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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Martyn Smith on May 08, 2011, 03:35:59 PM
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We'll just survive, possibly only by g/d.
GH will, upon medical advice and with the board's blessing (if not instruction) leave first team management and join the board of directors as director of football.
GH and the rest of the board will appoint a new, younger dynamic manager, who for now shall be known as Not Gary McAllister. NGMcA will clear out the deadwood and the want-outs, and build a fresh dynamic team, with everyone playing in the correct fucking position for Chrissakes, and next season will see us restored to our correct level of treading on the coat tails of the Sky 4.
Please let me have these thoughts. Don't be all iconoclastic on me now...?...
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We'll survive.
GH will leave the club
Lerner will acknowledge his mistake in appointing Faulkner and adopting his wage reduction strategy
NGA (why not NGM or NGMA? Who cares?) will be a larger than life recently successful manager - a monstre sacré, who will be given enough financial support to fashion a squad he feels is capable of competing for trophies and CL qualification.
The NGA will perform in such a way as to extract the maximum capability from the players at his disposal and will become beloved by all at VP by virtue of the success he creates.
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We'll survive by a margin that flatters us- 2 points or so.
GH will be given a room in a Liverpool hospital with a "Super Reds" duvet and a Shankly de-fibrulator and will attempt to dictate Villa tactics via a dodgy Skype connection.
GMc will receive Randy's full backing to interperate GH's increasingly bizarre decisions regarding team selection and will start to begin to consider the idea of defensive coaching on set-pieces. He will continue his series of worthwhile and morale-boosting long winded interviews with any publication that will listen.
Two new wingers will be signed and, together with Downing, Allbrighton and Heskey, they will be played just behind the forwards on a rotational basis, much as Ashley has done with great success this season.
Friedal will sign a new 12 year contract.
The Holte car park will be resurfaced. This will be hailed by some as proof of Randy's continued commitment.
We will do the quadruple.
I may well be in therapy.
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There's no doubt Houllier would be called in for a chat about what went wrong and why this season but i expect he won't because he'll go before that.
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NGA (why not NGM or NGMA? Who cares?) will be a larger than life recently successful manager - a monstre sacré,
I said NGMcA, look at my posting again....(whistly emoticon)
Hmmm...monstre sacre, never heard that phrase before...wiki calls...
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rest of this season....don't really care. pre-season a decision will be made (and quickly Randy). Moyes will come in, weigh up the likes of Dunne Ireland etc.., and put them on a 99p auction start on ebay. A much smaller squad in the first season with some expensive mistakes written off and a lower budget on new players. Mid-table mediocrity overall with a firm base for 2012-13 and a gradual opening of the chequebook come next summer
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We'll survive. By a few points probably.
I'm starting to feel that the current management team will stay in-situ. It's not what I want but it is what I think will happen.
We will see a large turnover of players in the summer window. The only big loss will be Young and the effect of losing the others will only be if we fail to replace them. I expect to see a lot of not quite top class players coming in.
As for what we will do I don't know. We will either benefit from the clean sweep and new players or we will be as bad as this season for not seeing the warning signs this season with the management. Maybe Houllier will step down a few months into the season having realised he had made a mistake staying on.
The other option (which I view slightly less likely) is that Houllier will step down at the end of the season and we will get someone meh in like Moyes or Hughes who will steer us back up to the top six or seven.
My personal preference would be that we get rid of the current management (regardless of whether they want to stay) with no new jobs at the club being made for them and we bring in someone young and dynamic in. A gamble but it may also pay off with some degree of success.
I'm not really looking forward to it with much positivity. Hopefully, with closure on the management situation and some new players I will be smiling again.
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I think we will survive also we do need to beat either Arsenal or Liverpool to end the season on a semi high.
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Even by beating Arsenal AND Livepool - the season will not come close to anything like a high - semi or otherwise.
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Thrashed by Arsenal
Point from a dire game with Liverpool
Houllier to call it a day announced
Shock name announced as Manager
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Agree, Rip. Although I think it'll be David Moyes who will be announced.
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Thrashed by Arsenal
Point from a dire game with Liverpool
Houllier to call it a day announced
Shock name announced as Manager
A thought just occurred. Could Gerrard announce his retirement from football ahead of the final game and receive a warm farewell from both sets of fans at the final game?
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Thrashed by Arsenal
Point from a dire game with Liverpool
Houllier to call it a day announced
Shock name announced as Manager
A thought just occurred. Could Gerrard announce his retirement from football ahead of the final game and receive a warm farewell from both sets of fans at the final game?
Oh, Villadawg you have just made my day.
Please god,allah,jehova,doug ellis....please make this happen !!
(I hope its our GeRard though and not their GeRRard....winky)
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Thrashed by Arsenal
Point from a dire game with Liverpool
Houllier to call it a day announced
Shock name announced as Manager
A thought just occurred. Could Gerrard announce his retirement from football ahead of the final game and receive a warm farewell from both sets of fans at the final game?
That's extremley possible. It would be the ideal way for him to bow out.
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Thrashed by Arsenal
Point from a dire game with Liverpool
Houllier to call it a day announced
Shock name announced as Manager
A thought just occurred. Could Gerrard announce his retirement from football ahead of the final game and receive a warm farewell from both sets of fans at the final game?
That's extremley possible. It would be the ideal way for him to bow out.
Suggest it on the Generals thread ;)
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Battered by Arsenal
A defeat by Liverpool
Just about surviving, Houllier to quit, then another drawn out hunt for a manager. A mass clearout when he eventually arrives not getting all the players we need going into next season making another poor start.
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Battered by Arsenal
A defeat by Liverpool
Just about surviving, Houllier to quit, then another drawn out hunt for a manager. A mass clearout when he eventually arrives not getting all the players we need going into next season making another poor start.
what a little ray of sunshine you are
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Lerner will acknowledge his mistake in appointing Faulkner and adopting his wage reduction strategy
You are funny, VillaDawg.
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we stay up by one goal. Ged retires and hires Gmac as his carer. o'leary makes a truimphant return to v.p. whole squad put in transfer requests and our big summer signing is lee hendrie. randy closes holte end as a cost cutting excercise. ;)
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Battered by Arsenal
A defeat by Liverpool
Just about surviving, Houllier to quit, then another drawn out hunt for a manager. A mass clearout when he eventually arrives not getting all the players we need going into next season making another poor start.
what a little ray of sunshine you are
That's what this season has done for me.
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We'll survive.
GH will leave the club
Lerner will acknowledge his mistake in appointing Faulkner and adopting his wage reduction strategy
NGA (why not NGM or NGMA? Who cares?) will be a larger than life recently successful manager - a monstre sacré, who will be given enough financial support to fashion a squad he feels is capable of competing for trophies and CL qualification.
The NGA will perform in such a way as to extract the maximum capability from the players at his disposal and will become beloved by all at VP by virtue of the success he creates.
The wage reduction is not a strategy, it is a neccesity!
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Lerner will acknowledge his mistake in appointing Faulkner and adopting his wage reduction strategy
You are funny, VillaDawg.
I'm surprised,given his (since August, brief break for about 7 days after we signed Bent) Lerner hatred that Villadawg hasn't retired the "Dawg" part of his username in protest.
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Lerner will acknowledge his mistake in appointing Faulkner and adopting his wage reduction strategy
You are funny, VillaDawg.
I'm surprised,given his (since August, brief break for about 7 days after we signed Bent) Lerner hatred that Villadawg hasn't retired the "Dawg" part of his username in protest.
I think the hatred is directed at Faulkner, not Lerner. In Dawgworld, Faulkner obviously ignores Randy Lerner's directions. Why else would he have asked you know who to reduce the wage bill?
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Draws with Arsenal and Liverpool.
Houllier steps down. Benitez appointed, McAllister retained as coach with new Assistant Manager coming in.
Viva revolution.
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Draws with Arsenal and Liverpool.
Houllier steps down. Benitez appointed, McAllister retained as coach with new Assistant Manager coming in.
Viva revolution.
You may have it spot on there
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Lose to Arse & draw with King Kenny.
Houllier to retire to become Director of Football.
In comes Roberto Martinez as Manager (with Ngobia in the same taxi.).
Appoints an experienced No.2 with Gary Mac persuaded to go on permanent gardening leave.
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Lose to Arsenal.
Lose to Liverpool.
Stay up.
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Lose to Arsenal.
Lose to Liverpool.
Stay up.
...is the right answer
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Lose to Arsenal.
Lose to Liverpool.
Stay up.
...is the right answer
Yep. I can't see any other scenario.
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In comes Roberto Martinez as Manager (with Ngobia in the same taxi.).
I thought this would be a good idea, but my only concern is Villa fans. When Wigan were passing it around, and not always getting anywhere, there was lots of people at the game commenting things like "why can't we pass it around like that?", but when we get the ball and pass it around a bit, you get the same people shouting "FUCKING GET IT FORWARD - WE'RE FUCKING GOING NOWHERE!!!".
And therein lies the problem with passing and biding your time. Villa fans just aren't patient enough. So, in conclusion, whilst I'd like to see Martinez be given a chance at Villa, I don't think it'd be fair on him as the fans would expect us to be able to pass the ball well instantly, not realising it takes time to change.
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Bobby Martinez is a nice fella and tries to get his side playing football but he's nowhere near qualified to take the Villa job.
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Bobby Martinez is a nice fella and tries to get his side playing football but he's nowhere near qualified to take the Villa job.
Houllier is well qualified and look how well he's done.
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Villa appoint Moyes, MON takes Everton job, both sets of fans try to convince them selves that the football is now better under MON MOY than under MOY MON,
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I really don't see why moyes would come here
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In comes Roberto Martinez as Manager (with Ngobia in the same taxi.).
I thought this would be a good idea, but my only concern is Villa fans. When Wigan were passing it around, and not always getting anywhere, there was lots of people at the game commenting things like "why can't we pass it around like that?", but when we get the ball and pass it around a bit, you get the same people shouting "FUCKING GET IT FORWARD - WE'RE FUCKING GOING NOWHERE!!!".
And therein lies the problem with passing and biding your time. Villa fans just aren't patient enough. So, in conclusion, whilst I'd like to see Martinez be given a chance at Villa, I don't think it'd be fair on him as the fans would expect us to be able to pass the ball well instantly, not realising it takes time to change.
aye. lets be honest, the majority of our fans aren't know for their appreciation of the finer aspects of football - results have always taken priority over style of play which i suppose is the bottom line for most clubs. But its seems particulary ingrained with us and why MON got away with hoofball for so long.
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After yesterday's poor showing against mighty Wigan ............
No more points - no more goals for but a few put past us by the teams in red
The 'away'support having a party and a half at the Emirates giving everyone the impression
we have enjoyed this season immensely
Randy realises that even a fully fit Gerard Houllier & his assistant MacAllister were the wrong choice
and appoints David Moyes
Current season ticket holders renew without complaint and introduce 5mates apiece to the joys
of following the lads
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1 point from the last two games.
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Lerner will acknowledge his mistake in appointing Faulkner and adopting his wage reduction strategy
You are funny, VillaDawg.
I'm surprised,given his (since August, brief break for about 7 days after we signed Bent) Lerner hatred that Villadawg hasn't retired the "Dawg" part of his username in protest.
I think the hatred is directed at Faulkner, not Lerner. In Dawgworld, Faulkner obviously ignores Randy Lerner's directions. Why else would he have asked you know who to reduce the wage bill?
I don't hate anyone at Aston Villa.
It's true that I haven't been in support of the board's strategy since they changed it last year but it was in July not August, at the point it became clear that the strategy of investment in the squad was going to change (sell-to-buy, reduce wages). I said at the time that I felt a failure to invest was likely to end our chance of making a breakthrough. I haven't seen anything since then to cause me to change my mind that we're pursuing the wrong strategy.
My issue with Faulkner is based on my view that when a new CEO is appointed and a new strategy is adopted at the same time, you can't divorce the two. If one goes, both go. That's just business.
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I think we can all pinpoint your gigantic about turn to the exact day it happened.
We spent 30 million pounds in the January window, and still you're banging on about a failure to invest.
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I am convinced we're going to get relegated :(
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I have a question for people who remember us getting relegated. I was only 9 when we survived in 1994/95, so not all that in the know how poor we were that time, this has been the worst season since we last went down, surely?
It was just painful from start to finish, I found it very hard to take. Everythign about the club has been so stale and listless.
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I said at the time that I felt a failure to invest was likely to end our chance of making a breakthrough. I haven't seen anything since then to cause me to change my mind that we're pursuing the wrong strategy.
The problem is that continual investment in players and an ever-increasing wage bill without Champions League revenues isn't a sustainable strategy.
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I have a question for people who remember us getting relegated. I was only 9 when we survived in 1994/95, so not all that in the know how poor we were that time, this has been the worst season since we last went down, surely?
It was just painful from start to finish, I found it very hard to take. Everythign about the club has been so stale and listless.
I said yesterday to the chap that sits next to me that this season reminds me of 86-87, but then I was thinking about it later last night, and it's not really as bad.
For all Houllier's faults (and there are a lot of them), I do think he cares. Billy McNeill never gave a flying fuck for Aston Villa, he didn't want to be here, and that permeated everything.
I think the difference this time is that the staleness and listlessness of this season is accentuated by the fact that over the last few years, everything has been so positive.
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I am convinced we're going to get relegated :(
Despite the very best efforts of the squad and management I can't see it happening now. Though it was a bad weekend for us.
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compared to turner/mcneil this has been a breeze. venglos was pretty bad as well
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For all Houllier's faults (and there are a lot of them), I do think he cares.
He (and most of the squad) only seemed interested when relegation became a possibility. Then there was a challenge. Before that, he was very philosophical about our performances.
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I am convinced we're going to get relegated :(
Would you like a bet then?
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I think 2005/06 was worse. If we survive this season there is an expectation things will be better next season, back then we were more or less expecting to go down in 2007. It seemed like a downward spiral similar to that between 1984 and 1987.
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I think we can all pinpoint your gigantic about turn (which followed your previous gigantic about turn a few years before) to the exact day it happened.
We spent 30 million pounds in the January window, and still you're banging on about a failure to invest.
We can pinpoint it to day the board said we needed to focus on reducing wages, 22nd July 2010.
The £30m (or perhaps £23m, who knows?) spent in January was raised in sales last year. That isn't investment, it's trading.
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I have a question for people who remember us getting relegated. I was only 9 when we survived in 1994/95, so not all that in the know how poor we were that time, this has been the worst season since we last went down, surely?
It was just painful from start to finish, I found it very hard to take. Everythign about the club has been so stale and listless.
I said yesterday to the chap that sits next to me that this season reminds me of 86-87, but then I was thinking about it later last night, and it's not really as bad.
For all Houllier's faults (and there are a lot of them), I do think he cares. Billy McNeill never gave a flying fuck for Aston Villa, he didn't want to be here, and that permeated everything.
I think the difference this time is that the staleness and listlessness of this season is accentuated by the fact that over the last few years, everything has been so positive.
You're right. It probably has been accentuated by the feeling of togetherness/optimism that permeated the club for the previous few seasons. Under DO'L or GT mark 2 I don't think we were this bad? It's just dire, there's no togetherness, no fight, just going through the motions and hoping for the best.
Cheers for the feedback guys, appreciated it. Glad I was spared Turner/McNeill for sure!
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I am really tired and half asleep here but who knows, maybe 20 years from now we'll look back at this season as a turning point as we beat Man U's tally of PL titles with two games to go :)
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I think we can all pinpoint your gigantic about turn (which followed your previous gigantic about turn a few years before) to the exact day it happened.
We spent 30 million pounds in the January window, and still you're banging on about a failure to invest.
We can pinpoint it to day the board said we needed to focus on reducing wages, 22nd July 2010.
The £30m (or perhaps £23m, who knows?) spent in January was raised in sales last year. That isn't investment, it's trading.
Remind me again, who and what was said on that day?
And again, who did we sell for £30 million last year?
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You can make the argument that all our problems stem from the previous management. Buying Brithish, paying wages well over the skill level of the players bought, playing one dimensional football that the players were comfortable with,ability to get players to play above themselves that led supporters to believe we was better than we actually were, i could go on.
Having seen GM in control of the squad for the last couple of weeks however i get the distinct impression that the man is a pillock (love that word) and with a more competant head coach we would not be in the position we are. The fact that he was Houlliers third choice speaks volumes, even then it was so late in the day that Houllier was starting to look in the situations wanted.
Don't mind Houllier at all but for the good of the club his health should end his stint. Whatever happens i want a top head coach at the club next year and GM out the door.
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I think we can all pinpoint your gigantic about turn (which followed your previous gigantic about turn a few years before) to the exact day it happened.
We spent 30 million pounds in the January window, and still you're banging on about a failure to invest.
We can pinpoint it to day the board said we needed to focus on reducing wages, 22nd July 2010.
The £30m (or perhaps £23m, who knows?) spent in January was raised in sales last year. That isn't investment, it's trading.
Oh, sorry, it's just that you'd told us till January how it was all about him raking back the cash and so on.
Even when people pointed out that Ireland was part of the Milner deal rather than pure cash and this flew against this argument, this was ignored, as it didn't suit your argument. He could have pocketed the money from the Milner sale, but he didn't. But that's just trading.
What do you think he should have done that he didn't? How much money should he have ponied up? Who should we have moved on? Who should we have signed?
This assumes you at least accept that we don't have a bottomless pit of money
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I think we can all pinpoint your gigantic about turn (which followed your previous gigantic about turn a few years before) to the exact day it happened.
We spent 30 million pounds in the January window, and still you're banging on about a failure to invest.
We can pinpoint it to day the board said we needed to focus on reducing wages, 22nd July 2010.
The £30m (or perhaps £23m, who knows?) spent in January was raised in sales last year. That isn't investment, it's trading.
Remind me again, who and what was said on that day?
And again, who did we sell for £30 million last year?
I think you know what was said and I think you know what players we've bought and sold since the start of last year.
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considering that you are the only person left on planet Earth with the viewpoint that Randy hasn't invested in the club, is pocketing the cash and slashing wages in an attempt to rob the club blind in front of everyone, that makes you officially mental and ludicrously paranoid.
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I think we can all pinpoint your gigantic about turn (which followed your previous gigantic about turn a few years before) to the exact day it happened.
We spent 30 million pounds in the January window, and still you're banging on about a failure to invest.
We can pinpoint it to day the board said we needed to focus on reducing wages, 22nd July 2010.
The £30m (or perhaps £23m, who knows?) spent in January was raised in sales last year. That isn't investment, it's trading.
Remind me again, who and what was said on that day?
And again, who did we sell for £30 million last year?
I think you know what was said and I think you know what players we've bought and sold since the start of last year.
No I don't know what was said, and I'd love to see you spinning your supposedly sacred facts to show that all the money spent this year came from sales.
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Oh, sorry, it's just that you'd told us till January how it was all about him raking back the cash and so on.
Even when people pointed out that Ireland was part of the Milner deal rather than pure cash and this flew against this argument, this was ignored, as it didn't suit your argument. He could have pocketed the money from the Milner sale, but he didn't. But that's just trading.
What do you think he should have done that he didn't? How much money should he have ponied up? Who should we have moved on? Who should we have signed?
This assumes you at least accept that we don't have a bottomless pit of money
I never said it was about raking cash in, I understood we would spend the money raised in sales. I said I disagreed with adopting a sell-to-buy and wage reduction strategy.
I said at the time...
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I'd expect that contentment to continue as long as we keep improving the squad and investing to catch up with whichever teams are ahead of us.
Villa and Man City were separated only by 3 points in the league last season, we both had the same issue, too many draws. We are reducing the gap between ourselves and the 4th/3rd placed teams, we had our highest points total since the league was reduced to 20 teams and you have to go back nearly a hundred years for a season where Villa had so few defeats.
We can all see what Man City are doing about it.
I'm concerned that our board appears to think the imperative right now is “getting a handle on the wage side of the house”, rather than having a squad capable of turning those draws into wins.
This feels to me very much like those times when there were complaints that the old board failed to make the required investment when we seemed close to making a breakthrough.
Which is somewhat different from the rabid interpretations that people like you choose to put on my posts.
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considering that you are the only person left on planet Earth with the viewpoint that Randy hasn't invested in the club, is pocketing the cash and slashing wages in an attempt to rob the club blind in front of everyone, that makes you officially mental and ludicrously paranoid.
You really are an insufferable prick. Find one post where I have said any of those things.
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Why cant we have a debate? Mr Woodhall speaks and all the usual suspects treat him like Royalty.. Its possible 'fans' have different opinions.
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Why cant we have a debate? Mr Woodhall speaks and all the usual suspects treat him like Royalty.. Its possible 'fans' have different opinions.
Come again?
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It's not about a change in policy. When you spend spend spend as Randy has done and the squad is clogged up with expensive "assets" that arent used, you have to move them on. You cant just keep buying more players. The money was there to invest in new players as Randy has shown he is willing to do year on year, IF the manager cropped the squad of those he did not need.
So no change in strategy. Throwing good money after bad isnt a strategy, its foolishness.
We're not Real Madrid. The books have to balance somewhere.
Anyway, prediction:
Unfortunately, Houllier will have to call it a day and may take a role at the club somewhere, which I'd like.
I think Moyes will get the job although not who I'd choose, and he'll do well. He'll also have money to spend and will just the sort of guy to ruthlessly overhaul the squad and dish out some much needed kicks up the arse.
McAllister will be offered a coaching role.
Moyes will probably agree to many of the transfer deals Houllier has lined up and will add a few gems of his own.
We'll enter next season leaner, meaner and with renewed momentum.
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In comes Roberto Martinez as Manager (with Ngobia in the same taxi.).
I thought this would be a good idea, but my only concern is Villa fans. When Wigan were passing it around, and not always getting anywhere, there was lots of people at the game commenting things like "why can't we pass it around like that?", but when we get the ball and pass it around a bit, you get the same people shouting "FUCKING GET IT FORWARD - WE'RE FUCKING GOING NOWHERE!!!".
And therein lies the problem with passing and biding your time. Villa fans just aren't patient enough. So, in conclusion, whilst I'd like to see Martinez be given a chance at Villa, I don't think it'd be fair on him as the fans would expect us to be able to pass the ball well instantly, not realising it takes time to change.
The fundamental difference there is Wigan passed with purpose yet were quite happy to have players run at our backline and get in behind when the situation required it.
When we tried to pass the ball (in keeping with most of this season) we looked laboured, like we were more concerned with giving as many players as possible a touch rather than finding a route through to goal. It looked like passing to avoid responsibility.
Villa teams in the not too distant past have been able to combine an attractive style of play with decent results, so I don't think that patience (or lack of) from fans is the issue. When the side looks unconvincing -regardless of what style we're supposedly trying to implement- the crowd pick up on that.
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The reason why so many fans get angry at our constant cross field passing and being "patient" is because we have too many weak links at the back who are not comfortable on the ball and do not pass with sufficiently accurate and correctly weighted passes. Top teams can do it because they have the personnel with the skills to do it. We do not.
Nigel Reo Coker was one of only two or three who played reasonably well against Wigan but he does not have the technique or the confidence to move the ball from side to side for twenty passes until the killer pass is delivered. It is far better to use players like Nigel in a high tempo, high energy sustained assault at the opposition than to try to be Barcelona.
The most glaring example was the move which began with us winning possession on the edge of Wigan's box ending up with Dunne putting it out for a Wigan corner without one of their players touching the ball.
I wish we did have the players to play the beautiful game so beautifully that it makes you swoon with pleasure but we do not and very few teams do.
As for the very odd and unmerited comment from somebody that we treat Dave Woodhall like Royalty I can't think of anything he has done to make me want to treat him so badly.
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Dave W, can you tell me what to have for tea please, I just can't decide without you telling me what to think.
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I am convinced we're going to get relegated :(
I don't think we are, but I do not think we are as safe yet as most people seem to think. I have this gut feeling Man U are going to lose their last two games, which affects considerably the relegatin situation.
I still think it is squeaky bum time.
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Dave W, can you tell me what to have for tea please, I just can't decide without you telling me what to think.
You're in Hill Top, so scratchings and faggots probably.
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Dave W, can you tell me what to have for tea please, I just can't decide without you telling me what to think.
You're in Hill Top, so scratchings and faggots probably.
And spending the afternoon flying his Whippets.
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Battered by Arsenal
A defeat by Liverpool
Just about surviving, Houllier to quit, then another drawn out hunt for a manager. A mass clearout when he eventually arrives not getting all the players we need going into next season making another poor start.
what a little ray of sunshine you are
Realist I would say
Add to that we are linked with Ian St John and Alan Sunderland based on the success of Robert Pires
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Dave W, can you tell me what to have for tea please, I just can't decide without you telling me what to think.
You're in Hill Top, so scratchings and faggots probably.
Just to be totally stereotypical I do have a big pan of grey peas and bacon in the slow cooker.
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Anyway, prediction:
Unfortunately, Houllier will have to call it a day and may take a role at the club somewhere, which I'd like.
I think Moyes will get the job although not who I'd choose, and he'll do well. He'll also have money to spend and will just the sort of guy to ruthlessly overhaul the squad and dish out some much needed kicks up the arse.
McAllister will be offered a coaching role.
Moyes will probably agree to many of the transfer deals Houllier has lined up and will add a few gems of his own.
We'll enter next season leaner, meaner and with renewed momentum.
I predict you're bang on the money there, Maz.
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The reason why so many fans get angry at our constant cross field passing and being "patient" is because we have too many weak links at the back who are not comfortable on the ball and do not pass with sufficiently accurate and correctly weighted passes. Top teams can do it because they have the personnel with the skills to do it. We do not.
Nigel Reo Coker was one of only two or three who played reasonably well against Wigan but he does not have the technique or the confidence to move the ball from side to side for twenty passes until the killer pass is delivered. It is far better to use players like Nigel in a high tempo, high energy sustained assault at the opposition than to try to be Barcelona.
The most glaring example was the move which began with us winning possession on the edge of Wigan's box ending up with Dunne putting it out for a Wigan corner without one of their players touching the ball.
I wish we did have the players to play the beautiful game so beautifully that it makes you swoon with pleasure but we do not and very few teams do.
As for the very odd and unmerited comment from somebody that we treat Dave Woodhall like Royalty I can't think of anything he has done to make me want to treat him so badly.
Nice post, BG.
When Percy said that you don't try and make a cup of coffee with a teabag, he wasn't kidding around.
Of course, GH might reply using the words of his compatriot Robespierre that you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
No doubt Mr Woodhall is a devious Machiavellian manipulator who maintains a stranglehold on discussion on this forum. We are all, in the words of Mrs. Overall, his "little followers".
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Anyway, prediction:
Unfortunately, Houllier will have to call it a day and may take a role at the club somewhere, which I'd like.
I think Moyes will get the job although not who I'd choose, and he'll do well. He'll also have money to spend and will just the sort of guy to ruthlessly overhaul the squad and dish out some much needed kicks up the arse.
McAllister will be offered a coaching role.
Moyes will probably agree to many of the transfer deals Houllier has lined up and will add a few gems of his own.
We'll enter next season leaner, meaner and with renewed momentum.
I predict you're bang on the money there, Maz.
Houllier is welcome to do some scouting, maybe.
But personally, I don't want him anywhere near the day to day running of the club.
He's shown absolutely nothing this season to say that employing him in some sort of 'upstairs' capacity would benefit us.
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The most glaring example was the move which began with us winning possession on the edge of Wigan's box ending up with Dunne putting it out for a Wigan corner without one of their players touching the ball.
That's the single most depressing instant of "football" I can remember seeing in years and years.
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Anyway, prediction:
Unfortunately, Houllier will have to call it a day and may take a role at the club somewhere, which I'd like.
I think Moyes will get the job although not who I'd choose, and he'll do well. He'll also have money to spend and will just the sort of guy to ruthlessly overhaul the squad and dish out some much needed kicks up the arse.
McAllister will be offered a coaching role.
Moyes will probably agree to many of the transfer deals Houllier has lined up and will add a few gems of his own.
We'll enter next season leaner, meaner and with renewed momentum.
I predict you're bang on the money there, Maz.
Houllier is welcome to do some scouting, maybe.
But personally, I don't want him anywhere near the day to day running of the club.
He's shown absolutely nothing this season to say that employing him in some sort of 'upstairs' capacity would benefit us.
That may be the case Fletch but it wouldn't surprise me if that's what the board decide to do.
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Anyway, prediction:
Unfortunately, Houllier will have to call it a day and may take a role at the club somewhere, which I'd like.
I think Moyes will get the job although not who I'd choose, and he'll do well. He'll also have money to spend and will just the sort of guy to ruthlessly overhaul the squad and dish out some much needed kicks up the arse.
McAllister will be offered a coaching role.
Moyes will probably agree to many of the transfer deals Houllier has lined up and will add a few gems of his own.
We'll enter next season leaner, meaner and with renewed momentum.
I predict you're bang on the money there, Maz.
Houllier is welcome to do some scouting, maybe.
But personally, I don't want him anywhere near the day to day running of the club.
He's shown absolutely nothing this season to say that employing him in some sort of 'upstairs' capacity would benefit us.
That may be the case Fletch but it wouldn't surprise me if that's what the board decide to do.
I can't see it. Moyes and Houllier may be pals, but I don't think Moyes want to be perceived as Houllier's junior.
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Day to day running, no. His health wouldn't alow for it either. Long term infrastructure building (academies, scouting, etc) with his own staff, yes.
No managerial influence or interference but an old head there as an advisor when required.
Hang on a sec, I'm just writing out his job description.
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Day to day running, no. His health wouldn't alow for it either. Long term infrastructure building (academies, scouting, etc) with his own staff, yes.
No managerial influence or interference but an old head there as an advisor when required.
Hang on a sec, I'm just writing out his job description.
The Academy side is going swimmingly as it is.
Sorry, I wish him the best of health, but it's pointless having him around.
If he's based in Europe recommending players, then fair enough.
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The most glaring example was the move which began with us winning possession on the edge of Wigan's box ending up with Dunne putting it out for a Wigan corner without one of their players touching the ball.
That's the single most depressing instant of "football" I can remember seeing in years and years.
Remember the Curtis Davies classic?
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Day to day running, no. His health wouldn't alow for it either. Long term infrastructure building (academies, scouting, etc) with his own staff, yes.
No managerial influence or interference but an old head there as an advisor when required.
Hang on a sec, I'm just writing out his job description.
The Academy side is going swimmingly as it is.
Sorry, I wish him the best of health, but it's pointless having him around.
If he's based in Europe recommending players, then fair enough.
That could be a good solution,i'm sure if he's living back in France he'll take in plenty of games,could be a good French and Spanish scout.
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Why cant we have a debate? Mr Woodhall speaks and all the usual suspects treat him like Royalty.. Its possible 'fans' have different opinions.
Come again?
Not after he's been banned (cue comedy trombone (er...if you found that funny...I think I did...for a minute...maybe) oh, ok, I'll get me coat).
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Day to day running, no. His health wouldn't alow for it either. Long term infrastructure building (academies, scouting, etc) with his own staff, yes.
No managerial influence or interference but an old head there as an advisor when required.
Hang on a sec, I'm just writing out his job description.
The Academy side is going swimmingly as it is.
Sorry, I wish him the best of health, but it's pointless having him around.
If he's based in Europe recommending players, then fair enough.
We have one academy, which is superb. And that academy should always be the nucleus of the young talent we get.
But I mean having academies and centres of excellence all over the world. As well as a network of feeder clubs and so on.
Somebody has to oversee that kind of operation.
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OK, my prediction:-
We'll secure safety with an unexpected point at Arsenal.
Gezza will retire due to ill health and take up the position of non-executive director, similar to what Sir Graham did for a while, to be that voice of football knowledge on the board.
Moyes will get the job.
Spurs will sell players to balance their wagebill and this will prompt 15 separate threads on H&V comparing our wages to theirs.
Moyes will clear out a lot of players, but with NRC and Collins staying.
Everytime his transfer record at Everton is brought up someone will mention signing Phil Neville.
The 'someone' mentioned above will often be me.
We'll get a few players in to the point where we're concerned about numbers, but generally happy with the quality.
QPR away will be our first game.
We'll start slowly, relying on that old 'transitional season' catchphrase, but improve as we go on and finish 7th.
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The fact is, the name G Houilier is more of a draw , especially for young foreign players, than Moyes is.
I hope GH stays, and i think the kind of players he will bring in will eventually be successful.Makoun looks like the kind of player we need at the club, and if he is an example of the kind of plyer that GH is trying to bring in, then i hope he stays.
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The fact is, the name G Houilier is more of a draw , especially for young foreign players, than Moyes is.
I hope GH stays, and i think the kind of players he will bring in will eventually be successful.Makoun looks like the kind of player we need at the club, and if he is an example of the kind of plyer that GH is trying to bring in, then i hope he stays.
Eh? Pienaar, Fellani, Cahill & Arteta were all signed by Moyes and would enhance Villa.
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We'll start slowly, relying on that old 'transitional season' catchphrase, but improve as we go on and finish 7th.
Sounds like Everton. Suppose we will be when Moyesy comes in.
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GH retires and MON comes back, He will have patched things up with the club and be looking forward to another chance to have a crack at a top 4 place.
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GH retires and MON comes back, He will have patched things up with the club and be looking forward to another chance to have a crack at a top 4 place.
Oh Lordy!
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I think they'll try KMac out again; we'll lose that first game against QPR 7-0 and we will then panic and bring Jo Venglos out of retirement to transition us through the season ... ending in another relegation battle.
Or:
We'll bring in McLeish to become our saviour who will transition us through the season ... ending in another relegation battle.
Or:
We get serious and bring in a Lambert, Coyle or McDermott to operate with GHou as a non-executive "Godfather" to the chosen one.