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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Tony on May 01, 2011, 01:11:56 PM
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Mirror Football has a story entitled "Benitez Wants Villa Job" and in usual sloppy journalism has no quotes, which would, to be fair, be in poor taste considering that there's not currently a vacancy. However they do quote him as saying:
"I like the responsibility to decide the ambition of a club – the plan, the academy and the young players, all of these things together. I have experience now and can do well – especially with staff who know the Premier League."
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Rafa-benitez-wants-to-succeed-Gerard-Houllier-at-Aston-Villa-with-Everton-s-David-Moyes-and-Fulham-s-Mark-Hughes-also-in-he-frame-article730378.html
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Surely Benny has blotted his copybook with Villa. Even a nut like him must realise he shouldn't even think about coming here. As far as I can remember of past managers-I have only ever dissed McNeil and DOL -and even pug-nose got the benefit of the doubt for 18months.
If Benitez comes, I honestly think I would be against him from the start.
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Yes please.
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I don't like the bloke as he seem to be Spain answer to David O'Leary to me.
Can he do the job without spending stupid money. Make us respectable team like Valencia before they start to struggle.
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If Benitez came in and won the FA cup next season would Houllier take the credit.
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Rafa? Yes wouldn't say no, if there is a vacancy. Certainly preferable to Hughes for me.
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If Benitez came in and won the FA cup next season would Houllier take the credit.
No but I would take back everything I said.
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Fat Benny has a screw loose if you ask me, not the full ticket, and wouldn't like to see him as our manager.
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Wouldn't mind him. A bit meh but he has a good CV and record with Valencia and in spells Liverpool.
In the debit column I'd have to question his sanity and whether he is as good as he used to be.
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Rafa? Yes wouldn't say no, if there is a vacancy. Certainly preferable to Hughes for me.
Going on his past record since leaving Valencia I would say no. The only couple of successful signing he got in at RedScouse were a Keeper, ( and yes, he could get us one), a midfielder who he then pissed off and wanted to replace with Barry in Alonso and Torres who he spent loads on and then manage to upset him. He was lucky he had Gerrard in good form for the first few years and no matter what we say about Carragher he is a solid defender. There are question marks on the rest of his purchases.
He then went to Inter who had done the double and admittedly Mourinho is a hard act to follow but he was sacked after 6 months.
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I would nt want him. He spent a lot of money on very average players
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Good god, no. We can do a lot better than this clown and his list of facts.
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don't rate him.
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Good god, no. We can do a lot better than this clown and his list of facts.
Like who?
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Hospital and time-out for me if it happens.
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Do we really need any more Bindippers connections at the Villa?
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Not for me I'm afraid. If for no other reason than I couldn't bear yet another Anfield homecoming wankfest next season.
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Not for me I'm afraid. If for no other reason than I couldn't bear yet another Anfield homecoming wankfest next season.
Petty though it is, that is my main objection, too.
However bad it was with Houllier, it would be ten times as bad with Benitez.
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I would rather go for Moyes or Hughes they would be better for us than Benitez i really don't wan't him.
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Did not him one bit at Liverpool. Would not want him at our club.
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I think we're all getting a but fussy. Benitez would be a huge improvement on Houllier.
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No, no and no.
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I'm not sure we can be picky enough to turn down a league winning and Champions League winning manager.
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he bought a lot of dross at the Dippers, punctuated by the odd gem ie. Torres, could we afford him as in he likes to throw the lolly around ?
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I think we're all getting a but fussy. Benitez would be a huge improvement on Houllier.
Is he?
Or could we be heading for the exact same problem in a manager who whilst having an excellent record has lost the knack and is still in love with his ex? That and his dubious sanity is what makes me all a bit meh on Benitez.
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No to the idea of Benitez. Fact.
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Speaking of mad men, where is Ranieri nowadays ? He might be worth a punt
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Not for me I'm afraid. If for no other reason than I couldn't bear yet another Anfield homecoming wankfest next season.
Petty though it is, that is my main objection, too.
However bad it was with Houllier, it would be ten times as bad with Benitez.
His disrespect of our Club during the Barry saga rules him out for me, its not petty its a fact.
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I think he's a similar level of manager to Houllier, he's just a much less nice person. I'd far rather Jol, even though he's done less on paper.
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Jol wouldn't take any shit or insubordination from the players
The sort of character we need
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Ok, so you don't like him. That's fair. But it seems a bit strange to reject a manager who has won La Liga, the FA Cup and Champions League as shit. Despite one bad season at Anfield his record is vastly better than most other managers we are linked to.
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I'd like the Benitez that wins stuff.
Not the bug-eyed crazy one that wants to manage Liverpool again.
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I'd like the Benitez that wins stuff.
Not the bug-eyed crazy one that wants to manage Liverpool again.
On that I'd agree. He seems to be more obsessed with Liverpool than Houllier, but hopefully that has faded somewhat. If he was to be considered as GH's successor, we would have to be certain that he wouldn't view Bodymoor Heath as a waiting room until there is a vacancy at Anfield. Another concern is that he doesn't seem to be an easy man to work with: he fell out with the director at Valencia; with his assistant at Liverpool and finally with Rick Parry, and his relationship with Moratti at Inter went sour at an incredible pace. Apart from that I think his achievements are impressive, and that we would struggle to find someone that is much better.
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For what it's worth, I'd like to see Houllier back in the 'hot-seat' next season (health and family wishes permitting). If not, I'd far rather see Benitez appointed as opposed to Moyes, Coyle, Allardyce...
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Hmm I still don't know about the FSW but how weird that he follows GH into another job if he gets it.
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Speaking of mad men, where is Ranieri nowadays ? He might be worth a punt
He resigned as manager of Roma in February after a few bad results. He was my choice after O'Neill fecked off. He got shafted by Abramovich and despite knowing he was a dead man walking for all of his last season at Chelsea he got them to second place and lay the foundation for Mourinho's success. A lot more dignified than that Arrogantio too.
Having said that, I think Randy will want someone who will hit the ground running and probably most importantly, someone who is likely to get the players on-side as soon as possible. Which will likely mean Mark Hughes or David Moyes. And I think both would jump at the chance.
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I`d have Rafa over the others any day of the week,the clever one who was at Liverpool before the Yanks came in and stitched him up,the one who won La liga with an unfashionable club in Valencia and then took Liverpool to two European Cup finals with (imo) an average team.
Plus he only lives 15 mins away from me so he could give me a lift to B6 every other week ;)
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Fook , we dont want managers now that have won the chumps league . ;-)
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Not for me I'm afraid. If for no other reason than I couldn't bear yet another Anfield homecoming wankfest next season.
Petty though it is, that is my main objection, too.
However bad it was with Houllier, it would be ten times as bad with Benitez.
His disrespect of our Club during the Barry saga rules him out for me, its not petty its a fact.
I couldn't give a stuff about that to be honest, he was doing his best for a club who were our near rivals at the time. I'd be happy if our club behaved a bit more like that in future to be honest, rather than trying to be the Premier League's "Fairtrade" club.
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Benitez was just as bad as MON for wanting complete and total control over the club. A large chunk of the reason the RedScouse imploded at the start of this season wasn't down to Hodgson but was down to Benitez having built everything at the club to his design and employing all his mates in pretty much every job linked to playing matters. When he left he ripped the heart out of the middle of the club and left Hodgson to try to rebuild it.
Given the way we had our fingers burnt by giving MON that sort of control I'd hate to see us doing the same with Benitez.
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This is one of the best choice right now. (apart from Luise Van Gaal).
Good Tactical Manager that is what we need.
RAFA RAFA RAFA
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Hasn't Rafa just quoted along the lines of " I like a club where I control everything from the academy to top"
Do we want someone like that anywhere near Aston Villa?
Moyes or Hughes for me.
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Can't stand the man, don't want him anywhere near the club. If he gets the job I'll turn on him even before Risso does. ;-)
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Most unlikely Chris.
The way all are talking, I think Houllier will be back anyway. If he is not, Benitez would be my first choice.
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Not for me I'm afraid. If for no other reason than I couldn't bear yet another Anfield homecoming wankfest next season.
Petty though it is, that is my main objection, too.
However bad it was with Houllier, it would be ten times as bad with Benitez.
His disrespect of our Club during the Barry saga rules him out for me, its not petty its a fact.
'eees fahct.
He's facked.
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Can't stand the man, don't want him anywhere near the club. If he gets the job I'll turn on him even before Risso does. ;-)
Never liked him since Toy Story 2 . Never trust a man with orange fingers .. Wotsits or not .
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I would normally say a big fat no to Rafa but tbh I'd take anyone other than the "dream team" of GH and GMc after suffering this season.
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I'd love to see a report suggesting Mourinho was after the Villa job if only to see who and how he'd be dissed by some on here.
Aside from that it appears most people outside of Randy nd his crew seem confident Houllier won't be in charge next season, hopefully.
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I'd love to see a report suggesting Mourinho was after the Villa job if only to see who and how he'd be dissed by some on here.
Jose? Now way - his teams are too defensive and play poor football.
Seriously though, I'd be torn on Rafa. Do not, never have and doubt I ever will like the bloke, but his is a good record and he'd attract good players to the club.
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Can't stand the man, don't want him anywhere near the club. If he gets the job I'll turn on him even before Risso does. ;-)
Oh Chris, you know full well that even if were on minus a gazillion points in May, you'd be on here defending him with the zeal of a mother weasel protecting her young!
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Can't stand the man, don't want him anywhere near the club. If he gets the job I'll turn on him even before Risso does. ;-)
Oh Chris, you know full well that even if were on minus a gazillion points in May, you'd be on here defending him with the zeal of a mother weasel protecting her young!
Quality post
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Mourinho - will be sacked by Real this year once Barca beat them to the league and the Champs league final.
Where will he end up... none of the big clubs for various reasons...
Man Utd - Fergie's not going.
Liverpool - King Kenny
Chelsea - won't go back
AC Milan - Inter connections
Real - again obvious...
So Randy, offer him whatever he wants....
(This is all written with a sense of irony!)
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It's a no from me for:
1) Having gone off the boil as a manager for the last couple of years
2) Being a similar control freak to MON
3) His teams play negative football. I switched over whenever Liverpool came on during his time there.
4) He'd probably take his jacket off to reveal a Liverpool shirt when we went to Anfield.
5) Apart from Torres (Which was a great coup I admit) his transfer record at Liverpool wasn't the best.
6) I happen to like Villa's more 'honourable' approach to transfers - Benitez would not fit in with this.
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It's a no from me for:
1) Having gone off the boil as a manager for the last couple of years
2) Being a similar control freak to MON
3) His teams play negative football. I switched over whenever Liverpool came on during his time there.
4) He'd probably take his jacket off to reveal a Liverpool shirt when we went to Anfield.
5) Apart from Torres (Which was a great coup I admit) his transfer record at Liverpool wasn't the best.
6) I happen to like Villa's more 'honourable' approach to transfers - Benitez would not fit in with this.
I agree,especially point six. I don't want him to be the face of our club,paranoid rants,talking in tongues,he's not needed at vp.
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Can't stand the man, don't want him anywhere near the club. If he gets the job I'll turn on him even before Risso does. ;-)
Oh Chris, you know full well that even if were on minus a gazillion points in May, you'd be on here defending him with the zeal of a mother weasel protecting her young!
Not him, nor that prick Hughes.
In fact none of the names put forward so far are particularly inspiring.
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i would be most unhappy if that fat spanish twat was at the villa...
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Can't stand the man, don't want him anywhere near the club. If he gets the job I'll turn on him even before Risso does. ;-)
Oh Chris, you know full well that even if were on minus a gazillion points in May, you'd be on here defending him with the zeal of a mother weasel protecting her young!
Putting aside Chris's weasel like qualities for the moment, if not Rafa, who?
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6) I happen to like Villa's more 'honourable' approach to transfers - Benitez would not fit in with this.
Does anyone really believe, or care about, this, though?
I bet we weren't entirely honourable with the pursuit of Bent, for example.
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6) I happen to like Villa's more 'honourable' approach to transfers - Benitez would not fit in with this.
Does anyone really believe, or care about, this, though?
I bet we weren't entirely honourable with the pursuit of Bent, for example.
Quite. We need to compete on a like for like basis with our peers, so if that means playing dirty with other clubs when it comes to players and managers, so be it.
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I couldn't give a stuff about that to be honest, he was doing his best for a club who were our near rivals at the time. I'd be happy if our club behaved a bit more like that in future to be honest, rather than trying to be the Premier League's "Fairtrade" club.
Not wishing to start an arguement, but I'd be hugely disappointed in our Club if we weren't the Premier League's "Fairtrade" club.
There's nothing wrong with doing things properly.
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So we'd rather have someone who is so unproven that he hasn't managed to piss someone off yet, than someone who has shown himself capable of creating trophy-winning teams.
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I couldn't give a stuff about that to be honest, he was doing his best for a club who were our near rivals at the time. I'd be happy if our club behaved a bit more like that in future to be honest, rather than trying to be the Premier League's "Fairtrade" club.
Not wishing to start an arguement, but I'd be hugely disappointed in our Club if we weren't the Premier League's "Fairtrade" club.
There's nothing wrong with doing things properly.
There is if you're the only ones doing it that way.
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El David Brentio.
No ta.
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I couldn't give a stuff about that to be honest, he was doing his best for a club who were our near rivals at the time. I'd be happy if our club behaved a bit more like that in future to be honest, rather than trying to be the Premier League's "Fairtrade" club.
Not wishing to start an arguement, but I'd be hugely disappointed in our Club if we weren't the Premier League's "Fairtrade" club.
There's nothing wrong with doing things properly.
It depends what you mean by doing things properly. There's little to be gained by always playing Mr Nice Guy if nobody else does likewise. And as we're owned by somebody whose wealth comes from credit cards, then I'd take any notion of taking the moral high ground with a huge pinch of salt.
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I couldn't give a stuff about that to be honest, he was doing his best for a club who were our near rivals at the time. I'd be happy if our club behaved a bit more like that in future to be honest, rather than trying to be the Premier League's "Fairtrade" club.
Not wishing to start an arguement, but I'd be hugely disappointed in our Club if we weren't the Premier League's "Fairtrade" club.
There's nothing wrong with doing things properly.
There is if you're the only ones doing it that way.
I doubt we're the only ones and even if we where, I'd feel proud that we set the standards.
If the only way to compete is to cheat, bend the rules and generally act like a complete and utter w**ker - then sorry, I would soon lose all respect for things Villa based.
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my area manager is a Liverpool fan and he wont have a bad word said about him. just another reason to not to respect him
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6) I happen to like Villa's more 'honourable' approach to transfers - Benitez would not fit in with this.
Does anyone really believe, or care about, this, though?
I bet we weren't entirely honourable with the pursuit of Bent, for example.
Traditional transfer approach:-
1. Make a bid to the club.
2. Get permission to speak to the player if accepted.
3. Make higher bid if rejected or look elsewhere.
4. Sign player.
Modern transfer approach:-
1. Speak to agent.
2. Make bid to club.
3. Leak to press.
4. Agree terms with player through agent.
5. Haggle over price with selling club.
6. Sign player.
Benitez (and others) approach:-
1. Get international team mate to tap player up.
2. Leak to press.
3. Get everything agreed with agent.
4. Mention player in press conference.
5. Have ridiculous bid rejected.
6. Speak to press again.
7. Get player to speak to press.
8. Have slightly less ridiculous bid rejected.
9. Wait two months and then sign Glen Johnson instead.
I'd imagine Bent to us was the 2nd version, minus the leaking to the press, and I'm OK with that. I am not OK with the last version, which is the FSW's motus operandi.
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The General wasn't happy with us appointing a manager who was already employed, lest he turn out to be less than honourable and do the dirty on us, yet signing a player like Bent who was leaving a top 6 club for a relgation threatened one, and has had 6 clubs in as many years isn't a problem. We don't have to behave like Gary Cock at Man City or the Scum Brothers at West Ham, but we shouldn't let "doing the right thing" get in the way of being a successful club.
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I wouldn't be completely against elements of the last version. If people believe agents don't sound managers out and vice versa about players, and players don't talk to each other about clubs (only today I read a report that said Rob Green has been asking former Norwich teammate Andy Marshall about life at Villa) then that's naivety in the extreme.
I don't like the way Harry Redknapp freely talks about rival players in the media though. I'd hate to see that.
As for managers, we absolutely absolutely have to be prepared to approach the right man, currently employed or otherwise - not just whoever may be handily available.
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6) I happen to like Villa's more 'honourable' approach to transfers - Benitez would not fit in with this.
Does anyone really believe, or care about, this, though?
Well I wouldn't have mentioned it if I wasn't bothered to some extent, and you have already seen other people agreeing so I'd have to 'yes' to your question. However I'm not saying this is my main objection to Benitez, it is one of half a dozen.
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No thanks.
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I'd have him in a heartbeat.
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Don't like him as a person.
but pre-Liverpool melt down, his record is impressive.
However, if he was to insist on total control, like our last manager, then a resounding NO.
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If he want total control - piss off
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Sorry - have we suddenly become FC Barston Villona ?
Dont get me wrong, I bloody hate Rafa Benitez - he has been on the M62 - anyone who goes near the M62 I hate.
But the fact is, he has won leagues, he has won cups, he has won the Champions League, he has won the FA Cup, he got Liverpool to within 1 week of the title
And people think he ain't good enough for us.
Are you lot being serious ?
We are still in with a chance of being relegated. We would be lucky to get O'Leary to come back here, if benitez (or any other equivelant) wants to come - snap their bloody hands off !!
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The thing is with Benitez is that although he has a reasonable record if you scratch the surface you can see he has had tremndous timing and luck as well. He took over a Valencia side that had been in the last two CL finals so they had a very good team before he arrived. At Liverpool he inherited Gerrard and Hyppia / Carragher in defence. He did get them to the final but did his damnedest to throw it away and without an inspired match by Gerrard and Dudek would have walked away with a massive defeat.
Even the FA cuip final was won by one man in Gerrard again. I doubt we have a Gerrard or a strong defence that he will inherit if he took over in the Summer.
As Houllier seems to be surrounded with bad luck we could do with a lucky manager but from the last few seasons that seems to have abandoned Benitez as well.
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At Liverpool he inherited Gerrard and Hyppia / Carragher in defence. He did get them to the final but did his damnedest to throw it away and without an inspired match by Gerrard and Dudek would have walked away with a massive defeat.
This is selective reasoning. He inherited Gerrard and Hyypia, but he also inherited Igor Biscan, Djimi Traore and Salif Diao. To get a team like that to win the CL suggests that he is capable of getting as much as possible from a group of players -- and isn't that what we need?
If his team selection and initial tactics in the CL final were bad, then it must also be true that his substitutions and tactical changes were good?
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I just think of the Barry saga and it makes me want to throw things at him.