Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 11, 2011, 04:30:20 PM
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Hard done by Carlos Cuellar has been reassured he still has a part to play at Villa – despite struggling to break into one of the Premier League’s worst defences.
Cuellar has endured another frustrating season warming the bench with Richard Dunne and James Collins preferred in the centre.
The Spaniard has been restricted to ten league starts and two substitute appearances despite Villa conceding 58 goals – the sixth-worst record in the top flight.
Cuellar has experienced a stop-start career since signing from Rangers for £7.8 million in August 2008 and has just over a year left on his contract.
The 29-year-old defender has been a paragon of patience and despite reported interest from Spanish clubs, recently revealed on Twitter he wants to stay at Villa.
Caretaker boss Gary McAllister described Cuellar as a “model professional” and suggested the former Osasuna player would eventually get another first-team chance.
Dunne and Collins have formed a regular partnership but Villa also have Cuellar and young defenders Ciaran Clark and Nathan Baker challenging for a central role.
“Carlos has been working fantastically well,” said McAllister.
“But the facts are we’ve had a wee run of results.
“People warranted keeping the jersey but it’s very competitive, that’s just the way it is.
“We can’t pick 20 players, but the players that are not in the team have got to continue to put pressure on those that are. That’s what makes a good football club.
“We have five or six centre- halves at the club and the decision is to pick two.''
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cuellar is garbage...
his passing is awful, his first touch is a volley, and he has the pace, mobility and turning circle of a tree...
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"A wee run of results"? FFS!
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cuellar is garbage...
his passing is awful, his first touch is a volley, and he has the pace, mobility and turning circle of a tree...
and he's still better than Richard Dunne and James Collins, and didn't have beer fuelled fight embarassing the club during the season. Cuellar isn't as good as some make out, but I'd like to have seen him play a lot more than he has.
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cuellar is garbage...
his passing is awful, his first touch is a volley, and he has the pace, mobility and turning circle of a tree...
see dunne, collins. Id prefer him to either of these two
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i would prefer him to the chuckle brothers, but that is not exactly a ringing endorsement...
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A limited player, but would prefer him instead of one of our 'established' centre halves.
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I think he's just an old-fashioned centre half, passing and playing the ball out of defence isn't his game. How many stupid goals could have been avoided this season if someone had just got rid of the ball instead of watching in terror as it pings around our penalty area?
I'd have him in place of Dunne and Collins on their form this season, and I hope we can persuade him to stay at the club for longer.
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A limited player, but would prefer him instead of one of our 'established' centre halves.
He's far better than the two lumps of shit who've been at centre back.
It's criminal that he's been on the bench when he should have been playing.
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MON ruined him. Looked superb at Rangers in Europe but being stuck at right back when he was trying to establish himself seems to have damaged his confidence permanently
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cuellar is garbage...
his passing is awful, his first touch is a volley, and he has the pace, mobility and turning circle of a tree...
He's far from garbage.
Deserved more of a chance this season.
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MON ruined him. Looked superb at Rangers in Europe but being stuck at right back when he was trying to establish himself seems to have damaged his confidence permanently
he's still a good CB back greg. MON didn't ruin him at all, and if you look at our defensive record it's better with him at RB.
MON liked playing with CB's in the team, and you could argue it contributed to us being more effective at defending set pieces. It also partly explains why Mellberg also played RB because it just gave us more height in defence and suited MON's philosophy in attacking situations too.
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I think McAllister is too scared of Dunne and Collins to drop them.
The amount of c***s we've had upset the applecart this season, Carlos has been a bloody saint in comparison.
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All centre half's need to develop a partnership and that comes from playing games regularly. In my view, Cuellar would be good enough to play every game and would improve considerably for it.
Collins and Dunne would not change much, one day good, one day bad.
Besides, 'garbage' is a comment not to be taken seriously.
Lesser players such as Aaron Hughes, Knight and others we got rid of have been described as such, but even they are at least competent and consistent performers, albeit without any further potential. Because they are not as good as the best still does not justify the garbage comment.
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I'd have in in the team before Dunne or Collins. He could't be any worse that those two have been all season. It must be very disheartening for him sitting on the bench every week watching their comedy defending.
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MON ruined him. Looked superb at Rangers in Europe but being stuck at right back when he was trying to establish himself seems to have damaged his confidence permanently
he's still a good CB back greg. MON didn't ruin him at all, and if you look at our defensive record it's better with him at RB.
MON liked playing with CB's in the team, and you could argue it contributed to us being more effective at defending set pieces. It also partly explains why Mellberg also played RB because it just gave us more height in defence and suited MON's philosophy in attacking situations too.
Well i think he's never looked the same in the centre since being stuck at right back to make way for real garbage like Davies. They're not the same position and require totally different skills. If you stuck Terry, vidic or Ferdinand at right-back for 2 seasons then they'd look iffy back in the centre
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If he has a future he should have been picked regularly - the haste in which Collins & Dunne were recalled after "bondgate" was terrible and if Carlos is a model professional (per Gary Mac) and was overlooked then what sort of example does that set our youngsters!
Don't get me started on their drinking buddy Luke (we don't know what's going on) Young - did he not refuse a move to Liverpool at the beginning of the season - your contact is with AV so be positive and support the club that pays you so much.
Thanks - I feel better now.
UTV
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The first of Houiller's many clangers this season was dropping Carlos after he was the best player on the pitch by a mile away at Wolves. If he'd kept his place like he should have, we might have seen a really good season from him.
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My face is buried in my palm.
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The first of Houiller's many clangers this season was dropping Carlos after he was the best player on the pitch by a mile away at Wolves. If he'd kept his place like he should have, we might have seen a really good season from him.
That was mystifying.
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"A wee run of results"? FFS!
He's right; 1 defeat in the last 6, 4 in the last 15. It's not earth shattering but it's decent.
Those results coincided with getting Dunne and Collins fit and signing Bent.
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I think he's just an old-fashioned centre half, passing and playing the ball out of defence isn't his game. How many stupid goals could have been avoided this season if someone had just got rid of the ball instead of watching in terror as it pings around our penalty area?
I'd have him in place of Dunne and Collins on their form this season, and I hope we can persuade him to stay at the club for longer.
My sentiments aswell.
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I like Cuellar and he contributed a lot to us having one of the best defensive records in the league last year but he does have his limitations. The most obvious one is his passing but I also have concerns about his positional play, he needs somebody talking to him the whole time to keep him on his toes.
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I hope he stays, especially if his missus brings her "10 out of 10" mates along with her to the games as she did on saturday. They certainly brightened up a dull afternoon. Did anyone see what the banner said above the players tunnel? It belonged to the Spanish contingent.
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People who say he is limited and garbage are way wrong, Ok he's not the best passer of the ball, But he is a bloody good defender and like somoene said he has not let us down by getting pissed and slagging off the manager.
Like Clampy said he was the best player on the park at wolves and then was dropped for no reason!
Keep him and fuck Dunne off
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Oh and another thing! What happened to squad rotation? That's been proved as a load of shit as Collins & Dunne are in when fit and in Dunne's case NOT
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would much rather Cuellar play than Dunne,hasnt let anyone down when he's played this season!
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Rafa the Gaffa will get the best out of Carlos.
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I feel sorry for Cuellar, he must sit there watching the chuckle brothers at centre half and think 'how poor have these two got to play for me to get a game?'. I remember him playing at Wolves and he was outstanding and got man of the match, then he was dropped again.
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Yes, he was outstanding against the Dingles. Has barely had a look-in since. Ridiculous. I'm sure we'd be further up the league positions if he'd been used on a more regular basis.
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We've had a wee run of results? yes bad ones and that links in with most of the season. Carlos should be playing.
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all well and good people saying that i am wrong, but it is my opinion, and it wont change unless he does something that forces me to change my view...
cant see it, considering why i dont rate him, but i am always open to taking the evidence on board and re-assessing my viewpoint...
however, im not going to make statements about others that dont agree being "wrong", or any other derogatory / disrespectful comment, as i have more respect than that and fully understand that everyone has their own opinion...
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Err...yes.
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"A wee run of results"? FFS!
I think 'wee' is a pejorative here.
Drew with Wigan, lost to the barcodes, drew with Sturk and two of those games were at Villa Park!
I wish McAllister would shut up. I don't care what he thinks and I'm getting pissed off with him discussing a different player every day, and how they have a future here (cf Downing).
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A limited player, but would prefer him instead of one of our 'established' centre halves.
He's far better than the two lumps of shit who've been at centre back.
It's criminal that he's been on the bench when he should have been playing.
Completely agree
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The lack of Carlos starting is to me just baffling. He has (when picked) done at least as well as Dunne and Collins, often better. He has not turned up overweight, made loads of errors on the ptch and caused problems off the pitch.
Carlos would have been my first choice in that position from Wolves away until he, or rather if he, lost form. As the future of the Manager is in more than serious doubt then so is the position of G'Mac. I wish that for the remaining games that he is in charge he would stop talking about the future. Stop saying things are fine so we can relax and play with smiles and just concentrate on the Arsenal and Liverpool games.
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It is actually making me quite cross that Cuellar isn't playing.
Not necessarily because of his strengths.
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"A wee run of results"? FFS!
Surely a run of bad results should result in players being dropped?
Cuellar is miles better than Dunne on this season's performances.
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He should be starting just if only for the reason that he was the only other senior centre half that did not slag of the management at the spa incident (what an example to set to the kids) Dunne is past it and Collins is becoming increasingly annoying as he is looking to keep up with Ashley in the 'moan at the officials' race.
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I think CC has much more of a future at VP than McAllister has. At least i hope he has.
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I think CC has much more of a future at VP than McAllister has. At least i hope he has.
Me too!
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I think CC has much more of a future at VP than McAllister has. At least i hope he has.
Me too!
Me also.
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I think CC has much more of a future at VP than McAllister has. At least i hope he has.
Me too!
Me also.
I'll make it a treble then
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even with my views on cuellar, il agree with that too...
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A limited player, but would prefer him instead of one of our 'established' centre halves.
Exactly
What have the 2 fuckwits at centre half got do to get dropped?
He's far better than the two lumps of shit who've been at centre back.
It's criminal that he's been on the bench when he should have been playing.
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Well i think he's never looked the same in the centre since being stuck at right back to make way for real garbage like Davies.
I think your memory is doing strange things to you. Cuellar was never shunted to right back to make way for Davies.
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"A wee run of results"? FFS!
Surely a run of bad results should result in players being dropped?
Cuellar is miles better than Dunne on this season's performances.
1 loss in 6 isn't actually that bad.
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"A wee run of results"? FFS!
Surely a run of bad results should result in players being dropped?
Cuellar is miles better than Dunne on this season's performances.
1 loss in 6 isn't actually that bad.
Who have we played though? Everton away, Newcastle home, West Ham away, Stoke home, Albion away, Wigan home, and we only took 9 points from 18 against that lot. Everton away is the only really difficult game, the rest are also rans.
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"A wee run of results"? FFS!
Surely a run of bad results should result in players being dropped?
Cuellar is miles better than Dunne on this season's performances.
1 loss in 6 isn't actually that bad.
Who have we played though? Everton away, Newcastle home, West Ham away, Stoke home, Albion away, Wigan home, and we only took 9 points from 18 against that lot. Everton away is the only really difficult game, the rest are also rans.
I'm not saying you're wrong, and some of the football played in these matches - particularly since Gary Mac has taken over, has been terrible, but the results are still the results.
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I think Cuellar is our best centre half. Please start him with Clark next season Mr Moyes..
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I think Cuellar is our best centre half. Please start him with Clark next season Mr Moyes..
Sod that, if we get Moyes i hope he brings Jagielka with him. Or Mark Hughes can bring Hangeland and Samba...
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Or buy at least one top centre half.
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IMO Cuellar and Clark should be starting, but I still don't think that is top 5/6 quality.