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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: UsualSuspect on June 09, 2011, 08:18:13 AM
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Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere but last night I heard Pat Murphy on Radio 5 saying that Benitez was spoken to about managing us and had asked for a £30 million transfer kitty and this was turned down.
Bearing in mind that AY should bring in 15, does this mean that Randy aint going stump up 15 million??
We need a good quality goalkeeper, another centre half, central midfielder and a replacement for AY and if we aren't going to have 30 million I would question the quality we are going to bring in
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Out defence needs a total re-vamp which means Randy will be spending more money than he initially thought he'd have to this summer.
Plus we need someone to replace Ash, best replacement would probably be N'Zogbia who'll cost around 12 million, maybe more.
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I think Pat Murphy was talking through his arse, not for the first time.
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I think Pat Murphy was talking through his arse, not for the first time.
True.
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Sell Ashley Young for £16m. Sign NZogbia to replace him.
(If we) Sell Downing for £22m. Sign Jarvis or Etherington or another unknown I can't think of.
Sign Johson & Foster from the shit.
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I heard Ash will be going for more like £20 million. If he has to unfortunately leave Villa, lets hold Fergie to ransom! Afterall, they don't mind spending £15 million on someone I only heard for the first time a couple of months ago.
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Unless you're best mates with Randy Learner, and sit on thẹ board then everything you read or hear is just total speculation by people trying to sell newspapers or fill time on radio/tv shows. Even when we appoint a new manager, whoever that may be, we still wont be privy to thẹ true figures regarding transfer budgets.
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Knowing Rafa he wanted £30m on top of what we bring in, it still wouldn't have been enough for that wanker, money manager nothin else.
If henderson is worth £16m Downing is worth £32m
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I think Pat Murphy was talking through his arse, not for the first time.
True.
I wouldn't take much notice of what Prat Murphy says, he's come out with some complete bollocks in the past.
The articles he used to do on Villa in The Birmingham Post were poorly researched.
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Unless you're best mates with Randy Learner, and sit on thẹ board then everything you read or hear is just total speculation by people trying to sell newspapers or fill time on radio/tv shows. Even when we appoint a new manager, whoever that may be, we still wont be privy to thẹ true figures regarding transfer budgets.
So when Benitez speaks to us and then rules himself out of the job why do you think that might be?
Going for a Manager unproven in the PL who will bring the best out of our young players without having a lot to spend sounds like the recipe for a fuck up to me
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I think Randy will have funds available for the new manager whoever it is there is a lot of work to be done in the transfer window so I would assume he would make money available to him.
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Has anyone actually 100% ruled themselves out of thẹ job. Unless I actually see Hughes, Benitez, Moyes et al on thẹ tv saying I have no interest in thẹ Villa job then take what you read in thẹ press with a pinch of salt.
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Rafa fought at his last two positions about him needing "More transfer kitty" Do you recall how many transfers he made at Liverpool. I would want someone to tell me how he can raise cash from current players, what his plan is to develop youth, and his choices for a number of positions. Not "This is how much money I want" I figure it didnt go like this, just what Sky Sports expected happened
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Maybe Benitez, as predicted, demanded total autonomy and the Board were unwilling to give it as they got their fingers burned with O'Neill. If he was then asked why they didn't give him the job he has said Villa have no money as this is less likely to put off potential employers.
Or maybe there is no money.
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From the noise Mysteryman has made it seems that we haven't even interviewed Benitez and certainly not discussed a transfer kitty with him.
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Yes, but he seems to have no more idea what is going on than the rest of us. Just about every media source has reported we interviewed Benitez.
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Personally if the Martinez rumours are right (and lets face it we have approached him), then i reckon the cost cutting is in full effect. I expect a much smaller squad, no more 10+m plus players and a sell to buy policy. A bit more cash than he had a Wigan but not much - Everton MK2
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Personally if the Martinez rumours are right (and lets face it we have approached him), then i reckon the cost cutting is in full effect. I expect a much smaller squad, no more 10+m plus players and a sell to buy policy. A bit more cash than he had a Wigan but not much - Everton MK2
My sentiments exactly
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I may disagree with Martinez as a candidate but I've no doubt he would be backed in the transfer market at least.
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I believe if we were willing to spend big money we would be after a far better candidate than Martinez.
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I think the whole idea of Martinez is to get a decent manager with a lot to prove who will be willing to come to us with a limited budget whereas a well established name such as Benitez wouldn't.
More worrying is what happens if martinez doesn't fancy us??
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i reckon if ashley goes, you're talking 20m tops. If Martinez can offload any of the others then a bit more on top of that. As i said, a much more slimline squad with probably the youth players replacing the deadwood. Bottom line is the wage bill was too high last summer and with the purchase of Bent, Makoun and Bradley(?) it hasn't gone down much - probably roughly the same if you factor in the departures. Still we'll find out soon enough i guess.
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Some articles saying Rafa wanted 60m - lol.
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Some articles saying Rafa wanted 60m - lol.
Entirely possible if it includes wages or potential sales.
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I would ignore the normal shit coming from Sky Sports news
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I believe if we were willing to spend big money we would be after a far better candidate than Martinez.
Agree.
We'll be shopping in the clearance bins if he's appointed.
Grim.
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Some articles saying Rafa wanted 60m - lol.
Except he hasnt been interviewed so when did he ask for that?
Welcome to silly season. Now with extra sillyness.
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We are not going to give away how much we have to spend to a potential manager who, if not appointed, is then free to blab it to the press.
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I think that a new manager will probably be told this is the squad if you want to change it you do that yourself by selling some to generate funds or making what you have better.
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Some articles saying Rafa wanted 60m - lol.
That is around the type of investment needed unless we're happy to remain mid-table mediocrity...at best!
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Some articles saying Rafa wanted 60m - lol.
New GK - 10 million
Centre half - 10 million
central midfielder - 10 million
AY replacement - 10 million plus
60 million wouldnt have been taking the piss IMO
That is around the type of investment needed unless we're happy to remain mid-table mediocrity...at best!
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We are not going to give away how much we have to spend to a potential manager who, if not appointed, is then free to blab it to the press.
I imagine they have to give a manager some sort of ballpark budget figure otherwise you can't tell them what your hoping to achieve
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Some articles saying Rafa wanted 60m - lol.
New GK - 10 million
Centre half - 10 million
central midfielder - 10 million
AY replacement - 10 million plus
That is around the type of investment needed unless we're happy to remain mid-table mediocrity...at best!
"60 million wouldnt have been taking the piss IMO"
Not including wages though.......or a left back.
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I forgot every player in the world costs 10m minimum. Sorry. My bad.
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Our transfer kitty = Our squad.
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I forgot every player in the world costs 10m minimum. Sorry. My bad.
So what do you suggest einstein???
Continually spending 5-6 million on players only to find out that they are rubbish so we let them go for nothing or at a massive loss?
So tell me how much you would expect to pay for say paul Robinson or Ben Foster?
How much would you expect to pay for say Samba?
How about a creative midfielder?
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You can spend £1m on a player and he turns out to be the dogs bits, and spend £50m on a player who turns out to be a let down. Obviously the more you spend, the better chance of getting quality, but it pretty far from nailed on. Our best 3 players in the last 25 years, McGrath 400K, Platt 200k, Yorke 100k. Admittedly transfer fees were much lower then, but with the exception of Macca, the other 2 were peanuts even then. In terms of what we need to progress, who knows? A manager that can spot a bargain would be a good start but there's no reason why £10m + what we get in wouldn't put us back on track with O'Neills acheivements, spent well.
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It all depends on the extent of our ambition.
If we want to be up there punching with the big boys, I think we would need to spend in excess of £40 mill this summer. If Spurs, City and Liverpool are spending big money on the likes of Modric, Silva and now Henderson, we have to at least match that kind of spending.
If not we are fighting for the 7th-10th places.
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I forgot every player in the world costs 10m minimum. Sorry. My bad.
So what do you suggest einstein???
Continually spending 5-6 million on players only to find out that they are rubbish so we let them go for nothing or at a massive loss?
So tell me how much you would expect to pay for say paul Robinson or Ben Foster?
How much would you expect to pay for say Samba?
How about a creative midfielder?
Thanks for the sarcastic "Einstein", next time just say a petty insult like you're thinking.
We could spent 10m on Foster, around 7m on Robinson and whatever silly price Samba is, true. Or we could shop around, look around, see what's happening. There's hundreds of leagues out there with good players in. I wouldn't remotely be after Samba. Arsenal will be, among others, so why would we get lured into a bidding war.
I would look to spend big on a goalkeeper, that's one area we shouldn't skimp. Of course, there are many good keepers available for less than 10m. We were apparently after Ali Al Habsi. I've been wishing us to sign Jussi for years - he wouldn't have cost 10m.
I imagine there's dozens of talented creative players playing around the world that would cost less than 10m and 60k wages. And no, don't ask me for examples. That isn't what I'm paid for. It's what our "scouts" are paid for. And it's what they don't go. People are talking about Wigan a lot, due to Martinez. They'd brought in Valencia, Rodallega and Diame for a combined like, what, 14m? That's what scouting systems can do. It's what we should be doing. I don't want to spend 10m on Samba when we could drop 5m on a player just as good plying his trade outside of England.
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We havent been able to do that over the past 5 seasons so what has changed now?
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We havent been able to do that over the past 5 seasons so what has changed now?
Well, the manager is about to be, or had you forgot!!
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Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere but last night I heard Pat Murphy on Radio 5 saying that Benitez was spoken to about managing us and had asked for a £30 million transfer kitty and this was turned down.
Bearing in mind that AY should bring in 15, does this mean that Randy aint going stump up 15 million??
Honestly, when interviewing a guy for any business, you don't want to hand the keys over to the guy that says he needs £30M to improve, because the next thing he'll ask for is another £30M. You take the guy who tells you he can make due with what you have, and THEN you hand him £30M.
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if a would be manager fails an interview, he may want to save face, so says a transfer kitty is not big enough? Just a thought? I for one dont want every poxy team in the world knowing how much or how little we have to spend. That is just crazy talk. People are making up stories as Villa as ever are not telling anyone anything. That doesnt sell papers, but it makes us very respectable and doing things in a good, and careful way in my opinion. I trust our men to get the best possible solution for Villa. Not for Talkshite, or Man U fans, or R5 or SkySports. Long may it continue. If a guy wants to bring players in, I want to know what he is going to do with players not in his plans, how he will trim wage bill and maximise revenue. I dont want a team running on 107% turnover on wages a la City otherwise we have a crazy owner. And Randy doesnt come across crazy. Infact far from it. He seems like someone I would like to work for, and im glad he owns my team.
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I don't believe for one nano second that Rafa said
'I'll take the job, but I want a £30m transfer budget.'
And even if he did, Prat Murphy would be the last person to know about it.
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I don't believe for one nano second that Rafa said
'I'll take the job, but I want a £30m transfer budget.'
And even if he did, Prat Murphy would be the last person to know about it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1221975/Rafa-Benitezs-229m-spending-spree-The-76-players-signed-Liverpool-managers-reign.html
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I think 15m plus 16m from Ashley Young will be enough to spend. We need mostly a GK, a RB and an Attacking Midfielder or a Winger.
Foster/Given, Kyle Walker should be brought already.
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pat murphy knows less than my left testicle when it comes to the villa...
he is a shit talking arsehole, because he is pissed off that he gets no snippets of info anymore...
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It all depends on the extent of our ambition.
If we want to be up there punching with the big boys, I think we would need to spend in excess of £40 mill this summer. If Spurs, City and Liverpool are spending big money on the likes of Modric, Silva and now Henderson, we have to at least match that kind of spending.
If not we are fighting for the 7th-10th places.
Liverpool "spending big" on Henderson actually contradicts your point - we do not have to get ripped off for average English players just to meet the 6+5 rule.
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depends on the manager we bring in
manager with a reputation = healthy transfer kitty
"up and coming manager" (a la martinez) = not a very healthy transfer kitty
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I don't believe for one nano second that Rafa said
'I'll take the job, but I want a £30m transfer budget.'
And even if he did, Prat Murphy would be the last person to know about it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1221975/Rafa-Benitezs-229m-spending-spree-The-76-players-signed-Liverpool-managers-reign.html
Goodness me, there's some royal bollocks amongst that lot. I know he's done well with a few notable signings, there is a lot of junk in that list for a lot of money that club allegedly didn't have. I can see why we might be a little hesitant to give him the keys to the vault even if he is qualified as a manager for the job.