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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Dante Lavelli on May 16, 2011, 03:04:45 AM
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During and after today's game I read very contrasting views on Delph's performance versus Arsenal. I did not see the match so I was wondering whether based on what they have seen (i.e. not reputation) they would have Delph as one of our main midfielders next year.
I think he is ideal - in theory - in a 433 or maybe on the left in a 442 but would be worried if he played in the centre of a 442. But I have to be honest I have hardly seen him kick a ball at villa.
What do people think? Do we need to invest in another midfielder (knowing that money is tight) or could Delph do the job (with Petrov as backup if it goes pear shaped)?
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I think he needs to be a regular first teamer next year
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I'm not saying you're wrong left side, just playing devil's advocate, but at what point to we expect a return on our 6-8m investment. He's approaching the right age etc etc, is it time to take a risk and spend the money elsewhere.
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think that delph needs a run in the team next year,looked rusty at times against arsenal.definately got potenial now has to show it.
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Had a fine game against Bolton anyway. Next season he needs to step up though and make the position his own.
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He has got a tremendous passing range, couple of 50 yard balls that were brilliant, but tired badly as I expected and his tackling is still more Paul Scholes than Roy Keane like. Give him a run, think he will be a super player.
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I thought he had lots of moments of real class. I'm much more comfy with him in a 3 at the moment. I expect him to emerge as first choice over the course of next year
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Gives the ball away too much for me. For what we paid for him, i'm not convinced he's better than some of the promising home-grown midfielders we have. I guess its a bit harsh to bring up the price tag all the time but it was a hell of a lot of money to pay for a div1 player. Anyway, the injury was bad and i guess he's still feeling his way back. Seeing he's Gary Mac's protegee, he's obviously rated by the current coaching staff so hopefully he'll play a part against liverpool
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Gives the ball away too much for me. For what we paid for him, i'm not convinced he's better than some of the promising home-grown midfielders we have. I guess its a bit harsh to bring up the price tag all the time but it was a hell of a lot of money to pay for a div1 player. Anyway, the injury was bad and i guess he's still feeling his way back. Seeing he's Gary Mac's protegee, he's obviously rated by the current coaching staff so hopefully he'll play a part against liverpool
I think that - along with other options that may emerge from the current crop of youff - he's definitely MF potential that needs to step up next season. With budgets presumably continuing to tbe tight, he should get his chance (fitness willing).
Greg - how is he "G Mac's protege"? MON bought him; GHou picked and played him. Don't necessarily see the connection other than that both once played for Leeds (that's not it, is it?!).
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He played at Leeds for him.
I think he's going to be one of our first choice midfielders for a long time to come, he's a cracking player and prospect.
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could be wrong but i'm pretty sure he got his chance under gary mac at leeds
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He's a top player in the making and needs regular football to iron out the kinks.
He has a bit of everything, Pace, tenacity, great range of passing, shooting... etc.
This season he's recovered from a major injury that finishes some players careers, has played left back and been in and out of the team. It's not the time to judge him. I hope he gets a regular chance next season to show what he can do and I'm excited at the prospect of him, Gardner and a cultured destroyer in midfield at some point in the future. As well as the likes of Bannan, Makoun and maybe Herd and Johnson.
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He was a bit sloppy at the start and looked a bit out of his depth. But he grew into the game and ended up having a good game overall. He needs more experience so we should persevere as there is talent there.
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I'd say he started well, then it went a bit pear shaped and then he got over it and played very well.
Which shows good character.
I've been a fan since I saw him come on for the U21s a couple of years ago. He came on as a 17/18 year old and lit the game up. I've always been impressed with his attitude too. He isn't phased by playing at the top level and you can tell he feels he belongs there. That's vital for young players breaking through, because there will be days when it doesnt work out and you have to brush it off and get on with it.
MON described him as a proper footballer and he's completely correct.
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The Arsenal game is probably a tough one to judge him on. He's essentially an attacking midfielder and that was a game we were never going to see much of the ball in, so he needed to chase and close down. He did it, but it's hard for him to shine that way.
I'd also say he needs a 'Gabby style' weights programme over the summer to build some bulk.
The ability is there and if he gets a run he'll do well for us.
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Delph will be a cracking player, he's got everything to be our first choice midfielder.
Yesterday he was just a little rusty, gave the ball away & lost posession too many times.
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I thought our midfield three was the correct choice & we did a good job of containing Ramsey & Wilshere.
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the reason he got mixed reviews was because he did some good things and showed some real class, and also as others have said was a bit sloppy at times and made some mistakes.
now if you can accept that he's not going to have the perfect game and put up with a few mistakes while his game developes, i think he will be a real class act in our midfield, but he will do some silly things, but hopefully learn from them, and the more he plays the better he will get.
i would definitley give him a starting place next season,
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could be wrong but i'm pretty sure he got his chance under gary mac at leeds
Apologies, Greg, he did manage at Leeds for 11 months. I'd forgotten that.
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He really needs more game time next season.
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Delph has looked class to me whenever I've seen him. Vision, a range of passing, mobile, and gets stuck in. He's a bit raw and makes some rash challenges but I think when he's given a run in the team he will prove to be top notch. For me he could turn out to be MON's best signing.
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Well said.
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He'd have had a lot more games this season but for injury, and was thrown in too early at Man City over xmas due to other players being injured.
He has all the attributes to be a top PL player, but he also has a lot still to learn and will only get that through the experience of playing. He'll pick up a few red cards along the way that's for sure, and make plenty of mistakes - but where he has to learn very quickly is how to protect himself from himself, and by that I mean how to protect himself from self-inflicted injuries by the way he tackles at times.
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Was Makoun not fit? Or has he just been taken out of the firing line & getting himself to be a star next season?
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A bit of both I think. I'd expect to see him against Liverpool though.
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So apart from injuries, most he brings on himself, his penchant for yellow and red cards, his lack of experience, he should be first pick.
Meanwhile, back in the real world he'll be back at Leeds next year playing in the level hes good at. You watch
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What do you know of the real world?
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So apart from injuries, most he brings on himself, his penchant for yellow and red cards, his lack of experience, he should be first pick.
Meanwhile, back in the real world he'll be back at Leeds next year playing in the level hes good at. You watch
Has he morphed into your MON hate figure, Dr Who stylee?
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So apart from injuries, most he brings on himself, his penchant for yellow and red cards, his lack of experience, he should be first pick.
Meanwhile, back in the real world he'll be back at Leeds next year playing in the level hes good at. You watch
I'm going to remember this post.
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I think Morph from Take Hart speaks more sense than Malcolmtent.
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So apart from injuries, most he brings on himself, his penchant for yellow and red cards, his lack of experience, he should be first pick.
Meanwhile, back in the real world he'll be back at Leeds next year playing in the level hes good at. You watch
I'm going to remember this post.
If ever a post said "Please, please, please look at me, show me some attention" then this is it.
edit: Not yours Paul, Malcolm-in-a-Muddles'.
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Delph will be a cracking player, he's got everything to be our first choice midfielder.
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I thought our midfield three was the correct choice & we did a good job of containing Ramsey & Wilshere.
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Delph has looked class to me whenever I've seen him. Vision, a range of passing, mobile, and gets stuck in. He's a bit raw and makes some rash challenges but I think when he's given a run in the team he will prove to be top notch. For me he could turn out to be MON's best signing.
..and this.
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He needs a real run of games, as the third man on the left of a midfield free, with license to get Forward.
I thought he was halfway fantastic yesterday, he's comfortable with the ball in tight situations and has really quick feet.
If we can put a destroyer in the middle of him and Makoun we've got a midfield three sorted.
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From yesterday, most of the bad can be attributed to a lack of match practice. The good though was very good.
The big thing he offers that we've been missing is intelligent movement off the ball. He did a great job of making himself available for the pass. Once he gets cemented into the team with Makoun as a tidy passing player in there as well I think we'll start to see him really take hold of games. I see similar in Bannan and would love them to get a bit of time on the pitch together in a three, probably in a pre-season game though with a bit of pressure off.
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If we can put a destroyer in the middle of him and Makoun we've got a midfield three sorted.
Exactly what I think!
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Meanwhile, back in the real world he'll be back at Leeds next year playing in the level hes good at. You watch
Wanna put your money on that?
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So apart from injuries, most he brings on himself, his penchant for yellow and red cards, his lack of experience, he should be first pick.
Meanwhile, back in the real world he'll be back at Leeds next year playing in the level hes good at. You watch
I'm going to remember this post.
If ever a post said "Please, please, please look at me, show me some attention" then this is it.
edit: Not yours Paul, Malcolm-in-a-Muddles'.
Every post Malcolm makes is predicated on not giving any credit to MON. Delph was signing, therefore he's rubbish.
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If we can put a destroyer in the middle of him and Makoun we've got a midfield three sorted.
Exactly what I think!
Totally right. Someone like de jong would make that an awesome midfield .........
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As someone else said in another thread, Parker would also be an ideal one to slot in there. My concern would be the fee they'd want considering his age and virtually nil re-sale value.
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Sign Parker while preparing Gardner to be his replacement when the time comes?
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Gardner, whilst being a physical presence of sorts, isn't really a defensive midfielder.
But I could see us signing Parker and some young French/African lad as understudy, sure.
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I think Delph looks abit like Ramires at Chelsea, he really struggled at first, but after a regular run in the team has become a really good player.
Next season I'd play Makoun, NRC and Delph as a 3! We really need to keep NRC.
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I think Delph is going to be an all or nothing player. Not as in his commitment, I think this will always be 100%, but I think in terms of his contribution. He will always play some great passes, but will play some awful passes. He will make some great runs forward, he will lose the ball too easily. Repeat to fade. If nothing else, I don't think we can question his effort on the pitch, I think we weill just have to accept that with everything good that he does, chances are there will be some rubbish involved as well.
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I think Delph is going to be an all or nothing player. Not as in his commitment, I think this will always be 100%, but I think in terms of his contribution. He will always play some great passes, but will play some awful passes. He will make some great runs forward, he will lose the ball too easily. Repeat to fade. If nothing else, I don't think we can question his effort on the pitch, I think we weill just have to accept that with everything good that he does, chances are there will be some rubbish involved as well.
No, Delph will be class when he's played in more matches consistently. He needs a proper run in the team. The odd appearance isn't enough. He's the future, he's still very young with lots to learn.
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Young players make mistakes. As they gain experience they hopefully make less of them. Delph is still very young.
I'll gladly take a few msitakes now to get the player I think he'll be in the near future.
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If money is that tight then I'd be doing all I could to get Reo-Coker to sign a new contract. Tell him that his job in the team is to break down the play of the other side and then just play the simple pass to either Delph or Makoun. Not to try anything fancy.
A midfield 3 of them would work perfectly I think.
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I think that midfield has the potential to be good,but two of them are still finding their feet at PL level.
So i'd like us to get another midfielder in during the summer,i wonder how much it depends on getting rid of that useless tool Ireland.
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I like NRC and want him to stay, but I don't think he offers enough to be first choice. The point about Delph and Makoun being relatively inexperienced is a good one, so the third player would need to know the league.
All points to Scott Parker for me!
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I like NRC and want him to stay, but I don't think he offers enough to be first choice. The point about Delph and Makoun being relatively inexperienced is a good one, so the third player would need to know the league.
All points to Scott Parker for me!
Agreed, agreed and agreed.
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i wonder how much it depends on getting rid of that useless tool Ireland.
Keep forgetting about him. He didn't make the squad for Newcastle yesterday.
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If money is that tight then I'd be doing all I could to get Reo-Coker to sign a new contract. Tell him that his job in the team is to break down the play of the other side and then just play the simple pass to either Delph or Makoun. Not to try anything fancy.
Reo Coker is not good enough to do that role. Need a player with better aerial power, two feet and an eye for goals on occaions. Sounds very much like Gary Gardner to me ???
A midfield 3 of them would work perfectly I think.
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As much as Ireland is a fruit cake and a hater of Birmingham to boot, he could be the answer if we can get him sorted. Depends who the manager is I guess.
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As much as Ireland is a fruit cake and a hater of Birmingham to boot, he could be the answer if we can get him sorted. Depends who the manager is I guess.
Well unless it's Jesus Christ almighty I say fuck him off to anybody who'll give us something for him.
He might have been the answer, but right now he's only the answer to; what's nutty as Squirrel shit and sits on 70 grand a week?
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As much as Ireland is a fruit cake and a hater of Birmingham to boot, he could be the answer if we can get him sorted. Depends who the manager is I guess.
He would only be the answer if you were playing Spot the Looney.
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As much as Ireland is a fruit cake and a hater of Birmingham to boot, he could be the answer if we can get him sorted. Depends who the manager is I guess.
He would only be the answer if you were playing Spot the Looney.
I agree. If we have to cut our loses to get rid of him, then we need to do it.
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Unfortunately, I think Player of The Year Scott Parker will be looking elsewhere. It would probably take some convincing to get him to move to a club who narrowly avoided the drop from one that didn't, particularly if the likes of Tottingham are circling.
As for Delph, he's ideal for a three or five man midfield. I probably would be a wee bit concerned if he was in the centre in a straight 4-4-2 - at least in the short term. But then it took Gareth Barry until his mid 20's to be comfortable in the position. Delph has still got plenty of time on his hands.
Providing he feels part of the set up and features in 15-20 games next year, we should be OK on that front. Obviously form will dictate that too, if he's so good that he can't be left out, even better.
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Parker has at best one or two seasons at the highest level. A big no from me. He also doesn't really strike me as what we need. He is more of an all-rounder than a defensive midfielder who can shield players like Bannan, Delph and Makoun.
As for Delph I think he has the makings of a decent player albeit I'm not certain of whether he will be a guaranteed starter next season or indeed whether his best role is as a playmaker or as an attacking midfielder. Yesterday was a mixed bag and probably a difficult game for a young midfielder to have the opportunity to impress. I'd like him to get another game against Liverpool. He needs games both to acclimatise and also for us to assess the depth of his role. In all honesty I'm more concerned about Makoun than Delph as a player for next season.
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If we're looking for a deep-sitting, defensive midfielder to complement Delph and Makoun, let's see what Hogg or Herd are capable of doing next season.
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I really want Delph to be a success because I think he is the sort of signing villa should make more often. Not every young prodigy will make it of course but if one or two of them get good then villa will benefit hugely both on the pitch and financially.
Reading these comments makes me think the Villa should offer NRC a decent deal and buy a young destroyer who we can afford to give a season to acclimatise. IF NRC asks for stupid money then Petrov can be the experienced head (just substituted more frequently).
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For me he looked as if he lacked match practice yday, but he has it all, a good pass, can tackle, good acceleration, good on the ball, composed.
Last year against Ure at home, and Bolton away, he was the best player on the pitch.I think he has the potential to be as good as, if not better , than Wilsire tbh.Play him against Lplop.
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Parker would be the ideal man to look after Delph, Bannan and Makoun as they find their feet. Sadly, like
Kevin, I think he'll be looking elsewhere at this stage of hs career. He might be just what we need, I don't think he'll see us as just what he needs.
The question therefore is, if not him then who?
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Gattuso?
Doesn't know the premier league but speaks english/scottish. He's lost what little pace he had but could be entertaining...
Ah fuck it, in dream land I'd like Milner.
Not a sitting defensive midfielder but the three of Milner, Delph and Makoun would have sufficient energy to get back and form a formidable defensive shield.
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The only concern I would have with a midfield three of NRC, Makoun and Delph is there would be a fair few red cards between them.
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Milner, Delph, Reo Coker, Makoun, Bannan and Hogg as options next season for the 3 man midfield we saw yesterday. I think we would be very strong and creative in that area.
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I was always non plussed at the expectations of Delph but a few passes he has played in his fleeting appearances this season suggest to me that there is a player in there who should be starting in a midfield three for us next year.
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Parker would be the ideal man to look after Delph, Bannan and Makoun as they find their feet. Sadly, like
Kevin, I think he'll be looking elsewhere at this stage of hs career. He might be just what we need, I don't think he'll see us as just what he needs.
The question therefore is, if not him then who?
Out of the so called big teams,I can only see Spurs going for him,but they have that Brazilian guy who's been good this season,so we may have a chance,though the Dildo brothers at West Ham will want silly money for him.
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Parker would be the ideal man to look after Delph, Bannan and Makoun as they find their feet. Sadly, like
Kevin, I think he'll be looking elsewhere at this stage of hs career. He might be just what we need, I don't think he'll see us as just what he needs.
The question therefore is, if not him then who?
With our finish this season (mid table at absolute best) we'll have our hands tied to a certain extent as to who we can go for.
It will either be more up and coming young players (similar to the Fofana deal) or somewhat unfancied players. Someone mentioned Diame earlier and he's always one that's impressed me whenever I've seen him. He hasn't started every game for a side as poor as Wigan though, so you have to wonder about that.
Still, if we've having a mass exodus this summer, Diame for a reasonable fee wouldn't be the worst bit of business we could do.
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The thing with Parker of course is that there comes to a point, price wise, where it just isnt worth it. So if the price is reasonable he'd be great. Because there's zero resale value and he's in his prime rather than approaching it. He has three possibly four years left and maybe two of them will be winding down a bit.
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Has bags of potential, he needs a run in the team and to work out his best position.
Bags of energy, quick, 2 decent feet a real prospect but a long way from the complete article.
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The thing with Parker of course is that there comes to a point, price wise, where it just isnt worth it. So if the price is reasonable he'd be great. Because there's zero resale value and he's in his prime rather than approaching it. He has three possibly four years left and maybe two of them will be winding down a bit.
I'd put that number at about 6m to be honest. He'd be a perfect transitional player from Parker to Delph/Gardner and hopefully a fofana/sisoko types. But I think west ham will want a lot more than that and Parker's wages will be huge too.
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So apart from injuries, most he brings on himself, his penchant for yellow and red cards, his lack of experience, he should be first pick.
Meanwhile, back in the real world he'll be back at Leeds next year playing in the level hes good at. You watch
Friend of mine is a Leeds fan who rated him as top quality but a little raw. I think but for the 12 months he's lost he'd be a regular now. This has delayed his development a little.
For me he has every attribute to be a top premier player, he glides across the pitch, great vision, first touch and movement. Good players make the game look easy. The fact we've given him a new contract means we see him being part of the picture next season. Pre-season is an opportunity for him to shine.
On the downside he's clumsy when he tackles and has a tendency to over play it in his own half.
I'd expect to see him as challenging Makoun to play next season.
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so much potential, he deserves a extended run in the first team IMO!
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I agree, lets give him an extended run next year. It's likely Petrov or NRC will still be about so they are a pretty decent insurance policy.
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Palacios has gone off the boil at Spurs over the last year or so but we could get him for a reasonable fee Id say in the summer. Still think Reo Coker would do that job for us but if he leaves, Palacios is worth considering I reckon.
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Nah, I thought he was massively overrated when they signed him and I still think that. Offers nothing NRC doesn't and more convincingly in my opinion.