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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: remy on June 09, 2011, 11:00:31 AM
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Yes I believed that spiel in the heady days of MON's appointment back in 06'. New Owner, New manager, New players, loads and loads of changes (mostly positive) and the previous regime swept away like an old carpet. Oh how we sang! Oh how we drank! Oh how rejoiced as that 2nd goal by Barry against Reading on that bright new dawn day signalled the start of something special.
For a few years I lived the dream as we floated top 4-6 with the annual collapse around spring as expected as a turned down penalty appeal at Old trafford. We were sooo close to Champions league qualification...you could smell it...but as is the nature of AVFC they find even more ways to contrive to let you down. (The Stoke 2-2 post Moscow particularly).
More players (but not actually playing), more elaborate ways to let us down. And then the request for even MORE players!
And then Mr Faeces, let me introduce Mr Fan. Good Afternoon Mr 7-1 soul destroying defeat to no-longer their bogey side chelski! Hello Mr 6-0 defeat to recently promoted Championship side! Hello Mr defeated in derbies! Make yourselves home !
Taking stock on this warm June day in 2011 comparing notes to my Norwich supporting friend about our respective teams and I realised this will be the 25th season of supporting Aston Villa Football Club. And as ever we are again at the start of another 3-4 year cycle and the search for a new man to take the helm. Another "transition year".
This is not another Manager thread boys.
Announced this morning that Martinez is in the running. I don’t dislike the fellow personally and I don’t think his teams play vomit inducing football like Allardyce sides, however I do think the appointment is uninspired as other candidates have either ruled themselves out or we are not being ambitious enough. Picking a manager who has managed to "keep" Wigan in the top flight aswell as conceding 10 goals in his first 2 games of the season doesn’t exactly inspire confidence in our requisite to hit the champions league in the near future. More like keep us IN the Premier League at all costs.
We are about to lose our best player for the 3rd consecutive year now, so fears that we are a "feeder" club for the top 4 cant be ignored now. "Keeping our best players" is now something what my kids do with Trading cards.
We have no new sponsor, whether a corporation wants to associate with a club with no recognised No.9 as a star centre forward, slapstick centre halves, 2 full backs that would be shot elsewhere, a ponderous midfield and Emile Heskey is open to debate. I can’t see the blue chips queuing up for this one.
I turn to solace in the beautiful Claret and Blue shirt. What’s that you say? Not available until November? Chequered pattern you say? It seems like asking the cosmos to align differently or the sun rising in the west for a simple Claret and Blue offering and available to purchase in July.
Season tickets must be slower than a Petrov turn and pass.
When you see a club like Barcelona, the way they play to some of the shite served up by BOTH teams at B6 last season its like another planet. The sad thing is back in 1982 we weren’t that far off.
Right now the ONCE proud history, and so so bright future I can see is for us to lower our expectations on a top 6 finish anymore as we now have to displace Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs for 4th, 5th and 6th. I think us STAYING in the top flight to make up the numbers is the summit of our ambition now that you get £30m for finishing 17th.
Roll on the fixture list in 8 days.
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That is a very depressing read. I'm glad I'm not you....
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As Chris Smith said yesterday, appointing Martinez would be confirmation that we've accepted our position in the pecking order as alongside Fulham and Sunderland.
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A slightly depressing synopsis there, but there are some fair points in there, being a diehard Villa fan, who is a season ticket holder and been a fan for over 30-years I've seen a lot of changes.
The general consensus of people outside the club is that Villa fans are largely a bunch of hard to please, whinging, demanding lot.
Should we be bothered by that view? There is nothing wrong with demanding the best things possible for our football club, but I do have to admit that a lot of us do take it to a whole new level. By saying things like 'i won't go to Villa if Person A, B, or C are manager, really is not helpful is it. If you've seen half a dozen games and we are generally woeful then fair enough, but to castigate people before we've had a chance to see their work is pretty poor.
I've seen posts saying that people will stop supporting Villa, or going to games if Mclaren, Benitez, Coyle, Martinez are appointed, I mean, what's the point of that? But people of that mindset, of the mindset to criticise and to actively boo and not support our own team and players has become more and more prevalent over the recent years. I've been a season ticket holder for over 20-years and although we gave people like Cascarino, Ormondroyd, Callaghan stick, at least it was done after we'd seen them play a few times and fully deserved These days we're on a players back after half an hour on the pitch, and on a managers back within a couple of weeks, or in this case, before they've even arrived at the club!
I don't live in Birmingham, and I hear peoples views on Villa from afar, people not from Birmingham, and I tell you, Villa fans are known for being moaners, and generally as not great backers of their team. Opposition managers know that if they can keep things tight for 20-minutes then us fans are going to start to crucify our own players, sapping their confidence and giving the oppostition a boost, this is a factor in why our home record has been so average in the past couple of seasons I am certain.
We have some great great fans at Villa, I know, I sit with lots and lots of them and most of the people i've sat next to over the years have been fantastic, but there's an increasingly vocal voice of negativity at the club which is hanging over the club.
So, whoever is appointed, whatever our first impressions are and preconceived notions are, GIVE THEM A BLOODY CHANCE, support them, and if by November things aren't good, THEN criticise, but please, let's be positive, let's encourage, and let's see how the new man does, whoever it may be.
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New shirt and sponser in next 2 weeks. And a new manager.
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When did we become Manchester United? I ask this question as there seems to be a lot of our supporters just lately convinced we have some divine right to success and who get very upset when it doesn't happen.
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Somehow due to beg, borrow and stealing, ST is renewed. Cant wait until the next home game. Come on you Villa Boys
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I do not believe we are manure or that we have a divine right to succes
I believed the board when they suggested that we were aiming to bring back our glory days. I guess when they said that some of us though back to competing at the top of the table when in fact the board meant the glory days of top half finishes and the odd good cup run.
Just a difference of historical thinking I guess
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When did we become Manchester United? I ask this question as there seems to be a lot of our supporters just lately convinced we have some divine right to success and who get very upset when it doesn't happen.
I think that is an unfair statement. There are very few sane Villa fans who believe we have a divine right to success.
However, when Randy took over there was this vision of a "Bright Future" sold to the fans and we made steps towards getting there under MON. Since he left there is the feeling that Randy thinks it's too hard so realise the "Bright Future" and what remains is some sort of cloudy future.
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There's a lot of shooting from the hip on this forum lately.
Nobody knows anything apart from the board but we are willing to accept on the strength of Whelan saying to a reporter we have been given permission to speak to Martinez that Martinez will naturally be the next manager.
Are there odds anywhere on Martinez not being our next manager?
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When did we become Manchester United? I ask this question as there seems to be a lot of our supporters just lately convinced we have some divine right to success and who get very upset when it doesn't happen.
On the flip side, when dd we become Stoke City, just happy to make up the numbers?
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in the next 14 days we will have: A new manager; a new signing; the fixture list; and players signing new contracts.
And everything will feel real again.
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When did we become Manchester United? I ask this question as there seems to be a lot of our supporters just lately convinced we have some divine right to success and who get very upset when it doesn't happen.
I agree with this statement 100%
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As Chris Smith said yesterday, appointing Martinez would be confirmation that we've accepted our position in the pecking order as alongside Fulham and Sunderland.
To be fair I disd say IF we appoint him and that I'm far from convinced that we will.
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When did we become Manchester United? I ask this question as there seems to be a lot of our supporters just lately convinced we have some divine right to success and who get very upset when it doesn't happen.
Indeed.
People moaned for a new Board and and new outlook after Ellis, and indeed we have one. For some God unknown reason since, some are spouting more off that he is nothing but smoke and mirrors, even after the outlay and the advancements we have made since. He may have made a mistake to a certain extent last season in and indeed trusting the previous incumbent far too much.
The mind boggles.... let's just wait and see.
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However, when Randy took over there was this vision of a "Bright Future" sold to the fans and we made steps towards getting there under MON. Since he left there is the feeling that Randy thinks it's too hard so realise the "Bright Future" and what remains is some sort of cloudy future.
Since he left Randy has spent £24m on a striker.
The way I see it is we were on our way for the first three years under MON. Getting into Europe, buying exciting young players and actually getting nice things said about us in the media. Then in the 4th year, despite on the field results still being good, we had some issues between the manager and chairman. In truth the rate of improvement had slowed down and we were in danger of stagnating. And although I'm a fan of his, it was probably right to change the manager if that was the case. Problem being that they didn't realise this and tried to make it work, which they couldn't and it all came to a head 5 days before the season started. We then have a manager who does a debatable job, but after he has a chance to bring some of his own players in we're back to more or less top 6 form. He then gets ill and can't continue. And that is what's lead to threads like this where we're doubting what is to come, which have been multiplied by the link to Martinez as manager.
So, what is it we expect? Further turmoil as in the last 12-months or investment and progress as per the previous 4 years? Did we think it would be a steady and even rise to glory or that we'd have to ride out the rough bits like every club does?
The ultimate question is do we still have a bright future? Lets see who the new manager is and what money he's given before we decide. Time for this thread is 01/09/11.
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However, when Randy took over there was this vision of a "Bright Future" sold to the fans and we made steps towards getting there under MON. Since he left there is the feeling that Randy thinks it's too hard so realise the "Bright Future" and what remains is some sort of cloudy future.
Since he left Randy has spent £24m on a striker.
The way I see it is we were on our way for the first three years under MON. Getting into Europe, buying exciting young players and actually getting nice things said about us in the media. Then in the 4th year, despite on the field results still being good, we had some issues between the manager and chairman. In truth the rate of improvement had slowed down and we were in danger of stagnating. And although I'm a fan of his, it was probably right to change the manager if that was the case. Problem being that they didn't realise this and tried to make it work, which they couldn't and it all came to a head 5 days before the season started. We then have a manager who does a debatable job, but after he has a chance to bring some of his own players in we're back to more or less top 6 form. He then gets ill and can't continue. And that is what's lead to threads like this where we're doubting what is to come, which have been multiplied by the link to Martinez as manager.
So, what is it we expect? Further turmoil as in the last 12-months or investment and progress as per the previous 4 years? Did we think it would be a steady and even rise to glory or that we'd have to ride out the rough bits like every club does?
The ultimate question is do we still have a bright future? Lets see who the new manager is and what money he's given before we decide. Time for this thread is 01/09/11.
Spot on. Keep calm and carry on.......
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However, when Randy took over there was this vision of a "Bright Future" sold to the fans and we made steps towards getting there under MON. Since he left there is the feeling that Randy thinks it's too hard so realise the "Bright Future" and what remains is some sort of cloudy future.
Since he left Randy has spent £24m on a striker.
The way I see it is we were on our way for the first three years under MON. Getting into Europe, buying exciting young players and actually getting nice things said about us in the media. Then in the 4th year, despite on the field results still being good, we had some issues between the manager and chairman. In truth the rate of improvement had slowed down and we were in danger of stagnating. And although I'm a fan of his, it was probably right to change the manager if that was the case. Problem being that they didn't realise this and tried to make it work, which they couldn't and it all came to a head 5 days before the season started. We then have a manager who does a debatable job, but after he has a chance to bring some of his own players in we're back to more or less top 6 form. He then gets ill and can't continue. And that is what's lead to threads like this where we're doubting what is to come, which have been multiplied by the link to Martinez as manager.
So, what is it we expect? Further turmoil as in the last 12-months or investment and progress as per the previous 4 years? Did we think it would be a steady and even rise to glory or that we'd have to ride out the rough bits like every club does?
The ultimate question is do we still have a bright future? Lets see who the new manager is and what money he's given before we decide. Time for this thread is 01/09/11.
The Bent money was more or less just the Milner money reinvested.
But the rest of your post is fair enough, except I would put down Houllier as a major error. My other major concern is that our rivals of the 09/10 season (City, Spurs, Liverpool) all seem to be moving well beyond us. But you are right, the time to judge is after the summer window is shut.
Early indications dont look good though. I know it's only rumours from the press, but it's all we got.
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When did we become Manchester United?
We're not Man Utd, but we should be a regular top 6 side, we need to get back there quickly and Martinez isn't the man to do it.
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As Chris Smith said yesterday, appointing Martinez would be confirmation that we've accepted our position in the pecking order as alongside Fulham and Sunderland.
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When did we become Manchester United? I ask this question as there seems to be a lot of our supporters just lately convinced we have some divine right to success and who get very upset when it doesn't happen.
How funny you say that Dave, I said the exact same thing earlier.
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My other major concern is that our rivals of the 09/10 season (City, Spurs, Liverpool) all seem to be moving well beyond us.
It would probably have only been 3 years ago under Ramos when Spurs fans were probably saying the same about us. Whether they've truely moved beyond us or just had a better season will become clear soon, but lets wait and see.
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The Bent money was more or less just the Milner money reinvested.
"Just"?
We smashed our transfer record at a time when the general perception was that didn't have 2 cents to rub together. I don't think that is something that we should downplay the significance of.
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Outcast2006, i agree with you 100%
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The Bent money was more or less just the Milner money reinvested.
"Just"?
We smashed our transfer record at a time when the general perception was that didn't have 2 cents to rub together. I don't think that is something that we should downplay the significance of.
My point was that we lost 1 star player, got in 1 star player, albeit 6 months too late. We're about to lose another star player (maybe more). If Randy doesnt want to put any more of his own money into the club that's fair enough, he has put a lot in already. But IF that is the case, were looking at finishing 7th-10th at best. But John M is right, we should wait until the end of Aug before any judgments can be made....then again this is an internet forum, so why not speculate away...................
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As Chris Smith said yesterday, appointing Martinez would be confirmation that we've accepted our position in the pecking order as alongside Fulham and Sunderland.
I dont normally agree with Chris - but hes right in my view.
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I do not believe we are manure or that we have a divine right to succes
I believed the board when they suggested that we were aiming to bring back our glory days. I guess when they said that some of us though back to competing at the top of the table when in fact the board meant the glory days of top half finishes and the odd good cup run.
I BELIEVED the board too !!
Just a difference of historical thinking I guess
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When did we become Manchester United? I ask this question as there seems to be a lot of our supporters just lately convinced we have some divine right to success and who get very upset when it doesn't happen.
Can I associate myself with the remarks of my learned friend here?
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A slightly depressing synopsis there, but there are some fair points in there, being a diehard Villa fan, who is a season ticket holder and been a fan for over 30-years I've seen a lot of changes.
The general consensus of people outside the club is that Villa fans are largely a bunch of hard to please, whinging, demanding lot.
Should we be bothered by that view? There is nothing wrong with demanding the best things possible for our football club, but I do have to admit that a lot of us do take it to a whole new level. By saying things like 'i won't go to Villa if Person A, B, or C are manager, really is not helpful is it. If you've seen half a dozen games and we are generally woeful then fair enough, but to castigate people before we've had a chance to see their work is pretty poor.
I've seen posts saying that people will stop supporting Villa, or going to games if Mclaren, Benitez, Coyle, Martinez are appointed, I mean, what's the point of that? But people of that mindset, of the mindset to criticise and to actively boo and not support our own team and players has become more and more prevalent over the recent years. I've been a season ticket holder for over 20-years and although we gave people like Cascarino, Ormondroyd, Callaghan stick, at least it was done after we'd seen them play a few times and fully deserved These days we're on a players back after half an hour on the pitch, and on a managers back within a couple of weeks, or in this case, before they've even arrived at the club!
I don't live in Birmingham, and I hear peoples views on Villa from afar, people not from Birmingham, and I tell you, Villa fans are known for being moaners, and generally as not great backers of their team. Opposition managers know that if they can keep things tight for 20-minutes then us fans are going to start to crucify our own players, sapping their confidence and giving the oppostition a boost, this is a factor in why our home record has been so average in the past couple of seasons I am certain.
We have some great great fans at Villa, I know, I sit with lots and lots of them and most of the people i've sat next to over the years have been fantastic, but there's an increasingly vocal voice of negativity at the club which is hanging over the club.
So, whoever is appointed, whatever our first impressions are and preconceived notions are, GIVE THEM A BLOODY CHANCE, support them, and if by November things aren't good, THEN criticise, but please, let's be positive, let's encourage, and let's see how the new man does, whoever it may be.
I would never boo the team when they are playing, a few twats sitting next to me in the lower Trinity do that.
I dont beleive Martinez is the right man to take this club where we want to be - Top 6 again. Im going by his previous records in the top flight, you cant include Swansea - they were in a different division! If he becomes our manager - fine, he will get my support but I think the board here is making an appointment mistake, like Houllier.
I doubt he will be able to attract the kind of player we want to see at VP.
Im all for giving them a chance but with the negativity surrounding the club at the moment, its hardly going to make us feel enthusiastic with the calibre manager of Martinez. A continental manager with pedigree will attract the kind of players we want. With Randy and the cheque book open, a damn good kit, all the deadwood players moved on, a full house on the first day of the new season and things are bright again. Its a long way off right now.
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When did we become Manchester United? I ask this question as there seems to be a lot of our supporters just lately convinced we have some divine right to success and who get very upset when it doesn't happen.
Surely we have as much right to success as Manchester United or any other club?
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When did we become Manchester United? I ask this question as there seems to be a lot of our supporters just lately convinced we have some divine right to success and who get very upset when it doesn't happen.
Surely we have as much right to success as Manchester United or any other club?
We may not have as much right to success but we certainly should have the same right to compete.
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The 'proud history, bright future' Gumpf served it's purpose.
It created a feelgood factor without ever having any real substance behind it.
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I noticed walking through the White Rose shopping centre in Leeds that they too have adopted "Proud History, Bright Future" as their slogan for their current season ticket push.
The robdog tramps.
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At least we're not Leeds . Oh wait.
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Everton gave a chance to Moyes. Spurs gave a chance to Redknapp. We gave chances to Sir Brian and Sir Graham. None of those managers (yes, yes Harry won 1 FA Cup) had really pulled up any trees at the top level before they went onto good careers at the top level of English football. Maybe Martinez has it in him to get to that level given the right circumstances.
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i think the board gave it their best shot and we maybe a darren bent away from cracking it a couplle of years ago- sadly the dream is well and truly dead and we must scrap for 7th to 10th at best for the foreseeable future i feel- at least we have our memories of the glory years- well some of us do!
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Everton gave a chance to Moyes. Spurs gave a chance to Redknapp. We gave chances to Sir Brian and Sir Graham. None of those managers (yes, yes Harry won 1 FA Cup) had really pulled up any trees at the top level before they went onto good careers at the top level of English football. Maybe Martinez has it in him to get to that level given the right circumstances.
You only have to look at what Mourinho has achieved to see that Martinez might not be the worst option. I like Martinez, he had Swansea playing attractive football and I don't think he's done too bad at Wigan considering the restraints he's working under. Imagine having to sell a club to a potential recruit by saying "do well here and you might get signed by a big club". I'm surprised he's stuck with Wigan for so long, there must be a certain loyalty to Whelan which might be something RL is attracted to.
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"do well here and you might get signed by a big club"
At the moment, that might actually be true of our current players and new recruits!
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"do well here and you might get signed by a big club"
At the moment, that might actually be true of our current players and new recruits!
That's exactly the level we're at right now.
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Everton gave a chance to Moyes. Spurs gave a chance to Redknapp. We gave chances to Sir Brian and Sir Graham. None of those managers (yes, yes Harry won 1 FA Cup) had really pulled up any trees at the top level before they went onto good careers at the top level of English football. Maybe Martinez has it in him to get to that level given the right circumstances.
Jesus Christ, when are people going to stop using shit comparisons as justification for this absolutely dire potential appointment? All of those managers did a damn sight better than being the second lowest scorers in the Premier League two years running, being spanked on a regular basis, and staying up by the skin of their teeth. If we'd had a manager who'd been in charge for a 9-1 and an 8-0 defeat in the same season, he'd have been strung up by now.
Wigan might try and pass the ball a bit, but they don't score any goals, concede a shit load, and hardly win any games. Most of Martinez's signings have been crap as well.
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I noticed walking through the White Rose shopping centre in Leeds
It's like Hull with a roof that place. Horrible.
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Somehow due to beg, borrow and stealing, ST is renewed. Cant wait until the next home game. Come on you Villa Boys
I'm with you Moet! I have my favourites for the manager post but that doesn't really matter. Season just ended, but I'm gagging for the new one to start! Whoever is appointed should get our full support. It will be interestin to see what new players come in and how we play without Ash. It's exciting!
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I noticed walking through the White Rose shopping centre in Leeds
It's like Hull with a roof that place. Horrible.
Worse chavs as well! IMHO
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Everton gave a chance to Moyes. Spurs gave a chance to Redknapp. We gave chances to Sir Brian and Sir Graham. None of those managers (yes, yes Harry won 1 FA Cup) had really pulled up any trees at the top level before they went onto good careers at the top level of English football. Maybe Martinez has it in him to get to that level given the right circumstances.
Jesus Christ, when are people going to stop using shit comparisons as justification for this absolutely dire potential appointment? All of those managers did a damn sight better than being the second lowest scorers in the Premier League two years running, being spanked on a regular basis, and staying up by the skin of their teeth. If we'd had a manager who'd been in charge for a 9-1 and an 8-0 defeat in the same season, he'd have been strung up by now.
Wigan might try and pass the ball a bit, but they don't score any goals, concede a shit load, and hardly win any games. Most of Martinez's signings have been crap as well.
firstly as it's a "potential appointment" it means we haven't actually made the appointment, so stop being so dramatic. Second, they are all legitimate comparisons. Each of those managers when given greater resources improved. Your entire logic is that Martinez will always operate at this level so he will never be qualified for a job like ours. My argument is that maybe he's learning and will improve given that opportunity.
As I've said, he's not close to being my number one choice because there are more accomplished candidates. But even though he's had two disappointing years at the top level at Wigan shouldn't make him untouchable either. If that's the case, Spurs would never have hired Redknapp, because up until the FA Cup he was awful.
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As I've said, he's not close to being my number one choice because there are more accomplished candidates. But even though he's had two disappointing years at the top level at Wigan shouldn't make him untouchable either. If that's the case, Spurs would never have hired Redknapp, because up until the FA Cup he was awful.
Apart from finishing 5th and 8th with West Ham, taking them into Europe, developing one of the finest generations of English footballers, and winning the Championship, finishing 9th (their highest league position in 50 years) and winning the FA Cup with Portsmouth you mean?
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As I've said, he's not close to being my number one choice because there are more accomplished candidates. But even though he's had two disappointing years at the top level at Wigan shouldn't make him untouchable either. If that's the case, Spurs would never have hired Redknapp, because up until the FA Cup he was awful.
Apart from finishing 5th and 8th with West Ham, taking them into Europe, developing one of the finest generations of English footballers, and winning the Championship, finishing 9th (their highest league position in 50 years) and winning the FA Cup with Portsmouth you mean?
You forgot the relegations.
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As I've said, he's not close to being my number one choice because there are more accomplished candidates. But even though he's had two disappointing years at the top level at Wigan shouldn't make him untouchable either. If that's the case, Spurs would never have hired Redknapp, because up until the FA Cup he was awful.
Apart from finishing 5th and 8th with West Ham, taking them into Europe, developing one of the finest generations of English footballers, and winning the Championship, finishing 9th (their highest league position in 50 years) and winning the FA Cup with Portsmouth you mean?
You forgot the relegations.
very conveniently
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I didn't forget anything. Yes Redknapp has had relegations, but he's also got a lot of positives on his CV which you wouldn't think to read TV's posts. Certainly a lot more than Martinez, whose Wigan team can't score goals, can't defend, can't string two wins together more than once in two years, and whose transfers have been 95% shit. Seriously, exactly WHAT has Martinez got to recommend him?
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When did we become Manchester United? I ask this question as there seems to be a lot of our supporters just lately convinced we have some divine right to success and who get very upset when it doesn't happen.
Surely we have as much right to success as Manchester United or any other club?
Indeed we do - absolutely no right at all.
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I still believe we have a Bright Future-and we have a Proud History of that their is no doubt. :D
I think if Roberto Martinez is given the position he is a young, passionate, vibrant, team building manager.
Quite a difference to the man who has stepped down and someone I can get behind. Lets also think of players who may come in with him? N'Zogbia to replace Ash wouldnt be bad and we may make a hefty profit too. :)
I think many mistakes were made last season but Randy Lerner is not a man who wants to make those mistakes again, unfortunately the poor season has caused players to want to leave, unrest for the club and the fans and not the best PR for new sponsors.
However we will rise again from 9th (which was better than the performances or management merited)
because we are the Mighty Villa!! and no one will tell us otherwise.
The Holte Army will move on and the B*stards in Claret and Blue will lay waste to those wastelands like the Theatre of Beans, Panfield, Brandford Squidge and White Fart Pain!!
Lets not look in the transfer market for greedy premadonnas but bright young things like Bannan, Delph and Clark who want to prove to the world that they can be the next, Messi, Iniesta etc
So we will wave the Lion above our heards and roar like only Villans Roar!!
Villa Till I Die
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I just think Randy, Faulkner and whoever else is on the board are shit at appointing managers. We need someone like Graham Taylor involved in the hierachy of the club who understand football.
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I just think Randy, Faulkner and whoever else is on the board are shit at appointing managers. We need someone like Graham Taylor involved in the hierachy of the club who understand football.
That would be the Graham Taylor last seen being booed off the pitch.
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I just think Randy, Faulkner and whoever else is on the board are shit at appointing managers. We need someone like Graham Taylor involved in the hierachy of the club who understand football.
That would be the Graham Taylor last seen being booed off the pitch.
Yes, by a few morons Dave.
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SGT is my hero - and , if you meant that Dave, you are out of order.
But , lets face it, if SGT had input - we'd have appointed McLaren by now - thats who he said we should hire on the telly.
Yes I agree they need advice, but someone with a bit more modern day thinking. Unfortunately, I actually thought that was the point in bringing in Houllier - so this would never happen again !
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I just think Randy, Faulkner and whoever else is on the board are shit at appointing managers. We need someone like Graham Taylor involved in the hierachy of the club who understand football.
That would be the Graham Taylor last seen being booed off the pitch.
Yes, by a few morons Dave.
That's what I mean - times change. Sir Graham's advice is always worth seeking but Fuckwits Anonymous chose to make tits of themselves. Now he's rightly regarded as a wise head who we should rely on. Actually, that's another of our problems - we've never had the sort of Presidential father figure we can rely on to smooth things over.
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Now seems like ancient history, but if he hadn't been tempted/persuaded to have one last crack at management, I could see Graham Taylor still being on the board. His knowledge and experience are what we need, especially at this moment.
Faulker inspires me with the zero confidence, and, now at the second time of asking, I'm beginning to wonder about Randy's abilities when it comes to selecting the right man.
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I just think Randy, Faulkner and whoever else is on the board are shit at appointing managers. We need someone like Graham Taylor involved in the hierachy of the club who understand football.
That would be the Graham Taylor last seen being booed off the pitch.
And the Graham Taylor who recommended GH to the board last time.
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I just think Randy, Faulkner and whoever else is on the board are shit at appointing managers. We need someone like Graham Taylor involved in the hierachy of the club who understand football.
That would be the Graham Taylor last seen being booed off the pitch.
And the Graham Taylor who recommended GH to the board last time.
What I'd do to have Ged back.
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i think the board gave it their best shot and we maybe a darren bent away from cracking it a couplle of years ago- sadly the dream is well and truly dead and we must scrap for 7th to 10th at best for the foreseeable future i feel- at least we have our memories of the glory years- well some of us do!
I don't understand why you think the dream is well and truly dead? - if a new man comes in within the next 10 days, he'll have a complete close-season in which to shape a new fighting unit, basing it on the core of a decent squad of fresh, young players; he'll doubtless get the funds to recruit into our current areas of weakness; and we'll be competing next season.
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Randy problem is he just want to find the right person and leave it to them but he take long time to choose. He should have a former Aston Villa manager to help him to look for replacement ie Ron Atkinson or Brian Little.
I think it is time for us to appoint a former player/manager on board. We have that in the past with like of John Devey, Howard Spencer. How about someone like Des Bremner as he got business background and work for PFA.
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Not sure where to post this and don't know how to start a new thread (I don't even know where to find thread categories, but....for a bit of nostalgia angel is playing for la galaxy on espn now, playing well too....
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What's the f**king point?
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What's the f**king point?
That's not very nice to Mattjpa! Perhaps he was associating JPA with our proud history.
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Proud History yes :) Bright future...errrrrm NOPE! :'(
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What's the f**king point?
None whatsoever may as well all give up and kill ourselves.
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Proud History yes :) Bright future...errrrrm NOPE! :'(
Utter nonsense! How do you know we dont have a bright future?? You, along with lots of others seem to have bought into this whole sky sports idea that football doesnt exist outside the Champions League. I for one, would rather see our club continue than break itself chasing this bullshit 'ambition'. We clearly cant compete at the moment with the mega-money boys, that doesn't make RL a coward or a cynical exploiter of our collective love of our club. He took a very expensive punt, trusted MON without much interference and it failed. Now he's trying to rescue the situation and all he seems to get from some sections of our support is ignorant, cynical sneering. I get the impression that some people out there secretly love it when we're under pressure as a club and cant wait to get stuck into the board/ manager etc. It's hardly suprising that other fans see us as a bunch of whingers with an over inflated view of our own importance
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Proud History yes :) Bright future...errrrrm NOPE! :'(
Utter nonsense! How do you know we dont have a bright future?? You, along with lots of others seem to have bought into this whole sky sports idea that football doesnt exist outside the Champions League. I for one, would rather see our club continue than break itself chasing this bullshit 'ambition'. We clearly cant compete at the moment with the mega-money boys, that doesn't make RL a coward or a cynical exploiter of our collective love of our club. He took a very eexpensive punt, trusted MON without much interference and it failed. Now he's trying to rescue the situation and all he seems to get from some sections of our support is ignorant, cynical sneering. I get the impression that some people out there secretly love it when we're under pressure as a club and cant wait to get stuck into the board/ manager etc. It's hardly suprising that other fans see us as a bunch of whingers with an over inflated view of our own importance
And how do you know we will have a bright future? No one knows whats install for villa and we are just expressing how we/I feel about it. At the end of the day, there was a 5 yr plan in place to try and break into the champions league which unfortunately hasn't worked out so now we have to start over all again. It gets annoying that we continously keep losing our best players every season which puts a holt on our progress as a club. Yes, I do not want to us to put ourselves in financial difficulty but there is a part of everyone that wants us to be successful as we have been waiting for a very long time for it. The fact the club are not communicating with the fans is also frustrating more than anything. We don't know where we stand half the time. At the end of the day, I spend my hard earned cash at villa just like a number of others out there and all im asking for from the club is some clarity of whats going on thats all and what are our plans moving forward as cleary plan A failed so whats is the new strategy and what can the fans expect. I would prefer to hear it from AVFC not the press who make up their own stuff.
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Proud History yes :) Bright future...errrrrm NOPE! :'(
Utter nonsense! How do you know we dont have a bright future?? You, along with lots of others seem to have bought into this whole sky sports idea that football doesnt exist outside the Champions League. I for one, would rather see our club continue than break itself chasing this bullshit 'ambition'. We clearly cant compete at the moment with the mega-money boys, that doesn't make RL a coward or a cynical exploiter of our collective love of our club. He took a very eexpensive punt, trusted MON without much interference and it failed. Now he's trying to rescue the situation and all he seems to get from some sections of our support is ignorant, cynical sneering. I get the impression that some people out there secretly love it when we're under pressure as a club and cant wait to get stuck into the board/ manager etc. It's hardly suprising that other fans see us as a bunch of whingers with an over inflated view of our own importance
And how do you know we will have a bright future? No one knows whats install for villa and we are just expressing how we/I feel about it. At the end of the day, there was a 5 yr plan in place to try and break into the champions league which unfortunately hasn't worked out so now we have to start over all again. It gets annoying that we continously keep losing our best players every season which puts a holt on our progress as a club. Yes, I do not want to us to put ourselves in financial difficulty but there is a part of everyone that wants us to be successful as we have been waiting for a very long time for it. The fact the club are not communicating with the fans is also frustrating more than anything. We don't know where we stand half the time. At the end of the day, I spend my hard earned cash at villa just like a number of others out there and all im asking for from the club is some clarity of whats going on thats all and what are our plans moving forward as cleary plan A failed so whats is the new strategy and what can the fans expect. I would prefer to hear it from AVFC not the press who make up their own stuff.
I know how you feel Rick having supported the club from the early 60's. Why cant we all just wait and see what happens pre-season, rather than looking at worst case scenario and assuming it will inevitably go tits up ? I've always thought of AVFC as family and when we're under attack from hostile journos the last thing we should be doing is fuelling the fire by jumping on the bandwagon and attacking the club on the basis of unsubstantiated rumours
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I know how you feel Rick having supported the club from the early 60's. Why cant we all just wait and see what happens pre-season, rather than looking at worst case scenario and assuming it will inevitably go tits up ? I've always thought of AVFC as family and when we're under attack from hostile journos the last thing we should be doing is fuelling the fire by jumping on the bandwagon and attacking the club on the basis of unsubstantiated rumours
This notion that we're the subject of a baying pack of assailants in the form of the press is the stuff of nonsense.
We look like a club in the act of going backward right now because, whatever the reason, that is what we are.
Sell Downing and that's four of our best players in three summers. Every club has to do that some times, but that's not the point, the point is that we're doing it every year without fail.
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Well put Pauliebentnuts its what most villa fans who i know and myself feel at the moment.
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I know how you feel Rick having supported the club from the early 60's. Why cant we all just wait and see what happens pre-season, rather than looking at worst case scenario and assuming it will inevitably go tits up ? I've always thought of AVFC as family and when we're under attack from hostile journos the last thing we should be doing is fuelling the fire by jumping on the bandwagon and attacking the club on the basis of unsubstantiated rumours
This notion that we're the subject of a baying pack of assailants in the form of the press is the stuff of nonsense.
We look like a club in the act of going backward right now because, whatever the reason, that is what we are.
Sell Downing and that's four of our best players in three summers. Every club has to do that some times, but that's not the point, the point is that we're doing it every year without fail.
We wouldn't be selling the players if they weren't desperate to go. Why do they want to leave us so much? Because they see far greater prospects of winning trophies and developing their careers at clubs like Liverpool and Man Utd.
It's not a problem that has only arisen in the last few seasons but has been there for about 20 years now. As fondly as we all remember 82, it means diddley squat to most premiership players who were not even born back then.
In most peoples minds Villa are associated with continual failure and underachievement, a graveyard for ambition. I don't know if you can pin the blame for that on any one person or group of people, it's just the way it is.
The 'proud history, bright future' thing gave us all a warm fuzzy feeling for a while, maby made a few people go to a few more games or buy a replica shirt again, but it was total bullshit really.
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The Downing saga or lack of it sums it up, Look how fans were engaged about Barry and then to a lesser extent Milner. Now we are making some sort of statement by playing it tough on Downing, pathetic.
If the Club do have a strategy its probably one that they dare not comunicate openly.
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What's the f**king point?
Proud history, doughnut. prob our best forward of the recent era live on tv. Makes me proud, you know?
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'Proud history, great marketing slogan.'