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Title: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 05, 2011, 11:48:40 PM
 Clicky  (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13301409.stm)

So the FA have delayed a decision on whether QPR will lose points until after the last games of the season, anyone else think that this is purely so they know exactly how many points to deduct so QPR still get promoted and the play-offs aren't all buggered up and no one will sue?
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 05, 2011, 11:53:04 PM
That was my first thought.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: TheSandman on May 05, 2011, 11:56:39 PM
If somebody like Cardiff misses out due to a smaller deduction could they sue a la Sheffield United and West Ham?
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 06, 2011, 06:06:41 AM
If QPR are found guilty of these charges then I believe they should be dealt with extremely harshly (Mostly because I had a bet with a workmate at the start of the year that Cardiff would finish above them)
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 06, 2011, 07:13:40 AM
They'll get off rather lightly and still be promoted.

Wankers to a man at the FA.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: lovejoy on May 06, 2011, 07:18:37 AM
If the points deduction doesn't impact their their promotion it woild effectively be no punishment for breaking the rules. It just doesn't make sense. What is wrong with the rule being that they lose any points in which that player took part?
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Legion on May 06, 2011, 08:09:13 AM
They're being presented with the trophy after their last match and will be parading it around the ground.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: nick harper on May 06, 2011, 08:40:24 AM
The FA have created this problem for themselves by taking more than 2 months to consider the case from the time QPR were first charged. Whichever way it goes, it will get messy for any one or more of the clubs at the top of the Championship bar Norwich.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: DrGonzo on May 06, 2011, 08:48:24 AM
I have a strange feeling QPR will manage to finish in the 2nd automatic promotion spot.  And every unsuccesful club in the play offs will sue the feck out of them.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: richard moore on May 06, 2011, 08:49:27 AM
I expect the FA are waiting for the cheque to clear...
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: darren woolley on May 06, 2011, 09:06:47 AM
I think they will get a fine.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Mister E on May 06, 2011, 09:27:00 AM
I have a strange feeling QPR will manage to finish in the 2nd automatic promotion spot.  And every unsuccesful club in the play offs will sue the feck out of them.
They won't becuase I do not think there is a set tariff of points-deduction.
The FA will wriggle out of it by doing a small points-deduction and a large fine. Everyone's honour remains intact .... ho, hum. The system stinks.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: CJ on May 06, 2011, 09:41:01 AM
The FA will bottle it as usual. If they deduct sufficient points to deprive QPR of the Championship trophy, or worse still to put them into the play-offs, QPR will appeal, probably using the West Ham case as a precedent, and it will drag on for weeks, screwing up all the play-offs.  Having left things so late to deal with it the FA have yet again shot themselves in the foot. My guess is they'll fine them and deduct points to coincidentally leave them on the same number of points as Norwich but still going up as Champions on goal difference.

Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Merv on May 06, 2011, 09:55:25 AM
My guess is they'll fine them and deduct points to coincidentally leave them on the same number of points as Norwich but still going up as Champions on goal difference.

My guess too. Didn't they finish six points ahead of Norwich? So it'll be six points deducted, or five, and no actual harm done.

Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: CJ on May 06, 2011, 10:00:07 AM
My guess is they'll fine them and deduct points to coincidentally leave them on the same number of points as Norwich but still going up as Champions on goal difference.

My guess too. Didn't they finish six points ahead of Norwich? So it'll be six points deducted, or five, and no actual harm done.


5 points ahead with one game to go - hence the delay in announcing it
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Dave P on May 06, 2011, 10:01:31 AM
The FA are gutless.  When West Ham did it, the rules on third party ownership were sketchy at best.  Now it is black and white.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 06, 2011, 10:19:16 AM
They're being presented with the trophy after their last match and will be parading it around the ground.
Yes, it was approved by the FA.
Tells you everything you need to know.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: placeforparks on May 06, 2011, 11:03:35 AM
The FA are gutless.  When West Ham did it, the rules on third party ownership were sketchy at best.  Now it is black and white.

but the crux of their argument is that when the transfer was made the rules weren't black and white, and the deal was cleared by both the football league and the fa.

the fa have dug their own hole here re: the timing. this should have been hammered out months ago.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 06, 2011, 11:09:11 AM
I think they will get a fine.

Oh no !!  they wont be able to afford to pay it 
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: DB on May 06, 2011, 11:10:05 AM
They're being presented with the trophy after their last match and will be parading it around the ground.
Yes, it was approved by the FA.
Tells you everything you need to know.


and if they wern't that would also say a lot. At the end of the day regardless of the decision they are champions as they have been the best team over the season.... a decision from above can't change that only take away soem of those points they have won.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: mal on May 06, 2011, 11:34:03 AM
When West Ham did it it was just as black and white. They should have had a 20 point deduction Tevez and Mascherano should have been banned for a year and the clubs they were then playing for also deducted 10 points a piece. But we all know why that didn't happen, don't we?
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on May 06, 2011, 11:52:58 AM
if it was anyone else other than a cockerney club, they would be slaughtered...
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 06, 2011, 12:21:58 PM
If somebody like Cardiff misses out due to a smaller deduction could they sue a la Sheffield United and West Ham?

They would be well advised to keep quiet about the matter.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/05/cardiff-city-qpr-third-party-ownership
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: CJ on May 06, 2011, 12:27:32 PM
Seems crazy that teams in the same division are subject to different rules of different FA's
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Small Rodent on May 06, 2011, 12:59:13 PM
Maybe they'll have the deduction next season?
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 06, 2011, 01:02:15 PM
You can almost guarantee Ken Bates will be the first to kick up a shitstorm now he's sorted out the ownership issue at Leeds.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Michel Sibble on May 06, 2011, 05:15:37 PM
Maybe they'll have the deduction next season?

-7 points and bottom in August. That'll do.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: lovejoy on May 06, 2011, 06:39:20 PM
While we're on Leeds didn't Bates state under oath he didn't know who they're owners were? And then, whilst on the cusp of promotion play offs the owners decide to sell to Bates.

Please move away there's nothing to see here.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 07, 2011, 11:46:58 AM
Found guilty, will be fined, no points deduction. - BBC "understands"
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: VillaZogmariner on May 07, 2011, 11:58:29 AM
That's twice now that teams have blatantly broken the rules and only had a minimal fine compared to the prize money of the Premiership. What is to stop other teams doing that now?

The FA really are spineless ******.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Ad@m on May 07, 2011, 12:11:31 PM
Now confirmed in an FA statement.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 07, 2011, 12:13:54 PM
FA.

What a bunch of toothless tarts.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 07, 2011, 12:29:38 PM
To be fair Sheff Utd were relegated because the FA didn't deduct west ham Points.

it would have been a kick in the bollocks to deduct them points. Doesn't make it fair but that's life
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 07, 2011, 12:31:25 PM
FA.

What a bunch of toothless tarts.

I do agree with this also
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: lovejoy on May 07, 2011, 01:20:52 PM
They've been found guilty of 2 charges - what is the punishment exactly?
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Ad@m on May 07, 2011, 01:25:06 PM
They've been found guilty of 2 charges - what is the punishment exactly?

No mention in the BBC article.  They're owned by the richest guy in the world though so a fine would basically mean there's no punishment.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 07, 2011, 04:18:11 PM
I'm pleased for them as my brother is a QPR supporter and it's one of my favourite away grounds.

I'm most impressed that my brother has just sent me a photo of Mick Jones from The clash saying hi to me taken at the game today!
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: The Left Side on May 07, 2011, 05:10:14 PM
As said earlier, spineless
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Summers on May 07, 2011, 09:23:34 PM
725k fine. So.. that's pocket change to them.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: hawkeye on May 07, 2011, 10:12:58 PM
I'm pleased for them as my brother is a QPR supporter and it's one of my favourite away grounds.

I'm most impressed that my brother has just sent me a photo of Mick Jones from The clash saying hi to me taken at the game today!
Top Geezer M Jones
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: Tony on May 07, 2011, 10:40:50 PM
West Ham incident set the precedent here, although it would have been funny to see the reaction of Colin Wanker had the FA done to QPR what he felt they should have done to West Ham.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - QPR points deduction verdict delayed.
Post by: lovejoy on May 08, 2011, 11:10:05 AM
You break the rules and gain c £60m and so as punishment you're fined £800k. WTF?
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