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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Villa'Zawg on May 02, 2011, 11:40:09 AM
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Aston Villa to work on defending corners and free-kicks in pre-season
VILLA will go back to basics to learn how to defend corners and free-kicks in pre-season after again ruing their susceptibility to set-pieces.
They reacted slower than Albion at every single phase of the deadball move which brought their rivals back into Saturday’s game.
Peter Odemwingie pounced to poke in James Morrison’s free-kick for the equaliser as West Brom pinballed it around the box with the Villa defence static. Villa have now let in 57 Premier League goals this season.
“Maybe there’s a wee bit of something mentally at the moment with set-pieces,” said Gary McAllister.
“Defending set-pieces has got to be better. That’s something we’ve really got to brush up on. A good six weeks in the pre-season is where you set that in the players.
“It was an unneccessary foul, but then you’ve got the chance to defend it. It was a harmless ball up to the back post unchallenged and then as it’s ricocheting about they get the break of the ball.”
McAllister is reluctant to blame Saturday’s defeat solely on the backline and believes Villa’s passing play still lacks the zip to finish their opponents off.
“You don’t just look at the defensive side,” he added.
“When you get in front you must be more confident and relaxed in possession. Even though we had good possession, it wasn’t going at the pace we showed in training. It may have been a little bit safe and it didn’t have the zip which we’re trying to get into the players.
“We need slick passing and movement. We’re very much aware that it can’t be all that, the whole thing’s got to be right.
“We don’t want to play tippy-tappy football. We want to play winning fast football.”
Birmingham Mail - Clicky (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2011/05/02/aston-villa-to-work-on-defending-corners-and-free-kicks-in-pre-season-97319-28617296/#ixzz1LBqOGcHl)
Forget about the implications of waiting for pre-season to put right our set-piece problems, using the phrase " tippy-tappy football" to describe our play will be the final straw for some on here.
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“Maybe there’s a wee bit of something mentally at the moment with set-pieces,” said Gary McAllister.
“Defending set-pieces has got to be better. That’s something we’ve really got to brush up on. A good six weeks in the pre-season is where you set that in the players.
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I for one agree whole-heartedly with McAllister, and I am glad that he has noticed that we seem to be susceptible to conceding goals at set-pieces. It's an excellent idea to try, oh, I don't know, doing something about it in training, too. This is the kind of progressive, pro-active coaching that we need, and no mistake.
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So he says he wants us to play "winning fast football". Says we have to "brush up on our defending".
Where's the drama?
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I for one agree whole-heartedly with McAllister, and I am glad that he has noticed that we seem to be susceptible to conceding goals at set-pieces. It's an excellent idea to try, oh, I don't know, doing something about it in training, too. This is the kind of progressive, pro-active coaching that we need, and no mistake.
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I wholeheartedly agree.
I also think its great that our management team feel that its right to correct these defensive frailities in July/August.
No point in fucking about with the defensive duties during the season...is there ?
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Bullshit
Typical of the man, can't see the wood for the trees
An excuse maker of the first order, get rid, and quick
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So he says he wants us to play "winning fast football". Says we have to "brush up on our defending".
Where's the drama?
He wants to play winning fast football, so he plays a 37 year old in centre midfield?
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“When you get in front you must be more confident and relaxed in possession. Even though we had good possession, it wasn’t going at the pace we showed in training. It may have been a little bit safe and it didn’t have the zip which we’re trying to get into the players.
“We need slick passing and movement. We’re very much aware that it can’t be all that, the whole thing’s got to be right.
“We don’t want to play tippy-tappy football. We want to play winning fast football.”
Hallelujah, he has seen what we all can see !!!. So Gary, why if you feel that we weren't going forward at pace, did you take off Reo-Coker, replace with Pires and have the slowest central midfield partnership in god knows how long. Even David Hunt in 87-88 was quicker than them pair !!!!.
From my view, three rows from the back of the Smethwick, it was crying out for Delph to come on and as Big Ron would say, "Drive the game". He was the only central midfield player in our matchday squad who can actually run with the ball at pace and go round players. I'm convinced if we had brought him on, even for Gabby and gone 4-3-3 we would have won the game comfortably.
Two decisions this season have baffled and annoyed me in equal measure. The Man City debacle and the introduction of Pires on Saturday. As long as I live, will never understand either.
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I hope it's an entirely new management team (preferrably one that knows what its doing) carrying out some long overdue work on the defensive side of things pre-season.
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So just what do the players do mid week then? :o
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Fast Football?
It's a good job we had those whippets Petrov & Pires in midfield on Saturday then.
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Truly staggering, what a tosser.
A bit like zonal marking isn't working we'll fix it next season
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So just what do the players do mid week then? :o
Exactly, this is getting stupid now. OMG, are they thick or do they just think we are?
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So he says he wants us to play "winning fast football". Says we have to "brush up on our defending".
Where's the drama?
I think it stems from the implication that he's still going to be here next season.
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So he says he wants us to play "winning fast football". Says we have to "brush up on our defending".
Where's the drama?
I'd like to think that our highly paid management team would have tried to do something about our dismal defending during the season. I'm old fashioned like that.
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So he says he wants us to play "winning fast football". Says we have to "brush up on our defending".
Where's the drama?
I'd like to think that our highly paid management team would have tried to do something about our dismal defending during the season. I'm old fashioned like that.
Yes, I'm a bit old fashoined like that as well.
I am certain my boss won't mind if I say that I will look at any problems next month... no rush!
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There was a time where every answer to a question that DOL was asked was analysed and over analysed. Gmac is now getting the same. He is saying what we are seeing, so at least the coaching staff are able to see the obvious, unlike the previous regime that buried their heads in the sand! I am also sure that even if GED returns this summer, there will be another coach or two added to the staff to support this side of things. I am hoping that GMac and GED to go now though, for my health as much as his, simply to not have to read the continuous monotony of picking on every word and repeating the same thing ad-nausea. Off topic is much more interesting than football these days.
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why pre-season. work on the fooker today , it should have been worked on 6 mths ago.
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Yes the Villa players will be working on set pieces in the break but hopefully without McAllister and Dunne.
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There was a time where every answer to a question that DOL was asked was analysed and over analysed. Gmac is now getting the same. He is saying what we are seeing, so at least the coaching staff are able to see the obvious, unlike the previous regime that buried their heads in the sand! I am also sure that even if GED returns this summer, there will be another coach or two added to the staff to support this side of things. I am hoping that GMac and GED to go now though, for my health as much as his, simply to not have to read the continuous monotony of picking on every word and repeating the same thing ad-nausea. Off topic is much more interesting than football these days.
Awfully sorry Ozzjim, but some of us don't enjoy being beaten in three local Derbies in the same season and having to rely on beating Wigan on Saturday to make sure we stay up with 3 games to go.
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Is this guy serious? How much do we pay him?
The summit of my football coaching is running the school team, yet even I can identify when a team of 10 and 11 year-olds are not particularly good at something and then have a go at rectifying it straight away.
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Genius, pure genius.
Pre season should be used to replace the one with the arse strain - maybe it's because his arse is just far too large !
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After the frist half dozen games of the season we needed to work on defending set pieces, nearly got relegated and he suddenly realises it's a problem.
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Why pre-season? Why not now? Or even better when you first took charge?
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Nice to see he's identified the problem three weeks before the season finishes.
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It is hard to know where to start with idiocy like this.
Saying stuff like this, its as if they're going out of their way tto make things harder for themselves.
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Why pre-season?
Maybe the club will buy some defenders ?
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Why pre-season?
Maybe the club will buy some defenders ?
What about the really good Spanish one and the talented youngster who dont get a start while those two wasters continue to get picked?
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We do need to work on our defending in the summer i agree but by then we should have some new defenders in and replaced the ones we don't need and hopefully the ones we do bring in are better than the ones we have got now ie Beye, Warnock, and Dunne so you see we just need defenders who can defend.
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The thing is, the defenders that we've got now are good enough, they were last season, one of them even got into the PFA team of the year, so what's changed?
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Why pre-season?
Maybe the club will buy some defenders ?
What about the really good Spanish one and the talented youngster who dont get a start while those two wasters continue to get picked?
Yes. Clarke is a good prospect. He makes playing football look easy. I like Carlos too, as a centre back, but his chances of playing are/will be limited if Houllier remains as Manager.
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For whatever reason it is the regular non-selection of Cuellar in defence is one of the biggest cases of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face I've seen in a long time.
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Why pre-season?
Maybe the club will buy some defenders ?
What about the really good Spanish one and the talented youngster who dont get a start while those two wasters continue to get picked?
Yes. Clarke is a good prospect. He makes playing football look easy. I like Carlos too, as a centre back, but his chances of playing are/will be limited if Houllier remains as Manager.
Clarke and Cuellar should be first choice next season.
Fuck Collins and Dunne off, buy another centre half to wait in the wings with Baker.
All provided we get a new management team.
Giving good new signings for McAllister to handle would be like feeding strawberries to a pig.
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Every time the bloke opens his mouth to the press, I find myself wincing. He really is out of his depth. Set piece defending/attacking drills can be set up at any time of the year, not just in pre-season. The man is an absolute joke and shouldn't be in the position he's in. Lower down the leagues, perhaps. But not at Aston Villa.
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For whatever reason it is the regular non-selection of Cuellar in defence is one of the biggest cases of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face I've seen in a long time.
Agreed, certainly not since last season. When he's been given the chance this season, Carlos had never let us down. Whilst he's not a Laursen-type defender, he's bloody brilliant at taking care of the more skillfull, tricky strikers. Add to that, he loves the club, never complains and gives nothing less than 100%, he most certainly is our best central defender.
There are few players in our squad that deserve our upmost respect and Carlos is one of them. He, like us, deserves better.
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There was a time where every answer to a question that DOL was asked was analysed and over analysed. Gmac is now getting the same. He is saying what we are seeing, so at least the coaching staff are able to see the obvious, unlike the previous regime that buried their heads in the sand! I am also sure that even if GED returns this summer, there will be another coach or two added to the staff to support this side of things. I am hoping that GMac and GED to go now though, for my health as much as his, simply to not have to read the continuous monotony of picking on every word and repeating the same thing ad-nausea. Off topic is much more interesting than football these days.
Awfully sorry Ozzjim, but some of us don't enjoy being beaten in three local Derbies in the same season and having to rely on beating Wigan on Saturday to make sure we stay up with 3 games to go.
and most of don't like losing 26 points from winning position. Being the most "turned around" team is humiliating behind belief.
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Gary McAllister today insisted Villa’s poor defending from set-pieces will be rectified this summer after bemoaning more dropped points against Albion.
Villa have tossed away 26 points from winning positions this season after more defensive lapses cost them a 25-year unbeaten record against the Baggies in Saturday’s 2-1 defeat at The Hawthorns.
McAllister believes defending set-pieces has become a mental issue for Villa’s players.
“Maybe it is a wee bit at the moment,” said Villa’s assistant boss, who revealed the squad will return for pre-season on July 6 or 7.
“But we certainly need to be defending better from our set-pieces. That’s something we’ve really got to brush up on. My feeling is it will take a good six weeks during pre-season to organise and drill.
“We’re well aware of that and it’s not good enough. If we’d stayed in front in all of those games (where they had been ahead) we might be talking about finishing higher.”Did this bloke used to be a Rocket scientist?
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Gary McAllister claims Aston Villa's squad does not require major changes this summer in order to ensure a better season next term.
Villa's assistant boss is in caretaker charge while Gerard Houllier recuperates following a spell in hospital after he was suffering from chest pains recently. And McAllister, who presided over Saturday's disappointing 2-1 defeat at local rivals West Brom - Villa's first loss to Albion in 26 years - claims they are still the Midlands' biggest club and he is confident better times are in store next season.
On Villa, who have now thrown away 26 points from winning positions this term which would have put them second in the table, McAllister told the Birmingham Mail: "We're well aware of that.
"It's not good enough. We know that and the players know that. That's the frustrating thing.
"Listen, I know the stats, if we'd remained in front of all of those games we might have been talking about something else so that's something we're very aware of.
"There's not a great deal needs changing here. What happened here before we came suggests that.
"We've had a season which we know has not been good enough, but there's still been pluses.
"If we tickle it and get it right there's no massive change needed.
"It's a case of Gerard stamping his philosophy on and putting his stamp on the club and the team."
Not just one journalist getting it wrong then!!!
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"There's not a great deal needs changing here. What happened here before we came suggests that.
Hmm, a more cynical man than I could suggest that looking at what happened before they came and where we are now suggests one thing that could use changing.
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Put the f****** thing in row Z - would be an improvement
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i think Gerrard said something about 5 years of bad habits in defending before he took ill and said we will leave it till pre season.
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Put the f****** thing in row Z - would be an improvement
I disagree there. It's the constant kick and rush tactics employed by the likes of Collins and Friedel that have caused so many problems. I wish we'd take a leaf out of Clark's book (or better still, play him!) and play the ball out of defence instead of blasting it to anywhere. All this does is invite pressure on the defence and cause us to concede too many set-pieces (which we can't defend). We need to learn to take control of the ball at the back instead of panicking and maybe then, with a bit of ball retention, we will improve.
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There was a time where every answer to a question that DOL was asked was analysed and over analysed. Gmac is now getting the same. He is saying what we are seeing, so at least the coaching staff are able to see the obvious, unlike the previous regime that buried their heads in the sand! I am also sure that even if GED returns this summer, there will be another coach or two added to the staff to support this side of things. I am hoping that GMac and GED to go now though, for my health as much as his, simply to not have to read the continuous monotony of picking on every word and repeating the same thing ad-nausea. Off topic is much more interesting than football these days.
Awfully sorry Ozzjim, but some of us don't enjoy being beaten in three local Derbies in the same season and having to rely on beating Wigan on Saturday to make sure we stay up with 3 games to go.
and most of don't like losing 26 points from winning position. Being the most "turned around" team is humiliating behind belief.
I'm pretty sure Clampy is not enjoying too. (I think) his point is that there are a lot of people who are just criticising GMac because they don't like him rather than the specifics of what he is saying or adding anything constructive.
Anyway, moving on. From what I have just been reading on MattKendrick's twitter, it appears that some of the defender have refused to take on Houllier's instructions to have Man-to-man marking (compared to MON's) zonal marking for set pieces.
This, if true, is insane. How can you have a team that has some players using one system and others another. Alternatively, say you're Clark and you have Dunne (example only, but likely candidate) telling you to zonal mark during the matches whereas you've spent your time practising man marking on the training pitch.
Neither group, the players or coaches, come out of this in a good light but it does - somewhat - explain why we have been so shit at defending.
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"If we tickle it and get it right there's no massive change needed.''
Scary.
Another reason to get this complete arse out of the club.
The squad needs over hauling.
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Put the f****** thing in row Z - would be an improvement
I disagree there. It's the constant kick and rush tactics employed by the likes of Collins and Friedel that have caused so many problems. I wish we'd take a leaf out of Clark's book (or better still, play him!) and play the ball out of defence instead of blasting it to anywhere. All this does is invite pressure on the defence and cause us to concede too many set-pieces (which we can't defend). We need to learn to take control of the ball at the back instead of panicking and maybe then, with a bit of ball retention, we will improve.
Row Z still an improvement on what they do at the moment.
And if we are 1-0 up on Saturday with 5 mins to go - Row Z will be where I hope it goes.
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Truly staggering, what a tosser.
A bit like zonal marking isn't working we'll fix it next season
Exactly
Fuck me how long does it take to say to a player "you mark him at corners and free kicks" 3 seconds not 3 months
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A massive overhaul is needed at least 12 out i reckon, Osbourne, Salifou,NRC, Guzan, Freidel, Beye, Warnock, Ireland, Heskey, Dunne, Carlos only because no management seem to like his way of playing and Marshall for starters. Walker needs to improve his defending if he stays or move him to the wings.
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So he wants us to play fast winning football and defend better from set pieces. A bit like we did for the last two seasons before Houllier and him turned up eh.
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A massive overhaul is needed at least 12 out i reckon, Osbourne, Salifou,NRC, Guzan, Freidel, Beye, Warnock, Ireland, Heskey, Dunne, Carlos only because no management seem to like his way of playing and Marshall for starters. Walker needs to improve his defending if he stays or move him to the wings.
Agree with all but Carlos. Hopefully we'll have a new manager and one that appreciates him and plays him at CB with Clark.
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How about working on it this week, you clueless idiot?
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It's OK folks, nothing to see here.
The management know there is a problem and will address it... in a bit.
TBH, not sure why this latest revelation is causing such a stir. His master said similar after the Man Citeh debacle.
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Tks for that mind blowing statement GMac ............anyone going to Emirates for the away
day party will understand why my costume this year will be - a 'clown'
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How about working on it this week, you clueless idiot?
Or 6 months ago perhaps?
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How about working on it this week, you clueless idiot?
Or 6 months ago perhaps?
...The journalist fella McKendrick has been tweeting today and he implies that they have been working on it but some players are refusing to adopt/change to Man-to-Man from MON's zonal marking. This broadly aligns with what the guy off the guardian has been saying.
So we can blame the coaches but also the players must accept some responsibility for their behaviour. Maybe they've agreed a truce until the season ends and then a unified strategy can be put together.
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Truly staggering, what a tosser.
A bit like zonal marking isn't working we'll fix it next season
Exactly
Fuck me how long does it take to say to a player "you mark him at corners and free kicks" 3 seconds not 3 months
I'm surprised we haven't just instructed our players not to go up for a corner or free kick, no point, save your energy, we'll fix it next season.
I can only think that player power rules at Bodymoor Heath or they haven't got a clue.
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Clueless idiot.
For God sake please go.
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Didn't Houllier make some comment a while back along the lines of I can't fix the defence until next season? They really are a shambles, i'm convinced McAllister is the main problem the guy is a moron.
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Why pre-season?
Maybe the club will buy some defenders ?
What about the really good Spanish one and the talented youngster who dont get a start while those two wasters continue to get picked?
That really gets my goat as well, Cuellar is the best centre back at the club and the poor fucker never gets to play there, He was RB when Mon was here and now he's on the bench, Even Clark is ahead of him
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How about working on it this week, you clueless idiot?
Or 6 months ago perhaps?
...The journalist fella McKendrick has been tweeting today and he implies that they have been working on it but some players are refusing to adopt/change to Man-to-Man from MON's zonal marking. This broadly aligns with what the guy off the guardian has been saying.
So we can blame the coaches but also the players must accept some responsibility for their behaviour. Maybe they've agreed a truce until the season ends and then a unified strategy can be put together.
If that is true then who are the ones that are refusing to adapt? If it's Dunne and Collins then why are they playing? If it's Clark and Cuellar then why are they even on the bench? And whoever it is, why did we not just bring in 2 new defenders in January? I have serious doubts about this management and if they are saying that they can't get the players to adapt then they are as piss weak and uninspiring as they seem.
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I heard Lee Dixon speaking the other day about how George Graham would take him, Bould, Adams and Winterburn through what was expected of them positionally in different situations. He did it day-after-day, week-after-week. He said it was mind-numbingly dull, but eventually it became second nature.
I suppose that's the difference between having a defence as tight as a gnat's snatch, or one as gaping as Jordan's.
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Gary Mcallister in todays Metro ' we will be buying a new left back in the summer of 2019 and a new goalkeeper in the January transfer window of 2044'
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I heard Lee Dixon speaking the other day about how George Graham would take him, Bould, Adams and Winterburn through what was expected of them positionally in different situations. He did it day-after-day, week-after-week. He said it was mind-numbingly dull, but eventually it became second nature.
I suppose that's the difference between having a defence as tight as a gnat's snatch, or one as gaping as Jordan's.
What a great way to put it ;D
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Gary Mcallister in todays Mirror ' we might ask Ashley Young to stop taking every fooking free kick'
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If that is true then who are the ones that are refusing to adapt? If it's Dunne and Collins then why are they playing? If it's Clark and Cuellar then why are they even on the bench? And whoever it is, why did we not just bring in 2 new defenders in January? I have serious doubts about this management and if they are saying that they can't get the players to adapt then they are as piss weak and uninspiring as they seem.
Shockinng isn't it. The guy off the guardian has been saying for a while that Houllier has had to deal with loads of stuff behind the scenes from the players. Pure speculation but I'd imagine that there was a point where he got close to kicking those players out (at the height of the mutiny speculation) however what can he do, when they're experience players and arguably very good players. Exactly what we need to get us out of this.
He'd look an even bigger mug if he dropped Dunne/Collins* completely and played less experienced players and we continued to lose. In the meantime the dropped players would be in the back ground feeding the mutiny "see told you so he hasn't got a clue...".
I'd say he has been between a rock and a hard place pretty much from day one. Unfortunately for him, I think the damage is too great and even without any trouble makers the other players respect for him will be tarnished.
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Gary Mcallister in todays Daily Star ' we have had words with the U.S forces about taking out Stephen Ireland in the same way as Bin Laden '
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When I played the game at a decent amatuer level, we would work on defensive set up on the one night a week we did training, well our defense would. Its pretty obvious they dont work on this stuff and thats why they are so shit at defending. I want to know what the bloody hell is going on at BH.
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Or, they tried to get a couple of defenders in Jan, it did not come off, they have to get through with Lauren and Hardy until May, don't want to destroy Clark in the centre and have reservations for whatever reason over Cuellar (not commanding enough would be my guess) and the reference is basically saying we will have 2 new centre halves and a new pair of full backs, with a more commanding keeper. As such, we can't work on the camels we have so have resigned ourselves to sorting it pre season. That would be my guess. Houllier had the best defence in the league for seasons at Liverpool, if there is something I am convinced he will sort if he comes back, then it is the defence.
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I think Cuellar is commanding enough. It's his style that does not fit.
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YOu mean simply hoofing it out of play at every opportunity. We conceded enough throws against Stoke without Cuellar hoofing. I love Carlos, but he is not Baresi.
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His style is rather agricultural, yes. There's the ball coming towards my goal. Get rid of it. He was outstanding against the Dingles and has not had a look in since.
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YOu mean simply hoofing it out of play at every opportunity. We conceded enough throws against Stoke without Cuellar hoofing. I love Carlos, but he is not Baresi.
Yes. Its probably stating the bleeding obvious but his distribution of the ball is what stops him getting picked by the manager. I do like Cuellars no nonsense approach to defending though.
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The opposition can't score from row Z.
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Or, they tried to get a couple of defenders in Jan, it did not come off, they have to get through with Lauren and Hardy until May, don't want to destroy Clark in the centre and have reservations for whatever reason over Cuellar (not commanding enough would be my guess) and the reference is basically saying we will have 2 new centre halves and a new pair of full backs, with a more commanding keeper. As such, we can't work on the camels we have so have resigned ourselves to sorting it pre season. That would be my guess. Houllier had the best defence in the league for seasons at Liverpool, if there is something I am convinced he will sort if he comes back, then it is the defence.
So you think we will buy a whole new first choice defence in the summer or bring in 4 if we get Kyle................
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Convinced if Houllier is back then we will be signing a new back 4, and keeper. Walker I think will stay in some form, probably another 12 month loan, but the rest will go if the current management team stay. Collins we may even make a profit from... amazingly.
Re Cuellar, I agree the opposition can't score from row Z, unless of course it is Villa defending the ensuing set piece, then they are pretty likely to score.
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What's this fucking 'WE' bit?
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YOu mean simply hoofing it out of play at every opportunity. We conceded enough throws against Stoke without Cuellar hoofing. I love Carlos, but he is not Baresi.
Neither are Dunne and Collins. To his credit, when he has had that rare chance of playing, Carlos has tried to pass it. There's been a noteable improvement on that side of his game.
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What's this fucking 'WE' bit?
What we bit? Any need for a fucking in there? Not sure I understand the question?
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I think he's on about the thread title. No need for the 'f' word, though.
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Do most of us in every other post not refer to Villa as 'we'? As such I can't see the issue, fucking or non fucking.
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I think it is more to do with the prospect of McAllister being included in the we.
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We do!
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I hope he's nowhere near our team come pre-season. He's a complete and utter cock.
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Des Little just said it all. An utter buffoon. Hit the road GMac.
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Apart from his all round incompetence on playing matters McAllister is really getting on my tits with all these PR puffs he is getting in the papers trying to convince everybody that Gerard Houllier is coming back to manage Villa as soon as the paracetamols have got the pain down to bearable levels. I think he thinks it makes him look loyal. It does not. It makes him look irresponsible.
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When I teach kids Maths at school, I don't wait for them to fuck up their exams before teaching them how to turn a percentage into a fraction, I teach them before the exam so they have a better chance of passing.
How much is this twat McCallister paid by Villa per year?
Get rid, and get rid now and take Houllier with you. (I do wish him a speedy recovery from his illness of course)
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I hope he's nowhere near our team come pre-season. He's a complete and utter cock.
Spot on.
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“Defending set-pieces has got to be better. That’s something we’ve really got to brush up on. A good six weeks in the pre-season is where you set that in the players".
What he meant to say..
“Defending set-pieces has got to be better and I'm sure David Moyes would back me up on that. It’s something we’ve really got to brush up on as I'm sure Mark Hughes will have noticed. A good six weeks in the pre-season is where you set that in the players. I will more than likely be on an extended vacation by then but Martin Jol and his team I would expect to be spending time on this".
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Agreed!!! unsuccessful coach everywhere he's been, can't wait to see him gone
I hope he's nowhere near our team come pre-season. He's a complete and utter cock.
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Why work on it in the summer? Why not wait untill the following summer alltogether? Whats the panic ?
Clueless gimp.
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I read the piece as a subtle dig at what went on last summer with the training. I don't think Dunne's pie intake was the only thing that wasn't monitored upto the ex-manager leaving.
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In times past when a journeyman sought to become a master craftsman, he would be set a test piece to show his proficiency.
The next time we interview a short list of potential managers they should have Stephen Ireland in an adjoining room and before any candidate's interview is concluded the applicant should be asked "Mr Hughes/Moyes/Jol/Lambert, how would you get this player to stop being a prick and play to his massive potential?"
If there need to be a tie break it should go to a sudden death, golden goal question "What do you think about zonal marking?"
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I read the piece as a subtle dig at what went on last summer with the training. I don't think Dunne's pie intake was the only thing that wasn't monitored upto the ex-manager leaving.
I'm pretty sure you would read subtle digs at the ex-manager in the shape of the clouds.
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I think it's McAllister's way of announcing that he knows we have a problem there....
Don't worry too much Gary, it won't be your problem soon !
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i find it bafflig that they think that they cant change it... considering they have already changed it for the negative, then why cant they change it back?
clueless, the lot of them...
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Having thought about this overnight, if all this is correct about the defensive situation, well, im amazed the Villa have done so well this season.
Its ludicrous and shocking.
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So he says he wants us to play "winning fast football". Says we have to "brush up on our defending".
Where's the drama?
I'd like to think that our highly paid management team would have tried to do something about our dismal defending during the season. I'm old fashioned like that.
I'd also like us to build a time machine, I'm futuristic like that.
I think by "do something" he means buy better players. Not that I want him to be here in the Summer. I want Houllier to be though.
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The players we have in defence have shown that they're perfectly capable of being an efficient unit. There's no reason why they should have gone from just about the best in the league last season, to just about the worst this year.
And I honestly hope that both Houllier and McAllister are gone as soon as the season ends. It just hasn't worked.
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And I honestly hope that both Houllier and McAllister are gone as soon as the season ends. It just hasn't worked.
Put me down for that.
Aside from the fact that I don't think his health could cope, the pair of them have been spectularly inept.
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The bit that's baffling me in all this is the line about the management trying to enforce man-for-man marking but the defenders refusing to switch from zonal marking... if that's true what a total shambles: ill-disciplined, rebellious players and a management team incapable of implementing tactical changes.
It's my birthday on Sunday; best present would be three points v Wigan, then we can put this season to bed. Just about everything that could have gone wrong has gone wrong!
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I read the piece as a subtle dig at what went on last summer with the training. I don't think Dunne's pie intake was the only thing that wasn't monitored upto the ex-manager leaving.
I'm pretty sure you would read subtle digs at the ex-manager in the shape of the clouds.
and he wouldn't be alone on here
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The players we have in defence have shown that they're perfectly capable of being an efficient unit. There's no reason why they should have gone from just about the best in the league last season, to just about the worst this year.
You don't count arrogant attitudes to all and sundry, lack of professionalism, injuries, and poor fitness then ?
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I read the piece as a subtle dig at what went on last summer with the training. I don't think Dunne's pie intake was the only thing that wasn't monitored upto the ex-manager leaving.
I'm pretty sure you would read subtle digs at the ex-manager in the shape of the clouds.
well thats as maybe, but seeing as the general opinion among managers, coaches and indeed us fans is a good pre-season is essential, he seems to be saying they didn't get much of that last summer. Whatever the deficiences of the current management and however much you hate GH, GaryMac and Co.,, i seriously hope you don't believe we haven't practiced defensive duties on the training ground at all this season until its suddenly occurred to them last week, but actually they'll look into it next pre-season.... As i said a suble dig at the last encumbant, and lets face it,, if your whole defence is based on the hoof! like the last manager you don't need a pre-season to practice it. More like 5 minutes....
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We conceded 39 goals in the league last season. Considering the defending went to pot from about March on as MON didnt rest the likes of Dunne and Warnock who were injured it was still our best defensive season in years. Could have been lower with rotation Id argue.
This season so far with the same personnel we have conceded 57 already. The buck has to stop somewhere and that is with the management ultimately.
I know there are mitigating circumstances - Cuellar was preferred at right back last season often. Milner gave more energy in the middle and we never played with three wingers. Throw in the complete decline of Warnock, Dunne and Collins (diabolical for the first West Brom goal again last weekend) as individuals. We also had more height in the side for set pieces with Cuellar and Heskey/Carew being much better in the air but Houllier and McAllister can only point the finger so far. They must go really.
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The defence showed they weren't working as a unit relatively early on in the season.
I remember watching the Blackpool match when Dunne pushed up, leaving the others behind and a huge space for Harewood to stroll into to score against us.
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What's this fucking 'WE' bit?
What we bit? Any need for a fucking in there? Not sure I understand the question?
The We as in the title of this thread 'We'll work on defending set-pieces in pre-season - McAllister' I don't want that clown anywhere near the club. I hope that clears it up for you :)