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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Michel Sibble on February 28, 2011, 12:26:46 AM
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Please post whatever trash talk your afflicted neighbours give you at work here*.
*doing an Legion impression
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"15 years and won fuck all"
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"To come to England, my first trophy for a small club like Birmingham.........." I am starting to like Alex Mcleish.
We wont need to worry about qualifying for Europe for the next few years, the sty dwellers are sure to get us all banned again
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"To come to England, my first trophy for a small club like Birmingham.........." I am starting to like Alex Mcleish.
He's proved himself to be a better manager than our previous 'manager.'
He's also had a lot of pressure from his board, but hasn't walked out like Man baby O'Neill did.
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Maybe the answer is to say nothing, just smile and wave five fingers at them.
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Whatever they say, we can just remind them that we've been there and done it all before, including knocking them out in the process. They've not achieved anything unique in that respect.
They'll no doubt tell us that we're living in the past, to which we can retort that at least we didn't try to nick our neighbours honours for a diary.
And if they bang on about having qualified for Europe we can tell them that we've won a European Cup having actually qualified fair-n-square, rather than losing a final having been invited.
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Waiting for the only nose I know here to come in, thank fuck it's his last day at work here as well. I have my plan already, 'game, what game?' followed by 'ooh well done you, a trophy, first time in what 136 years, at this rate you'll have caught us up by the year 3435'
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The best approach is honesty.
'You played well and deserved it.'
It also shows dignity, because if the roles were reversed, they wouldn't give us any credit at all.
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Fletch, you are in danger of sounding wise and mature.
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On balance, I think you're right though.
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TO be honest after reading the press build up and watching the tv build up i did not realise Blues were playing - it was so biased that in the end i was actually rooting for them
Their name was on that cup with a huge amount of luck in almost every game they played to get there and in the final itself - but you know what
Fair fucks to them - lets hope it inspires our lot to get a result on Wednesday and if we won the FA cup it would soon help everyone forget their win
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It's funny how you can't think of something witty to say when you're unexpectedly put on the spot.
A Blues mate of mine rung last night and said
'It's nice that we've won a trophy, It's been 15 years since you have'
It was only after the call that I wish i'd have flashed back at him
'OH FUCK OFF YOU STUPID C.UNT!'
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Prediction: Our resident knuckledragger to come in singing 'SOTV' and encouraging his 5 year old to join in.
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This is a great opportunity to offer our underprivileged neighbours an important lesson in humility and grace. The ******.
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I work with a couple, but none of them ever go & they don't know what they're talking about.
They've been quiet this morning. I made the first move to mention it. I said "I thought it was going to be a bank holiday today, was looking forward to the lie in".
Nothing was really said back.
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I have to say I've been horribly forgiving. In fact in response to a fawning article on the Guardian today I wrote this (admittedly written to wind up all the Gooners that were on line):
It's difficult to say it, but well done to our Bluenose neighbours. Why such magnanimity?
- Arsene is a sententious, condescending twit whose sides - for all their flair - seem to lack the necessary steel to deliver. I object strongly to his theory that there is only one possible way of playing the beautiful game (I refer to his comments whenever Arse play the Stokies) and his sneering derision of teams who dare to set up against his beloved Arse teams is offensive.
- I simply do not believe that football fans can subscribe - as some above have - to the the notion that "it's all about the style". It may be be convenient in defeat to lean on this as a psychological crutch, but all the football fans I've ever met seek substance as well as style.
- Arsenal - the media darlings - have been put in the their place; an also-ran along with the other 15-16 or so teams not deserving, as a right, to be in the elite of the Premiership.
The Premiership is what it is partially because of its diversity, particularly in the managerial role. So, McCleish, Pulis, Moyes et al: rock on!
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Maybe the answer is to say nothing, just smile and wave five fingers at them.
They'll only wave 6 fingers back ...
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I've got no problem saying congratulations. It's rare that there is anything to give them any respect for.
Anyway, some of my in laws and a few friends that 'kind of' follow them are happy so I'm pleased for them at least.
After watching the cricket (what a game) I went round to the old man in laws to face him and say congratulations. He had some mates around to watch it, he offered me a drink, it was all very civilised. How it should be.
Of course, we're going to win the FA cup this year so just hang in there a few months. ;)
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I will re-post here comments I made yesterday:
I am OK with this win for them. I hate it when skyteams turn up and win the cups every year. We had the chance twice last year to do what they have done and we blew it. Yes luck was part of it but if you stay in the game something turns up.
Of course you all realise that history has changed for ever. They have won a cup at Wembley and qualified for Europe. They have put right many years of hurt and we may as well get used to it. The bar is raised for us now to win something very soon.
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If you get to a point in your life when a victory for Birmingham feels like a loss for the Villa, then you can start to understand the knuckledragger mentality.
I think that some of them will be celebrating yesterday with the image of our scoreline on Saturday like a black cloud on the proceedings making the big blue vein in their head throb. Blose fans have spent so many years celebrating Villa defeats rather than their own victories that they probably don't know what to do at this stage.
They won the cup and fair play to them, but we are the Villa and we will always rise above it. I've congratulated my mates who've followed them for years even though it made me feel bilious. There's something to be said for being magnanimous in these situations.
Especially when we win the FA Cup this year.
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If you get to a point in your life when a victory for Birmingham feels like a loss for the Villa, then you can start to understand the knuckledragger mentality.
At worst, it was like being 1-0 up at Stoke, and Stoke equalising. It was not like watching my house burn down.
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Blues won something far greater than the Carling Cup yesterday. They won respect, something their fans have craved for throughout my lifetime but never warranted. Their trophy-less history made them easy to put down, deride and dismiss, especially compared to the contrast with our own glorious achievements. The bar has been raised and we should treat their success as an increased motivation to experience the glory days again ourselves. Be magnanimous and acknowlege to your Nose mates they have achieved something special. Who knows, yesterdays result may drain them of all the bitterness they've been consumed by for all these years and lead to a more healthy local rivalry.
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Had an email from a bluenose who works in our Birmingham office, giving us tips on getting in to Europe next season via Easyjet.
He's a really nice bloke (face like he's dismantled several of Percy's pallets using his forehead, but hey none of us is perfect), and I don't hate the club or their supporters. Just wish they'd disappear quietly into the Rymans...
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I work with one and he came in with a huge smile on his face. But fair enough he's a ST holder and has gone through the 'years of hurt' so I'm glad he had a good day out.
I text a few of them last night and said "Well done - Blues deserved it in the end!" I'm OK with them winning it, what I won't be OK with is them using it as a hammer to try and bash us over the head. Why can't they just be happy for themselves as opposed to concentrating on who it compares them to the Villa?
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Not sure if any of you watched a documentary yesterday (Sunday 27th February) about "special needs " it focused on people who travelled to London in large masses (more than they usually take to other venues when they go out on trips) the programme then showed people with painted faces who mostly looked stupid (a bit like care in the community people when they have been taken out for the first time in a long while) the next scene that we saw was when they "panned" the camera around to these people once their association had scored a goal they looked a bit like people who had taken their first steps as a child.
Towards the end of the programme a member of the team (who doesn't actually play for the club but he had been invited on as he could play a bit better than the other 10 people) then put a round object into a large net which was in front of him (he could not miss it was that easy)
We now find that these people are to be taken on a trip into Europe at a late date I can only hope that these people are not let loose to far into Europe as we know from past experiences when people "of a simple mind" are taken on holiday they usually at times act stupid and give us English a rather bad name while on other shores.
Let's just hope that these "people" have got up to date passports as I prsume there will be alot of border control/drig enforcement officers ready to pounce to bring them back to England.
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I support a team with a large trophy cabinet which contains several cups including League Cups, League Titles (oh yes) almost forgot a European Cup .
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Not sure if any of you watched a documentary yesterday (Sunday 27th February) about "special needs " it focused on people who travelled to London in large masses (more than they usually take to other venues when they go out on trips) the programme then showed people with painted faces who mostly looked stupid (a bit like care in the community people when they have been taken out for the first time in a long while) the next scene that we saw was when they "panned" the camera around to these people once their association had scored a goal they looked a bit like people who had taken their first steps as a child.
Towards the end of the programme a member of the team (who doesn't actually play for the club but he had been invited on as he could play a bit better than the other 10 people) then put a round object into a large net which was in front of him (he could not miss it was that easy)
We now find that these people are to be taken on a trip into Europe at a late date I can only hope that these people are not let loose to far into Europe as we know from past experiences when people "of a simple mind" are taken on holiday they usually at times act stupid and give us English a rather bad name while on other shores.
Let's just hope that these "people" have got up to date passports as I prsume there will be alot of border control/drig enforcement officers ready to pounce to bring them back to England.
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I support a team with a large trophy cabinet which contains several cups including League Cups, League Titles (oh yes) almost forgot a European Cup .
Each to their own, Daz, but I found most of this post a little distasteful. Perhaps I'm just getting old.
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First response at the final whistle was utter dismay. Calmed down 5 minutes later and sent my bluenose friend a message of congratulations. Fair play to them.
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The best approach is honesty.
'You played well and deserved it.'
It also shows dignity, because if the roles were reversed, they wouldn't give us any credit at all.
They battled well and got the rub of the green but their game plan was all about negativity and spoiling the opposition and hoping to nick something at a srt piece, it's the sort of football Allardyce has made a career out of. It was the only chance they had against a far superior team so I don't blame them for doing it but to me that's not "playing well".
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To me the phrase 'playing well' isn't just about free flowing football and expansive play. Defending and working hard is also a part of the game and that they did very well. #
So to me they did play well within the game plan the manager drew up for them, which was the right one for them to win the game against a better footballing side.
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i have congratulated them and not had any grief as of yet... they won a trophy, so fair play to them for that...
we have done it many times in the past, and to do anything other than congratulate them and acknowledge their achievement, belittles our own vast array of achievements and drags us down to a sub level of football fan...
in fact, i have had more grief of devon and brummy reds than the small heathens...
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The best approach is honesty.
'You played well and deserved it.'
It also shows dignity, because if the roles were reversed, they wouldn't give us any credit at all.
They battled well and got the rub of the green but their game plan was all about negativity and spoiling the opposition and hoping to nick something at a srt piece, it's the sort of football Allardyce has made a career out of. It was the only chance they had against a far superior team so I don't blame them for doing it but to me that's not "playing well".
They played well as in they nulified Arsenal and wore them down.
They did their job well and were very disciplined. So for me they played well (within their capabilities)
It's anti-football, but they won the trophy.
It's not a world away from how we played under MON, but we won fuck all under him.
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I congratulated one this morning and after initial chat about the game.The" City is ours" and "We are the top team in the Midlands " comments arrived to which my reply was " If ManU won nothing and Man City won the Europa this season would you consider the city of Manchester theirs based on past achievements.......silence..
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I congratulated one this morning and after initial chat about the game.The" City is ours" and "We are the top team in the Midlands " comments arrived to which my reply was " If ManU won nothing and Man City won the Europa this season would you consider the city of Manchester theirs based on past achievements.......silence..
Difference being we haven't won a trophy for over 15 years - and that was the League cup. We haven't won anything bigger than the League Cup now for nearly 30 years. A small part of me was glad they won. Praying that Blose don't win the League Cup is depressing. I'd rather be in a position where I could give them a patronising smile and congratulate them on winning a trophy at last, while we compete for the big prizes. The only way to make up for it this season is to win the FA cup - unfortunately they even have a better chance of doing that.
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I can't feel angry about it. I know too many noses to not feel a little bit happy for them. I'm also quite happy for McLeish... a decent person and good manager. I wonder how Sullivan, Gold and Brady are feeling...sick to their stomachs I hope.
That said, I know as soon as the dust settles that the bollocks will start as they all revert to type.
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I can't feel angry about it. I know too many noses to not feel a little bit happy for them. I'm also quite happy for McLeish... a decent person and good manager. I wonder how Sullivan, Gold and Brady are feeling...sick to their stomachs I hope.
That said, I know as soon as the dust settles that the bollocks will start as they all revert to type.
Not all of them I hope for your sake.
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What annoys me is that until this season Arsenal were our rivals on the pitch, with us beating them at time as well. Chasing 4th spot, getting into Europe and all that stuff. We shouldn't be overly concerned with what Blues do.
The final was almost a carbon copies of last years up to a point too. Dodgy early decision, underdogs take the lead and then get pegged back.
The difference occurred where Manu could bring on Rooney to change the game, whereas Arsenal's version Fabregas was injured. I doubt they would have lost had he been fit.
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I can't feel angry about it. I know too many noses to not feel a little bit happy for them. I'm also quite happy for McLeish... a decent person and good manager. I wonder how Sullivan, Gold and Brady are feeling...sick to their stomachs I hope.
That said, I know as soon as the dust settles that the bollocks will start as they all revert to type.
Not all of them I hope for your sake.
10.30pm Wednesday should be quite telling.
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The only one I've met today just said "Thank fuck for that, I thought we'd never win a trophy in my lifetime!"
He's a ST holder and goes to most away games as well so it was only right to shake his hand. I did say that I still hope they go down though.
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I have been fairly reasonable about it. Couldn't resist one little dig. "it's nice to see Birmingham's second team do well. Aston Villa Reserves are top of their division".
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this is the funniest thing i have seen regarding it...
Back in November a small handful of people including myself observed from afar a change happening at St Andrews. Some mocked and scoffed, more interested in discussing the fantasty ideas of City overtaking United or Spurs overcoming Arsenal. Birmingham over Villa? Not in my lifetime they claimed. Well I'm not here to talk about Villa today. Yes we could argue all day over the decision to spend 18mil on a single player in the hope he doesn't suffer injury and will therefore help pull his side away from the relegation zone, and some would rightly claim it's obscene and extremely short-termist that will only lead to bigger problems further down the line, but today is about Birmingham City.
For a long time they have had to deal with spells outside the top flight, and then when in it simply scrapping for survival year on year, sometimes successfully, somestimes not. Yet as mentioned above, it was hard not to notice that THIS Birmingham City was different. Under new ownership (seeing Carson Yeung celebrate yesterday was enough to move even the toughest of us) with a hugely underrated manager and his squad that grows in quality with every passing transfer window, yes THIS Birmingham City is very different.
Lest we forget, yesterday's historic victory (the first trophy to arrive in the city for over 15 years now) was done so without the man mountain Scott Dann, picked up for peanuts by Mcleish, or without David Bentley who has been one of the stand out players in the Prem in February, or having Roger Johnson play the last half hour with a "pulled calf", yet they came away as winners. And this was no fluke. Yes the winner was fortunate, but Birmigham more than deserved the victory over 90 minutes.
So not only do they have a major trophy to celebrate, they have the prospect of trips to Madrid, Rome, Paris, Lisbon and Minsk to play in Europe next year, and I tell you something, if Roy Hodgson can get to the final, then Alex McLeish and THIS Birmingham City bloody can too. There will be no "concentrating on the league" and fielding weakened teams to deliberately exit the competition early because the manager feels his team isn't good enough to compete on two fronts, Birmingham will give their all as they represent their city and country abroad and yeah they may not win it, but they'll give their fans a hell of an adventure either way. Not to mention the extra revenue and kudos playing in Europe will bring, allowing them to build stronger again. The positives are endless.
The giant has finally woken from his slumber, congratulations Birmingham City.
and that comes from a preston fan.. a preston fan with an anti villa agenda after i showed him up to be a clueless pillock, i might add...
fookin hilarious though...
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Even the papers dont bother with the 'sleeping giant' guff anymore.
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I have been fairly reasonable about it. Couldn't resist one little dig. "it's nice to see Birmingham's second team do well. Aston Villa Reserves are top of their division".
Be gracious. Our academy team is pretty good too.
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I didn't watch it but turned over to see them go 1 up. Turned over later and it was 1-1. Then saw via i-pod that they'd won it. The thing was that i didn't feel nearly as bad as I thought I would. It was more of an irritated tut - sort of when you're bugged by a fly for 5 seconds. maybe its because I don't live in Birmingham anymore, maybe its because Villa had won, and handsomely, that I didn't mind their 5 minutes in the sun. |Whatever it was I wanted to text my Nose mate and say well done - but more because that wou;d have wound him up more than if I'd have come out with some 'you're still shit' type truisms.
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When one arrived back to the hotel from Wembley his words to me were 'I bet you're gutted'.
Me 'No, not at all. The best team on the day won. Congratulations.'
He just stood there with his mouth open.
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In response to a text last night asking if i'd had a good day I replied i'd had a fantastic day and for such a thrilling game to have such an unexpected result decided at the very end made it even better, can't believe England managed a tie against India.
He was a bit pissed off as he had avoided the cricket score and was looking forward to watching the highlights.
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I'm non-plussed about it, but most of my Mom's side are Blues and it is nice to see them happy for a change.
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The Doc
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When one arrived back to the hotel from Wembley his words to me were 'I bet you're gutted'.
Me 'No, not at all. The best team on the day won. Congratulations.'
He just stood there with his mouth open.
Exactly what I've been doing. It confuses them into a state of silence. Bless.
I've not had a single text from any of the noses I know.
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I had a text within minutes of the final whistle (he was at the game) from one informing me "That's how it's done!". I replied with "You've just won a cup, forget about the Villa and enjoy your own teams fortunes for once."
He replied "True enough.", whatever that may mean.
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Just read a facebook message from one who said she had a great time standing in the rain for 3 hours in a digbeth pub singing SOTV, you'd think they would come up with a new song for their biggest achievement in 136 years but no, they still talk about the Villa.
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Was there not a roof on the pub?
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Was there not a roof on the pub?
The impression I got from them was that they were standing out in the rain, knobheads!
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I had a similar "bet your gutted" message.
I replied: "Not really, it's a bit like you've just scored your second goal in a game we're winning 20-2. Well done you deserved it. Keep trying."
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I went to the pub with my Blues supporting mate last night who didn't go by the way sighting not being able to afford it (where before I hear you ask). I took the 'sometimes there is nothing you can say except take your hat off to them' approach. It seemed to have a barely acceptable effect and my night at the pub wasn't as bad as first feared. For me, it was bitter sweet. Because the sight of Wengers face after the 2nd went in was very funny indeed, as was the patting of Koscielnys head by some unsporting Blue nose on his way to celebrate with the rest of the players. I fear however that the badger baiting of us is only just beginning. Remember some of them still go on about the 96 trillion they had in attendance for the Leyland Daf Fina.
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The only one in our office hasn't had a bad word to say, although the fact I sorted out his ticket despite loads of promises from his Blues mates has helped. I went down the fair play route last night on Facebook, which took the noses by suprise. The thing is I actually meant it.
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I am surprised that I feel relieved that they have won something. I knew it would happen one day (just by the law of averages) and I reckon they deserve their moment in the sun. I am also pleased for the couple of mates I have who are season ticket holders at The Sty as they a true football supporters who have followed their team through bad and bad whilst always being under the shadow of the Villa without complaint and showing admirable stoicism.
Whilst the rivalry between the two sets of supporters should always exists I would hope (and it seems to be the case reading previous posts) that we can congratulate them on a job well done- the look of disbelief amongst the Arsenal fans who display the same arrogance and unwarranted superiority as their Manager was a real plus point.
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I work in Marston Green so am surrounded by them. It's funny that the ones giving the grief are the ones who don't go to games...
I've congratulated the few decent ones though. The healthy sense of humour you develop following the Villa comes in handy at times like these.
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Was there not a roof on the pub?
They trashed it when they knocked us out, still haven't fixed it....
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As soon as the offside/non-penalty thing happened I realised I might actually want them to win it. It's always the Sky 4 that get those calls. And as a couple of people have said the fawning over Arsenal in the media is ridiculous.
And as I live in London all I had to deal with was usually smug Arse fans looking a little crestfallen. It must be said that the Blues win seems to have given neutrals quite a bit of pleasure here.
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I work with one Bluenose, who was absent today. That will draw the sting a little, but as this does not directly affect Villa, their history or their future I shall say well played and well-deserved. If we'd have lost to them in the final I would feel worse about it but there's no point being jealous as our day will come again.
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I had to sit in the pub with my nose mates and listen to a load of shit !!! was diplomatic and then moved on with my Villa mates. Was hard but if they get relegated this will mean nothing ..........
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Not sure if any of you watched a documentary yesterday (Sunday 27th February) about "special needs " it focused on people who travelled to London in large masses (more than they usually take to other venues when they go out on trips) the programme then showed people with painted faces who mostly looked stupid (a bit like care in the community people when they have been taken out for the first time in a long while) the next scene that we saw was when they "panned" the camera around to these people once their association had scored a goal they looked a bit like people who had taken their first steps as a child.
It's a wonder this got under the radar.
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Small Heath's new trophy.
We've won it five times.
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Small Heath's new trophy.
We've won it five times.
That's the first one on the end of the line. Reel 'em in.
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Not sure if any of you watched a documentary yesterday (Sunday 27th February) about "special needs " it focused on people who travelled to London in large masses (more than they usually take to other venues when they go out on trips) the programme then showed people with painted faces who mostly looked stupid (a bit like care in the community people when they have been taken out for the first time in a long while) the next scene that we saw was when they "panned" the camera around to these people once their association had scored a goal they looked a bit like people who had taken their first steps as a child.
It's a wonder this got under the radar.
dazzyg - I know you were trying to create an analogy that suited you but to do so at the expense of 'care in the community people' shows you to be unacceptably bigoted.