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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 20, 2011, 11:19:34 AM
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I'll go
BLACKBURN
WIGAN
VILLA
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If you actually think that will be the botton 3, you should put some money on it. You can be a rich man
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blackburn blackpool wolves
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If you actually think that will be the botton 3, you should put some money on it. You can be a rich man
I couldn't bring myself to put money on against us, but I think that's how it will pan out.
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Blues
Villa
Wigan
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Wigan, Blackpool, Blackburn.
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Blues
Villa
Wigan
As things stand at the moment, this looks a 'good' bet. I've never bet against us before, but a few quid on us to tumble would be a bit of insurance if we actually do go down.
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I really can't see us being that bad again, which was a result of the festering boil in our dressing room. Hopefully that will be lanced now. One thing for sure, If he puts out a team with that lack of fight snd team spirit again then he will be gone. No doubt about it.
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I really can't see us being that bad again, which was a result of the festering boil in our dressing room.
We've mostly been that bad all season, if not worse. I really can see us being that bad again, starting at Everton.
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I really can't see us being that bad again
Just as bad against Sunderland and Man City away, twice.
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Said if we lost yesterday I think we will drop. I stick by it.
Wigan - bottom
Villa - 19th
Blackburn - 18th -
Blues, Albion and Wolves all 1 point out of it. We are doomed. Yesterday was the worst Risso IMO that we have played all season, and the light of the blackburn game has been firmly put out. If we are to stay up, we need to beat Stoke - not likely, Newcastle and Wigan at VP. Can't see it happening.
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I really can't see us being that bad again
Just as bad against Sunderland and Man City away, twice.
Don't forget L''The Mighty Reds YNWA' away,Blackburn away
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don't agree risso. thats the worse i've seen us given the opposition. As others have mentioned, you had a feeling beforehand they weren't going to turn up. still think wolves will go down but they won't have had an easier game all season.
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As it stands - Wigan, Villa, Blackburn.
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I had convinced myself we'd be relegated after the Bolton game.
Just done the predictor on BBC. There are so many games between the teams at the bottom, it might help us stay up. I've seen some highlights of games this weekend. The other teams may have a bit more fight than us, but they can't defend any better than us.
I went for defeats vs. Everton, Newcastle, Stoke, Liverpool and Arsenal, draws vs. West Ham and WBA, and a win at home to Wigan. We stay up on goal difference.
Bottom 3:
Wigan
Blackburn
Blose
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Birmingham, Blackburn, Wigan
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Had a go at the BBC Predictor
For us -
Losses against Everton, Stoke, Arsenal, Liverpool
Draws against Newcastle, West Ham
Wins against WBA, Wigan
I ended up with a bottom three of 18th WBA, 19th Blackburn and 20th Wigan, with Blackpool escaping on goal difference.
Villa were tied on points with Blues on 41 in 12th/13th places, 5 points above the relegation zone.
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Villa
Blackburn
Wigan
If Le Gaffuer is in charge , and I think he wil be.
ST prices must drop then, maybe a minor , unwanted benefit , maybe a warming to the board who must take some of the blame for appointing such an utterly crap Manager.
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Someone asked me back in January and i said Blackpool, Blues and Wigan. I'm still sticking with them but it really coud be anyone on 36 points or less.
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Really depressing to see so many villa fans predicting us to go down.
I'm rapidly losing faith myself but am praying we can beat the Baggies and Wigan and scrape a few draws to stay up. By the way, even if we stay up I'd get rid of Houllier. This has been a shameful season. I've said before that he probably has tried to change the club's philosophy for the long term benefit but match day is where it counts and I've never had less confidence in a villa side and management. It is like torture every Saturday.
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I said at Christmas West Brom, West Ham and Blackpool. Could still happen.
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BLUE SCUM
BLACKPOOL
WIGAN
I think we'll pick up some decent results against West Ham, Everton, and Newcastle, while fucking up with games like Wigan and Stoke at home.
We'll survive.
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wigan, blose, blackpool....good shout chipsticks. Us and baggies to just escape, wolves and west ham will get clear
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I can't wait for this season to end.
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West Ham bought well in Jan - Bridge has done well for them (maybe a bit of a blow he did not come in hindsight?), Ba has been a revelation and got 4 in 5, Tommy Hitz has got fit to give them a good passer in the middle and Keane gives them guile. They are fragile still, but Green, Upson, Bridge, Parker, Noble, Ba and Keane give them enough experience and quality to get out. In fact Keane would be better than Ash in the hole, Bridge would be left back, Upson would walk into our team, most likely so would Green and Parker. So they are probably squad wise as good as us now.
WBA, Wolves, Blues, Blackpool, Blackburn and Wigan are way inferior, but the first 4 will fight harder and are more physically equiped to play the rough and ready football that will scrape you out. Blackburn are on a mass slide, Wigan are a bit like us. I just think those 3 will be outfought. We are trying to run before we can walk with the style of football I fear, and need a plan B to get us through, then build the side capable of playing the way he wants if the club retain him.
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TECHNICALLY we have better and more skilful players than many, if not all, of our relegation rivals.
But it's fight, character and spirit that get's you out of the shit when you're in a relegation scrap.
We seem to have none of this under Le Smirk.
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Wigan, Blackpool and Blackburn. We'll be fine.
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Blackpool
Blackburn
Wigan
We'll come 17th.
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TECHNICALLY we have better and more skilful players than many, if not all, of our relegation rivals.
But it's fight, character and spirit that get's you out of the shit when you're in a relegation scrap.
We seem to have none of this under Le Smirk.
I agree. If you look at the clubs around us, they all have the ability to be resilient and defend with steel; and also to pick up shock results.
We can do neither. We are predictable, and we look immensely like a team of overpaid and overrated players who have no loyalty to the club. A team of Ashley Youngs, if you will.
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Us
Wigan
Small Heath
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Villa
Blues
Wigan
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This thread should have a poll!!
Wigan
Blues
Blackpool
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we can all agree that things are shite, at the moment, but how is telling the world that you're convinced we're going down any different from the defeatism that the players are displaying? On a Villa fan-site too - it's a disgrace.
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we can all agree that things are white, at the moment, but how telling the world that you're convinced we're going down any different from the defeatism that the players are displaying? On a Villa fan-site too - it's a disgrace.
No, the disgrace is the fact that the players and management have got us into the situation where it is even a possibility.
The players are paid millions of pounds to do their job, and will fuck off elsewhere without a care in the world if we go down, whereas we put god knows how much emotion, care, love and money into this club year after year, so if people think we're in trouble, they've every right to say so.
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General concensus amongst the bookies (courtesy of oddschecker) is that the bottom three will be:
Wigan
Blackpool
Blues
Sadly, the best odds you can get on us going down is 15/2 with Coral - hardly worth an insurance bet for those odds; it certainly won't cheer me up if I win!!!
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Of course they have every right to say so. It's just a shame they feel they feel they have to.
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SHA, Blackburn, Wigan
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We are 7-1 against. £50 on that at least should fund the ST next season if the worst happens.
Relegation
Wigan Athletic 2/5, West Ham 13/8, Newcastle 14/1, Blackpool 6/5, Wolves 15/8,, Birmingham 13/8, West Brom 13/8, Blackburn 2/1, Aston Villa 7/1
Fulham 14/1, Stoke 22/1
To avoid the Bookies have lot more faith in us:
o Avoid Relegation
Aston Villa 1/16, West Ham 4/9, Blackpool 8/13, Blackburn 1/3, Birmingham 4/9, Wigan Athletic 7/4, Wolves 4/11, West Brom 4/9
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I predict Blues to get a last-minute equaliser at Spurs off Zigic's arse while Gerrard scores an injury-time winner at Villa Park courtesy of a ludicrous divey-penalty. Villa down by a point. It's been that sort of season.
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Wigan, Birmingham, Villa
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I just did that BBC predictor thing again and came out with Wigan, Blackburn and Blues. We end up with identical points and goal difference as SHA but stay up by virtue of having scored more goals.
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I just did that BBC predictor thing again and came out with Wigan, Blackburn and Blues. We end up with identical points and goal difference as SHA but stay up by virtue of having scored more goals.
Let's go with that then!
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I really can't see us being that bad again, which was a result of the festering boil in our dressing room.
We've mostly been that bad all season, if not worse. I really can see us being that bad again, starting at Everton.
No, we haven't and especially not at home. Yesterday hit new depths.
I find it impossible to predict how we will play from one game to the next. Our last 2 league games had seen us create loads of chances and score 6 but then produce one that couldn't have been further removed.
Wigan
Blackburn
Blackpool
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I really can't see us being that bad again, which was a result of the festering boil in our dressing room.
We've mostly been that bad all season, if not worse. I really can see us being that bad again, starting at Everton.
No, we haven't and especially not at home. Yesterday hit new depths.
I'd argue that Sunderland at home was on a par with yesterday, if not worse. We have been mediocre most of the season though, with one or two exceptions.
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My prediction is three from Us, Blues, Blackburn and Wigan.
Reckon Blackburn might just squeak through sending us down :(
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I really can't see us being that bad again, which was a result of the festering boil in our dressing room.
We've mostly been that bad all season, if not worse. I really can see us being that bad again, starting at Everton.
No, we haven't and especially not at home. Yesterday hit new depths.
I'd argue that Sunderland at home was on a par with yesterday, if not worse. We have been mediocre most of the season though, with one or two exceptions.
I thought at the time that Sunderland at home was absolutely terrible, and I didn't buy that "if Heskey could finish, we'd have got something" line, either, but yesterday was worse, in my opinion.
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You often get teams who should be safe but suddenly nosedive themselves into the party from a position of relative strength. Right now ouselves, Small Heath, Blackpool and Blackburn look strong candidates. I'd say Blackburn have been even worse than us over the course of the last couple of months. Small Heath's fate will be decided on how well they cope with the injuries they have. We, on the other hand, will win all remaining 8 games at a canter*, Blackpool will be ok as long as Gollum keeps his gob shut.
Eqully there are teams that have been shite all season but suddenly find a vein of form and pull clear against the odds. Smethwick, Wolves and West Ham seem to be doing this at present, but need to keep on doing it. The odds are against all three getting away with it, one of them will revert to type. Depsite their win yesterday, I thought Wolves looked pretty ropey.
Then there are teams that spend almost the entire season in and around the bottom three, without ever looking capable of getting any higher. That seems to be Wigan.
Blackburn, Wolves and Wigan for me.
*It is possible that this may not actually happen.
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Incidentally, I wouldn't be too comfortable if I were a Newcastle fan, either.
Since the middle of January, they've taken 8 of 27 league points. That's worse than us.
Plus they've sold their only decent striker and are relying on Leon Best to put them away.
Our match against them is an important match.
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Incidentally, I wouldn't be too comfortable if I were a Newcastle fan, either.
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Our match against them is an important match.
Their next two games are at home to Wolves then Villa Park. Two bad results could indeed drop them in it.
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Everton could be key in this:
Us and Blackburn at home and
Wolves, Wigan, West Brom away.
Mind you they nearly fecked up when me and VCTM jnr went to see them play Small Heath
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Blackburn, Wigan and Blackpool, it'll go down to the last game for 5 or 6 teams though, including us.
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Hmmm, not good when you see quite a lot of Villa fans sayng we'll get relegated... makes me even more worried.
I don't think I could take a Survival Sunday. It'd be far too much for me. We need to be safe by the Arsenal game then we can pop champagne.
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Hmmm, not good when you see quite a lot of Villa fans sayng we'll get relegated... makes me even more worried.
I don't think I could take a Survival Sunday. It'd be far too much for me. We need to be safe by the Arsenal game then we can pop champagne.
Hardly a reason to open the Champers, eh Situ? What's a suitable drink for pure fucking relief? (It's vodka if we go down, by the way.)
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Wigan, Blackpool and Blackburn but it will come down to the wire.
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Hmmm, not good when you see quite a lot of Villa fans sayng we'll get relegated... makes me even more worried.
I don't think I could take a Survival Sunday. It'd be far too much for me. We need to be safe by the Arsenal game then we can pop champagne.
Hardly a reason to open the Champers, eh Situ? What's a suitable drink for pure fucking relief? (It's vodka if we go down, by the way.)
Nah, after that debacle yesterday it's really smacked me in the face that relegation is a very realistic propersition now. Even if we'd only got 1 point yesterday I wouldn't have this sinking feeling inside of me and it'd be 1 point closer to safety. Right now I'll be really happy if we stay up. Relief. Start the summer feeling good. Get ready for a better season next season etc...
This has been a crazy season but now it's turning into a nightmare. I look at the fixtures left and you'd think we'd be able to beat Newcastle, Stoke and Wigan all at home, but you know deep down it probably isn't realisitic that we're going to win all 3. I don't like how we're making this harder for ourselves...
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Hmmm, not good when you see quite a lot of Villa fans sayng we'll get relegated... makes me even more worried.
I don't think I could take a Survival Sunday. It'd be far too much for me. We need to be safe by the Arsenal game then we can pop champagne.
Hardly a reason to open the Champers, eh Situ? What's a suitable drink for pure fucking relief? (It's vodka if we go down, by the way.)
Absinthe for me. I think I might buy a few cases to get me through the next season too.
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Villa BBurn Wigan
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I had convinced myself we'd be relegated after the Bolton game.
Just done the predictor on BBC. There are so many games between the teams at the bottom, it might help us stay up. I've seen some highlights of games this weekend. The other teams may have a bit more fight than us, but they can't defend any better than us.
I went for defeats vs. Everton, Newcastle, Stoke, Liverpool and Arsenal, draws vs. West Ham and WBA, and a win at home to Wigan. We stay up on goal difference.
Bottom 3:
Wigan
Blackburn
Blose
5 points won't save us.
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Wigan,blues and Wolves
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i dont give a fuck as long as we arent one of the three relegated teams
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Villa getting relegated in the same season as Birmingham winning a trophy is what nightmares are made of.
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If we go down but Blues, Albion and Wolves stay up I may just leave the country
Blues, Wigan, Blackburn
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Blackpool, Wigan, Villa. It's heartbreaking to say it but we are doomed.
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I said it here a month ago that this season 'could' see Blues win a cup, Spurs win the European cup and us relegated - didn't believe it could happen then, starting to wonder now.
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I'll add a poll in a bit.
I'm going for Wigan, Blackburn, SHA.
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Wolves
B lose
Blackburn
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Blues, Albion, Villa.
The Dogheads will be pleased.
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I was very downbeat yesterday but my predictions today result in the following point tallies:
West Ham 43
Wolves 42
Villa 40 (wins against Ncastle and Wigan and a draw against Stoke)
Blues 40
West Brom 39
Blackpool 38
Blackburn 36 (a hellish run awaits them)
Wigan 36
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Wigan, West Brom, Blackpool
I've felt for a while we'll be involved going into the final game or so, and see no reason to alter that.
We will be OK, ultimately. But that will be because of the shiteness of others, rather than any major upturn in our fortunes. We just need to continue our mediocre> poor form from the turn of the year. But worse than that -anything similar to Sunderland and Wolves yesterday- and all bets are off.
We'll get two wins from the remaining games before we play Arsenal and Liverpool, making us all but safe. Then a defeat at Arsenal (possibly a heavy one too) will put us back in it.
We'll be sweating on the final game but other results will save us.
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Wigan
Wolves
Blues/Blackpool
Think and say what you want about Houllier,personally i want him out and have done for some time but for the 90 minutes you are at the match,get behind the team because booing never did anyone any good.UTV
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So 67% want GH sacked yet only 1 in 10 think we will go down, dosent make sense.
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So 67% want GH sacked yet only 1 in 10 think we will go down, dosent make sense.
Why doesn't it?
"Not being relegated" isn't necessarily enough for people to want to keep him here.
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I think we will go down.
Every time there is an anniversary we seem to be out of the top flight.
74-75 centenary season division 2
1988 the leagues centenary season division 2.
This year 100 years in the top flight might not be in it next season.
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Wigan, Blackburn and us Im afraid.
Wigan I feel are the poorest side in the division.
Us and Blackburn seem to have the least fight and the least likely to pull a surprise result out the bag somewhere.
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I would say it is almost impossible to predict this season. The ones to go down will those who dont have the stomach to fight for every point every game. Lady luck will also play her part. The last 10 mins of the last day's games will be like no other.
I would go for Wigan + 2. Just pray we are not one of the 2.
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I'll say this though, any hope/ optimism I may have that we'll avoid the drop will definitely go south if we fail to beat Wigwam at VP.
It wouldn't be completely out of the question either, we haven't beaten them since they came up.
Unless we get an unexpected win at somewhere like Everton or possibly even West Ham (and that wouldn't have seemed particularly unusual a few months ago) we really, really need to win that one.
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Makes me sad seeing lots of ppl thinking we'll go down...
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Wigan and Blackpool definate. The other one less clear cut, but i'm going for Albion to nosedive right at the end after looking fairly comfortable.
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It's OK - panic over.
Stephen Ireland will save us - Clicky (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1368018/Out-Toon-Pardew-probes-stars-nightclub-hi-jinx.html)
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What a prick
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Good to see that he's pulling out all the stops to try and turn his career around.
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That Liverpool relegation party on the last day of the season that I was invited to on Facebook is starting to take on a whole new meaning.
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BBurn have got to play Arse, Citeh and Manu as well as 6 pointers against Wolves, Blues and West Ham. They are in deep shit.
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They got a lucky point yesterday coming from two goals down. Their tales will be up for their forthcoming games.
Anyone who saw us yesterday would see that our confidence is through the floor.
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If by the time we run out at Goodison, Houllier is still in charge, we will go down.
Wigan and Blackburn would be my prediction for the two to accompany us.
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We will survive.
Blackburn were garbage at VP a few weeks ago and have a tougher run in than us, still got to play both Manchester clubs at Ewood so if they don't sack Kean and re-appoint Allardyce, they'll drop imo.
Wigan aswell and I also think West Ham.
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Have you seen West Ham recent form
http://www.premierleague.com/page/FormGuide
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My god Sunderland are having a 'mare.
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Have you seen West Ham recent form
http://www.premierleague.com/page/FormGuide
To be fair, I'm still basing it on them having to play Manure at home and then Man. City and Chelsea back to back away, three matches I think they'll lose (mind you I thought they'd lose yesterday).
Add to that shock horror I actually don't think we'll lose at Upton Park and I also don't think they'll win at Bolton or Wigan and I can't see them winning many games in the run in.
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Villa, Blues and Wigan.
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Ridiculously tight. I still think Wigan are fooked and Blackburn in freefall. Then it could be anyone...Newcastle could get dragged into it yet.
Will go for Blose. Injuries, lot of games played couple and playing shit football....relegated with a trophy...
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I literally don't have a clue who will drop. Every time I have someone down as looking likely to drop, they pick up a batch of points.
Based on yesterday alone, I'd have us as most likely to drop. Only time will tell if yesterday was a one off or not.
If I really had to try and pick the 3, my head says Villa, Wigan, Blackburn. As these are the three looking least likely to pick up another 8-10 points. Fucking breaks my heart writing that.
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What a puff!! I actually have tears in my eyes after writing that last post. I fucking hate loving Villa at times.
Anyway, so as I don't feel such a bumder does anyone want to talk beer, boobs and shagging birds!*
*Dunne and Carew this offer does not include either of you two.
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blose and Wigan
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Tesco bags or Blackburn , think BR will jsut survive..
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SVC on TakShite: (http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/6039/6/exclusive-collymore-admits-aston-villa-are-relegation-battle)
Former Aston Villa striker Stan Collymore believes the club has the quality to stay up despite a disastrous run of form which sees them outside the drop zone by only 1 point.
Villa’s 1-0 defeat at the hands of Wolves on Saturday means they have only won one of their last six outings.
But Collymore thinks the Villa Park side can find their way out of trouble with the firepower they have on offer.
He told Sunday Exclusive: “I can’t see Villa going [down], I’m trying to take my claret and blue glasses off, I’m desperately trying to take them off but they should have enough quality, enough goals and enough ammunition to be able to stay up.
“Villa fans are getting very edgy, very tetchy and rightly so because there is no such phrase as ‘too good to go down’, but, if you’ve got goals with Darren Bent, if Gerard Houllier goes 4-4-2 at Villa Park, you would imagine that we’re going to start picking up points, but it’s going to be mighty close.”
Asked who he thought could go down, Collymore added: “I had Blackpool, Wigan and Wolves even as late as a week a go [to go down] but you know when you see in those glossy magazines they usually have a page that says hot or not, Villa and Blackpool are most definitely not hot at the moment. Wolves and West Ham are.
“I’ve got a sneaking feeling [Birmingham and] Blackpool could get sucked into it but I’m not going to stick my neck out at this point.”
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its alright having Bent but we need to create bloody chances for him ..
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Aye.
Plus we need to keep a few out at the back.
B-lose and Blackpool might get sucked into it? What a punt that is Stan. They're firmly mired in the brownstuff like ourselves, and they know it.
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could be any 3 teams of 9 at the moment ..
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Surprising that there is a consensus that all of Wolves, West Ham and The Albion will stay up.
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Why? Wolves and West Ham are in magnificent form (5th and 6th in the form table respectively) and have new players (O'Hara and Hitzelsperger respectively) doing the business for them. West Brom's form is poorer but still much better than ours and Uncle Woy seems to have turned things around since he came in.
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Surprising that there is a consensus that all of Wolves, West Ham and The Albion will stay up.
I think all three of those sides have shown some pluck of late. They might not have got the results they want too often, but they've shown they're up for the fight.
That's what worries me most about us. We're - on paper - a far better side than any of those three, way, way better, but we just look so totally without spirit. We look broken.
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West Ham are a good side on paper Paulie, much better than all but us down there. And Parker is brilliant this season. In fact, we could do with him crocked!
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Why? Wolves and West Ham are in magnificent form (5th and 6th in the form table respectively) and have new players (O'Hara and Hitzelsperger respectively) doing the business for them. West Brom's form is poorer but still much better than ours and Uncle Woy seems to have turned things around since he came in.
West Ham also have Parker in very impressive form, Ba scoring a few goals and Rob Green seems to have rediscovered his form.
The Baggies seem able to score goals regardless of who they play, the thing we thought that would keep us up.
Wolves have a team spirit we can only dream of having at the moment.
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Did anyone just chuckle at someone quoting to Chris just then West Ham and Wolves are 5th and 6th in the form guide when that's the tried and tested Smith method of always quoting the form guide when we're in a bit of poor form!
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Did anyone just chuckle at someone quoting to Chris just then West Ham and Wolves are 5th and 6th in the form guide when that's the tried and tested Smith method of always quoting the form guide when we're in a bit of poor form!
I'm currently physically incapable of smiling or laughter.
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Did anyone just chuckle at someone quoting to Chris just then West Ham and Wolves are 5th and 6th in the form guide when that's the tried and tested Smith method of always quoting the form guide when we're in a bit of poor form!
It's a differnt point though. It's the now widely held expectation that all three of those sides will escape that I found interesting, it just shows how people react to the latest set of results. If we do this again after the next round of games we will probably get a different outcome.
The form guide is a useful indication of how you have done recently which can give you some hope for the next game but it changes very quickly. I used it as a counter to the people who said we'd been shit recently when comapred to many others we'd done Ok in that period. We were in the top 6 after Blackburn now I imagine we're nearer the bottom and it has only been 2 matches.
The teams in the bottom group are there because they have been inconsistent, good results, indifferent reults and shit results in equal measure and I expect all of us to be involved up until the last couple of games. So I was surprised at the level of confidence in those 3 all getting out of it.
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Did anyone just chuckle at someone quoting to Chris just then West Ham and Wolves are 5th and 6th in the form guide when that's the tried and tested Smith method of always quoting the form guide when we're in a bit of poor form!
It's a differnt point though. It's the now widely held expectation that all three of those sides will escape that I found interesting, it just shows how people react to the latest set of results. If we do this again after the next round of games we will probably get a different outcome.
The form guide is a useful indication of how you have done recently which can give you some hope for the next game but it changes very quickly. I used it as a counter to the people who said we'd been shit recently when comapred to many others we'd done Ok in that period. We were in the top 6 after Blackburn now I imagine we're nearer the bottom and it has only been 2 matches.
The teams in the bottom group are there because they have been inconsistent, good results, indifferent reults and shit results in equal measure and I expect all of us to be involved up until the last couple of games. So I was surprised at the level of confidence in those 3 all getting out of it.
A couple of weks ago I said on one of these posts that I thought we'd need 43 points to be absolutely okay. I still think that - and more so, since the teams with forward momentum are continuing to look strong for the relegation battle whereas there is a limpness about the Villa attitude right now.
If this season goes to the last two games, we're screwed. That's why we have a real chance in the "6-pointers" coming up against WHU, WBA, Wigan and Barcodes. The question is: have we got the collective cahunas to take these chances??!
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We would have to grow whole new sets of fulsome, swinging and bristly bollocks to win our six-pointers, as all we've shown so far this season are shrivelled sultanas rattling around dusty, dried-up sacks resembling the bags under a dead old hag's eyes.
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Ive done the BBC Prediction thingy ,
and theres some really big games to play down there yet .. massive ones ..
my table looks like this
Magpies 39
Baggies 38
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Blose 37
Blackburn 35
wigan 32
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The teams in the bottom group are there because they have been inconsistent, good results, indifferent reults and shit results in equal measure and I expect all of us to be involved up until the last couple of games. So I was surprised at the level of confidence in those 3 all getting out of it.
To be fair Chris, you are the Lawro of H&V when it comes to predictions. Based on Wolves having a dire away record, you weren't expecting us to lose on Saturday (and to be fair, neither was I).
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There are a lot of games to be played between teams down at the bottom so it maybe that 40 points is enought to stay up. We need to make sure that for our home games we have left that a rallying cry is made by the club that for those games we fill the ground and stay with the players for the 90 minutes. It is pointless or doing anything else.
I know Saturday was awful but our support wasn't there either. I am convinced that if the fans turn up the players will as well.
It will take someone other than Houlier or one of the players making the call though. Martin Laursen making a speech on the pitch beforehand might do.
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Martin Laursen making a speech on the pitch beforehand might do.
"Where are you? WHERE ARE YOU? Let's be having you!"
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Wigan, Blackpool, Birmingham.
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As it stands its Wigan, Small Heath and the Wolves, however I think the Wolves willsneak out of it and Blackburn will drop in.
We're in a right mess, but I still don't think we're going down.
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In fairness to Chris, the Wolves are garbage as we saw on Saturday. They're limited in the extreme, which makes the result and performance even more horrendous on our part.
However, I think Blackburn are on the slide. SHA and Wigan two definites for me.
We'll be alright on 44 points or something poor like that, sitting 14th or 13th. Wins against Newcastle, Stoke and Wigan, with draws to the rest and defeats to Arsenal and the Dippers.
That said, we're always likely to beat the Albion. It is the law after all.
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Just been listening to the Radio 5 usual Monday football feature with 3 or 4 'pundits' plus Gabby Logan and they did a piece on who they think will go down. All were agreed on Wigan, they were then split between Blackburn and Bloose, and the scary thing was they all thought Villa would go too.
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We will unless we start pulling our fingers out. A point against Everton and then 3 against Newcastle are a must. Get that and we'll be alright.
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Any of four teams with names beginning with W.
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I also did the predictor and was fairly pessimistic with our results. Granting us only 1 win, home v Wigan, we would just go down. If we win two, say either Newcastle or Stoke at home, we'd just stay up. There are a lot of games to go between fellow strugglers which will have an impact. So I think we need to win two and draw two to have a chance with 41 points. Newcastle could have abig say in it - they have to play all four West Midlands teams and Blackpool battling for survival. If they don't win a few, they could get sucked into it themselves.
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I've got a feeling that Fulham might be close to going down. They're almost as pathetic in front of goal as the Villa and I think that may catch up with them.
I've also gone for West Ham and Blackpool. This means that I have all of the current bottom three surviving.
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having looked at the everones 'run ins' today i'm going with Blackburn, Wigan, West Ham
which i've just noticed are the 3 favourites on our poll
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having looked at the everones 'run ins' today i'm going with Blackburn, Wigan, West Ham
which i've just noticed are the 3 favourites on our poll
Not West Ham, there are only 4 clubs less likely according to this.
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There are a lot of games to be played between teams down at the bottom so it maybe that 40 points is enought to stay up. We need to make sure that for our home games we have left that a rallying cry is made by the club that for those games we fill the ground and stay with the players for the 90 minutes. It is pointless or doing anything else.
I know Saturday was awful but our support wasn't there either. I am convinced that if the fans turn up the players will as well.
It will take someone other than Houlier or one of the players making the call though. Martin Laursen making a speech on the pitch beforehand might do.
He's been a busy bloke whilst he's been away.
Coaching badges and coaching at a decent enough level to now get a gig at the Villa (why else would he be constantly put forward as such an obvious choice, right?) And now he's apparently mastered public speaking to the extent that we are expecting Churchill-esque motivational pep talks on the pitch pre game.
Martin Laursen: the New Anthony Robbins
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Just realised Blose have only won 6 games
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Just realised Blose have only won 6 games
All season?
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having looked at the everones 'run ins' today i'm going with Blackburn, Wigan, West Ham
which i've just noticed are the 3 favourites on our poll
eh??
Wigan
Blose
Villa
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Just realised Blose have only won 6 games
All season?
well in the Prem
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Just realised Blose have only won 6 games
All season?
well in the Prem
Whereas we've won a massive 8!
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Like i have said before i think we will have enough to get out of trouble the three that i think will be playing Championship football next season are:
West Ham
Wolves
Wigan
(in that order)
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Villa
Blues
Wigan
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Just been on Betfair and Villa are 7/1 to go down but only 11/4 to finish in the top 10.
I know which one looks a better bet at the moment.
I've just seen Blackpool's fixtures, and after Fulham away next they have 4 home games on the trot in April, I can see them finishing top 10.
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villa unfortunatley, wigan and blackpool
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Birmingham,
blackburn
wigan
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Blackpool, Blackburn and Wigan all the way.
We'll be 12th.
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My Choice is 3W
Wigan Wolve and WBA
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Everybody still sticking to their original choices?
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I think Wigan and Wolves will go down, but I cannot make up my mind over Blackburn, West Ham or Blackpool for the third slot.
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I think Wigan and Wolves will go down, but I cannot make up my mind over Blackburn, West Ham or Blackpool for the third slot.
I've been the same for weeks, I've gone for blackburn because they seem to have fallen apart in the last couple of months. I can't see Wigan getting much in any of their run in and wolves are just too weak away from home, 8 points in 16 away games is relegation form however you look at it, they're only hope is to win all their home games which just doesn't seem likely.
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I think West Ham may have just shown enough, although you never know what a defeat like yesterday will do for them given their fragile confidence.
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Changed my tune to Wigan, Blackpool, Blackburn, though I've no doubt that I'll have changed my mind by next Sunday.
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Changed my tune to Wigan, Blackpool, Blackburn, though I've no doubt that I'll have changed my mind by next Sunday.
Those were my original choices and although I'm having doubts think I'll stick with it, for now.
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Wigan, Wolves and a really tough call between West Ham, Blackpool, Birmingham and ourselves for the last spot. Blackburn's point at the Emirates could be huge for them. Could we get a point there?
A win at Villa Park next week would really lift us (should other results go our way of course) up the table but more importantly psychologically.
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Wigan, Blackburn and us Im afraid.
Wigan I feel are the poorest side in the division.
Us and Blackburn seem to have the least fight and the least likely to pull a surprise result out the bag somewhere.
Change mine, I must have been having a bad day.
Wigan, Westham, Blackburn.
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Changed my tune to Wigan, Blackpool, Blackburn, though I've no doubt that I'll have changed my mind by next Sunday.
Those were my original choices and although I'm having doubts think I'll stick with it, for now.
Blackburn earned a good point yesterday though?
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Looking at the fixtures Sunderland could hold the key to survival - They play: Wst Brom, SHA,Wigan,Fulham,Wolves ans West Ham - C`mon the Makems.
My bottom three - Blackpool, Blackburn and Wigan.
Us 14th on 41 points - from 6th to 6th from bottom - well done Monsieur Houllier
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Bobby Pires says were not going down and I believe him so :-
Blackpool ( Insert Blackburn if Blackpool win today)
Wolves
Wigan
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Changed my tune to Wigan, Blackpool, Blackburn, though I've no doubt that I'll have changed my mind by next Sunday.
Those were my original choices and although I'm having doubts think I'll stick with it, for now.
Blackburn earned a good point yesterday though?
All the sides down there are capable of picking up unexpected results from time to time, that's why it is so close. Three teams have to go down though and I think others will pick up more points than them but it's all guesswork and I might have them all wrong.
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Wigan , Blackburn, Blackpool.
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Fulham 2 up on Blackpool.
think i'll go with Blackpool, Wolves and the baggies.
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I'm sticking with my Wigan, Blackpool, Blackburn.
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I'm sticking with my Wigan, Blackpool, Blackburn.
I agree.
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Blackpool now have four consecutive home games - Arsenal, Wigan, Newcastle and Stoke.
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Blackpool now have four consecutive home games - Arsenal, Wigan, Newcastle and Stoke.
They can win the Wigan and Stoke games and they're capable of a point against Newcastle and Arsenal.
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Blackpool now have four consecutive home games - Arsenal, Wigan, Newcastle and Stoke.
They can win the Wigan and Stoke games and they're capable of a point against Newcastle and Arsenal.
They have the worst home record in the division. Every other team will fancy themselves up there.
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Had Blackpool and Wigan a while back, but also had the Olbiyun.
Not so sure about that last place now, just hope/pray it isn't us.
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Blackpool now have four consecutive home games - Arsenal, Wigan, Newcastle and Stoke.
They can win the Wigan and Stoke games and they're capable of a point against Newcastle and Arsenal.
They have the worst home record in the division. Every other team will fancy themselves up there.
They've won 2 less games at home than we have.
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Blackpool now have four consecutive home games - Arsenal, Wigan, Newcastle and Stoke.
They can win the Wigan and Stoke games and they're capable of a point against Newcastle and Arsenal.
They have the worst home record in the division. Every other team will fancy themselves up there.
They've won 2 less games at home than we have.
But they've lost 7. My point is that playing at home isn't any advantage to them, in fact they've picked up more points away.
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Also Blackpool don't have a strong squad and at this stage tiredness may begin to tell- a draw in their game with Wigan would be best for us- I wonder if at the end holloways decision to play his reserves against us sends them down and keeps us up- how ironic that would be!
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I wonder if at the end holloways decision to play his reserves against us sends them down and keeps us up- how ironic that would be!
It wouldn't be in the least bit ironic.
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Blackpool, Wigan and........? I had Birmingham, but not too sure now.
At times in the season I thought West Ham were dead certs, or Brom, Wolves then Blackburn. I never thought us to be honest. I'm old enough to remember the last time we were relegated and we are far better than that with far more quality.
At times we are a bloody shambles I know but I really think we'll scrape through.
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I wonder if at the end holloways decision to play his reserves against us sends them down and keeps us up- how ironic that would be!
It wouldn't be in the least bit ironic.
So dave, he makes 10 changes at villa and they lose and villa stay up by a point ahead of Blackpool, you don't see the irony of it? Then again you wouldn't would you.
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Blackpool, Wigan and........? I had Birmingham, but not too sure now.
The Blues will be safe, a mixture of their fighting qualities and their ability to stop teams playing will see them through.
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I have also done the predictor:
Result: Wigan bottom, Blackpool and Blackburn also relegated.
At this stage last match Woves v Blackburn looks tasty!!!
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Right now my bets are West Brom, Wigan and us.
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Blackpool, Wigan and........? I had Birmingham, but not too sure now.
The Blues will be safe, a mixture of their fighting qualities and their ability to stop teams playing will see them through.
Although a couple of Blues fans I know are convinced that they'll go down, they're as pessimistic about their chances as you are about ours. When you consider that they lost to Wigan the other week you can see why. I think they'll probably just about survive but I don't think any of the bottom 8 can be confident.
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I know Sunderland are on 38 points already, but I wouldn't rule them out of it. They have so many games against bottom teams to come, that lose a few and they could be right in it.
They have also taken 1 point from the last 21, and of the nine league games since they beat us, they've won one.
Their remaining games:
Sunderland v West Brom
Birmingham v Sunderland
Sunderland v Wigan
Sunderland v Fulham
Bolton v Sunderland
Sunderland v Wolverhampton
West Ham v Sunderland
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Fcuk me if they can't get 6 points out of that lot they should get sent down 2 divisions
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Blackpool, Wigan and........? I had Birmingham, but not too sure now.
The Blues will be safe, a mixture of their fighting qualities and their ability to stop teams playing will see them through.
Although a couple of Blues fans I know are convinced that they'll go down, they're as pessimistic about their chances as you are about ours. When you consider that they lost to Wigan the other week you can see why. I think they'll probably just about survive but I don't think any of the bottom 8 can be confident.
They certainly showed some fight yesterday and played better than the side that apparently has Villa's next manager and is reputedly the next Alex Ferguson.
They're a crap football side, but unlike us they have an ability to dig in and don't have players that frequently go missing.
I hate them with a passion, but I think they have a better mentality in a dogfight than we have.
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I hate them with a passion, but I think they have a better mentality in a dogfight than we have.
They are a shit side representing a shit club, who are used to being in dogfights at the bottom, so battling is easier for them. They're like the cast of Shameless finding themselves in a rough as nails boozer and having to fight their way out.
We, on the other hand, are like a bunch of cane-toting aristocrats dropped in the middle of a ropey council estate, surrounded by devil dog toting scrotes, trying to talk our way out of it.
Or something.
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We showed some fight yesterday too. In the previous games we both lost to teams we should't have. They are better than us defensively but we are better going forward. They're as much in the shit as we are.
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Can't see us winning any games (defence poor and can't hold on to a lead) - any chance we can stay up just by drawing games?
No, didn't think so.
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The major difference being, for the Blues, this is all very "business as usual"
They are in their comfort zone when the're waist deep in it
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Wigan, West Ham and Blackpool (no particular order).
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The major difference being, for the Blues, this is all very "business as usual"
They are in their comfort zone when the're waist deep in it
How do you work that out?
Last season they were mid table. The last time they were in a relegation battle they went down.
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I wonder if at the end holloways decision to play his reserves against us sends them down and keeps us up- how ironic that would be!
It wouldn't be in the least bit ironic.
So dave, he makes 10 changes at villa and they lose and villa stay up by a point ahead of Blackpool, you don't see the irony of it? Then again you wouldn't would you.
I wouldn't see the irony.
But then again, I actually know the definition of irony.
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Blackpool, Wigan and........? I had Birmingham, but not too sure now.
The Blues will be safe, a mixture of their fighting qualities and their ability to stop teams playing will see them through.
Although a couple of Blues fans I know are convinced that they'll go down, they're as pessimistic about their chances as you are about ours. When you consider that they lost to Wigan the other week you can see why. I think they'll probably just about survive but I don't think any of the bottom 8 can be confident.
My mate and his old man both Blues fans are the same, absolutely convinced they will drop.
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I wonder if at the end holloways decision to play his reserves against us sends them down and keeps us up- how ironic that would be!
It wouldn't be in the least bit ironic.
So dave, he makes 10 changes at villa and they lose and villa stay up by a point ahead of Blackpool, you don't see the irony of it? Then again you wouldn't would you.
I wouldn't see the irony.
But then again, I actually know the definition of irony.
ironic