Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Lambert and Payne on April 19, 2011, 09:32:55 AM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/13116378.stm
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Not keen personally, unless Scottish clubs subsidise the travel costs for English fans. It's not our fault their league's shite.
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I reckon Man U would be shitting themselves at the prospect of facing Mighty Clyde.
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Ross County v Plymouth!
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Queens Park + Glasgow Rangers vs Queens Park Rangers?
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Didn't they have something like this before. Possibly called the Texaco Cup?
I know we beat Rangers in the Semi-Finals of the FA Cup in the 1890s.
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Please God no.
Scottish clubs are financially in the shit, let them sort their own mess out and keep the fuck away from us.
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Yay. An opportunity for Rangers and Celtic fans to travel South and fill our grounds with sectarian bollocks.
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Not keen personally, unless Scottish clubs subsidise the travel costs for English fans. It's not our fault their league's shite.
Not entirely, but the Premier League has to take a big share of the blame.
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Why? because it's more popular than the Scottish league? A country of 5 million or so should be more realistic as to what it should achieve and they as punching at their weight as it is. Previously they overachieved massively.
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If their own product (hate that word) was of a better quality and more competitive, then more Scots might support their own teams than follow teams south of the border.
If anything, the Champions League and Sky are more to blame than the Premier League, as they've increased the revenues of the Old Firm clubs over the last 20 years and allowed them to pull away from the likes of Dundee United, Aberdeen and Hearts.
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Less than 12,000 fans at the semi final on Saturday between Motherwell and St Johnstone at the national stadium tells you exactly where Scottish football is heading.
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Yay. An opportunity for Rangers and Celtic fans to travel South and fill our grounds with sectarian bollocks.
More like an opportunity for those 2 to increase their revenue streams (God when did this term enter into football!!!) and as always its not for the good of the Scottish leagues but only of financial benefit for the top 2 - quite ironic really as it is their looking after themselves over last 20 years that caused this mess in the first place
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Didn't the Scottish FA say they wanted nothing to do with the Great Britain Olympic team?
Fuck 'em!
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Sounds like a truly shocking idea and this has only been suggested because the Scottish FA is rapidly realising that their tinpot league is being left in the 20th century and they are anxious to modernise it and deflect the justified attention being given to the sectarian behaviour of their two teams.
Over the last few years our League Cup has had somewhat of a renaissance as the big teams have realised that they can salvage a season with a bit of silverware, so therefore I don’t see any benefit whatsoever to the Scottish teams entering.
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Unless Welsh and Northern Irish teams were invited to play, wouldn't this technically be an Anglo-Scottish farce and not a British one?
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The Scottish FA can shove that idea up its own arse.Let them play in the Icelandic cup,they have loads of our money.
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No thank you.
This is all about selling to TV the idea of Chelsea v Rangers or Celtic v Man Utd. In the real world it'll be Hamilton v Wigan in front of a "crowd" of 563.
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Unless Welsh and Northern Irish teams were invited to play, wouldn't this technically be an Anglo-Scottish farce and not a British one?
You would need to drop NI to make it a British one. To include them it would have to be a UK league cup.
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Less than 12,000 fans at the semi final on Saturday between Motherwell and St Johnstone at the national stadium tells you exactly where Scottish football is heading.
To be fair it is roughly akin to a match between Walsall and Carlisle in terms of fanbase and it is probably poorer in terms of quality.
And the SFA are worse than clueless.
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Unless Welsh and Northern Irish teams were invited to play, wouldn't this technically be an Anglo-Scottish farce and not a British one?
You would need to drop NI to make it a British one. To include them it would have to be a UK league cup.
British = From the UK
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Unless Welsh and Northern Irish teams were invited to play, wouldn't this technically be an Anglo-Scottish farce and not a British one?
You would need to drop NI to make it a British one. To include them it would have to be a UK league cup.
British = From the UK
It does but NI is not geographically part of Britain.
We should go the whole hog and have a British Isles League cup. This would cover all bases.
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Unless Welsh and Northern Irish teams were invited to play, wouldn't this technically be an Anglo-Scottish farce and not a British one?
You would need to drop NI to make it a British one. To include them it would have to be a UK league cup.
British = From the UK
No it doesn't, because it's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Great Britain and Northern Ireland are separate entities
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Unless Welsh and Northern Irish teams were invited to play, wouldn't this technically be an Anglo-Scottish farce and not a British one?
I want this. Aberystwyth Town vs Aston Villa is what dreams are made of.
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Am really quite keen on the idea myself ;D
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I wouldn't like a British cup of any sort I'm old school if it isn't broke don't fix it.
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A British League Cup?
Well...there's always
LLanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantisiliogogogoch Vs Aston Villa
Now that's what I call a football match.
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I actually knew someone who supported them. They're called Llanfair FC and that is what's chanted at games. Well, by the 30 or so who went.
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The attendances at League cup games in England are abysmal, in Scotland they are laughable. Putting the two together would be a disaster. Arbroath vs Bolton on a Tuesday night in October? I don't think so.
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A British League Cup?
Well...there's always
LLanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantisiliogogogoch Vs Aston Villa
Now that's what I call a football match.
"Give me an L,
L
double the L,
LL
give me an A,
AA
give me an N,
NN
give me an F,
FF
give me an i
II
give me a P
Sorry, that's not right, start again.
Give me an L....."
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No thanks
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If their own product (hate that word) was of a better quality and more competitive, then more Scots might support their own teams than follow teams south of the border.
If anything, the Champions League and Sky are more to blame than the Premier League, as they've increased the revenues of the Old Firm clubs over the last 20 years and allowed them to pull away from the likes of Dundee United, Aberdeen and Hearts.
That's what I meant.
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I wouldn't like a British cup of any sort I'm old school if it isn't broke don't fix it.
And what part of the current setup do you think isn't "broke"?
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I wouldn't like a British cup of any sort I'm old school if it isn't broke don't fix it.
I'm old school too, but it's the FA Cup that they should stop tinkering with.
As far as a British Cup goes I am 100% in favour.
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I'm sure the name 'British League Cup' is just a technicality, just call it the Anglo-Jock Cup or something. As for letting Welsh / NI argument - I'm sure it would be for proffesional clubs to play i.e. only the 3 in Wales would therefore be involved on top of the English & Scottish clubs.
Anyway, I say b*llocks to them, they don't like us and useally want to get away from the English - only when we have something that would be beneficial to them. As someone mentioned the only decent matches would be against the old firm, and they can keep their sectarian shit up there, thanks.
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Anyway, I say b*llocks to them, they don't like us and useally want to get away from the English - only when we have something that would be beneficial to them.
As a native of England who's lived in Scotland for more than five years, I don't think that's a fair description of how things really are.
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Great.
We play Rangers or Celtic - 10,000 drunken idiots turn up.
Aberdeen or Hibs - 200 unreformed eighties hooligans.
Anybody else - the most apathy-inducing game since the Simod Cup.
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Aberdeen v Villa - yay - nearly a home game for me
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Great.
We play Rangers or Celtic - 10,000 drunken idiots turn up.
Aberdeen or Hibs - 200 unreformed eighties hooligans.
Anybody else - the most apathy-inducing game since the Simod Cup.
Agreed, can't see what would be in it for the English teams. It would be the modern equivalent of the Anglo italian cup fot its lack of interest, but more worryingly, could be the start of the slippery slope towards Scottish teams (ie Celtic and Rangers) playing in the Premier League.
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Great.
We play Rangers or Celtic - 10,000 drunken idiots turn up.
Aberdeen or Hibs - 200 unreformed eighties hooligans.
Anybody else - the most apathy-inducing game since the Simod Cup.
Agreed, can't see what would be in it for the English teams. It would be the modern equivalent of the Anglo italian cup fot its lack of interest, but more worryingly, could be the start of the slippery slope towards Scottish teams (ie Celtic and Rangers) playing in the Premier League.
Yes, there's something very 39th gamesque about all this.
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Anyway, I say b*llocks to them, they don't like us and useally want to get away from the English - only when we have something that would be beneficial to them.
As a native of England who's lived in Scotland for more than five years, I don't think that's a fair description of how things really are.
I lived up there too for a couple of years. My impression is different.
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Yes, there's something very 39th gamesque about all this.
Surely the 39th game was entirely different. Presumably, you would play your home games at your home ground, i.e. not in Dubai or Abu Dhabi or wherever. And even your away games would still be in Britain, wouldn't they? So no, no comparison whatsoever with the 39th game nonsense.
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[quote author= I lived up there too for a couple of years. My impression is different.
Sorry to hear that. Where were you? You do hear some depressing stories from some parts of the country. My feeling is that it's not bad at all if you're English in Glasgow (i.e. some banter but generally very friendly), possibly a bit worse in Edinburgh and that it can be unpleasant in and around Aberdeen as well. Not been to Aberdeen myself, mind, so this is just based on what I've read in the papers now and then.
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[quote author= I lived up there too for a couple of years. My impression is different.
Sorry to hear that. Where were you? You do hear some depressing stories from some parts of the country. My feeling is that it's not bad at all if you're English in Glasgow (i.e. some banter but generally very friendly), possibly a bit worse in Edinburgh and that it can be unpleasant in and around Aberdeen as well. Not been to Aberdeen myself, mind, so this is just based on what I've read in the papers now and then.
Probably helps that I am a quarter Glaswegian, but I've always got on well with the Scots when I've been up there.
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[quote author= I lived up there too for a couple of years. My impression is different.
Sorry to hear that. Where were you? You do hear some depressing stories from some parts of the country. My feeling is that it's not bad at all if you're English in Glasgow (i.e. some banter but generally very friendly), possibly a bit worse in Edinburgh and that it can be unpleasant in and around Aberdeen as well. Not been to Aberdeen myself, mind, so this is just based on what I've read in the papers now and then.
Probably helps that I am a quarter Glaswegian, but I've always got on well with the Scots when I've been up there.
I agree, the ones who I knew throught my then missus were great, but did get a lot of abuse in pubs from strangers. This was Glasgow and Edinburgh. Just a question, but if they had something that we (English) wanted in on, do you think they would let us in? Let's forget North Sea oil...ahem...
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Fuck and off
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We play Rangers or Celtic - 10,000 drunken idiots turn up.
Us or them?
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We'd still draw Blackburn.
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Not a chance. I find it hilarious that in most things they're completely against anything "british" but when it suits them all their nationalistic principles go out the window I sure there's some Scots who don't want owt to do with it mind.