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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: eastie on May 23, 2011, 12:17:50 PM
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Aston Villa will await the results of medical tests before deciding on the future of manager Gerard Houllier, Press Association Sport understands.
The midlands club do not expect to make any announcement until early next week as Houllier recuperates after his recent heart problem.
Sources close to Villa have indicated the outcome of the tests will be "the driving force" behind what is the next step to take.
There have been conflicting weekend reports over Houllier's future.
ne suggested the 63-year-old would be relieved of his duties and another indicated his return would be rubber-stamped by club owner Randy Lerner.
But the source insisted it is "neither of those" and that the medical tests will be the key.
Caretaker boss Gary McAllister continues to be in an upbeat mood over Houllier's future.
He said: "Gerard is very good. He is in fine form. We are seeing more and more of him. He is up and about.
"We have had lunch, we've been for dinner. He's not driving or anything like that. He's obviously got a driver.
"But every indication, and all the things he is saying to me and other members of staff, is that he wants to be back here and he wants to be back in full-time work.
"He is just preparing for July 7 when we come back for pre-season training."
Meanwhile a Premier League managers' arbitration tribunal is continuing this week to consider the circumstances that led to Martin O'Neill's abrupt departure from Villa.
O'Neill enjoyed a successful four-year association with the club after taking over from David O'Leary in August 2006.
He led them to three successive top-six finishes in the Premier League and the 2010 Carling Cup final.
But the former Leicester and Celtic boss opted to leave just five days before the start of the campaign in August.
A League Managers' Association mediation panel failed to resolve the dispute between O'Neill and Villa at the tail-end of 2010.
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If it's down to the medical results/opinion, then surely any self respecting doctor can not suggest a man with his medical history returns to such a high pressure job?
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Firstly, it is great that GED appears to be on the mend.
But to me, there is some real conflict in what GMac is saying.
So, he is 'up and and about' and they have been for meals together.
But, he's not able to drive ? That smacks to me that it is unsafe for him to do so.
If he's unsafe to to drive, he cannot be 100% fit.
If he's not 100% fit, he needs to recover and take is easy.
He needs to retire.
But, I'm not a doctor.
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I wonder how GED would react if randy suggested a move upstairs, would he reluctantly accept such an offer or want his contract paying in full and tell randy where to stick it?
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In my opinion, he should stop. For his own sake. His body has taken enough. If it's that serious that test results will help decide, then that's too serious to continue. For himself, and more selfishly, for us.
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I wonder how GED would react if randy suggested a move upstairs, would he reluctantly accept such an offer or want his contract paying in full and tell randy where to stick it?
Given he was doing a similar role with France, but then jacked that as he wanted to go back into front line management, I'm guessing not well.
However, if he accepts his body can't take front line management anymore he may see it as a good alternative.
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When he joined he repeatedly told media and fans he'd has all the tests and was fitterr than when at Liverpool.
The guy didn't last a season before he was back in hospital.
Can no one see the pattern to this. Logically he is never going to be fit enough to fully manage at Prem level.
Sod the vested interests, sod the sympathy bloke, the last thing I want is the headlines and media coverage beause the bloke has another attack while in the dugout.
For his own good the guy needs to be told to go, there is no way his heart will get better, there is no way the pressure of running Villa will improve it either.
Please Gerard, take a rest.
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When he joined he repeatedly told media and fans he'd has all the tests and was fitterr than when at Liverpool.
The guy didn't last a season before he was back in hospital.
Can no one see the pattern to this. Logically he is never going to be fit enough to fully manage at Prem level.
Sod the vested interests, sod the sympathy bloke, the last thing I want is the headlines and media coverage beause the bloke has another attack while in the dugout.
For his own good the guy needs to be told to go, there is no way his heart will get better, there is no way the pressure of running Villa will improve it either.
Please Gerard, take a rest.
Spot on !
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When he joined he repeatedly told media and fans he'd has all the tests and was fitterr than when at Liverpool.
The guy didn't last a season before he was back in hospital.
Can no one see the pattern to this. Logically he is never going to be fit enough to fully manage at Prem level.
Sod the vested interests, sod the sympathy bloke, the last thing I want is the headlines and media coverage beause the bloke has another attack while in the dugout.
For his own good the guy needs to be told to go, there is no way his heart will get better, there is no way the pressure of running Villa will improve it either.
Please Gerard, take a rest.
First time ever I agree 100% with one of your posts!
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Not much to disagree with there Malcolm!
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We really need to know if he will be back sooner rather than later so we can get a new manager in place for pre season as to avoid a repeat of last season debacle I have just listened to the radio and they have said that we will get a decision this week.
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Managing a premiership club will not get any less stressful in the coming years.
For your own health Gerard, you should call it a day.
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All the sounds are that he will return. Which is absolute madness considering what has happened. Big questions over Lerners integrity will be raised. The man cannot handle the pressure of top flight football and Villa is a stressful as any job.
What happens if he passes away whilst managing us? We would be absolutely annihilated in the media.
What about if we do as bad next year and people start calling for his head? They will make the fans out to be the villains in all this.
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All the sounds are that he will return.
I think we need to distinguish between the likes of Gary Mac coming out with the company line and what is actually going to happen. How many times do we see a club state a player isnl;t for sale and then flog him? Or that a manager is safe and then sack him?
The goal is to keep a steady ship until it's time to make the change and saying "We don't think he can continue" is not going to achieve that. Personally, I expect a combination of his doctors and family will persuade him to call it a day.
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I would love a fit and healthy Houllier to stay, but, with his health I think it would be wrong for him to continue as manager. I'd be very happy if he was kept on at the club in some kind of role, though. He's a good man who knows the game inside out.
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I think he would be more worried at having to sit next to Doug.
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I think he would be more worried at having to sit next to Doug.
Well, for all the wealth of footballing knowledge he's picked up over the years I'm sure he could do with learning how to execute a bicycle kick properly.
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This is the footy world as well not the real world that we all live in. It's not like he's got to worry about paying the mortgage while on ssp is it.
I would say to him that it really isn't worth it, go and retire and enjoy watching footy from the other side of the fence for a while.
From a Villa point of view we have to be a little bit ruthless and if necessary make the decision for him. We're the nice guys of footy as well, so we'll make sure we pay him off and do the right thing. It's one of the many things I like about Randy.
Moyes next please with about £50m and whatever he sells will do please.
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It amazes me that we are in this situation GH is clearly not able to manage a premiership club with the stress that comes with it.
We have to ask questions about the boards mindset when they appointed him and there mindset now, clearly they have not a clue what to do.We need to act now there is a wealth of talent out there who could take Villa back up the table but as per usual we show what a joke we can be sometimes and the blame is at Randys and the CEO door.
Stop treating the fans with contempt we pay hard earned money to go and watch our team and it is thrown back in our faces.
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i would like Houllier to stay on, but no one can gurantee his health, and no matter what happens you will always have it in the back of your mind,
so i think he should quit and enjoy life,
unfortunatley people who have spent their lives in football just cant give it up, its the only thing they know, to turn away from being involved in football is to turn away from life,
and thats the problem , they just cant see life without football thats worth living, its sad but a lot of football peope are very limited, they just cant see anything else
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i would like Houllier to stay on, but no one can gurantee his health, and no matter what happens you will always have it in the back of your mind,
so i think he should quit and enjoy life,
unfortunatley people who have spent their lives in football just cant give it up, its the only thing they know, to turn away from being involved in football is to turn away from life,
and thats the problem , they just cant see life without football thats worth living, its sad but a lot of football peope are very limited, they just cant see anything else
The problem is that for many people in his position, quitting would mean that he no longer enjoyed life to the same extent as he does now and I don't think this phenomenon is unique to football. If you have a job you love, then why should you be forced to stop doing it in favour of something you don't enjoy doing, just because you hit a randomly selected age limit?
In fact, by this time next year it will be illegal to force anyone to retire just because they are 65.
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i would like Houllier to stay on, but no one can gurantee his health, and no matter what happens you will always have it in the back of your mind,
so i think he should quit and enjoy life,
unfortunatley people who have spent their lives in football just cant give it up, its the only thing they know, to turn away from being involved in football is to turn away from life,
and thats the problem , they just cant see life without football thats worth living, its sad but a lot of football peope are very limited, they just cant see anything else
The problem is that for many people in his position, quitting would mean that he no longer enjoyed life to the same extent as he does now and I don't think this phenomenon is unique to football. If you have a job you love, then why should you be forced to stop doing it in favour of something you don't enjoy doing, just because you hit a randomly selected age limit?
In fact, by this time next year it will be illegal to force anyone to retire just because they are 65.
this is the reason someone like Alex Ferguson or Harry Rednap can never give up the game,
with all the pressure and media hype, they would be like Brooks in Shawshank redemption, if they were relieved of football, just couldnt cope in the outside world
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i would like Houllier to stay on, but no one can gurantee his health, and no matter what happens you will always have it in the back of your mind,
so i think he should quit and enjoy life,
unfortunatley people who have spent their lives in football just cant give it up, its the only thing they know, to turn away from being involved in football is to turn away from life,
and thats the problem , they just cant see life without football thats worth living, its sad but a lot of football peope are very limited, they just cant see anything else
The problem is that for many people in his position, quitting would mean that he no longer enjoyed life to the same extent as he does now and I don't think this phenomenon is unique to football. If you have a job you love, then why should you be forced to stop doing it in favour of something you don't enjoy doing, just because you hit a randomly selected age limit?
In fact, by this time next year it will be illegal to force anyone to retire just because they are 65.
Know where you're coming from but this isn't about age per se; it's about health and fitness to do the job.
I think a lot may depend on what is written in his personal contract: if there is a clause about his continuing fitness to do the job, and the doctors cannot 100% confirm that he is fully fit*, there will be a negotiation about discontinuing his role as Team Manager. If there is nothing about his fitness in the contract, it will be a potentially woollly and drawn-out process of negotiation and horse-trading.
*I'd be amazed if the doctors would be willing to give him 100% clearance.
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A decision next week ? So about 11 weeks before the opening league game of the 2011-12 season, as opposed to 5 days for the last.
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It's not just a case him being fit to come back now or even in a week or so, we have to think longer term, we can't have a manager who could go back into hospital again anytime next season...as somone mentioned, the job is 'quite' stressful'. Also, G Mac wants Ged to stay so he can have a chance to show he can do the Managers job....please no.
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Needs to go regardless of his health
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Needs to go regardless of his health
Agreed. The health scare is just another reason really. A few months ago I was hoping we'd stay up and he could put his plans into action over the summer. But as a whole the season's been shambolic, and I wouldn't be surprised if, statisically, GH has been worse than KMac and GMac. Anyone checked it out?