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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: rutski on March 19, 2011, 08:47:04 PM
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you dont represent me, you dont represent most around me, your influence was broadcast round the nation and we seem more fickle than ever!
thanks for your input!
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What, in particular, did you not like about it?
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It's a free country, and he's spot on in my opinion.
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I'm not sure that a banner that was on display for maybe 5 mins max pre-match when no players etc were on the pitch can be blamed for the 90+ minutes of dross that occurred today.
Besides, the general consensus on here at the moment seems to be "Houllier Out" so it's certainly representing many.
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Banner?!
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Yes but before the game starts? Ok we are managed by a buffoon but still have some pride it's the club the club and the club first.
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2 games ago, we played some of the finest football seen for 5 years, 2 games later some eejit voices his opinion and has everyone arguing round!.
The manager isnt going to be changed, the players will be in the summer, when will people realise he is in for the long haul!
Yes but before the game starts? Ok we are managed by a buffoon but still have some pride it's the club the club and the club first.
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Each to their own an all that, but it's really frustrating that someone would put that up when their opinion was clearly that of the minority. It was doing nothing except causing trouble and apparently plugging their website.
Arsehole.
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So you support the manager?
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2 games ago, we played some of the finest football seen for 5 years, 2 games later some eejit voices his opinion and has everyone arguing round!.
The manager isnt going to be changed, the players will be in the summer, when will people realise he is in for the long haul!
Yes but before the game starts? Ok we are managed by a buffoon but still have some pride it's the club the club and the club first.
That was one game and it was against a very poor Blackburn team
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It's a free country, and he's spot on in my opinion.
i think it makes us look like knobs! the o dreary one was correct, we had had him for 3 years and he had his own players, we want houllier to do with the shit we are left with from the previous incumbents charge major things!
it aint gonna happen.
do you think he would have picked herd today at cb if dunne, collins young or clark would have been available? of course not!
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Feel free to take a banner to the game supporting the manager if you like. Or even just start a song about him. There's a first time for everything.
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So you support the manager?
yes i do! he will transform the club and randy aint the type to just bow to the upper holtes shit pressure!
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I'm Upper Holte, and take exception to your comment.
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thats where it came from!
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Feel free to take a banner to the game supporting the manager if you like. Or even just start a song about him. There's a first time for everything.
Better yet he can knock up his own banner: 'O'fuckface was right! we are'...zzz
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Banner?!
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=42767.195
scroll down that page a wee bit and there's a decent picture.
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So you support the manager?
yes i do! he will transform the club and randy aint the type to just bow to the upper holtes shit pressure!
Well to be fair you've got that bit right.
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2 games ago, we played some of the finest football seen for 5 years
What a load of shite. The 1st half of the Blackburn game was desperate. The only difference in the 2nd half was that Blackburn gave us a penalty and an own goal and then opened up as they chased the game. Houllier has just slowed us down as a team. We're no more entertaining and a hell of a lot less creative. This isnt because the players have got worse, its because of the training methods and the system they're being asked to play.
It's grim and I can genuinely see us going down.
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i live in the black country and the same wolves fans that called for mcartheys head are the ones singing his praises now and he is the one to keep them up!
i am too annoyed at the lack of support of the team whilst they are on the pitch as you who booed all the way through make us look like treacherous wankers!
i have always and always will give my full support to the boys wearing the claret and blue shirts and there was a contingent at the game today who didnt!
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We've been division 3 before, we may go there again.
We look, and indeed are a club in crisis, and we need to get this sorted out, fast. Who's to say the Championship is rock-bottom?
I just can't wait for Exeter away.
Sorry to sound pessimistic, I'm almost as bad as the twat with the banner. I'm still sore from the game, give me a week and we'll be back in the race for fourth!
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i live in the black country and the same wolves fans that called for mcartheys head are the ones singing his praises now and he is the one to keep them up!
i am too annoyed at the lack of support of the team whilst they are on the pitch as you who booed all the way through make us look like treacherous wankers!
i have always and always will give my full support to the boys wearing the claret and blue shirts and there was a contingent at the game today who didnt!
Less of these !! and more of These II and I might start taking you seriously.
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The team were supported throughout today's game, but the ludicrous substitutions and tactical ineptness, rightly earned Houllier some flak.
Didn't hear anyone booing throughout. Were you there? Where was this constant booing coming from?
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It's a free country, and he's spot on in my opinion.
Too right. I can't believe people are moaning about a fan who has taken the time to make a banner that speaks the truth. It should have gone up a few matches ago.
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I hear what you say Rutski and it's easier for me to say this froml this distance, but sometimes players do need to know how your feeling while the game is in progress.
I followed the Villa home and away for years and they were a massive part of my life but I alwas reserved the right to hammer them if they wern't putting a shift in - probably happened 2-3 times in 25 years.
Tbf, today sounds like the type of day I might have been in to them.
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A banner whether it be pro or anti the manager doesn't win a game of football ........
goals do and we didn't get any today
Unless it's abusive or derogatory in some form, why can't it be displayed ?
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Tho poster who says Houllier will transform the club got the tense wrong. He has transformed the club. That is what we who want him gone are complaining about. Banner or no banner, chant or no chant, booing or no booing, the substantial number of mature, level headed and fair minded Villa fans who want him to be replaced take fully into consideration the disgraceful act of premeditated malice of the previous manager and the long injury list but cannot excuse the endless catalogue of blunders and gaffes Gerard Houllier has made since he took charge of our team.
Today we were humiliated by Wolverhampton Wanderers. We cling to the hope that at the end of the season we will not be one of the worst three teams in the Premiership. The club is sleep walking into second rate mediocrity. Somebody should paint HOULLIER OUT in white paint on the pitch in letters ten feet long.
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It's a free country, and he's spot on in my opinion.
What would you rather he put on the banner?
Houllier I love you
I think some people are seriously misguided if they think that what we say or our actions at the game have the slightest impact on the team or the manager
In reality the majority can't give a toss
You pay your money you can say exactly what you want on a banner (no profanities obvoiusly)
i bet hte players saw it for 5 mins and thought thats it we cant possibly be arsed to play today
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Spot on brian!!
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It's a free country, and he's spot on in my opinion.
Too right. I can't believe people are moaning about a fan who has taken the time to make a banner that speaks the truth. It should have gone up a few matches ago.
It should have but it didn't, and if we change manager now all we do is confirm relegation. Changing this late in the season never works, Newcastle and Hull being recent examples. We should have sacked Houllier after the Man City league game and given a new manager a transfer window. We didn't, instead we backed GH to the tune of £25m, so now we need to get behind the team. Remember that half the team are kids, and getting on their backs isn't going to help their confidence and therefore performances. It pisses me off when we start booing the team after 35 minutes, as happened today. Who do you think it is helping? If you want to moan, save it for the forums, or the pub, or your missus, or your dog. When you're in the ground, get behind the team
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Rutski , like you I felt houlier was the right man but today has convinced me he's lost the players and the fans and it's in the best interest of our club that he goes- I do not think we can survive with him on the evidence of today's paltry effort.
That's not being fickle, it's admitting I was wrong about him and enough is enough!
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Shouldn't of bothered. Just like with 'Good Luck Arsenal'. Didn't work. Pls stop making banners.
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i live in the black country and the same wolves fans that called for mcartheys head are the ones singing his praises now and he is the one to keep them up!
i am too annoyed at the lack of support of the team whilst they are on the pitch as you who booed all the way through make us look like treacherous wankers!
i have always and always will give my full support to the boys wearing the claret and blue shirts and there was a contingent at the game today who didnt!
Less of these !! and more of These II and I might start taking you seriously.
thanks for your pedantic note, whether i am writing with capitals or using abbreviations has feck all tho do with any discussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It's a free country, and he's spot on in my opinion.
Too right. I can't believe people are moaning about a fan who has taken the time to make a banner that speaks the truth. It should have gone up a few matches ago.
It should have but it didn't, and if we change manager now all we do is confirm relegation. Changing this late in the season never works, Newcastle and Hull being recent examples. We should have sacked Houllier after the Man City league game and given a new manager a transfer window. We didn't, instead we backed GH to the tune of £25m, so now we need to get behind the team. Remember that half the team are kids, and getting on their backs isn't going to help their confidence and therefore performances. It pisses me off when we start booing the team after 35 minutes, as happened today. Who do you think it is helping? If you want to moan, save it for the forums, or the pub, or your missus, or your dog. When you're in the ground, get behind the team
Absolutely spot on. Banners after the game? sure. But never during.
Or before for that matter.
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It's a free country, and he's spot on in my opinion.
What would you rather he put on the banner?
Houllier I love you
I think some people are seriously misguided if they think that what we say or our actions at the game have the slightest impact on the team or the manager
In reality the majority can't give a toss
You pay your money you can say exactly what you want on a banner (no profanities obvoiusly)
i bet hte players saw it for 5 mins and thought thats it we cant possibly be arsed to play today
Sorry Risso meant to quote Ruski's precious first post
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i live in the black country and the same wolves fans that called for mcartheys head are the ones singing his praises now and he is the one to keep them up!
i am too annoyed at the lack of support of the team whilst they are on the pitch as you who booed all the way through make us look like treacherous wankers!
i have always and always will give my full support to the boys wearing the claret and blue shirts and there was a contingent at the game today who didnt!
Less of these !! and more of These II and I might start taking you seriously.
thanks for your pedantic note, whether i am writing with capitals or using abbreviations has feck all tho do with any discussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is not a discussion,you are telling people how to feel.Have you answered the question about being at the game yet?
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Tho poster who says Houllier will transform the club got the tense wrong. He has transformed the club. That is what we who want him gone are complaining about. Banner or no banner, chant or no chant, booing or no booing, the substantial number of mature, level headed and fair minded Villa fans who want him to be replaced take fully into consideration the disgraceful act of premeditated malice of the previous manager and the long injury list but cannot excuse the endless catalogue of blunders and gaffes Gerard Houllier has made since he took charge of our team.
Today we were humiliated by Wolverhampton Wanderers. We cling to the hope that at the end of the season we will not be one of the worst three teams in the Premiership. The club is sleep walking into second rate mediocrity. Somebody should paint HOULLIER OUT in white paint on the pitch in letters ten feet long.
I commend this post for its eloquence and incisiveness, and invite you all to raise a glass and join me in a song from the very distant days of my misspent youth:
If Villa are going down
We'll all go down together
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When you say half the team are kids, Delph, Albrighton, Herd and for 30 minutes Baker, were today's "kids". Hardly half a team. Albrighton is an U21 international, so should be professional enough to deal with a bit of crowd noise, as is Delph.
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i live in the black country and the same wolves fans that called for mcartheys head are the ones singing his praises now and he is the one to keep them up!
i am too annoyed at the lack of support of the team whilst they are on the pitch as you who booed all the way through make us look like treacherous wankers!
i have always and always will give my full support to the boys wearing the claret and blue shirts and there was a contingent at the game today who didnt!
Less of these !! and more of These II and I might start taking you seriously.
thanks for your pedantic note, whether i am writing with capitals or using abbreviations has feck all tho do with any discussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is not a discussion,you are telling people how to feel.Have you answered the question about being at the game yet?
We're talking about a banner, whether he was at the game is irrelevant. Although I was at the game, and the atmosphere today was poisonous, and we've seen worse performances this season, so maybe it did have a negative effect
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The Banner needed to go up
I hope it features heavily in the media tomorrow and that the message gets through to that French baffoon and RL/PF
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Feel free to take a banner to the game supporting the manager if you like. Or even just start a song about him. There's a first time for everything.
Thing is it's not going to happen at this point in the season- sacking him- so we should pull the drawbridge up and just get through the season. Then is the time to argue over Houllier. Like it or not he is going to be here until the end of the season and what we really don't need right now are the fans to make the place like it's somewhere the players are too nervous to play in order to get the results we need lest the fans start singing HOullier out. Whether it's justified or not now is not the time.
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i live in the black country and the same wolves fans that called for mcartheys head are the ones singing his praises now and he is the one to keep them up!
i am too annoyed at the lack of support of the team whilst they are on the pitch as you who booed all the way through make us look like treacherous wankers!
i have always and always will give my full support to the boys wearing the claret and blue shirts and there was a contingent at the game today who didnt!
Less of these !! and more of These II and I might start taking you seriously.
thanks for your pedantic note, whether i am writing with capitals or using abbreviations has feck all tho do with any discussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is not a discussion,you are telling people how to feel.Have you answered the question about being at the game yet?
and what question was that about being at the game? i am a season ticket holder and regular away follower!
i have not told anyone how to feel, i have given my opinion of what i saw as an inopurtune moment to voice their opinion! you have given me some abuse of my grammar in the text which i call slightly pedantic.
i support the boys on the pitch and the support of them today was shit! Say what you like about the current incumbent but the previous left us deep in the cack with someone needing to get us out.
the quicker most on here who are booing and not supporting realise that he is here for the considerable future start supporting instead of undermining the team the better we will be!
my mates who came to the game today from wolves laughed at the response we gave the team!
i am embarrased by some of the behaviour!
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When you say half the team are kids, Delph, Albrighton, Herd and for 30 minutes Baker, were today's "kids". Hardly half a team. Albrighton is an U21 international, so should be professional enough to deal with a bit of crowd noise, as is Delph.
I agree taking abuse is part of the game, and they are paid a lot of money, but that doesn't give them rhino thick skin. If you made a little mistake at work and 35,000 people groaned in unison, how would that make you feel? How would that have made you feel when you were 18/19/20?
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i live in the black country and the same wolves fans that called for mcartheys head are the ones singing his praises now and he is the one to keep them up!
i am too annoyed at the lack of support of the team whilst they are on the pitch as you who booed all the way through make us look like treacherous wankers!
i have always and always will give my full support to the boys wearing the claret and blue shirts and there was a contingent at the game today who didnt!
Less of these !! and more of These II and I might start taking you seriously.
thanks for your pedantic note, whether i am writing with capitals or using abbreviations has feck all tho do with any discussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is not a discussion,you are telling people how to feel.Have you answered the question about being at the game yet?
We're talking about a banner, whether he was at the game is irrelevant. Although I was at the game, and the atmosphere today was poisonous, and we've seen worse performances this season, so maybe it did have a negative effect
Edited post.
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Walker's a kid too.
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That's exactly what I said Peter, getting on houllier's back at this stage seems pointless and can only have a negative affect on the team. That said I paid £38 today and I'd rather have given it to a tramp..What a waste of fucking money
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We've got eight games to get, what, ten points, to ensure safety? Houllier does not fill me, or, apparently the majority of Villa fans in VP today, with confidence in his ability to fashion a team able to achieve this.
That is why the banner was there, that is why fans were chanting for Houllier's removal, that is why this forum overwhelmingly is critical of Houllier and his tactics.
This isn't an ideal time to jettison a manager, but if he stays, and we go down, it doesn't bear thinking about.
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Walker's a kid too.
And Baker. That's 6 out of 13 that appeared today. I know Pires skews the average age of the team somewhat...
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We've got eight games to get, what, ten points, to ensure safety? Houllier does not fill me, or, apparently the majority of Villa fans in VP today, with confidence in his ability to fashion a team able to achieve this.
That is why the banner was there, that is why fans were chanting for Houllier's removal, that is why this forum overwhelmingly is critical of Houllier and his tactics.
This isn't an ideal time to jettison a manager, but if he stays, and we go down, it doesn't bear thinking about.
If he goes, we will go down. The team won't sustain any more instability this season
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Fair enough, that's your view. I don't agree.
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i live in the black country and the same wolves fans that called for mcartheys head are the ones singing his praises now and he is the one to keep them up!
i am too annoyed at the lack of support of the team whilst they are on the pitch as you who booed all the way through make us look like treacherous wankers!
i have always and always will give my full support to the boys wearing the claret and blue shirts and there was a contingent at the game today who didnt!
Less of these !! and more of These II and I might start taking you seriously.
thanks for your pedantic note, whether i am writing with capitals or using abbreviations has feck all tho do with any discussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is not a discussion,you are telling people how to feel.Have you answered the question about being at the game yet?
We're talking about a banner, whether he was at the game is irrelevant. Although I was at the game, and the atmosphere today was poisonous, and we've seen worse performances this season, so maybe it did have a negative effect
Edited post.
was your grammar not up to standard?
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i live in the black country and the same wolves fans that called for mcartheys head are the ones singing his praises now and he is the one to keep them up!
i am too annoyed at the lack of support of the team whilst they are on the pitch as you who booed all the way through make us look like treacherous wankers!
i have always and always will give my full support to the boys wearing the claret and blue shirts and there was a contingent at the game today who didnt!
Less of these !! and more of These II and I might start taking you seriously.
thanks for your pedantic note, whether i am writing with capitals or using abbreviations has feck all tho do with any discussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is not a discussion,you are telling people how to feel.Have you answered the question about being at the game yet?
and what question was that about being at the game? i am a season ticket holder and regular away follower!
i have not told anyone how to feel, i have given my opinion of what i saw as an inopurtune moment to voice their opinion! you have given me some abuse of my grammar in the text which i call slightly pedantic.
i support the boys on the pitch and the support of them today was shit! Say what you like about the current incumbent but the previous left us deep in the cack with someone needing to get us out.
the quicker most on here who are booing and not supporting realise that he is here for the considerable future start supporting instead of undermining the team the better we will be!
my mates who came to the game today from wolves laughed at the response we gave the team!
i am embarrased by some of the behaviour!
'Treacherous wankers' is what you have called fans who have booed today,and you still think you are still not telling people how to feel?
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i live in the black country and the same wolves fans that called for mcartheys head are the ones singing his praises now and he is the one to keep them up!
i am too annoyed at the lack of support of the team whilst they are on the pitch as you who booed all the way through make us look like treacherous wankers!
i have always and always will give my full support to the boys wearing the claret and blue shirts and there was a contingent at the game today who didnt!
Less of these !! and more of These II and I might start taking you seriously.
thanks for your pedantic note, whether i am writing with capitals or using abbreviations has feck all tho do with any discussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is not a discussion,you are telling people how to feel.Have you answered the question about being at the game yet?
and what question was that about being at the game? i am a season ticket holder and regular away follower!
i have not told anyone how to feel, i have given my opinion of what i saw as an inopurtune moment to voice their opinion! you have given me some abuse of my grammar in the text which i call slightly pedantic.
i support the boys on the pitch and the support of them today was shit! Say what you like about the current incumbent but the previous left us deep in the cack with someone needing to get us out.
the quicker most on here who are booing and not supporting realise that he is here for the considerable future start supporting instead of undermining the team the better we will be!
my mates who came to the game today from wolves laughed at the response we gave the team!
i am embarrased by some of the behaviour!
'Treacherous wankers' is what you have called fans who have booed today,and you still think you are still not telling people how to feel?
in my opinion i think they are treacherous wankers! at not one point have i told them to be treacherous wankers or not! Bigadum
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i live in the black country and the same wolves fans that called for mcartheys head are the ones singing his praises now and he is the one to keep them up!
i am too annoyed at the lack of support of the team whilst they are on the pitch as you who booed all the way through make us look like treacherous wankers!
i have always and always will give my full support to the boys wearing the claret and blue shirts and there was a contingent at the game today who didnt!
Less of these !! and more of These II and I might start taking you seriously.
thanks for your pedantic note, whether i am writing with capitals or using abbreviations has feck all tho do with any discussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is not a discussion,you are telling people how to feel.Have you answered the question about being at the game yet?
We're talking about a banner, whether he was at the game is irrelevant. Although I was at the game, and the atmosphere today was poisonous, and we've seen worse performances this season, so maybe it did have a negative effect
Edited post.
was your grammar not up to standard?
Your's isn't,try using a capital letter once in a while.
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i live in the black country and the same wolves fans that called for mcartheys head are the ones singing his praises now and he is the one to keep them up!
i am too annoyed at the lack of support of the team whilst they are on the pitch as you who booed all the way through make us look like treacherous wankers!
i have always and always will give my full support to the boys wearing the claret and blue shirts and there was a contingent at the game today who didnt!
Less of these !! and more of These II and I might start taking you seriously.
thanks for your pedantic note, whether i am writing with capitals or using abbreviations has feck all tho do with any discussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is not a discussion,you are telling people how to feel.Have you answered the question about being at the game yet?
We're talking about a banner, whether he was at the game is irrelevant. Although I was at the game, and the atmosphere today was poisonous, and we've seen worse performances this season, so maybe it did have a negative effect
Edited post.
was your grammar not up to standard?
Your's isn't,try using a capital letter once in a while.
VERY FUCKING CHILDISH ADUM!
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i live in the black country and the same wolves fans that called for mcartheys head are the ones singing his praises now and he is the one to keep them up!
i am too annoyed at the lack of support of the team whilst they are on the pitch as you who booed all the way through make us look like treacherous wankers!
i have always and always will give my full support to the boys wearing the claret and blue shirts and there was a contingent at the game today who didnt!
Less of these !! and more of These II and I might start taking you seriously.
thanks for your pedantic note, whether i am writing with capitals or using abbreviations has feck all tho do with any discussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is not a discussion,you are telling people how to feel.Have you answered the question about being at the game yet?
We're talking about a banner, whether he was at the game is irrelevant. Although I was at the game, and the atmosphere today was poisonous, and we've seen worse performances this season, so maybe it did have a negative effect
Edited post.
was your grammar not up to standard?
There were certainly some hyphens and semi colon's missing from previous posts
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Give it a rest please.
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Mods, can you please consider amending the thread title. Why call the guy "a twat" he's fully entitled to his opinion and I think a lot of Villa fans would echo his sentiments
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Fair enough, that's your view. I don't agree.
I'm only looking at recent history, like Nwcastle and Hull. I want him gone as well, I also don't want to watch us play grimsby next year, and I think we've left it too late to do anything about it. We should have got Jol in January, but we didn't
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The atmosphere today was terrible,considering the importance of the game and with a local rival. Maybe the Citeh fiasco had something to do with the way the supporters acted.
I have no problem with the reaction of the fans around the substitutions and the end of the game, we were abysmal today and our Manager fiddled when Rome was burning.
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Mods, can you please consider amending the thread title. Why call the guy "a twat" he's fully entitled to his opinion and I think a lot of Villa fans would echo his sentiments
i agree, can we change it to person
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Thanks for modifying
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Correct message. Poor timing.
Just my opinion of course.
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you dont represent me, you dont represent most around me, your influence was broadcast round the nation and we seem more fickle than ever!
thanks for your input!
I don't think we're fickle at all I speak to fans of other clubs I read their forums and the general concensus is that he's not up to the task. He's embarrassed the club on more than one occasion and it's unacceptable, not to mention being completely inept generally
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I can't help thinking that accusing us of being fickle is wide of the mark, when the majority were either against, or at best, undecided, when Houllier was appointed in the first place.
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All supporters are fickle. Being fickle is part of being a supporter.
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This is nothing to do with being fickle. What Inspector Clueless did at man City was an absolute disgrace and I am delighted that whoever made this banner felt strongly enough to make their opinions known.
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I find the fact that the stewards remove the banner(s) much more disturbing !!
Are we the paying fans not allowed an opinion inside Villa Park ??
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Pay your money, sit down, shut up. Nothing new there!
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everyone's entitled their opinion, but when your in a dog fight, that kind of banner simply isn't going to help matters. Everyone's on edge right now, and if the fans transmit that to the players it only gets worse.
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Or maybe, just maybe, it will remind the players that it's not just their multi-million pound salaries that matter.
It's the people who pay hard-earned cash, week in, week out, who are the life-blood of the club, who sacrifice great chunks of their life for THEIR club!
They - us - are what matter. We'll be here long after the prima donnas have found their next meal ticket.
So, if anyone wants to bring a banner, bring it. If it upsets the poor darlings, well, maybe that's for the good!
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he's entitled to his opinion i guess. "Fuck off Dunne"would have been better imo
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The stewards should not be taking down genuine banners from Villa fans
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you dont represent me, you dont represent most around me, your influence was broadcast round the nation and we seem more fickle than ever!
thanks for your input!
I agree with this. I'll also ask how does booing at half time lift the team, how does loud tutting help our young players when they misplace a pass or make a mistake and how does chanting "you don't know what you're doing" help the team with fifteen minutes to go?
I've been to Villa Park a few times when the atmosphere has been poisonous - at such times it's a wretched place to be and we never win. It's time to draw a line in the sand and get behind the club over these next eight games. Leave the poison for the end of the season when the final ball has been kicked. Fans have a role to play in a team's performance: get behind the club, get behind the team and lift the club up. Keep things positive or we will be in danger of talking ourselves down.
I'm sure the Wolves folk would have seen the banner, smelt the atmosphere and rubbed their hands. Not only that but the press will have picked up on it and will continue the shit-stirring and boat rocking.
When things aren't going Aston Villa's way we have got to support, we have got to be positive and we have got to battle. Those are the qualities needed to win football matches - qualities that the banner, in my opinion, lacked in spades.
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you dont represent me, you dont represent most around me, your influence was broadcast round the nation and we seem more fickle than ever!
thanks for your input!
ToI agree with this. I'll also ask how does booing at half time lift the team, how does loud tutting help our young players when they misplace a pass or make a mistake and how does chanting "you don't know what you're doing" help the team with fifteen minutes to go?
I've been to Villa Park a few times when the atmosphere has been poisonous - at such times it's a wretched place to be and we never win. It's time to draw a line in the sand and get behind the club over these next eight games. Leave the poison for the end of the season when the final ball has been kicked. Fans have a role to play in a team's performance: get behind the club, get behind the team and lift the club up. Keep things positive or we will be in danger of talking ourselves down.
I'm sure the Wolves folk would have seen the banner, smelt the atmosphere and rubbed their hands. Not only that but the press will have picked up on it and will continue the shit-stirring and boat rocking.
When things aren't going Aston Villa's way we have got to support, we have got to be positive and we have got to battle. Those are the qualities needed to win football matches - qualities that the banner, in my opinion, lacked in spades.
Totally agree lets leave the post mortems until the season is over and in the meantime just get behind the team we are after all in this together
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I can't help thinking that accusing us of being fickle is wide of the mark, when the majority were either against, or at best, undecided, when Houllier was appointed in the first place.
Very true.
But that won't stop dullards parroting the phrase and trying to use it as some kind of insult.
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It's an old adage, but if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem, and booing, getting on players backs, raising negative banners, chanting "you don't know what you're doing" and not getting behind the team is not any part of the solution to our problems.
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How much of an impact did it really have on today's proceedings though?
It was put up and quickly taken down again before the players even emerged onto the pitch.
Was the banner more or less culpable than the shit tactics and shit team selection?
I'd tend to think it had about as much impact on the result as the 'Holte End -12th man' banner has had on our home form in recent seasons - that is, not much.
It's newsworthy in so far as it will do the rounds via electronic and print media and make it clear -if ever there was any doubt- that there is growing dissatisfaction with the bloke in the stands, but that's about it.
I've seen sides with pretty lousy home support (Man U/ Arsenal/ Tottenham) have decent seasons in years gone by. I've also seen clubs who are traditionally perceived as having more partisan support (Leeds/ Newcastle/ Pompey) struggle.
But don't let that stop any Villa fans from wanting to put the boot into their own.
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Well said KG
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I've just whipped the bed sheet off Mrs Dekuip and am about to get a tin of paint out the garage. I might go with the craze and make a banner to sum up my feelings about the over-priced panic purchase of the guy who meandered around up front in a No.39 shirt this afternoon. I hope he actually decides to contribute something to the team effort before the season's out, because he's been pretty shite so far. The worrying thing is he's an England international as well.
If we just wanted someone to hang around the opposition box and and do f**k all else we'd have got Kevin Phillips back for a fraction of the cost at least he's sharp and alert when the ball eventually does come his way - and is still ten times a better finisher.
So if you see a banner with "I'M NOT A BENT FAN" painted in Dulux Pretty Pink at the Newcastle game, that'll be mine.
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I've just whipped the bed sheet off Mrs Dekuip and am about to get a tin of paint out the garage. I might go with the craze and make a banner to sum up my feelings about the over-priced panic purchase of the guy who meandered around up front in a No.39 shirt this afternoon. I hope he actually decides to contribute something to the team effort before the season's out, because he's been pretty shite so far. The worrying thing is he's an England international as well.
If we just wanted someone to hang around the opposition box and and do f**k all else we'd have got Kevin Phillips back for a fraction of the cost – at least he's sharp and alert when the ball eventually does come his way - and is still ten times a better finisher.
So if you see a banner with "I'M NOT A BENT FAN" painted in Dulux Pretty Pink at the Newcastle game, that'll be mine.
I wondered how long it would take to start turning this towards Bent - If you see a bloke about to launch a harpoon when you unveil that banner it will be me.
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It may not have had an effect on the game but its likely to have a big impact on the remainder of the season. There will be constant chanting about the manager now and won't do anything to spur the players on.
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To put that up at the start of the game when everybody needs to get behind the team, well, he's a scum bastard.
As has been mentioned, the prick made sure he put his name on it.
Twattish publicity seeker of the worst kind.
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People who put up banners like this are just attention seeking, they don't see beyond getting it on the tv. You can't use it as excuse for the result or performance but is sure as shit doesn't help. It particularly annoyed me that he used"we" as though he was somehow speaking for all of us.
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My main problem with the banner was how poorly made it was, it looked the work of an escapee from the nut house, any more performances like yesterday and I might take his place.
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It particularly annoyed me that he used"we" as though he was somehow speaking for all of us.
Ironic considering the "We're Not Fickle..." banner has gone down in Villa folklore as being how all the fans felt about DOL.
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To put that up at the start of the game when everybody needs to get behind the team, well, he's a scum bastard.
As has been mentioned, the prick made sure he put his name on it.
Twattish publicity seeker of the worst kind.
No he's not, his views are shared by many
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People who put up banners like this are just attention seeking, they don't see beyond getting it on the tv. You can't use it as excuse for the result or performance but is sure as shit doesn't help. It particularly annoyed me that he used"we" as though he was somehow speaking for all of us.
Agree.
We don't need that shit before we even kick a ball.
Why didn't the fool make a banner encouraging the team?
Oh, what am I saying, he wouldn't have got on the TV with that.
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To put that up at the start of the game when everybody needs to get behind the team, well, he's a scum bastard.
As has been mentioned, the prick made sure he put his name on it.
Twattish publicity seeker of the worst kind.
No he's not, his views are shared by many
1. Why on earth would you produce such a negative banner in a vital game beforea ball has even been kicked?
2. Why did he have to put his name on it?
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You should of heard the abuse He was getting from the lower trinity
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weather you agree or dissagre with the banner is irellevent.....we the fans pay to follow our team so we do have the right to express our opinions....its because we care...we hurt.... pity players dont ,there not like us fans.....
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In my section of the North Stand, as soon as they read the banner there was a gloomy communal muttering of
'I suppose he's right, we really are shit under him.'
Hardly the best start to the game.
The place was like a morgue.
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There was a smattering of applause when it got took down.
It was like a morgue in the north stand especially with tannoy not working, what was the minutes silence for ?
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I arrived too late to see it. Was it the same twat who brought the Arsenal banner? The minute's silence was for the Japanese disaster.
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I for one agree with the baner. This bloke is taking us down, no doubt about it. Having said that it's too late to sack him...he may as well finish the worst job since McNeill.
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weather you agree or dissagre with the banner is irellevent.....we the fans pay to follow our team so we do have the right to express our opinions....its because we care...we hurt.... pity players dont ,there not like us fans.....
So I am exercising my right to say he is a bit of a wanker for doing it.
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Before the game was bang out of order imho.
I thought we would win yday, good performances against Bburn, the better team against Bolton, i was optimistic.I don't know why this bloke put such effort into doing this banner before ydays game, did he think we would lose?
Before ydays game i was probably behind GH, after ydays game i am now not so sure, what i would say though, is as someone above said earlier, the atmosphere was shit, and very negative.Are we getting to the stage whereby the players don't want to play down VP?
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I reckon we should get behind the manager and the team we don't wan't to be getting on GH's back let's all pull together in the same direction.
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Before the game was bang out of order imho.
Well said.
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Honestly, who cares though, really? We've been shit all season long, banner or no banner. Maybe it wasn't the right time to display it, but I bet it made bugger all difference to the result. And if it helps Randy stop fiddling while Rome burns then good on him.
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I felt really confident going into this game as soon as I saw the banner I thought Christ were going to lose this.The banner created the negative vibe IMO it certainly didn't help.I know our next game is Everton away but our away support is fantastic and there'll be none of that rubbish hopefully.We may see a different team away from home
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I felt really confident going into this game as soon as I saw the banner I thought Christ were going to lose this.The banner created the negative vibe IMO it certainly didn't help.I know our next game is Everton away but our away support is fantastic and there'll be none of that rubbish hopefully.We may see a different team away from home
I think we'll up our game against Everton and only lose 2-0.
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Honestly, who cares though, really? We've been shit all season long, banner or no banner. Maybe it wasn't the right time to display it, but I bet it made bugger all difference to the result. And if it helps Randy stop fiddling while Rome burns then good on him.
We haven't been that bad at home, generally speaking. Certainly not as bad as yesterday, Sunderland excepted. So perhaps the banner did make a difference? I know all the 'we pays our money we'll do what we want' arguments, but surely when the team is struggling and uncertain, a really loud, positive home support can help the lads play with a bit more confidence? Maybe it wouldn't make any difference, but it doesn't look like we're likely to find out because when the going gets tough down Villa Park, the tough start booing. And muttering. And getting out shit banners about how they hate our manager.
Our last 2 league performances had been good. I find the attitude of a guy that hangs a banner before KO in a game of such magnitude baffling, to be honest.
Also Risso, I can certainly see the arguments for wanting Gerard out, despite wanting to see if he can make a go of things with his methods long term. But I cannot see any good reason for people to start blaming Randy for our situation as you seem to be doing since yesterdays game. Houllier certainly appeared to be the best option available when he was hired. Few disagreed. Even when people wanted him out before Xmas there weren't any particularly outstanding candidates available to take over, and you don't get many chairmen sacking their new boss after 3 months in charge. Randy, instead, backed him hugely in the transfer market which is all you can really ask of him as far as I'm concerned. So now you'd sack him, take another big financial hit, and lumber us with fat Sam on a fatter contract (on which he'd surely insist) while certainly not guaranteeing safety? Crazy.
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Also Risso, I can certainly see the arguments for wanting Gerard out, despite wanting to see if he can make a go of things with his methods long term. But I cannot see any good reason for people to start blaming Randy for our situation as you seem to be doing since yesterdays game. Houllier certainly appeared to be the best option available when he was hired. Few disagreed. Even when people wanted him out before Xmas there weren't any particularly outstanding candidates available to take over, and you don't get many chairmen sacking their new boss after 3 months in charge. Randy, instead, backed him hugely in the transfer market which is all you can really ask of him as far as I'm concerned. So now you'd sack him, take another big financial hit, and lumber us with fat Sam on a fatter contract (on which he'd surely insist) while certainly not guaranteeing safety? Crazy.
What a load of drivel. Best option my arse, he was probably the cheapest option due to Randy not having the balls to go for a manager who was currently employed. "Few disagreed" - again, absolute codswallop. And the reason I'm blaming Randy is that HE appointed Houllier, who any other decent owner wouldn't have touched with a bargepole, and HE has kept the useless eejit on, when it's obvious to a blind man on a galloping horse that he's been a disaster since he walked through the door. I don't support owners, I support Aston Villa, and Randy Lerner's (in)actions look like taking us down to the Championship.
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What a load of drivel. Best option my arse, he was probably the cheapest option due to Randy not having the balls to go for a manager who was currently employed.
See, comments like this make you sound weirdly desperate to criticise Randy. I don't support Chairmen over the club either but the guy's done a hell of a lot for us and doesn't deserve it. Accusing him of taking the cheap option with the manager given all he's spent on us since arriving is incredibly churlish, particularly since you obviously don't know what you're talking about in regard to his motives unless perhaps you're Paul Faulkner, General Krulak or Randy's missus in disguise.
And obviously he's a pussy for not poaching a manager who already had a job? Again, you have no idea that we didn't put out feelers to managers but were rebuffed. I seem to recall Jol saying something about not being interested in the job currently because he had at that point decided to stay with Ajax for a bit. Maybe none of these amazing managers, with much better records than Houllier, actually wanted to come here? On the other hand, maybe it was down to Randy being a principled man rather than having a 'lack of balls'. You've no idea whatsoever either way and your desperation to blame him for these imagined failings just makes you look miserable and bitter.
HE has kept the useless eejit on, when it's obvious to a blind man on a galloping horse that he's been a disaster since he walked through the door.
It's not that obvious. This argument has been done ad nauseum on here but he's had terrible luck with injuries and inherited a squad full of some right ******. Despite this, there have been good performances; there have been times most on here were looking at 7th as a possibility rather than trying to stay up in the last few games. Things are dire now but to say it's all been this bad since he came is complete revisionism designed, I can only assume, to give you another stick to beat Randy with.
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What a load of drivel. Best option my arse, he was probably the cheapest option due to Randy not having the balls to go for a manager who was currently employed.
See, comments like this make you sound weirdly desperate to criticise Randy.
I don't want to have a go at Randy, he's done so much for us, but the buck stops with him and this appointment could see us doing a Portsmouth.
Our wage bill to turnover is almost the same as when Pompey went down.
Shockingly bad business sense from the club.
It's not that obvious. This argument has been done ad nauseum on here but he's had terrible luck with injuries and inherited a squad full of some right c***s.
****** they may be, but they still managed 6th for the last 3 seasons.
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Houlliers appointment was wrong
Only Lerner & Faulkner can carry the can for that, can't they ?
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I've rarely read such a complete pile of rubbish on here. Looking at 7th? You'll have to remind me when that was exactly. You can castigate me all you like for my views on Lerner, but the fact is that under his mismanagement, we're in serious trouble. The main reason for this is his poor choice of manager, and poor decision to stick with him despite all the exceedingly poor football, and desperate decisions like chucking in the FA Cup game. All the nice but insignificant touches like mosaics and free scarves won't mean a thing if we get relegated. That'll set the club back years.
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everyone's entitled their opinion, but when your in a dog fight, that kind of banner simply isn't going to help matters. Everyone's on edge right now, and if the fans transmit that to the players it only gets worse.
Absolutely.
Since that Do'L banner it appears that every one in the upper Holte simply has to show their creativity with old sheets and always in a negative way.
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i'd say lerner has made mistakes but they weren't foolhardy ones. MON leaving left us in the shit - short term he took the option of not throwing the baby out with the bathwater and went for some continuation with Mcdonald. that didn't work, which given what we know now about the attitude of some of the players is not surprising. Houlliers appointment was a WTF?! moment for most of us, but again, the choices were limited - people like Moyles wouldn't have jumped ship mid-season so someone with experience at the top level in the premier was at least logical. - Again whatever GH mistakes and there's been many, he hasn't been helped by the poison in the squad continually making their presence felt. To me Randy's been trying to play a crap hand as best as he could all season and if he seems relectant to jetison yet another manager then i'm not surprised really. 4 managers in a season is rarely a blueprint for sucess
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Having grown up listening to endless anecdotes relating to the glory years of the 70's and how inspirational the Holte has always been, one can only wonder what was on the minds of the Villa 'faithful' yesterday as the events unfolded at VP.
I wholeheartedly embrace the supporters right to criticise and voice their disaffection at the pallid, ineffectual performance of our highly paid team but does voicing this disapproval before or during the game help? We played against a team of predominantly cheap, run of the mill players on wages comparable to our youngsters who comfortably did a job on us! A job as directed by their managements tactics and ably supported by the negative atmosphere created by a vociferous minority of malcontents on the much lauded former terrace. If they are unhappy with Houllier, and even I, as a supporter of his, offer no defence to yesterdays tacticless debacle, then surely they should express that discontent after the game when it has no affect on the performance?
When you consider the teams we are playing in the run in and their recent experience of relegation battles I fear our disunity will be our greatest Achilles heel. Blues, West Ham, Albion, Wolves and Wigan have all been here before and do we really expect the Blackburn and Blackpool fans to turn on their clubs / teams / managers as we did yesterday? Should we not leave the post mortem to the end of the season? The Chairman played his hand in January and I dont see what other options we have until we know the outcome of this traumatic campaign.
We told D O'L we werent fickle. I am beginning to wonder!
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A lot of the poison in the squad is down to Houllier himself. He's just as big a twat as the likes of Dunne and Warnock. Just because he's a manager doesn't alter the fact that he's behaved just as badly. I've never heard of the likes of Warnock, Collins and Beye causing problems at any of their previous clubs, yet they're amongst at least half a dozen players who are now deemed to be troublemakers.
I've worked for some right pillocks in my time, and the fact is that in whatever industry you work in, a bad manager who alienates staff will cause problems in the workplace and give rise to poor performance, and that's exactly what we're seeing now.
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I've rarely read such a complete pile of rubbish on here. Looking at 7th? You'll have to remind me when that was exactly. You can castigate me all you like for my views on Lerner, but the fact is that under his mismanagement, we're in serious trouble. The main reason for this is his poor choice of manager, and poor decision to stick with him despite all the exceedingly poor football, and desperate decisions like chucking in the FA Cup game. All the nice but insignificant touches like mosaics and free scarves won't mean a thing if we get relegated. That'll set the club back years.
After the Blackburn FA Cup win we were looking more solid and had started to get a decent little run together in the league. We had won 4 and drawn 1 of our last 5 games. The prevailing attitude then was one of 'onwards and upwards'.
It's easy to say that appointing Houllier was a bad decision. In hindsight, it certainly looks like it. But looking at it from Randy's POV at the time, who was there that would have been better? Who would you have hired that we definitely could have got? Same question applies for sacking him after a few months; who could we have got that was a clearly far superior candidate?
Previewing my post, I see Greg Nash has got it absolutely spot on there.
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Houlliers appointment was a WTF?! moment for most of us, but again, the choices were limited - people like Moyles wouldn't have jumped ship mid-season so someone with experience at the top level in the premier was at least logical.
And could we have afforded the compensation Radio 1 would surely have demanded?
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trouble with that theory is Houllier wasn't here when Dunne was living in the pie shop pre-season, he wasn't here when they were putting in gutless performances under Mcdonald. I think you'd struggle to find someone who would say GH is an easy man to get on with given the evidence but still there seems to be certain members of the squad who don't seem to be happy with whoever they're playing under
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Having grown up listening to endless anecdotes relating to the glory years of the 70's and how inspirational the Holte has always been, one can only wonder what was on the minds of the Villa 'faithful' yesterday as the events unfolded at VP.
I wholeheartedly embrace the supporters right to criticise and voice their disaffection at the pallid, ineffectual performance of our highly paid team but does voicing this disapproval before or during the game help? We played against a team of predominantly cheap, run of the mill players on wages comparable to our youngsters who comfortably did a job on us! A job as directed by their managements tactics and ably supported by the negative atmosphere created by a vociferous minority of malcontents on the much lauded former terrace. If they are unhappy with Houllier, and even I, as a supporter of his, offer no defence to yesterdays tacticless debacle, then surely they should express that discontent after the game when it has no affect on the performance?
When you consider the teams we are playing in the run in and their recent experience of relegation battles I fear our disunity will be our greatest Achilles heel. Blues, West Ham, Albion, Wolves and Wigan have all been here before and do we really expect the Blackburn and Blackpool fans to turn on their clubs / teams / managers as we did yesterday? Should we not leave the post mortem to the end of the season? The Chairman played his hand in January and I dont see what other options we have until we know the outcome of this traumatic campaign.
We told D O'L we werent fickle. I am beginning to wonder!
Agree completely with this. Make your feelings known after the game if needs be. Personally, I don't think Randy will take a massive gamble on sacking Houllier at this late stage (which I find understandable) but if people want to let him know this is what they want to happen then support the lads on the pitch for 90 minutes and get the banners and don't know what you're doing chants out afterwards. He's not going to sack him mid match, is he.
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We'll never know the full story behind the Beye and Warnock shunnings, but fucking hell, how we could have done with the pair of them playing to the best of their ability.
Especially as they're being paid a combined £80,000 per week.
An in form Warnock is far superior to Clark or Baker.
What has happened?
He was reserve left back for England ahead of Baines not so long ago.
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After the Blackburn FA Cup win we were looking more solid and had started to get a decent little run together in the league. We had won 4 and drawn 1 of our last 5 games. The prevailing attitude then was one of 'onwards and upwards'.
It's easy to say that appointing Houllier was a bad decision. In hindsight, it certainly looks like it. But looking at it from Randy's POV at the time, who was there that would have been better? Who would you have hired that we definitely could have got? Same question applies for sacking him after a few months; who could we have got that was a clearly far superior candidate?
Previewing my post, I see Greg Nash has got it absolutely spot on there.
Your self delusion isn't even based on facts. After the FA Cup game, these were our results:
Lost 3-1 to Man U
Drew 2-2 with Fulham
Drew 1-1 with Blackburn
Won 4-1 against Blacburn
Lost 3-0 against Man City (FA Cup)
Lost 3-2 against Bolton
So I make that 1 win in 5 or 6, depending on whether you want to include the FA Cup humiliation or not. If you actually meant BEFORE the FA Cup game, then we won two out of five league games. And it's not just hindsight with regards to Houllier either. The bloke was in semi-retirement pushing paper for the French FA. He hadn't been linked with a top job in years.
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Mad isn't it. His form nosedived alarmingly since he was called up to the squad, I think it was just before last Christmas? Seemed almost a different player overnight.
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Mad isn't it. His form nosedived alarmingly since he was called up to the squad, I think it was just before last Christmas? Seemed almost a different player overnight.
I'd heard from a very reliable source that he turned up for one training session reeking of alcohol.
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Feel free to take a banner to the game supporting the manager if you like. Or even just start a song about him. There's a first time for everything.
Thing is it's not going to happen at this point in the season- sacking him- so we should pull the drawbridge up and just get through the season. Then is the time to argue over Houllier. Like it or not he is going to be here until the end of the season and what we really don't need right now are the fans to make the place like it's somewhere the players are too nervous to play in order to get the results we need lest the fans start singing HOullier out. Whether it's justified or not now is not the time.
That is absolutely spot on.
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Your self delusion isn't even based on facts. After the FA Cup game, these were our results:
Lost 3-1 to Man U
Drew 2-2 with Fulham
Drew 1-1 with Blackburn
Won 4-1 against Blacburn
Lost 3-0 against Man City (FA Cup)
Lost 3-2 against Bolton
So I make that 1 win in 5 or 6, depending on whether you want to include the FA Cup humiliation or not. If you actually meant BEFORE the FA Cup game, then we won two out of five league games. And it's not just hindsight with regards to Houllier either. The bloke was in semi-retirement pushing paper for the French FA. He hadn't been linked with a top job in years.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? Course by "After the Blackburn FA Cup game... we had won 4 and drawn 1 of our previous 5 games" I meant that people were looking very much up the table after the Blackburn FA Cup game.
The games I was referring to were
Sheffield United away (W 3-1)
Blues away (D 1-1)
Man City home (W 1-0)
Wigan away (W 2-1) and
Blackburn home (W 3-1)
I'm well aware it was 2 league wins and a decent battling point at the shit. Fact remains, we were looking much more solid, scoring a few goals and people were looking up the table rather than nervously over their shoulders. Which was my original point.
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So two wins in the FA Cup were going to help us on our way to 7th....OK then. You do realise that those two games against Wigan and Man City was the only time we've had back to back league games under Houllier?
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man with banner is spot on and if it helps speed up Randy that's all good for me, can't believe anybody thinks Houlier can be given any time he is destroying us, he is out of touch doesn't have a clue or any answers just have a look at some of his quotes, how can he blame MON for zonal marking, and what he done in the FA cup finished me disgraceful!! in truth i find him embarrassing and he must be replaced asap
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So two wins in the FA Cup were going to help us on our way to 7th....OK then. You do realise that those two games against Wigan and Man City was the only time we've had back to back league games under Houllier?
Isn't that his point? That we'd had two back to back wins and therefore most people would at that time have thought that we were going forwards not backwards.
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So two wins in the FA Cup were going to help us on our way to 7th....OK then. You do realise that those two games against Wigan and Man City was the only time we've had back to back league games under Houllier?
Premature it may have been, but we looked to be getting the defence sorted and the club was still on a high from Bent's signing. Look up some posts if you want, as I KEEP SAYING the prevailing attitude was not one of fearing for relegation. Lets go back AGAIN to the original point I made that started this boring side-argument - you saying that it has always been obvious to any idiot that Houllier has been nothing but a total, awful failure, is a false statement. After we'd beaten Blackburn we had got in some very promising signings, strung some results together, and things were looking up. The table was so congested that a decent number of people here were thinking aloud about the possibility of getting up to 7th. It's really not that mental, at the time it would only have taken something like 2 wins.
As for
"So two wins in the FA Cup were going to help us on our way to 7th...OK then."
Is there any need to be putting words in my mouth in such a sarcastic, childlike fashion? It's unbecoming.
As for the back to back games thing, that has absolutely no relevance to my point whatsoever. But you do seem to keep losing sight of that in your attempts to find something to criticise.
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As for the back to back games thing, that has absolutely no relevance to my point whatsoever. But you do seem to keep losing sight of that in your attempts to find something to criticise.
I don't have to "attempt" to find something to criticise, you seem to be doing your best to ignore the elephant in the room named "impending relegation". And sorry, but saying that Houllier has been a total failure couldn't be more obvious to me. He's taken a side that finished 6th with a solid defence and made us an embarrassing shambles. He gave up in the cup to save the players from two games in 5 weeks. Every comment he makes is more embarrassing than the last. OK I can see that he's trying to get us to play football, but then that's what managers like Grant and Martinez are trying to do too, with similarly dreadful results.
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Spot on Risso this clown is killing our club and driving away the fans
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As for the back to back games thing, that has absolutely no relevance to my point whatsoever. But you do seem to keep losing sight of that in your attempts to find something to criticise.
I don't have to "attempt" to find something to criticise, you seem to be doing your best to ignore the elephant in the room named "impending relegation". And sorry, but saying that Houllier has been a total failure couldn't be more obvious to me. He's taken a side that finished 6th with a solid defence and made us an embarrassing shambles. He gave up in the cup to save the players from two games in 5 weeks. Every comment he makes is more embarrassing than the last. OK I can see that he's trying to get us to play football, but then that's what managers like Grant and Martinez are trying to do too, with similarly dreadful results.
I totally agree with you about the cup surrender. I'm not ignoring the threat of relegation. I was defending Randys part in our situation, and in relation to our most recent bits of discourse, questioning your assertion that it has been obvious to everyone that Houllier has been an unmitigated disaster throughout his tenure, when there was a period when this was simply not the case.
That is all.
If you don't need to attempt to find things to criticise, then don't do it. Stop putting words in my mouth and taking things laughably out of context like assuming I meant our run of results after the Blackburn game, when my original statement wasn't even ambiguous. It's like arguing with a child.
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Spot on thank you
As for the back to back games thing, that has absolutely no relevance to my point whatsoever. But you do seem to keep losing sight of that in your attempts to find something to criticise.
I don't have to "attempt" to find something to criticise, you seem to be doing your best to ignore the elephant in the room named "impending relegation". And sorry, but saying that Houllier has been a total failure couldn't be more obvious to me. He's taken a side that finished 6th with a solid defence and made us an embarrassing shambles. He gave up in the cup to save the players from two games in 5 weeks. Every comment he makes is more embarrassing than the last. OK I can see that he's trying to get us to play football, but then that's what managers like Grant and Martinez are trying to do too, with similarly dreadful results.
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Correct!!!!
Spot on Risso this clown is killing our club and driving away the fans
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OK I can see that he's trying to get us to play football, but then that's what managers like Grant and Martinez are trying to do too, with similarly dreadful results.
Not wanting to piss on your parade but West Ham have got 11 points from the last possible 18 and they're out of the bottom three for the first time this year.
I don't see that GH is trying to get us to play football. All I see is he's trying to get us to not lose the ball. This results is loads of possession but no chances on goal. I don't remember any of our attacking players having a single chance yesterday other than when Ash hit the bar. At home, against a team in the relegation zone, that's just not good enough. This isn't down to the players - they're all good enough to be in the top half of the table - so it must be down to something else. Everything is pointing to the management team.
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gregnash: trouble with that theory is Houllier wasn't here when Dunne was living in the pie shop pre-season, he wasn't here when they were putting in gutless performances under Mcdonald. I think you'd struggle to find someone who would say GH is an easy man to get on with given the evidence but still there seems to be certain members of the squad who don't seem to be happy with whoever they're playing under
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If only those players hadn't taken 10 points from the first 6 games of the season you might have a point.A continuation of that level of form would have seen us fighting it out with Chelsea and Spurs rather than the.Blues and Baggies.
What wouldn't you give for 3 wins and a draw from our next 6 games.
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If you don't need to attempt to find things to criticise, then don't do it. Stop putting words in my mouth and taking things laughably out of context like assuming I meant our run of results after the Blackburn game, when my original statement wasn't even ambiguous. It's like arguing with a child.
Your original point was this:
"there have been times most on here were looking at 7th as a possibility rather than trying to stay up in the last few games. Things are dire now but to say it's all been this bad since he came is complete revisionism designed, I can only assume, to give you another stick to beat Randy with."
I would argue that there has never been a single moment when "most" on here were looking at 7th at all. You seem to be using one two-game winning streak as your entire evidence for not everything being bad, when in reality it has been. We've had numerous public relations disasters, some utterly dismal results, and he's got the worst win percentage of any Villa manager since McNeill, and look where that ended. The players don't want to play for him, and the fans don't want him.
So yes, the man who appointed him, and continues to stand by him has to take the blame. If we go down, Lerner's ownership will have to be reappraised I feel.
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gregnash: trouble with that theory is Houllier wasn't here when Dunne was living in the pie shop pre-season, he wasn't here when they were putting in gutless performances under Mcdonald. I think you'd struggle to find someone who would say GH is an easy man to get on with given the evidence but still there seems to be certain members of the squad who don't seem to be happy with whoever they're playing under
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If only those players hadn't taken 10 points from the first 6 games of the season you might have a point.A continuation of that level of form would have seen us fighting it out with Chelsea and Spurs rather than the.Blues and Baggies.
What wouldn't you give for 3 wins and a draw from our next 6 games.
then why isn't he manager now then. I don't remember a ground swell of pro-mcdonald support on here when he was given the boot. Most seemed to think he'd sadly failed the audition. Tbf in retrospect he seemed to have coped at least as well as GH with the general discontentment in the camp
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Your original point was this:
"there have been times most on here were looking at 7th as a possibility rather than trying to stay up in the last few games. Things are dire now but to say it's all been this bad since he came is complete revisionism designed, I can only assume, to give you another stick to beat Randy with."
I would argue that there has never been a single moment when "most" on here were looking at 7th at all. You seem to be using one two-game winning streak as your entire evidence for not everything being bad, when in reality it has been. We've had numerous public relations disasters, some utterly dismal results, and he's got the worst win percentage of any Villa manager since McNeill, and look where that ended. The players don't want to play for him, and the fans don't want him.
So yes, the man who appointed him, and continues to stand by him has to take the blame. If we go down, Lerner's ownership will have to be reappraised I feel.
It was 4 wins and 1 draw in 5. I know that included 2 league wins and 1 draw but it's all valid when deciding whether everything's been terrible or not. If you're adamant that everything was awful and all doom and gloom after the 3-1 Blackburn win then we'll have to agree to disagree, but I am absolutely certain that it was not.
I don't disagree with you on the PR disasters, and seeing our level of commitment yesterday was incredibly disappointing. I just find it difficult to see any decent alternatives to the actions Randys taken, given the situation at the time of hiring Ged and since. It's easy to say it's Randy's fault, he hired him. But what better option was there then? What better option was there just before Christmas, a mere few months after making the appointment? Blaming him for everything without offering any plausible alternatives seems grossly unfair to me.
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Blame Houllier for dreadful results? Yes. Blame Randy? No way, hindsights bloody great. Sack him now? No looking at recent clubs to do that it diddn't work out for them, and who's going to join a club who gives you all of 6 months?
7th wasn't too far off at one point and the team started to look alot better, it was a huge task but was do-able, but thats completely gone out of the window and his comments of "we were unlucky" is bullshit, we need to make our own luck and his football isn't inspiring, tippy tappy is more frustrating than long ball!
As for the real topic, the banner, maybe at the end yes, but before such a big game what a fuckwit! It doesn't help so why do it? We all have an opinion but theres a time and a place and before a relagation clash isn't!
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Blame Houllier for dreadful results? Yes. Blame Randy? No way, hindsights bloody great. Sack him now? No looking at recent clubs to do that it diddn't work out for them, and who's going to join a club who gives you all of 6 months?
7th wasn't too far off at one point and the team started to look alot better, it was a huge task but was do-able, but thats completely gone out of the window and his comments of "we were unlucky" is bullshit, we need to make our own luck and his football isn't inspiring, tippy tappy is more frustrating than long ball!
Liverpool dispensed with Hodgson, and are doing very well under Dalglish. It's all just about appointing the right man, and Houllier most certainly isn't that man. There are a lot of managers in the world, but if you limit to those that aren't in work out of some misguided sense of "doing right" then you can't expect to be successful. If we go down, then as owner Lerner will have to take all the blame.
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Blame Houllier for dreadful results? Yes. Blame Randy? No way, hindsights bloody great. Sack him now? No looking at recent clubs to do that it diddn't work out for them, and who's going to join a club who gives you all of 6 months?
7th wasn't too far off at one point and the team started to look alot better, it was a huge task but was do-able, but thats completely gone out of the window and his comments of "we were unlucky" is bullshit, we need to make our own luck and his football isn't inspiring, tippy tappy is more frustrating than long ball!
As for the real topic, the banner, maybe at the end yes, but before such a big game what a fuckwit! It doesn't help so why do it? We all have an opinion but theres a time and a place and before a relagation clash isn't!
Did anyone actually see the banner ?
Upper Trinity (me) didn't......
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Who is our Dalglish?
If we sack Houllier, we would have to go all out for the best man, I just don't know who that would be.
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Liverpool had someone ready to step in that was sure to galvanise the support in the short term. We don't have that. Can't sack him unless we know there's someone ready to come in who's going to be better.
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Blame Houllier for dreadful results? Yes. Blame Randy? No way, hindsights bloody great. Sack him now? No looking at recent clubs to do that it diddn't work out for them, and who's going to join a club who gives you all of 6 months?
7th wasn't too far off at one point and the team started to look alot better, it was a huge task but was do-able, but thats completely gone out of the window and his comments of "we were unlucky" is bullshit, we need to make our own luck and his football isn't inspiring, tippy tappy is more frustrating than long ball!
As for the real topic, the banner, maybe at the end yes, but before such a big game what a fuckwit! It doesn't help so why do it? We all have an opinion but theres a time and a place and before a relagation clash isn't!
Did anyone actually see the banner ?
Upper Trinity (me) didn't......
It was all over Sky Sports which is on every telly inside Villa Park.
And every one was talking about it, so it had a massive effect.
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Blame Houllier for dreadful results? Yes. Blame Randy? No way, hindsights bloody great. Sack him now? No looking at recent clubs to do that it diddn't work out for them, and who's going to join a club who gives you all of 6 months?
7th wasn't too far off at one point and the team started to look alot better, it was a huge task but was do-able, but thats completely gone out of the window and his comments of "we were unlucky" is bullshit, we need to make our own luck and his football isn't inspiring, tippy tappy is more frustrating than long ball!
Liverpool dispensed with Hodgson, and are doing very well under Dalglish. It's all just about appointing the right man, and Houllier most certainly isn't that man. There are a lot of managers in the world, but if you limit to those that aren't in work out of some misguided sense of "doing right" then you can't expect to be successful. If we go down, then as owner Lerner will have to take all the blame.
Liverpool had a man ready and waiting in the wings and even then it was a gamble, but kenny had time to turn things around, whoever would come in now wouldnt have a chance.
Yeah Houllier isn't the man i agree with you, but did you see this happening at the start? Another difference with Hodgson is he had a pre season and brought in his own players, we've got a squad loyal to O'neill...
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Tho poster who says Houllier will transform the club got the tense wrong. He has transformed the club. That is what we who want him gone are complaining about. Banner or no banner, chant or no chant, booing or no booing, the substantial number of mature, level headed and fair minded Villa fans who want him to be replaced take fully into consideration the disgraceful act of premeditated malice of the previous manager and the long injury list but cannot excuse the endless catalogue of blunders and gaffes Gerard Houllier has made since he took charge of our team.
Today we were humiliated by Wolverhampton Wanderers. We cling to the hope that at the end of the season we will not be one of the worst three teams in the Premiership. The club is sleep walking into second rate mediocrity. Somebody should paint HOULLIER OUT in white paint on the pitch in letters ten feet long.
What Brian said. Actually, not quite. Add 'fucking' after every 'are', 'is' and 'the'.
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Blame Houllier for dreadful results? Yes. Blame Randy? No way, hindsights bloody great. Sack him now? No looking at recent clubs to do that it diddn't work out for them, and who's going to join a club who gives you all of 6 months?
7th wasn't too far off at one point and the team started to look alot better, it was a huge task but was do-able, but thats completely gone out of the window and his comments of "we were unlucky" is bullshit, we need to make our own luck and his football isn't inspiring, tippy tappy is more frustrating than long ball!
As for the real topic, the banner, maybe at the end yes, but before such a big game what a fuckwit! It doesn't help so why do it? We all have an opinion but theres a time and a place and before a relagation clash isn't!
Did anyone actually see the banner ?
Upper Trinity (me) didn't......
It was all over Sky Sports which is on every telly inside Villa Park.
And every one was talking about it, so it had a massive effect.
OK, OK I get the drift.
He spoke for me anyway.
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Who is our Dalglish?
Erm..Brian Little?
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Who is our Dalglish?
Erm..Brian Little?
I like the sound, but would it work?
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Probably not.
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Who is our Dalglish?
Erm..Brian Little?
I like the sound, but would it work?
Jesus Wept, no.
Since he left us with his personal problems, his managerial career has spiralled downwards.
I love him, but as a Manager he's got nothing to give anymore.
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Each to their own an all that, but it's really frustrating that someone would put that up when their opinion was clearly that of the minority. It was doing nothing except causing trouble and apparently plugging their website.
Arsehole.
This.
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I didnt see the banner and no one where i was sitting was talking about it, the atmosphere was strange yesterday and i dont see how one person putting a banner up had any affect on performance.
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I didnt see the banner and no one where i was sitting was talking about it, the atmosphere was strange yesterday and i dont see how one person putting a banner up had any affect on performance.
The steward took it down before the game kicked off due to all the fans from the lower calling up for it to be taken down.
Fair enough after the game, but to put something like that up before the game has even started isn't the best thing to set the mood.
It riled alot of fans up and perhaps took away some of the days optimism.
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Each to their own an all that, but it's really frustrating that someone would put that up when their opinion was clearly that of the minority. It was doing nothing except causing trouble and apparently plugging their website.
Arsehole.
This.
When you say the view expressed was that of the minority (and clearly, to boot) are you suggesting there is a huge groundswell of support behind Houllier?
I can't recall encountering any of this at any games I've attended this season. If I had to quantify it I'd say it's somewhere between casual indifference and outright hostility to the bloke.
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A convincing win, and his banner and opinion would have disintegrated into thin air.
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Each to their own an all that, but it's really frustrating that someone would put that up when their opinion was clearly that of the minority. It was doing nothing except causing trouble and apparently plugging their website.
Arsehole.
This.
When you say the view expressed was that of the minority (and clearly, to boot) are you suggesting there is a huge groundswell of support behind Houllier?
I can't recall encountering any of this at any games I've attended this season. If I had to quantify it I'd say it's somewhere between casual indifference and outright hostility to the bloke.
Mainly because of the reaction to the fans seeing it.
I came up from the concourse to see many lower holters shouting abuse to the upper holte, more and more people started joining in with the shouts to get it taken down, and eventually the steward removed it because it was getting pretty heated.
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If you Google "ilson.villa" you get a profile at the Avillafan.com forum (http://www.avillafan.com/forum/index.php?showuser=2515) The profile says Steve age 40, Upper Holte. One post "I want my banner back".
Not that that proves anything (just that I am a sad git for looking);
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Each to their own an all that, but it's really frustrating that someone would put that up when their opinion was clearly that of the minority. It was doing nothing except causing trouble and apparently plugging their website.
Arsehole.
This.
When you say the view expressed was that of the minority (and clearly, to boot) are you suggesting there is a huge groundswell of support behind Houllier?
I can't recall encountering any of this at any games I've attended this season. If I had to quantify it I'd say it's somewhere between casual indifference and outright hostility to the bloke.
Mainly because of the reaction to the fans seeing it.
I came up from the concourse to see many lower holters shouting abuse to the upper holte, more and more people started joining in with the shouts to get it taken down, and eventually the steward removed it because it was getting pretty heated.
Weren't people in the lower stand complaining about it as it was hanging down too far and was blocking their view, hence the reason the steward removed it?
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fucking idiot! just causing more turmoil at the club making us look stupid!
well done! muppet!
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Each to their own an all that, but it's really frustrating that someone would put that up when their opinion was clearly that of the minority. It was doing nothing except causing trouble and apparently plugging their website.
Arsehole.
This.
When you say the view expressed was that of the minority (and clearly, to boot) are you suggesting there is a huge groundswell of support behind Houllier?
I can't recall encountering any of this at any games I've attended this season. If I had to quantify it I'd say it's somewhere between casual indifference and outright hostility to the bloke.
Mainly because of the reaction to the fans seeing it.
I came up from the concourse to see many lower holters shouting abuse to the upper holte, more and more people started joining in with the shouts to get it taken down, and eventually the steward removed it because it was getting pretty heated.
Weren't people in the lower stand complaining about it as it was hanging down too far and was blocking their view, hence the reason the steward removed it?
As if that's anything to complain about this season.
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Today we were humiliated by Wolverhampton Wanderers. We cling to the hope that at the end of the season we will not be one of the worst three teams in the Premiership. The club is sleep walking into second rate mediocrity. Somebody should paint HOULLIER OUT in white paint on the pitch in letters ten feet long.
To be honest, we've been there for some time.
As for the banner, whoever did it has the right to, etc etc, however, its not the most helpful thing to show off at a relegation 6 pointer against a local rival. I was really fucking embarrassed when I saw it on MOTD last night.
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I was really fucking embarrassed when I saw it on MOTD last night.
I applaud you for having the stomach to watch MOTD after that shit performance.
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I was really fucking embarrassed when I saw it on MOTD last night.
I applaud you for having the stomach to watch MOTD after that shit performance.
I can honestly count on one hand the number of times I've watched MOTD this season. If it comes on, I generally make a point of turning it off.
At least one good thing has come out of this season.
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I was really fucking embarrassed when I saw it on MOTD last night.
I applaud you for having the stomach to watch MOTD after that shit performance.
I was away for the weekend and accidentally bumped into it in a pub. Sounded like it was a vile atmosphere down there. Everything has gone so wrong so quickly that my head is spinning.
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I saw the banner from the DE lower as I walked to my seat. I felt embarrassed and it really was the start of a bad afternoon. Regardless of how many people by the end of the game agreed with its message it was a stupid and arrogant thing to do. It just glowed with negativity in its made in the garage in five minutes by the spokesman of, well, just him.
And I could not watch MOTD for emotional reasons. Again. What a bloody horrible season it has been.
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regardless of the message i though it was rather a poor showing really. Looked liked he'd spent 5 minutes writing it on a sheet he'd just pulled of his bed and it wasn't really spaced out correctly either. A bit of preperation goes a long way.
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The banner itself was diabolical.
No sort of space between the words. Just looked like one big Welsh word. "HADENOUGH"? Que?
Anyway, like I said previously... silly idea. If we'd won than he'd looked like a dickhead. I just didn't see the point of what it was going to achieve. Everyone is allowed free speech but it just seemed like a weird time to produce such a thing.
We did lose though so the banner will be more of a talking point.
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you dont represent me, you dont represent most around me, your influence was broadcast round the nation and we seem more fickle than ever!
thanks for your input!
No but do you know what ? Fair play cause he said exactly how he feels.
He like me is pissed off to the back teeth of the onions football,its dull,its defensively pathetic and going forward he panders to Billy big bollocks (young) every whim
He's like a 10 year old spolit kid, "Im taking all the free kicks, corners, penalties, and if you dont let me im gonna sulk"
Mate,were going down,maybe when we do will he speak for you then ? or will you sit there and applaud another crock of shite display like i saw people doing on saturday (shakes head in disbelief)
The club is poisoned to its core and if you cant see it,well then we are bang in trouble.
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you dont represent me, you dont represent most around me, your influence was broadcast round the nation and we seem more fickle than ever!
thanks for your input!
No but do you know what ? Fair play cause he said exactly how he feels.
He like me is pissed off to the back teeth of the onions football,its dull,its defensively pathetic and going forward he panders to Billy big bollocks (young) every whim
He's like a 10 year old spolit kid, "Im taking all the free kicks, corners, penalties, and if you dont let me im gonna sulk"
Mate,were going down,maybe when we do will he speak for you then ? or will you sit there and applaud another crock of shite display like i saw people doing on saturday (shakes head in disbelief)
The club is poisoned to its core and if you cant see it,well then we are bang in trouble.
We're not going down, not yet anyway. Everyone needs to get behind the team and that plank winding everyone up with a daft banner gave everyone the wrong message.
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you dont represent me, you dont represent most around me, your influence was broadcast round the nation and we seem more fickle than ever!
thanks for your input!
No but do you know what ? Fair play cause he said exactly how he feels.
He like me is pissed off to the back teeth of the onions football,its dull,its defensively pathetic and going forward he panders to Billy big bollocks (young) every whim
He's like a 10 year old spolit kid, "Im taking all the free kicks, corners, penalties, and if you dont let me im gonna sulk"
Mate,were going down,maybe when we do will he speak for you then ? or will you sit there and applaud another crock of shite display like i saw people doing on saturday (shakes head in disbelief)
The club is poisoned to its core and if you cant see it,well then we are bang in trouble.
excellent post london lion , from the heart and very well said.
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If you're that bothered, why don't you produce a banner saying "We're behind you 100%!" or something to similar effect, and hang that off the Upper Holte?
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I'm off to get my crayons and a large sheet.
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If you're that bothered, why don't you produce a banner saying "We're behind you 100%!" or something to similar effect, and hang that off the Upper Holte?
Because I don't want to be a attention-seeking twat? Are you suggesting that my opinion is not valid unless I make my own banner?
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Bang on the money London Lion
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you dont represent me, you dont represent most around me, your influence was broadcast round the nation and we seem more fickle than ever!
thanks for your input!
No but do you know what ? Fair play cause he said exactly how he feels.
He like me is pissed off to the back teeth of the onions football,its dull,its defensively pathetic and going forward he panders to Billy big bollocks (young) every whim
He's like a 10 year old spolit kid, "Im taking all the free kicks, corners, penalties, and if you dont let me im gonna sulk"
Mate,were going down,maybe when we do will he speak for you then ? or will you sit there and applaud another crock of shite display like i saw people doing on saturday (shakes head in disbelief)
The club is poisoned to its core and if you cant see it,well then we are bang in trouble.
Poisoned to it's core!
You do have to laugh at the melodrama on this site.
Why do so many of those wanting to have a go at the manager feel that they have to make a dig based on his nationality?
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The bloke's banner represented my feelings perfectly.
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If you're that bothered, why don't you produce a banner saying "We're behind you 100%!" or something to similar effect, and hang that off the Upper Holte?
Are those the only 2 options then, 100% support or go now?
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The bloke's banner represented my feelings perfectly.
Do you have a web site too Chico?
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The bloke's banner represented my feelings perfectly.
Ditto
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Do you have a web site too Chico?
I've had enough of Houllier and I want him out of Villa.
I don't care ( or know) who wrote the banner or why he did it, I just agree with what it said.
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Do you have a web site too Chico?
I've had enough of Houllier and I want him out of Villa.
I don't care ( or know) who wrote the banner or why he did it, I just agree with what it said.
I agree with what he said but I don't agree with draping it over the Holte within minutes of the game starting.
As crap as results have been, as crap as Houlier's running of the club have been we are, or should still be, 100% behind the team when they need us most, not stirring up unrest before a ball is kicked.
Putting his site address underneath his anti Houllier slogan said to me that it was more about him than anything about Houllier. The wanker.
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Do you have a web site too Chico?
I've had enough of Houllier and I want him out of Villa.
I don't care ( or know) who wrote the banner or why he did it, I just agree with what it said.
I agree with what he said but I don't agree with draping it over the Holte within minutes of the game starting.
As crap as results have been, as crap as Houlier's running of the club have been we are, or should still be, 100% behind the team when they need us most, not stirring up unrest before a ball is kicked.
Putting his site address underneath his anti Houllier slogan said to me that it was more about him than anything about Houllier. The wanker.
Spot on.
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I agree with what he said but I don't agree with draping it over the Holte within minutes of the game starting.
As crap as results have been, as crap as Houlier's running of the club have been we are, or should still be, 100% behind the team when they need us most, not stirring up unrest before a ball is kicked.
That's how I see it too, except it should be 110% of course.
Vent your feelings after the game if that's what grabs you, but not before or during.
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We're not going down, not yet anyway. Everyone needs to get behind the team and that plank winding everyone up with a daft banner gave everyone the wrong message.
Maybe we are maybe we are not, but such banners do not help. They haven't in the past they won't in the future.
Good talking point down the pub, is all.
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As much as we're looking like dicks on the pitch & in the dugout, do we really need people making the fans look like dicks?
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that looked like a good quality duvet sheet. His wife must be raging, especially when it got confiscated.
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Do you have a web site too Chico?
I've had enough of Houllier and I want him out of Villa.
I don't care ( or know) who wrote the banner or why he did it, I just agree with what it said.
Agreed.
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Do you have a web site too Chico?
I've had enough of Houllier and I want him out of Villa.
I don't care ( or know) who wrote the banner or why he did it, I just agree with what it said.
Agreed.
you just dont get it do you, the title of the thread was all about timing, the fucking idiot did it at the start of the game to set the tone for the day!
I aint got a problem with anyones opinion of the manager, but do it when we have supported the team, and dont give me this i have paid my money i say what i want when i want!
It does not help the team one jot!
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you just dont get it do you
Ouch!
that's me telt!
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you just dont get it do you
Ouch!
that's me telt!
having posted this on sat night there are half who thought it was shit and half who didnt!
dont get sticking things up where the majority arent in favour, and more importantly, not going to help the team!
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you just dont get it do you, the title of the thread was all about timing, the fucking idiot did it at the start of the game to set the tone for the day!
I aint got a problem with anyones opinion of the manager, but do it when we have supported the team, and dont give me this i have paid my money i say what i want when i want!
It does not help the team one jot!
So a banner that was up for a few minutes and was hardly seen by anybody set the tone for the day? Not the shit football, piss poor tactics or pathetic substitutions? Some eejit with a bedsheet was the cause of all the problems?
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you just dont get it do you, the title of the thread was all about timing, the fucking idiot did it at the start of the game to set the tone for the day!
I aint got a problem with anyones opinion of the manager, but do it when we have supported the team, and dont give me this i have paid my money i say what i want when i want!
It does not help the team one jot!
So a banner that was up for a few minutes and was hardly seen by anybody set the tone for the day? Not the shit football, piss poor tactics or pathetic substitutions? Some eejit with a bedsheet was the cause of all the problems?
definitely helped set the atmosphere for the game amongst the fans!
what it should have said is lets get behind the team and help them get inspiration from us! but the fecker with the issue started the ball rolling down hill!
You may think your way was right to boo and call for the managers head whilst the game was going on, i like to call you treacherous basterds for deserting the TEAM!
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Each to their own an all that, but it's really frustrating that someone would put that up when their opinion was clearly that of the minority. It was doing nothing except causing trouble and apparently plugging their website.
Arsehole.
This.
When you say the view expressed was that of the minority (and clearly, to boot) are you suggesting there is a huge groundswell of support behind Houllier?
I can't recall encountering any of this at any games I've attended this season. If I had to quantify it I'd say it's somewhere between casual indifference and outright hostility to the bloke.
Mainly because of the reaction to the fans seeing it.
I came up from the concourse to see many lower holters shouting abuse to the upper holte, more and more people started joining in with the shouts to get it taken down, and eventually the steward removed it because it was getting pretty heated.
Weren't people in the lower stand complaining about it as it was hanging down too far and was blocking their view, hence the reason the steward removed it?
No, the main abuse was coming from mid way up as people first saw it coming up the stairs 'wanker, take it down!' was hollered quite a few times
the steward removed it because one of the stewards by me told him to because of the anger it was causing
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Regardless of when the banner was unfurled, turns out the bloke was spot on
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Regardless of when the banner was unfurled, turns out the bloke was spot on
does it heck, the people who do anything for the detriment of the team are the ones in the wrong! Grow up, shout what you want after the game!
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I expect there'll be more than 1 banner for Newcastle if we lose at Goodison
I'm on holiday thank the lord
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definitely helped set the atmosphere for the game amongst the fans!
what it should have said is lets get behind the team and help them get inspiration from us! but the fecker with the issue started the ball rolling down hill!
You may think your way was right to boo and call for the managers head whilst the game was going on, i like to call you treacherous basterds for deserting the TEAM!
My way? What are you talking about, my way?
And deserting the team? How do you know that the person who put the banner up didn't support the team the same as everybody else? Not wanting Houllier as manager is bugger all to do with supporting the team or not.
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I expect there'll be more than 1 banner for Newcastle if we lose at Goodison
I'm on holiday thank the lord
good fan!
definitely helped set the atmosphere for the game amongst the fans!
what it should have said is lets get behind the team and help them get inspiration from us! but the fecker with the issue started the ball rolling down hill!
You may think your way was right to boo and call for the managers head whilst the game was going on, i like to call you treacherous basterds for deserting the TEAM!
My way? What are you talking about, my way?
And deserting the team? How do you know that the person who put the banner up didn't support the team the same as everybody else? Not wanting Houllier as manager is bugger all to do with supporting the team or not.
ok, do you think the booing and the barracking helped the team one little bit?
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Do you think putting Gabby on the wing helped the team one little bit? Fans aren't robots, in your simple world of make believe, fans who have paid a fortune to watch a whole season of shit might sing and chant even when the team are crap and the manager clearly a moron, but real life isn't like that.
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Do you think putting Gabby on the wing helped the team one little bit? Fans aren't robots, in your simple world of make believe, fans who have paid a fortune to watch a whole season of shit might sing and chant even when the team are crap and the manager clearly a moron, but real life isn't like that.
not once have i said you do not tove the club, not once have i said that their opinion was not worthwhile!
I wear lucky pants, i keep to the same routine, i cheer every tackle by a villa player and every pass! I do everything in my power to be a positive influence on the boys on the pitch! What happened saturday did not help the players one bit and just by saying i dont like the manager does not excuse the fact there were treacherous bastards everywhere in that stadium saturday!
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Do you think putting Gabby on the wing helped the team one little bit? Fans aren't robots, in your simple world of make believe, fans who have paid a fortune to watch a whole season of shit might sing and chant even when the team are crap and the manager clearly a moron, but real life isn't like that.
not once have i said you do not tove the club, not once have i said that their opinion was not worthwhile!
I wear lucky pants, i keep to the same routine, i cheer every tackle by a villa player and every pass! I do everything in my power to be a positive influence on the boys on the pitch! What happened saturday did not help the players one bit and just by saying i dont like the manager does not excuse the fact there were treacherous bastards everywhere in that stadium saturday!
Oh dear.
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treacherous bastards ?
Calm down mate
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treacherous bastards ?
Calm down mate
leave it out or it'll be off with your head
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Does he mean the Liverpool fan in the dugout? He surely does.
He can't mean anyone who paid £30+ to watch that tripe.
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We're not going down, not yet anyway. Everyone needs to get behind the team and that plank winding everyone up with a daft banner gave everyone the wrong message.
Just found the courage to watch the game again and the one thing that really stuck out was just how quiet Villa Park was on Saturday. Despite not having the best of first halves, we weren't that bad, creating two clear cut chances (Carlos and Makoun) that could have seen us go in at half time 2-1 up. Instead the team gets booed off the pitch.
I'm not sure what everybody was expecting; we were lucky in both games last season to get a draw, Wolves are not as bad as some would like us to believe. They came for a point and got three. A bit like us over the last few seasons, relying on the counter attack. They managed to frustrate us and our fans bit. I do wonder if our fans had been a bit more supportive whether we'd have introduced a bit more urgency to our game, something that was clearly missing. At times it felt like watching us in a pre-season friendly.
I just hope that between now and the end of the season the fans get behind the team. They're going to need all the help they can get, what with confidence being so low.
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You are right about how quiet it was, Mark. I think there was a collective nervousness that just got worse as the game went on and must have had an impact on players already low on confidence. My thoughts coming out of the ground were that we'd been shit but as you say there were chances that would have lifted the mood considerably. That's what happened against Blackburn, as soon as we scored we were a different side. Perhaps I am clutching at straws but I have to think/hope that we are capable of producing 3 or 4 more of that type of performance before the end of the season.
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Does he mean the Liverpool fan in the dugout? He surely does.
He can't mean anyone who paid £30+ to watch that tripe.
Are you suggesting that G-Hou sneaked into the Holte before the game in order to put the banner up and hopefully get sympathy from the more loyal supporters?
right thats it! i've heard it all now!!
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Having grown up listening to endless anecdotes relating to the glory years of the 70's and how inspirational the Holte has always been, one can only wonder what was on the minds of the Villa 'faithful' yesterday as the events unfolded at VP.
I wholeheartedly embrace the supporters right to criticise and voice their disaffection at the pallid, ineffectual performance of our highly paid team but does voicing this disapproval before or during the game help? We played against a team of predominantly cheap, run of the mill players on wages comparable to our youngsters who comfortably did a job on us! A job as directed by their managements tactics and ably supported by the negative atmosphere created by a vociferous minority of malcontents on the much lauded former terrace. If they are unhappy with Houllier, and even I, as a supporter of his, offer no defence to yesterdays tacticless debacle, then surely they should express that discontent after the game when it has no affect on the performance?
When you consider the teams we are playing in the run in and their recent experience of relegation battles I fear our disunity will be our greatest Achilles heel. Blues, West Ham, Albion, Wolves and Wigan have all been here before and do we really expect the Blackburn and Blackpool fans to turn on their clubs / teams / managers as we did yesterday? Should we not leave the post mortem to the end of the season? The Chairman played his hand in January and I dont see what other options we have until we know the outcome of this traumatic campaign.
We told D O'L we werent fickle. I am beginning to wonder!
Spot on. Next time I'll read all the thread before posting.
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I have to say that the atmosphere on Saturday was one of resignation - and that wasn't the result of one banner being unfurled before kick-off.
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Is it bollocks spot on. So it wasn't the fault of the forty clap a week players but those of us in the stands? The ones who part with their hard to come by cash week after week and are rewarded with a display as gutless as that?
Tripe, if they are big enough to demand wages comparible with the most successful players in the world then they are big enough to listen to us complain when they turn in a perfomance lacking in any sort of desire whatsoever.
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And a reference to the infamous O'Leary f bomb to underscore it.
Bollocks is right.
I'd advocate a re-introduction of the word filter for that little gem, as anyone still clinging to it is clearly unimaginative enough to come up with alternatives by themselves.
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I'm on holiday thank the lord
Never a truer word.
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Lol..
Anyhow. Two things suprised me Sat. First was the non selection of Pires from the start, as he was in fairness a massive reason we beat Blackburn as he kept finding people in space and kept us going forward. Indeed, I would start him in place of Makoun at home against Newcastle and Wigan as I think he will create more and is adapted to the prem.
Second was the non selection of Delph at left back to start, as he was also excellent against Blackburn.
I think both decisions put us on the back foot, but as has been said the Makoun header was a golden chance, and the Young one second half so the chances were there. The issue is we need Bent on the end of a few to get us going at the moment.
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And a reference to the infamous O'Leary f bomb to underscore it.
Bollocks is right.
I'd advocate a re-introduction of the word filter for that little gem, as anyone still clinging to it is clearly unimaginative enough to come up with alternatives by themselves.
did someone down there mention the f word, well how dare he! Lets stone him! we have been labelled with it once, lets not get albelled again!
As i said in previous post kg, can you tell me what slight advantage the booing, barracking and the banner gave our team the weekend! None! my wolves mates were pissing themselves at us, what a damn embarrasment!
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Don't get too excited. BBC MOTD2 still put our match highlights on last, so must not regard the game nor the result nor the boos as newsworthy. They also failed to compare & contrast Liverpool's penalty for a foul outside the box with our free kick for the foul on Bent inside.
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And a reference to the infamous O'Leary f bomb to underscore it.
Bollocks is right.
I'd advocate a re-introduction of the word filter for that little gem, as anyone still clinging to it is clearly unimaginative enough to come up with alternatives by themselves.
did someone down there mention the f word, well how dare he! Lets stone him! we have been labelled with it once, lets not get albelled again!
As i said in previous post kg, can you tell me what slight advantage the booing, barracking and the banner gave our team the weekend! None! my wolves mates were pissing themselves at us, what a damn embarrasment!
The booing! And the barracking! And the Banner!
And the bombast!
The bastards!
The treachery! The traitors! The turpitude!
The fucking banner!
Ban all banners!
And the exclamation marks!
The fucking exclamation marks!
The humanity!
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The banner was a downer. I took a nephew of mine who was a Villa Park 'first-timer'. He couldn't quite believe that the last time Villa graced the pitch we won 4 - 1 and the team - potentially - could have faced someone's encrusted sheet by way of a welcome to the match starting.
Yes I know about Man. City and Bolton, but my nephew thought that whatever people feel about GH, fans should get behind the team from the beginning until the team 'proved' worthy of criticism (which they did!) and grumbles, but not booing... Naive youngster? Maybe. Likelihood of him visiting VP again? The jury is still out.
As for myself and the relegation struggle? Once the the team is on the pitch, I tend to take the Malcolm Tucker attitude to fans determined to be resolutely negative from the start: GTFI or FTFO!
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Gérard Houllier admitted he has never faced hostility like the one flung at him at Villa Park on Saturday. It was the kind of atmosphere present at Anfield during Wolves' 1-0 win against Liverpool in January. A defeat too far for Roy Hodgson. Only for Villa, there's no legend waiting in the wings, and precious little time.
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Is it bollocks spot on. So it wasn't the fault of the forty clap a week players but those of us in the stands? The ones who part with their hard to come by cash week after week and are rewarded with a display as gutless as that?
Tripe, if they are big enough to demand wages comparible with the most successful players in the world then they are big enough to listen to us complain when they turn in a perfomance lacking in any sort of desire whatsoever.
Sam Smith never blamed the fans, PW, just mentioned about leaving the booing and abuse until full time. It seems to have become the norm to boo the team off at half time if we're a goal behind now, even if we as was the case on Saturday, were the better team. Yes the players earn a fortune but even so, with so many kids in the team, you'd hope we could get behind the team during the game, even if we don't support the manager. I agree with his point about how between now and the end of the season we really need to get behind the team. The other 8 teams fans are more used to relegation battles and will be encouraging theirs teams to the max. I fear the hatred for Houllier will become the greater issue which is a great shame as nobody is bigger than the club's survival and the fact he'll be gone in the summer.
Is it a coincidence we're never come back to win a game this season having gone a goal down in the league?
Maybe Leighton could do a new banner, "We're not fickle, we just never liked you".
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Is it bollocks spot on. So it wasn't the fault of the forty clap a week players but those of us in the stands? The ones who part with their hard to come by cash week after week and are rewarded with a display as gutless as that?
Tripe, if they are big enough to demand wages comparible with the most successful players in the world then they are big enough to listen to us complain when they turn in a perfomance lacking in any sort of desire whatsoever.
Sam Smith never blamed the fans, PW, just mentioned about leaving the booing and abuse until full time. It seems to have become the norm to boo the team off at half time if we're a goal behind now, even if we as was the case on Saturday, were the better team. Yes the players earn a fortune but even so, with so many kids in the team, you'd hope we could get behind the team during the game, even if we don't support the manager. I agree with his point about how between now and the end of the season we really need to get behind the team. The other 8 teams fans are more used to relegation battles and will be encouraging theirs teams to the max. I fear the hatred for Houllier will become the greater issue which is a great shame as nobody is bigger than the club's survival and the fact he'll be gone in the summer.
Is it a coincidence we're never come back to win a game this season having gone a goal down in the league?
Maybe Leighton could do a new banner, "We're not fickle, we just never liked you".
Peter, did you hear Alan Wright on Talksport today talk about the Villa Park crowd and how it can affect players - especially the young ones? These people are human despite the wages.
Wrighty went on to say that when Villa Park got behind the team it was like playing with two extra players. We have to get behind the team for every single kick of every single match between now and the end of the season. Moaning, poison, jeering and bollocking our lads for the slightest mistake will contribute to us to underperforming.
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And a reference to the infamous O'Leary f bomb to underscore it.
Bollocks is right.
I'd advocate a re-introduction of the word filter for that little gem, as anyone still clinging to it is clearly unimaginative enough to come up with alternatives by themselves.
did someone down there mention the f word, well how dare he! Lets stone him! we have been labelled with it once, lets not get albelled again!
As i said in previous post kg, can you tell me what slight advantage the booing, barracking and the banner gave our team the weekend! None! my wolves mates were pissing themselves at us, what a damn embarrasment!
You mentioned that you live in the Blackcountry earlier in the thread.
You've now mentioned the reaction of your Wolves mates, so these things are important to you. They colour your judgement. Sadly they're not to me. Harsh, but there it is.
What's more important than any scorn you felt from your Wolves mates is that we stay in this division. Under this manager I -and an increasing amount of others- feel that may not be the case. To your mates no doubt it will be open season if we go down too.
In all the games I've ever attended at VP few started at such a meandering pace as Saturday's chronic lack of effort - but got a bit better with a few rousing songs. What normally occurs is some bright opening play (or bright play at any time for that matter) gets the crowd going. Not necessarily goals, but fight, endeavour or a smart interchange of play, something to get the fans off their seats.
Blaming paying spectators is wide of the mark IMO. I can't think of any other sport or industry that would attempt it. But don't let that stop you invoking the wise words of that noble sage O'dreary, wailing against the 'treacherous bastards' and all the rest of it.
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Is it bollocks spot on. So it wasn't the fault of the forty clap a week players but those of us in the stands? The ones who part with their hard to come by cash week after week and are rewarded with a display as gutless as that?
Tripe, if they are big enough to demand wages comparible with the most successful players in the world then they are big enough to listen to us complain when they turn in a perfomance lacking in any sort of desire whatsoever.
Sam Smith never blamed the fans, PW, just mentioned about leaving the booing and abuse until full time. It seems to have become the norm to boo the team off at half time if we're a goal behind now, even if we as was the case on Saturday, were the better team. Yes the players earn a fortune but even so, with so many kids in the team, you'd hope we could get behind the team during the game, even if we don't support the manager. I agree with his point about how between now and the end of the season we really need to get behind the team. The other 8 teams fans are more used to relegation battles and will be encouraging theirs teams to the max. I fear the hatred for Houllier will become the greater issue which is a great shame as nobody is bigger than the club's survival and the fact he'll be gone in the summer.
Is it a coincidence we're never come back to win a game this season having gone a goal down in the league?
Maybe Leighton could do a new banner, "We're not fickle, we just never liked you".
Peter, did you hear Alan Wright on Talksport today talk about the Villa Park crowd and how it can affect players - especially the young ones? These people are human despite the wages.
Wrighty went on to say that when Villa Park got behind the team it was like playing with two extra players. We have to get behind the team for every single kick of every single match between now and the end of the season. Moaning, poison, jeering and bollocking our lads for the slightest mistake will contribute to us to underperforming.
If all it takes to turn the Holte End into a "moaning, poison, jeering and bollocking" rabble is one dolt with a crappy banner then I would not hold out much hope for an improvement in this area any time soon. In the old days, a big fight would have broken out and the support would have been louder thereafter, galvanized by the excitement. I am not condoning that sort of behaviour, but I do not see why this banner "set the tone for the day" or "sucked out the atmosphere". Are we football fans or fucking flower arrangers?
I predict that there will be a closing of ranks for the Newcastle game and a hostile atmosphere with plenty of vociferous support for the team.
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There was a smattering of applause when it got took down.
It was like a morgue in the north stand especially with tannoy not working, what was the minutes silence for ?
Small matter of about 10,000 people dying a week ago.
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And it was impeccably observed, well done both sets of fans
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And it was impeccably observed, well done both sets of fans
Not so sure about that.
Could hear a lot of chattering and laughing coming from the Wolves fans and from our lot in the North stand.
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but as has been said the Makoun header was a golden chance, and the Young one second half so the chances were there.
If we're going to stay up, i think we're going to have to do a whole lot fucking better than create two chances at home against a relegation rival.
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but as has been said the Makoun header was a golden chance, and the Young one second half so the chances were there.
If we're going to stay up, i think we're going to have to do a whole lot fucking better than create two chances at home against a relegation rival.
I'm still mystified as to how we didn't score from the two opportunities, But Makoun did a Keegan, Spain 82 and Ashley's hitting the bar from that close was a joke.
Less said about Cuellar's chance, the better.
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but as has been said the Makoun header was a golden chance, and the Young one second half so the chances were there.
If we're going to stay up, i think we're going to have to do a whole lot fucking better than create two chances at home against a relegation rival.
I'm still mystified as to how we didn't score from the two opportunities, But Makoun did a Keegan, Spain 82 and Ashley's hitting the bar from that close was a joke.
Less said about Cuellar's chance, the better.
Regarding the Cueller chance, my first instinct was that he missed it on purpose, really rather fancifull but when I spoke to my dad the next day he said exactly the same thing unprompted.
Preposterous it may be, but given the players body language in many of the games this season I would definately say that he didn't give it his full attention.
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Makouns miss was awful. Unchallenged from 6 yards you need to be hitting the target
He's had a really shit start to his villa career
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but as has been said the Makoun header was a golden chance, and the Young one second half so the chances were there.
If we're going to stay up, i think we're going to have to do a whole lot fucking better than create two chances at home against a relegation rival.
I'm still mystified as to how we didn't score from the two opportunities, But Makoun did a Keegan, Spain 82 and Ashley's hitting the bar from that close was a joke.
Less said about Cuellar's chance, the better.
Regarding the Cueller chance, my first instinct was that he missed it on purpose, really rather fancifull but when I spoke to my dad the next day he said exactly the same thing unprompted.
Preposterous it may be, but given the players body language in many of the games this season I would definately say that he didn't give it his full attention.
Eh?
Come on.
You won't get a more whole hearted player than Carlos.
Bent was the worst offender for looking like he couldn't be bothered.
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Makouns miss was awful. Unchallenged from 6 yards you need to be hitting the target
He's had a really shit start to his villa career
I disagree with the term 'shit start'
He's looked promising and capable of something we haven't had in the centre for some time, creativity.
I think we'll see the best of him next season.
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but as has been said the Makoun header was a golden chance, and the Young one second half so the chances were there.
If we're going to stay up, i think we're going to have to do a whole lot fucking better than create two chances at home against a relegation rival.
Quite.
We seemed to spend most of the time hitting limp crosses straight at their goalkeeper.
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And it was impeccably observed, well done both sets of fans
Unfortunately Wiki it wasn't I could hear chanting which I think was coming from underneath the away end.
having said that the PA wasn't working in the Upper north so some people not in their seats may not have known.
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If we have got to really on a 37 year old midfielder who cant run to try and win a game when we have loaned out a hungry exciting young prospect like BB then we do deserve to go down.
Blackburn are shit but because we beat them at home the performance is on par with beating Barcalona
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Makouns miss was awful. Unchallenged from 6 yards you need to be hitting the target
He's had a really shit start to his villa career
I disagree with the term 'shit start'
He's looked promising and capable of something we haven't had in the centre for some time, creativity.
I think we'll see the best of him next season.
The thing is we cant afford to wait half a season for players to settle. Football is all the do for a living, they should be able to come into any team and withing 3 or 4 games settle in.
I slagged off makoun on Saturday because I thought he was shit. Apart for his pass to AY his header was a joke, I lost count of the number of times he lost possession followed by a rash challenge, looked extremely 1 dimensional to me and very very mediocre
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but as has been said the Makoun header was a golden chance, and the Young one second half so the chances were there.
If we're going to stay up, i think we're going to have to do a whole lot fucking better than create two chances at home against a relegation rival.
Quite.
We seemed to spend most of the time hitting limp crosses straight at their goalkeeper.
Yep, we appear to need 8 chances to score 1.
I suppose, if we were being generous it's a positive that we're creating chances. Trouble is, I'm not feeling very generous.
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When Chris is feeling downbeat about Villa there is definitely something to worry about.
(This is twice today that I've paid out to Chris - I think I'm turning into the Nash!)
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I wear lucky pants, i keep to the same routine, i cheer every tackle by a villa player and every pass! I do everything in my power to be a positive influence on the boys on the pitch! What happened saturday did not help the players one bit and just by saying i dont like the manager does not excuse the fact there were treacherous bastards everywhere in that stadium saturday!
With the greatest respect, I think its time you changed your pants.
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i like to call you treacherous basterds for deserting the TEAM!
"considerably better fan than yow" alert.
I'm guessing you were pissed when you posted all that shite last night and are feeling suitably foolish this morning?
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Who is our Dalglish?
If we sack Houllier, we would have to go all out for the best man, I just don't know who that would be.
The big problem in my eyes.
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Makouns miss was awful. Unchallenged from 6 yards you need to be hitting the target
He's had a really shit start to his villa career
I disagree with the term 'shit start'
He's looked promising and capable of something we haven't had in the centre for some time, creativity.
I think we'll see the best of him next season.
Probably will see the best of him. He'll be right at home in the Championship I reckon.
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Regarding the Cueller chance, my first instinct was that he missed it on purpose, really rather fancifull but when I spoke to my dad the next day he said exactly the same thing unprompted.
Preposterous it may be, but given the players body language in many of the games this season I would definately say that he didn't give it his full attention.
That, Neville, is the biggest pile of steaming dog-poo I've ever seen.
We all know Carlos has got a bit of a 9-iron for a right foot, and that's the end of it.
Feel free to pass that on to your dad as well.
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Who is our Dalglish?
If we sack Houllier, we would have to go all out for the best man, I just don't know who that would be.
The big problem in my eyes.
At the time of Hodgson's sacking, most non-Liverpool fans were pointing out that Dalglish hadn't managed in ten years, and had failed at Newcastle and Celtic. I can't think of anybody with any managerial experience whatsoever who could come in and do a worse job than Houllier for the last 8 games. It's clear that he's lost the respect of just about anybody connected with the club.
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Makouns miss was awful. Unchallenged from 6 yards you need to be hitting the target
He's had a really shit start to his villa career
I disagree with the term 'shit start'
He's looked promising and capable of something we haven't had in the centre for some time, creativity.
I think we'll see the best of him next season.
I agree, I think he'll be a good player for us, It was a mistake to keep him on Sat, He hadn't played in a month and it showed
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Who is our Dalglish?
If we sack Houllier, we would have to go all out for the best man, I just don't know who that would be.
The big problem in my eyes.
At the time of Hodgson's sacking, most non-Liverpool fans were pointing out that Dalglish hadn't managed in ten years, and had failed at Newcastle and Celtic. I can't think of anybody with any managerial experience whatsoever who could come in and do a worse job than Houllier for the last 8 games. It's clear that he's lost the respect of just about anybody connected with the club.
On Saturday, after a few weeks of doubt, I came to the conclusion that Houllier is not up to the job. But to me this is not the only issue at stake. We need a manager with the strength and capability of turning things round with a squad of players who are disunited. The "he'll do a better job because he's not Houllier" justification would not suffice with survival in the league in doubt.
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I predict that there will be a closing of ranks for the Newcastle game and a hostile atmosphere with plenty of vociferous support for the team.
I realy hope you're right.
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I predict that there will be a closing of ranks for the Newcastle game and a hostile atmosphere with plenty of vociferous support for the team.
I realy hope you're right.
And a few thousand Newcastle fans thinking back to the "Who's your next messiah?" banner whilst laughing to themselves.
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Makouns miss was awful. Unchallenged from 6 yards you need to be hitting the target
He's had a really shit start to his villa career
Exactly. A player who controls the ball in an instant and passes to a team mate. Lets face it, he'll never fit in.
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I predict that there will be a closing of ranks for the Newcastle game and a hostile atmosphere with plenty of vociferous support for the team.
I realy hope you're right.
And a few thousand Newcastle fans thinking back to the "Who's your next messiah?" banner whilst laughing to themselves.
Or Maybe "who's your next messiah? Benny from Crossroads"
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Or Maybe "who's your next messiah? Benny from Crossroads"
If they go down the 'Jasper Carrot' route there'll be murder!
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i like to call you treacherous basterds for deserting the TEAM!
"considerably better fan than yow" alert.
I'm guessing you were pissed when you posted all that shite last night and are feeling suitably foolish this morning?
no, not pissed up, fully back all those words chico, can you give me one instance when booing the team will help or inspire them?
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The banner was shit. Whether you agree with the sentiments or not, considering our recent reputation for producing quality banners, you have to conclude it was nothing more than a bloody bedsheet, something you'd expect to see down the Sty, assuming the fuckers could write.
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Makouns miss was awful. Unchallenged from 6 yards you need to be hitting the target
He's had a really shit start to his villa career
Exactly. A player who controls the ball in an instant and passes to a team mate. Lets face it, he'll never fit in.
He didn't play well v Wolves and I thought he was average v Fulham, add to that the red card and its been a shaky start. I hope he comes good but he looks a bit lightweight to me
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Makouns miss was awful. Unchallenged from 6 yards you need to be hitting the target
He's had a really shit start to his villa career
Exactly. A player who controls the ball in an instant and passes to a team mate. Lets face it, he'll never fit in.
He didn't play well v Wolves and I thought he was average v Fulham, add to that the red card and its been a shaky start. I hope he comes good but he looks a bit lightweight to me
OK, so that's how you saw it, but does that mean he's "really shit"?
I think he's a talented player who will be a great asset when he's had an opportunity to get used to the English game.
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The banner was shit. Whether you agree with the sentiments or not, considering our recent reputation for producing quality banners, you have to conclude it was nothing more than a bloody bedsheet, something you'd expect to see down the Sty, assuming the fuckers could write.
Aye.
It wasn't a banner suitable for a club of our status.
OK, it would be great if we had a banner of real flair and pazazz, like some of the ones you find on the continent. But it was lacking even the solid, dependable know-how we've grown accustomed to in recent years.
4/10
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no, not pissed up, fully back all those words chico, can you give me one instance when booing the team will help or inspire them?
I don't think booing the team helps. Although who am I to tell people who pay good money how to react to inept performances?
But, anyway, I thought your semi-coherent rant towards fellow Villa fans was to do with a banner, not with people booing?
Maybe I got the wrong end of the stick?