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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Louzie0 on May 29, 2011, 09:12:37 PM
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The other guy (Hammam) has just been discredited by the ethics committee and has withdrawn.
Sepp also went before the ethics committee and - goodness me - passed.
Gosh what a gratifying result for him. However, what about the election? it's on wednesday. Can't anybody else stand? It's all a bit convenient without an opposition candidate. Or completely and utterly bent and corrupt with hundreds of millions of pounds/dollars/choose your currency at stake.
Do Interpol have a 'graft' team? Let's hope they get busy.
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There can be a challenge to the agenda on Wednesday but it will need 75% backing but would stop the election going ahead; seems unlikely.
My hope is that once the full investigation takes place it shines a light on all the murky dealings within FIFA, but again I'm not holding my breath.
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What a ghastly organisation. Any chance there will ever be a break away by any group of countries from Fifa's clutches?
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What would it take to get a 75%+ objection?
If any of the 'guests' or 'hidden' readers have any contacts, then now is the time. Sepp hasn't been this vulnerable for years.
Let's clean out the stables!
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I don't know what all the fuss is about. Jeffrey Archer just told me he is FIFA President and I have no reason to doubt his word.
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What would it take to get a 75%+ objection?
If any of the 'guests' or 'hidden' readers have any contacts, then now is the time. Sepp hasn't been this vulnerable for years.
Let's clean out the stables!
I am on to it, just had a word with my Mate Silvio Burlsconi, he says he will stand as long as FIFA takes controll of Beach Volley Ball
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What would it take to get a 75%+ objection?
There are 22 members of the Exec Committee who will vote. To make 16 of them to challenge him will cost an icredible amount in bribes. Sort of thing only Roman Abramovic or Sheikh Loadsamoney Bin Hadd can afford.
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FIFA is corrupt UEFA is corrupt, the FA is full of stuffed blazers. At some point the governace of World Football will fragment. This is institutional corruption, Blatter is just the head of an organisation that is rotten to the core.
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This is ridiculous- quoted from today's Times:
In the tranquil hills above Zurich, tucked away inside the modern monolithic architecture of Fifa House, a five-man committee managed to come to a decision that clears the way for Sepp Blatter to stride unchallenged to victory in the Fifa presidential elections on Wednesday.
As the Ethics Committee heard evidence over eight hours yesterday, the three protagonists who had been submerged in the corruption scandal came and left, almost unnoticed, via the Fifa House underground car park.
Two of them, Mohamed bin Hammam, the president of the Asian football confederation, and Jack Warner, his equivalent in the Caribbean and North America, appear to have left their most senior days in the game behind them. They have only been temporarily suspended, but it means that Mr bin Hammam cannot stand in the election against Mr Blatter.
Yesterday was another triumph for Mr Blatter. In manoeuvrings off the field, he is the Barcelona of the political game, way ahead of the rest.
As all three were whisked away from Fifa building, it was left to Jérôme Valcke, the Fifa secretary-general, to try to clear up the mess and explain how and why Fifa could proceed towards the election in the face of international derision and widespread demands for it to be postponed.
Mr Valcke battled away valiantly, but he looked apologetic and brow-beaten as he stuck unerringly to the Fifa party line.
He conceded that the timing of this investigation “is the worst” and said that Fifa needed to “put in place institutional change”. Whatever changes are envisaged, they will not postpone Wednesday’s election. If change ever does come to Fifa, it will only be when Mr Blatter has been re-elected.
“There is no reason for the election not to take place,” Mr Valcke said. Asked what the international perception of the Sepp Blatter coronation on Wednesday would be, he replied: “Honestly, I have no problem with that. I don’t see what you can say that is wrong.”
The best place to start answering this statement would be the suspensions of Mr bin Hammam and Mr Warner. Petrus Damaseb, the deputy chairman of the Fifa Ethics Committee, went to great lengths to make the point that they had not been found guilty.
There was merely sufficient evidence to require a full investigation into the charges that they had arranged for cash payments in exchange for the votes of the Caribbean nations in the presidential election, and thus a suspension.
It seems allegedly SB is in it up to his neck but has a very good lawyer.
Who is policing FIFA?
They will carry on unless somebody does.
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forgot this bit - same source
Mr Blatter, meanwhile, was acquitted of all charges on account of the slimmest of technicalities. He was charged with turning a blind eye to corruption by failing to report Mr bin Hammam’s attempts to buy votes.
Mr Damaseb explained that Mr Blatter acknowledged that he had been made aware of the attempts to buy the Caribbean votes. However, because he was only made aware of the intention to buy votes and not the completion of the deal, it did not constitute a breach.When Mr Damaseb was asked why he would believe Mr Blatter’s version of the story, he replied: “Is there a reason why I should not believe him?”
Mr Valcke did concede that this “has to be” a watershed moment for Fifa. “Fifa must make the necessary changes so that the institution has systems in place to avoid that something like this happens again,” he said. “This is the pattern of the work which we have to do very quickly in the next months.”
However, Fifa and Mr Blatter have been here before. When Mr Blatter first made a successful defence of his presidency, in 2002, it was against a backdrop of corruption accusations. Mr Blatter’s accounting was publicly questioned, he ran against an opponent who campaigned on a ticket for change, Issa Hayatou, and yet still managed to manoeuvre a landslide victory.
As I said, a very effective lawyer.
What did he do when he was 'made aware'? Report them or buy a few of his own?
Forgot to credit writer - Owen Slot
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So there to hold an election with only one candidate?
If FIFA had oil we'd probably be going to war with them.
Sepp Blatter is the new Robert Mugabe
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So it seems we are stuck with Blatter again.
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I've long since given up caring what happens with the national team, so ignoring World Cups won't be a big problem for me.
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Time to institute a no-fly zone and take out the despotic leader. Or better still, tell Fifa to piss off and form a credible replacement.
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It's hard to decide who's had a worse couple of weeks - Bin Hamman or Birmingham. So basically, the head of world football Sepp Blatter thinks attempted bribery is OK if you fail, only a completed bribery deal is wrong. The way he's going he will soon be promoted to head of a small African country or maybe even the Vatican and then maybe the clean up of FIFA can begin (very large broom required).
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According to this article in yesterday's Independent (reviewing the Panorama investigation) the Swiss government may kick FIFA out of their headquarters if they keep blocking publication of an investigation into 'wrongdoing'.
Which would be nice
Sorry don't know how to do short links:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/sport-on-tv-blatter-is-dragging-investigative-journalism-into-the-gutter-2290528.html
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What a bloody junket Fifa is. How do I join?
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I've long since given up caring what happens with the national team, so ignoring World Cups won't be a big problem for me.
same here...
i said as the head of the "ethics committee" took 3 hours to tell us that they had the meeting that blatter would walk away scott free...
the slimy ****** always does...
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Can't remember who said it, but someone once said "powerful men need to be indulged or destroyed", Blatter has previously been over-indulged, they all now need to be destroyed.
After he was told by Warner that bribes had been taken,he told him Warner it should'nt happen. But as the head of an international organization, his comments make it obvious thta he is aware of the corruption going on in this organization, and his failure to act, as the head of this organization ,makes him complicit in the corruption that is going on.
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warner has made further allegations that blatter gave the concacav (?) federation computer equipment and £600k ($1m) as part of his "tidal wave"...
unfortunately, as warner is a very bitter and twisted little man, and didnt report it at the time, it could be seen as sour grapes...
i really hope they all engulf each other and we get a complete clean sweep...
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Qatar (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13592684.stm)
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Australia is demanding the money they invested in their wasted world cup bid to be refunded.We should do the same.
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According to this article in yesterday's Independent (reviewing the Panorama investigation) the Swiss government may kick FIFA out of their headquarters if they keep blocking publication of an investigation into 'wrongdoing'.
It's about time they pulled their fingers out, them being paragons of probity and all that.
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Australia is demanding the money they invested in their wasted world cup bid to be refunded.We should do the same.
We should indeed.... in the courts and do it in a way that the courts insist all papers are made available.
Throw enuff mud and eventually some will stick....
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Qatar (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13592684.stm)
What, you mean that Qatar didn't get the World Cup on merit based on the long-standing tradition of football in the country and the way that they'd help develop the game ?
I'm shocked !!
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Actually reading the latest reports from Little Jack Warner its seems FIFA is set to erupt and from within .... probably the best way of unseating Blatter and breaking up the vile organisation once and for all...unfortunately the FA seem no more capable of stepping into the breach.
The policitians are correct in saying football is the most poorly administered sport in the country yet it has far more resources at its disposal.
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Loaded with manipulation, the whole thing stinks, the one fella steps aside right in the last minutes clearing the way for Blatter to be uncontested, lets face it you could have run Lassie up against Blatter and it would have been the better choice and probably been elected, the only possible way for Blatter is, no challenge, no contest.
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I think we need to kick every single one of them out then bring in former player from each country to work together let say for example and use 75 ex players who are retired and not coaching. and to keep corruption down everyone only get 250,000 a year max salary. This means no lawyers, no businessman, etc. Maybe Each country FA can have an election for ex player to stand on behalf of their country.
Italy - Paulo Maldini
France - Zinezine Zidane
Spain - Fernando Hierro
England - David Beckham (When he hang up his boots)
Portual - Luis Figo
Sweden - Henrik Larrsson
Argentina - Diego Maradona
Brazil = Pele
Peru - Nobert Solano
Scotland - Pat Nevin
Wales - Dean Saunders
etc
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Australia is demanding the money they invested in their wasted world cup bid to be refunded.We should do the same.
We should indeed.... in the courts and do it in a way that the courts insist all papers are made available.
Throw enuff mud and eventually some will stick....
The US should do the same, enough people start requesting their investment in the 'sham' be returned and I think FIFA will have to take notice. If it becomes cheaper to buy the World Cup than to bid on it...
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I think the situation was well described in this "tweet" from H&V poster @baltipieofdoom :
"Say what you like about @seppblatter...... he's still a c***."
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I think we should call in the Kaiser to sort them out. (Franz B of Bayern Munich)
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I think we should call in the Kaiser to sort them out. (Franz B of Bayern Munich)
Oh really? (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/8544698/Fifa-president-Sepp-Blatter-doing-a-wonderful-job-says-Franz-Beckenbauer-despite-bribery-crisis.html)
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Chuck Blazer deserves all the credit for exposing them from within. I hope Blatter resigns in his 5.00PM statement. I would go for Blazer as interim with Franz Backenbauer or Michel Platini as long term replacements.
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I'm watching Blatter's press conference; complete and utter farce. He told us more about the settlement between Randy and MON than he did about the current scandals facing FIFA.
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Chuck Blazer? Great name.
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I'm watching Blatter's press conference; complete and utter farce. He told us more about the settlement between Randy and MON than he did about the current scandals facing FIFA.
How many times did he use the phrase "football family"?
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If he does stand down, with his communication skills, he'd be perfect to replace Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, the former Iraqi Minister of Information.
"Crisis, what is a crisis? Football is not in a crisis. We are not in a crisis, only in some difficulties."
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I'm watching Blatter's press conference; complete and utter farce. He told us more about the settlement between Randy and MON than he did about the current scandals facing FIFA.
How many times did he use the phrase "football family"?
It was comical. He really thinks he's the head of the mafia.
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That press conference really confirmed that the lunatics are running the asylum
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I'm watching Blatter's press conference; complete and utter farce. He told us more about the settlement between Randy and MON than he did about the current scandals facing FIFA.
How many times did he use the phrase "football family"?
It was comical. He really thinks he's the head of the mafia.
He's a ******. For what it's worth, so is Jack Warner.
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I must admit I do love how Jack Warner is now the hero of the UK press.
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He missed some important words like "I resign" and "I will not stand for Presidency" oh and "FiFA is corrupt to the core" other than that his press conference was OK!
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I'm getting a whole new feeling about playing Fifa, particularly when I know the game's cheating.
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This is Blatter what Hitler did in the Night of the Long Knives. The board daren't vote against him for sake of losing their places. Stitch up.
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That press conference really confirmed that the lunatics are running the asylum
I thought it was the 'best' worst press conference I've seen for a long time.
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He's held up in this "Fortress Fifa" stronghold, I think this is a UN job, I'm talking no-fly zone, night time bombing raids, the use of Apache helicopters and bunker busters hi tek bombs.
Even then i doubt he would resign.
Reminds you of someone else.
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He's held up in this "Fortress Fifa" stronghold, I think this is a UN job, I'm talking no-fly zone, night time bombing raids, the use of Apache helicopters and bunker busters hi tek bombs.
Even then i doubt he would resign.
Reminds you of someone else.
Gordon Brown?
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Tony Blair?
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I think we need to kick every single one of them out then bring in former player from each country to work together let say for example and use 75 ex players who are retired and not coaching. and to keep corruption down everyone only get 250,000 a year max salary. This means no lawyers, no businessman, etc. Maybe Each country FA can have an election for ex player to stand on behalf of their country.
Italy - Paulo Maldini
France - Zinezine Zidane
Spain - Fernando Hierro
England - David Beckham (When he hang up his boots)
Portual - Luis Figo
Sweden - Henrik Larrsson
Argentina - Diego Maradona
Brazil = Pele
Peru - Nobert Solano
Scotland - Pat Nevin
Wales - Dean Saunders
etc
Zidane was an ambassador for the Qatar bid and I don't think Maradona is the best figure head for a new cleaner game.
All the names listed and most pro's over the last 10 years for that matter have probably made enough money out of the game already to not be bothered about getting involved in the politics of it all.
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CRISIS ? WHAT CRISIS ?
(http://conservativehome.blogs.com/centreright/images/2009/01/21/james_callaghan_2.jpg)(http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20110530&t=2&i=425337147&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=460&pl=300&r=2011-05-30T220529Z_01_BTRE74S1IFX00_RTROPTP_0_SOCCER-FIFA)
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I'm watching Blatter's press conference; complete and utter farce. He told us more about the settlement between Randy and MON than he did about the current scandals facing FIFA.
How many times did he use the phrase "football family"?
It was comical. He really thinks he's the head of the mafia.
I currently work for an international organisation and until recently they had their very own version of Blatter. Part of my job is to look at potential fraud and corruption and there are certain "red flags" that are sure signs that something dodgy is going on. One is the "alpha male" type leader who insulates himself by surrounding himself with cronies, and it is not untypical for this person to refer to them as his "family". Where he can;t get cronies, the next best thing is to have some dirt on potential rivals. Everything is kept within the "family", thus there is no transparency and, it follows, little or no accountability. Blatter and FIFA are flying so many "red flags" it's frigging obvious what is going on, but Blatter feels safe assuming he can keep things within the "family" because they will support him. These guys tend to get complacent and contemptuously arrogant sooner or later, believing they are untouchable come what may. Blatter seems to be at that stage now. He makes Berlusconi look like a paragon of virtue.
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Blatter IS Fifa - can't see anyone standing up to him - would give Gaddafi a run for his money as
No 1 dictator
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I see the FA want FIFA to postpone the election - and for an independent body to recommend improvements to the governance of the organisation. Given the FA's record did Bernstein manage to keep a straight face when he said this?
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I see the FA want FIFA to postpone the election - and for an independent body to recommend improvements to the governance of the organisation. Given the FA's record did Bernstein manage to keep a straight face when he said this?
I know what you mean, but I'd rather them say something than nothing at all. Football is in a mess at its highest echelons and something needs to be done. England can't just walk away from the organisation sadly, so something has to be said.
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As ever money rules. Might see something happen now that their big sponsors are starting to express their displeasure with what's going on. Adidas, Coca Cola and Emirates have apparently all issued statements along the lines of they "look forward to the outcome of a transparent review" so says CNN anyway.
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Comic genius Julio Grondona (Argentina) said:
"But with the English bid I said: Let us be brief. If you give back the Falkland Islands, which belong to us, you will get my vote. They then became sad and left."
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Comic genius Julio Grondona (Argentina) said:
"But with the English bid I said: Let us be brief. If you give back the Falkland Islands, which belong to us, you will get my vote. They then became sad and left."
And that's what we're dealing with. What an utter ******.
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Comic genius Julio Grondona (Argentina) said:
"But with the English bid I said: Let us be brief. If you give back the Falkland Islands, which belong to us, you will get my vote. They then became sad and left."
The same Grondona who once said:
"‘I do not believe a Jew can ever be a referee at that level (Argentine Premier League) because it’s hard work and, you know, Jews don’t like hard work".
FIFA, to a man, are utter shits. It'd be a glorious day for football if a bomb went off when they next gather around the meeting table.
Having said that, our FA's attempt to show they're sticking it to the man is laughable. A lot of people seem to be saying we should break away, as if our English version of shameless money-grabbing and blatant corruption is any better than FIFA's.
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I think we need to kick every single one of them out then bring in former player from each country to work together let say for example and use 75 ex players who are retired and not coaching. and to keep corruption down everyone only get 250,000 a year max salary. This means no lawyers, no businessman, etc. Maybe Each country FA can have an election for ex player to stand on behalf of their country.
Italy - Paulo Maldini
France - Zinezine Zidane
Spain - Fernando Hierro
England - David Beckham (When he hang up his boots)
Portual - Luis Figo
Sweden - Henrik Larrsson
Argentina - Diego Maradona
Brazil = Pele
Peru - Nobert Solano
Scotland - Pat Nevin
Wales - Dean Saunders
etc
Zidane was an ambassador for the Qatar bid and I don't think Maradona is the best figure head for a new cleaner game.
All the names listed and most pro's over the last 10 years for that matter have probably made enough money out of the game already to not be bothered about getting involved in the politics of it all.
2.29pm: The Spanish chairman of the Fifa legal committee, Ángel María Villar Llona, has just received a rapturous applause after denouncing criticisms of Fifa and acclaiming President Blatter. "The problem of some comments in the paper came from some people who may have lost in the World Cup elections," fumed Villar Llona. "Well, we have certain professionals in information who are protected by the sacred right of information but are attacking head-on the rights of others - mainly the football leaders. It's enough. They associated us with crimes we have not committed, they insult, they attack our freedom. It's enough." He then demands that Blatter's greatness be acknowledged: "Let's talk about the main issues ... for the last 12 years this gentleman [gestures towards Blatter] has done them. He is a great president and I respect him."
2.36pm: As if to retort to the Scandinavian call for an independent inquiry, Villar Llona scoffs at the notion of anyone from outside "the football family" helping to solve any problems Fifa may have. "You are fathers," he tells the delegates. "Would you let people from the outside into your family to sort out problems?"
That's former Athletic Bilbao and Spain midfielder Ángel María Villar Llona.
I'm not sure getting a bunch of ex-players in is automatically going to be a fix-all.