version of that in Xmas 75 in America and it didn't really hit the Uk until late 76-77.
And that is when technology started to take over.
Okay, a year out, much like most of your 'facts'.
Did you really not have a telephone in 1975?
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I didn't have a telephone in 1975.
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I did
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I had one of these:
(http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/m/mhfYvimHhc6g-Brl6D2GvIQ/140.jpg)
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chuckle at above
No , as I said , Eurovision 1976 week. I made my first phonecall to my nan saying they'd won.
I was only 6 - but can remember it clear as day
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Correct and going back to the thread - as far as I am concerned and I am one of the first to have a go as you all know - I cant see what the Villa have done wrong in any of this.
The expression ITSOTP is used widely on here - well it seems this is what the Villa are doing - dont say or believe anything until ITSOTP
and for that I totally agree
It was invented on here.
I always thought it was the mailing list but I'm sure I'll be corrected...
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Correct and going back to the thread - as far as I am concerned and I am one of the first to have a go as you all know - I cant see what the Villa have done wrong in any of this.
The expression ITSOTP is used widely on here - well it seems this is what the Villa are doing - dont say or believe anything until ITSOTP
and for that I totally agree
It was invented on here.
I always thought it was the mailing list but I'm sure I'll be corrected...
Awesome. We invented a saying either way.
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Having quickly read the last couple of pages it seems the thread is about correcting holtepaul's mistakes and phones in the seventies, so -
1- It was 3 points for a win in 1983 not 2 points so the 14 point gap wasn't more like 20-25
2- We had a phone in 1975 but it was on a 'party line' (anyone remember them), if you picked up to dial and the people across the road were already talking on the line you had to wait till later.
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Seriously ?
I've never heard of that.
Could you just keep quiet and listen to them ?
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Seriously ?
I've never heard of that.
Could you just keep quiet and listen to them ?
Theoretically yes, but not in reality because I would have got a jolly good telling off from me mom!
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I'd forgotten them. You had to press a perspex button to get a line.
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A lot of people did not have a phone in their house at that time, but there was a red public phone box on almost every street, otherwise the bookmakers may have gone out of business.
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I remember as a kid learning how to spin 2p into the 10p slot in a phone box. Those were the days.
And we had a phone. And a TV with a remote, and a video as well IIRC. We were well posh.
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A lot of people did not have a phone in their house at that time, but there was a red public phone box on almost every street, otherwise the bookmakers may have gone out of business.
Tom Jones used to have a British red public phonebox next to the swimming pool at his L.A. mansion. Imagine that, mansion, swimming pool but has to go outside to use the phone.
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A lot of people did not have a phone in their house at that time, but there was a red public phone box on almost every street, otherwise the bookmakers may have gone out of business.
Tom Jones used to have a British red public phonebox next to the swimming pool at his L.A. mansion. Imagine that, mansion, swimming pool but has to go outside to use the phone.
It's not unusual. 8)
They had one at a restaurant called Picadilly's in Wichita, Kansas when I lived there.
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2- We had a phone in 1975 but it was on a 'party line' (anyone remember them), if you picked up to dial and the people across the road were already talking on the line you had to wait till later.
Yes we had a party line in 1975 too. We had it for a fair few years before we got our own line.
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2- We had a phone in 1975 but it was on a 'party line' (anyone remember them), if you picked up to dial and the people across the road were already talking on the line you had to wait till later.
Yes we had a party line in 1975 too. We had it for a fair few years before we got our own line.
The woman who we were "partied" with was always on the phone from what I remember.