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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on February 11, 2011, 07:42:56 PM
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Available Saturday evening.
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Just awful.
Walker was ok and at least Ash tried a bit. But that was desperately poor.
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Like MON never left. Clueless.
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I'm shocked
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fuck me, we're limping home aren't we. I'll say this now. Thank goodness there will be three worse teams than us.
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We are still in a scrap to stay up.Just not good enough.
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Shit, shit 2nd half.
Looks like we're regressing.
What's going on Houllier?
For the upteenth time, no clean sheet.
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That second half was painful. Added to that I had to listen to it as all the streams I got on were pulled at half time. Hanging on for a point at Blackpool - wish I'd gone to Harriers now.
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I only managed to see the second half.
What a load of absolute fucking shite.
Did we have a shot ?
Did we work the keeper ?
Did we fuck ?
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A point closer to safety!
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Poor. But we got a point, which is better than I expected. Our main trouble is that we have an average team that thinks it's much, much better than it is. It tries to outdo itself, but it merely undoes itself. With all the money spent, players brought in and time afforded the manager, you'd expect a little better wouldn't you? A very hard slog lies ahead of us if we want to stay in this division.
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Some git will come on in 12-24 hours with a reasoned, intelligent thoughtful analysis that gives us food for thought and hope for the rest of the season.
But fuck that! That was shite!
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1st half wasn't bad apart from their goal, we created lots of chances but didn't put any away and yet again rue those opportunities (how many times have we said that this season). 2nd half was hopeless.
Crossing by Ash/Downing was useless.
Watching us this season has been so frustrating at times.
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Second half was awful, first half should have taken our chances. Defence has to sort itself out.
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Makoun - not impressed, square ball merchant, we already had that in Petrov
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Watched the stream. 1st half was ok.
The delivery from Young, Downing, Clark and Walker was abysmal.
2nd half the petulance shown by Heskey and in particular Young was shameful. I'm not surprised Webb never gave you a free kick Ashley because if you whinged and whined continually at me i'd tell you to get lost. This kind of behaviour isn't what Aston Villa is all about and i'm not happy about it. Grow up.
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To add insult to injury, i've got to go over to Bilston tonight.
There be dragons.
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3 points off 18th, 3 points off 8th. Crazy
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Shoulda been a penalty, and a win. Young shoulda buried that last chance, too. Eitherway, should have won. Ref favoured them. Makoun red was harsh. Can't get over that penalty decision. Ref bottled it.
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Like MON never left. Clueless.
You really are infatuated with MON arnt you...........
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Houllier. So, so stubborn. What is the obsession with wingers coming inside. Bent did nothing, but I am adamant, that this is because the wingers are not supplying crosses for him to attack. Really pissed off.
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Like MON never left. Clueless.
what are you on about you tard? I thought MON had taken the club as far as he could but we were never this frankly disgustingly poor under him.
We werent even this spiritless under DOL's worst season
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Not bad first half, rubbish in the second. The only positive is that after the sending off the defence held strong.
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Ah ...f... ....the negatives
We should have won this one. Had (yet again) luck against us. Played really good football. Makoun is brilliant in his vision.
BUT most of all, I saw Ashley Old. Brilliant player, and should have had a penalty at the end to finish this nightmare.
I think people are already preparing for him to leave, and hence not giving him any credit when due.
Downing great - should have scored.
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What an absolutely disgraceful performance, not least by Young, wearing the captain's armband. I hope that we unload this childish, over-rated, petulant, cheating player as soon as the next transfer period opens. I am ashamed to support a team that considers him worth a pay-packet of any denomination. let alone what Villa are paying him.
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quality from delfouneso and banan against blackburn yet never seen since.?
No Albrighton?
I cannot remember a single crossfrom the biline.
Every single set peace we float one in or sky one 2 one of our centre halfs at the far side.
Bent is very annoying.
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Dreadful stuff.
Not one player got above 4/10 today, even Gabby's goal was lucky !
Blose above us with 2 games in hand - says a lot that does.
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What is the obsession with wingers coming inside.
I'm getting fucked off with that.
Not enough crosses from the bye line.
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Webb may have been more inclined to give a penalty if Ash hadn't dived earlier and spent the rest of the time moaning. Petulant pratt especially in second half
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Too depressed to say anything other than one word- dreadful!
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Like MON never left. Clueless.
You really are infatuated with MON arnt you...........
No, I just hate shit football.
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First half - good going forward, looked threatening without the final ball. Very poor at the back. Pretty much like most of the season so far.
Second half - shit going forward, shit in the middle, and shit at the back.
Anyone who thought (or thinks) we are out of the relegation scrap is living in cloud cuckoo land. I also don't believe there are necessarily three teams worse than us.
West Ham came back from 3 down at Albion. Wigan came back to draw at Anfield. That takes spirit. For every Man City at home, or Chelsea away, where we show some spirit, there are five matches when we are utterly, utterly spineless.
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What an absolutely disgraceful performance, not least by Young, wearing the captain's armband. I hope that we unload this childish, over-rated, petulant, cheating player as soon as the next transfer period opens. I am ashamed to support a team that considers him worth a pay-packet of any denomination. let alone what Villa are paying him.
Bollocks, still one of our best players but needs to be played purely on the wing.
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Well...Randy's going to have to make a decision soon....I reckon GH has got till the end of the month to put some distance between us and the bottom 3. I don't think the money spent in Jan was Randy's way of backing GH. I think it was Randy's way of backing Aston Villa.
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3 points off 18th, 3 points off 8th. Crazy
What do you win for 8th ?
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Barclays Premier League table
Team P GD PTS
8 Bolton 26 -1 33
9 Stoke 26 -2 33
10 Newcastle 26 2 32
11 Blackburn 27 -8 32
12 Fulham 26 0 30
13 Everton 25 -1 30
14 Birmingham 25 -8 30
15 Aston Villa 27 -15 30
16 Blackpool 26 -11 29
17 West Brom 26 -17 27
18 Wigan 27 -18 27
19 West Ham 27 -18 25
20 Wolves 26 -19 24
We are really making this hard for ourselves right now. That goal difference isn't helping either.
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Should have won game by half time, 2nd half poor, People knock Downing but the real clueless fucker out there was Young, Stop diving stop whinging and fucking get on with it you twat.
Heskey was on the floor or offside totally fucking hopeless.
Saying that im happy with a point after going down to ten men
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Utter crap second half. I am sick of seeing Young wasting set pieces how many chances does he need to get a decent ball in and what is the point of him playing in the centre he creates nothing.
I'm really pissed off watching that.
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I'm a bit concerned by Clark at left back, he was desperately poor today.
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What an absolutely disgraceful performance, not least by Young, wearing the captain's armband. I hope that we unload this childish, over-rated, petulant, cheating player as soon as the next transfer period opens. I am ashamed to support a team that considers him worth a pay-packet of any denomination. let alone what Villa are paying him.
Bollocks, still one of our best players but needs to be played purely on the wing.
Cobblers.
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What an absolutely disgraceful performance, not least by Young, wearing the captain's armband. I hope that we unload this childish, over-rated, petulant, cheating player as soon as the next transfer period opens. I am ashamed to support a team that considers him worth a pay-packet of any denomination. let alone what Villa are paying him.
Bollocks, still one of our best players but needs to be played purely on the wing.
He's definitely one of our best players.
If only he'd cut out
1. The petulance.
2. The hitting the deck at every opportunity
3. The fannying around with the ball when he should be getting it into the box.
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Being angry at our lack of positive decisions from refs this season - Fuck off all you complaining bastards
Next line= Sorry for the last line
3rd line :) = I am just so f...... passionate about Villa...
But today - we played good going forward. it was not the worst "defeat" (many expected 3 points) this season. If we played like this today in first half of season, we would be close to top 4
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What in the name of blue fuck was that.... A dire and clueless at times second half performance. Not a happy camper.
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Well...Randy's going to have to make a decision soon....I reckon GH has got till the end of the month to put some distance between us and the bottom 3. I don't think the money spent in Jan was Randy's way of backing GH. I think it was Randy's way of backing Aston Villa.
No chance
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Like MON never left. Clueless.
Do results mean absolutely nothing to people on this site?
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GT MKII season is exactly like this one. We won two on the bounce in the Christmas period but were awful for the rest of the season and had to rely on Kevin Kyle missing a sitter and Marcus Allback keeping us up. This is going to go the same way.
It is and has been a truly atrocious season.
What exactly does this manager want from the team I will never know. Don't want to call for his head but what is he trying to achieve? That performance was horrendous, he is in charge of that. Wait for the 'I'm pleased with effort and the character' bollocks we should beat teams like that, no excuses. We have to go to West Brom and West Ham, any body see us having the bottle to beat them?
Can't wait to get this season done with.
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What is the obsession with wingers coming inside.
I'm getting fucked off with that.
Not enough crosses from the bye line.
It was infuriating today like I said in my post, Bent needs service, if he has to make three separate movements away from his marker before a ball is played towards him, he isnt going to score. Although Heskey battled well when he came on, there was still no goal threat.
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To be fair, it's not Houlliers fault we couldn't convert a series of great chances. However he needs to sort the defence.
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I know GH says he isn't quite ready, but Bannan has to play. Today, again, we lacked zip and edge in the centre of the field, and he's pretty much our only player who can provide that without doing loads of stupid stuff like Ash does. As it is, we just end up with the ball on the wing, the cross into the box (invariably poor), and it's like watching infuriating MON-ball all over again.
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What an absolutely disgraceful performance, not least by Young, wearing the captain's armband. I hope that we unload this childish, over-rated, petulant, cheating player as soon as the next transfer period opens. I am ashamed to support a team that considers him worth a pay-packet of any denomination. let alone what Villa are paying him.
Bollocks, still one of our best players but needs to be played purely on the wing.
He's definitely one of our best players.
If only he'd cut out
1. The petulance.
2. The hitting the deck at every opportunity
3. The fannying around with the ball when he should be getting it into the box.
And the fucking ski-suit and inflatable lifeboat he wears under his kit.
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did we have a plan today ??
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The Young bashing reminds me of my first visit at Villa park.
"I wish I saw a Villa player score at Holte End" after Villa attacked Holte End first half.
I love Young - and his (x) (x=name all your negatives here) are actually helping the TEAM
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We had a good transfer window. Why are we still crap? Can't believe it
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To be fair, it's not Houlliers fault we couldn't convert a series of great chances. However he needs to sort the defence.
He has had five and a half months to do that
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3 points off 18th, 3 points off 8th. Crazy
What do you win for 8th ?
You win the same for coming 2nd through 20th. Which is nothing. However, it is still utterly bizarre that despite everything, and how the last two weeks have been naff, we are still 3 points off 8th. This thing is going down the wire, and the "lucky" thing for us, is we still play all of the teams around us.
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Apart from their goal which was down to atrocious marking thought we dominated them first half, nice through ball several times from Makoun, one for Bent to shoot, then the one Bent laid off for Gabby to dribble on and score.
Second half, thought Makoun was a little unlucky to be sent off, but all the games he's played he's done something similar, this time it was Webb and red card. Thought we then held on fairly easily, and with luck and another ref, might have got a penalty. Thought Young and Coker did well when Makoun went off, can't see how Bradley is better than any of our kids, but maybe time will tell. Defence under pressure coped easily enough, don't remember Friedel being bothered much when we were down to 10 men.
A poor result nevertheless, against a side on such a bad run, especially as the competition around us including Blues did ok. Time for the knife sharpeners to be brought out of the draws perhaps.
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Blackburn up next, Bolton away then Wolves.
Its gonna be horrible horrible horrible
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What an absolutely disgraceful performance, not least by Young, wearing the captain's armband. I hope that we unload this childish, over-rated, petulant, cheating player as soon as the next transfer period opens. I am ashamed to support a team that considers him worth a pay-packet of any denomination. let alone what Villa are paying him.
Bollocks, still one of our best players but needs to be played purely on the wing.
Cobblers.
Cobblers is saying that you're ashamed to support a club that has him in the team.
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hapless among the hopeless...again!
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Pathetic.
Blackpool were there for the taking. Why do we keep conceding goals shortly after we score?
I thought we were meant to be climbing the table after the great wins against City and Wigan - those were gutsy wins. We got the job done - why are we reverting back to our old ways?
Just really annoying.
We have to beat Blackburn otherwise it's going to start to get worrying again.
lol @ the Young bashing. Grow up.
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Like MON never left. Clueless.
You really are infatuated with MON arnt you...........
He is?
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Like MON never left. Clueless.
what are you on about you tard? I thought MON had taken the club as far as he could but we were never this frankly disgustingly poor under him.
We werent even this spiritless under DOL's worst season
What's a tard?
We weren't spiritless today, there was loads of effort, the problem is we were clueless with the ball and played into Blackpool's hands. The only difference between today and the majority of games under MON is we didn't sneak a lucky goal. The fact that we play like headless chickens, so bloody disjointed, no plan, despite the significant funding and talent available is unacceptable.
Still, if pub football is what turns you on, good luck to you. As I said so many times over the last few seasons, we're not as bad as we pretend to be and the responsibility falls with the manager and coaches. Today was a return to last season. It was horrible.
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Could have been very different. Can settle for the point 4 points from a possible 6 from them, it isn't a disaster.
-We were remarkably poor at the back again but going forward we looked promising.
-The final ball is crucial for Bent or he does spend the game as a passenger.
-Would like to see Young back out wide again, if that is at the expense of Gabby then so be it.
-We could've lost, we got a point playing for 30 mins with 10 men.
-Until he got sent off I thought Makoun had had a good game. Far more productive than Petrov, it's a pity he is not going to be sble to build on it due to suspension.
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I am a big fan of his normally but today....my word. If Downing had scored his one on one we would have gone on to win I reckon. Couple that with his shocking service and I lay a lot of the blame at his feet for having one of his worst days in a Villa shirt. Honourable mentions for Clark and Walker who were also useless. Must beat Blackburn now.
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Like MON never left. Clueless.
what are you on about you tard? I thought MON had taken the club as far as he could but we were never this frankly disgustingly poor under him.
We werent even this spiritless under DOL's worst season
Much more of that and you'll be going down with the Baggies.
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SHA above us with 2 games in hand. :(
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Well...Randy's going to have to make a decision soon....I reckon GH has got till the end of the month to put some distance between us and the bottom 3. I don't think the money spent in Jan was Randy's way of backing GH. I think it was Randy's way of backing Aston Villa.
Second half - shit going forward, shit in the middle, and shit at the back.
Anyone who thought (or thinks) we are out of the relegation scrap is living in cloud cuckoo land. I also don't believe there are necessarily three teams worse than us.
West Ham came back from 3 down at Albion. Wigan came back to draw at Anfield. That takes spirit. For every Man City at home, or Chelsea away, where we show some spirit, there are five matches when we are utterly, utterly spineless.
I think you are totally wrong.
there I put it nicely, which is more than the comment deserved
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Like MON never left. Clueless.
You really are infatuated with MON arnt you...........
He is?
Okay malc, don't worry. You're still the champ.
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Promising first half where quality in the last third let us down. I personally thought that the defence (goal aside) weren't that bad. There were some great last ditch blocks in a game that was very open and probably a defender's nightmare.
I thought Makoun and NRC vroke play up well and played it sensibly to the players who are supposed to be out attacking outlet. Unfortunately, they couldn't produce a ball. Bent was total crap and has been in most games TBH. There is an element of truth that all he does is score goals and offers very little else. You'd have thought that he'd be full of confidence after England and up against a defence that gives you chances but nothing.
Once Makoun saw red then the best we could hope for was a point and we can be thankful the much maligned defence stood firm. Don't remember Brad having much to do. The reason we dropped points today was down to the attack!!!
Hopefully a week off and a home game against Blackburn will see some of the shit ironed out.
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A poor result nevertheless, against a side on such a bad run, especially as the competition around us including Blues did ok. Time for the knife sharpeners to be brought out of the draws perhaps.
Cant see how that will help in any way , shape or form
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Blackburn up next, Bolton away then Wolves.
Its gonna be horrible horrible horrible
There again - win those 3, we're clear of a relegation battle, and with a cup win over Notts County it suddenly looks good! I feel better already
(Really shouldn't have had that second large gin and tonic so quickly after the game on an empty stomach)
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Like MON never left. Clueless.
Do results mean absolutely nothing to people on this site?
Would you be happy to only shag ugly slappers? Afterall, a shag is a shag, no?
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I thought Walker played well on the whole
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Well...Randy's going to have to make a decision soon....I reckon GH has got till the end of the month to put some distance between us and the bottom 3. I don't think the money spent in Jan was Randy's way of backing GH. I think it was Randy's way of backing Aston Villa.
Second half - shit going forward, shit in the middle, and shit at the back.
Anyone who thought (or thinks) we are out of the relegation scrap is living in cloud cuckoo land. I also don't believe there are necessarily three teams worse than us.
West Ham came back from 3 down at Albion. Wigan came back to draw at Anfield. That takes spirit. For every Man City at home, or Chelsea away, where we show some spirit, there are five matches when we are utterly, utterly spineless.
I think you are totally wrong.
there I put it nicely, which is more than the comment deserved
What on earth are you talking about?
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I thought we attacked very well in the first half, but defended poorly. Second half was really poor.
Oh sorry, you're not allowed to have a balanced view are you? I mean utter fucking shite, clueless gubbins, we're going down, Houllier needs to go, it's like MON never left, we're the worst team in the league, I hate football, Bent was a waste of money, Downing is the worst player to ever wear a villa shirt, I would take £8m for Young, Dunne is too fat, Friedel is too old.
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What an absolutely disgraceful performance, not least by Young, wearing the captain's armband. I hope that we unload this childish, over-rated, petulant, cheating player as soon as the next transfer period opens. I am ashamed to support a team that considers him worth a pay-packet of any denomination. let alone what Villa are paying him.
What a bloody drama queen.
If the rest of them put in the same effort and showed the same level of commitment as Ash we'd be unbeatable.
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Absolutely woeful !
I am starting to wonder with Houllier = it alwyas seems one step forward, two back.
Makoun gets minus score. He was absolutely appaling even before he got sent off.
Young is a complete and utter waste of a Villa shirt, and Marc must be wondering how the hell he is being left of the bench.
Bent - so , he was quiet - the reason for a goalscorer is he doesn't have to have great games, he just puts the winners in. As soon as he went off, you could visibly see Blackpools defence think "job done"
Alwful awful game, back in the bottom 6, 3 points off relegation having played more games.
Sorry - nowhere near good enough !
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Seen a few anti-Bradley comments, coming on in that situation isn't easy by any means. No point judging him.
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Absolutely woeful !
I am starting to wonder with Houllier = it alwyas seems one step forward, two back.
Makoun gets minus score. He was absolutely appaling even before he got sent off.
Young is a complete and utter waste of a Villa shirt, and Marc must be wondering how the hell he is being left of the bench.
Bent - so , he was quiet - the reason for a goalscorer is he doesn't have to have great games, he just puts the winners in. As soon as he went off, you could visibly see Blackpools defence think "job done"
Alwful awful game, back in the bottom 6, 3 points off relegation having played more games.
Sorry - nowhere near good enough !
I'm sorry you clearly didn't watch Makoun, prior to the sending off he was far from awful.
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So having played our way out of the brown stuff against Citeh and Wigan, we've played ourselves right back into it by failing to win in two very winnable games. Brilliant.
Once again poor marking and ball watching from the defence. It's schoolboy stuff and the main reason we are in the pooh. I have no faith in Friedel any more, Clark is no left back, and Dunne looked like he's been locked in the pie shop again and had to eat his way out.
At the other end the main failing is our final ball. Downing and Young were especially guilty today. The best crosser we have is Albrighton, and the best picker of a pass is Bannan - neither anywhere to be seen today.
And as for our dead balls, for fuck's sake how many do we have to waste before we change it? Ashley Young can fuck off for all I care, he massively underperforms far too often.
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The system that GH is deploying is very limited and he seems as stuborn as MON, same players playing the same limited football but now with "bound to concede a goa"l. Downing was shocking in the second half he gave the ball back to them at every opportunity but he will start again next week, we are in a dog fight and Downing is not a player for that. With the players at his disposal we should be doing a lot better than this.
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This team and this formation would have won today
Friedel
Walker Collins Cuellar Clark/Warnock
Albrighton NRC Makoun Downing
Bent Heskey
Players in their right positions in a formation they know how to play
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I am a big fan of his normally but today....my word. If Downing had scored his one on one we would have gone on to win I reckon. Couple that with his shocking service and I lay a lot of the blame at his feet for having one of his worst days in a Villa shirt. Honourable mentions for Clark and Walker who were also useless. Must beat Blackburn now.
But isn't the major reason for his service the fact that he is playing on the right?
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The system that GH is deploying is very limited and he seems as stuborn as MON, same players playing the same limited football but now with "bound to concede a goa"l. Downing was shocking in the second half he gave the ball back to them at every opportunity but he will start again next week, we are in a dog fight and Downing is not a player for that. With the players at his disposal we should be doing a lot better than this.
Do you do posts which don't mention Downing any more? Or is it some sort of template?
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Blackburn up next, Bolton away then Wolves.
Its gonna be horrible horrible horrible
Exactly !
Two weeks ago we were relishing all these games coming up....Fulham, Blackpool etc.........
Now we just look vunerable and unable to beat whoever we play....and we are being pulled back down into the shit.
It IS going to be horrible,horrible,horrible.
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Message to GH - you are allowed to sign a defensive coach outside the transfer window. It might be an idea to do so.
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Second half - shit going forward, shit in the middle, and shit at the back.
No they were not. Considering how many Blackpool score 1-1 was a good result especially as Friedel wasn't called on to do much, second half and, you may have missed it, Makoun was sent off early on. But for Youngs and Webbs antics we might even have snatched a winner, even with 10 men.
Good news is Houllier won't be able to use Makoun for 3 games.
Nice to see the others making a fight of it, another couple of wins and who knows we might be in the top 10,and with Blackburn and Wolves to come at home and Bolton away who knows
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Sorry, are we now dreading Blackburn and Bolton? Geez, I know we didn't play well today, but grow some balls, people!
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The system that GH is deploying is very limited and he seems as stuborn as MON, same players playing the same limited football but now with "bound to concede a goa"l. Downing was shocking in the second half he gave the ball back to them at every opportunity but he will start again next week, we are in a dog fight and Downing is not a player for that. With the players at his disposal we should be doing a lot better than this.
Do you do posts which don't mention Downing any more? Or is it some sort of template?
cant resist mate,
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Time for the knife sharpeners to be brought out of the draws perhaps.
Anyone who harbours large uncomfortable kitchen implements in their undercrackers is bound to be prone to wild outbursts now and again.
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Rubbish.
Can't keep a clean sheet. Don't make the most of any purple patch we have in the game. Our season in microcosm.
We won't go down this season (I hope) but I'm seeing increasingly less reason to keep this GH experiment going beyond the summer. He's had his fair share of issues to contend with, it's true. But any manager worth his salt would at least have got some organisation and stability at the back by this point.
1-11 the current Liverpool team isn't particularly better than us. It just shows you what a bit of confidence and a half decent manager can do for a side.
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This team and this formation would have won today
Friedel
Walker Collins Cuellar Clark/Warnock
Albrighton NRC Makoun Downing
Bent Heskey
Players in their right positions in a formation they know how to play
Out of interest how many Prem titles, European Cups, and so on, have you won?
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Like MON never left. Clueless.
Do results mean absolutely nothing to people on this site?
Would you be happy to only shag ugly slappers? Afterall, a shag is a shag, no?
Well according to you it wouldn't matter what she looked like, as long as you shagged her in style.
We played the football equivalent of an ugly slapper today, and we didn't shag them. Under MON we could shag anybody.
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Blackpool ended a run of five straight Premier League defeats with a deserved draw at home to Aston Villa. (BBC)
Not to Newcastle, not to Citeh, not to the Blues, oh no, to us. Fucking ruins my weekend for at least an hour.
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Rubbish.
Can't keep a clean sheet. Don't make the most of any purple patch we have in the game. Our season in microcosm.
We won't go down this season (I hope) but I'm seeing increasingly less reason to keep this GH experiment going beyond the summer. He's had his fair share of issues to contend with, it's true. But any manager worth his salt would at least have got some organisation and stability at the back by this point.
1-11 the current Liverpool team isn't particularly better than us. It just shows you what a bit of confidence and a half decent manager can do for a side.
Yes like drawing at home against WIGAN.
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Second half - shit going forward, shit in the middle, and shit at the back.
No they were not. Considering how many Blackpool score 1-1 was a good result especially as Friedel wasn't called on to do much, second half and, you may have missed it, Makoun was sent off early on. But for Youngs and Webbs antics we might even have snatched a winner, even with 10 men.
Good news is Houllier won't be able to use Makoun for 3 games.
Nice to see the others making a fight of it, another couple of wins and who knows we might be in the top 10,and with Blackburn and Wolves to come at home and Bolton away who knows
Makoun was sent off with 15 minutes left, hardly early on.
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I thought Collins was meant to be dropped today?
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This team and this formation would have won today
Friedel
Walker Collins Cuellar Clark/Warnock
Albrighton NRC Makoun Downing
Bent Heskey
Players in their right positions in a formation they know how to play
Out of interest how many Prem titles, European Cups, and so on, have you won?
lol.........loads on football manager
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Ok first half, piss poor second half.
9 games coming up that we need 14 points from, if we can't do that from the teams we are playing we can't complain if we do end up in the bottom 3.
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This team and this formation would have won today
Friedel
Walker Collins Cuellar Clark/Warnock
Albrighton NRC Makoun Downing
Bent Heskey
Players in their right positions in a formation they know how to play
No Young? No Gabby? No clue!
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I thought Collins was meant to be dropped today?
He was "rested" but had to come on when Carlos went off injured
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I thought Collins was meant to be dropped today?
He was - only came on when Cuellar went off injured (out for 3 weeks now apparently).
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Like MON never left. Clueless.
Do results mean absolutely nothing to people on this site?
Would you be happy to only shag ugly slappers? Afterall, a shag is a shag, no?
Well according to you it wouldn't matter what she looked like, as long as you shagged her in style.
We played the football equivalent of an ugly slapper today, and we didn't shag them. Under MON we could shag anybody.
However, we were also prone to a fair bit of foreplay, followed by erectile disfunction, and ultimate dissatisfaction.
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Sorry, are we now dreading Blackburn and Bolton? Geez, I know we didn't play well today, but grow some balls, people!
We normally beat Blackburn at home but I still don't like those sort of long ball scraps especially when were trying to pull away from relegation. Bolton away will be hard as it always is and a local derby. Not the kind of games to enjoy is all im saying.
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This team and this formation would have won today
Friedel
Walker Collins Cuellar Clark/Warnock
Albrighton NRC Makoun Downing
Bent Heskey
Players in their right positions in a formation they know how to play
No Young? No Gabby? No clue!
Look at the league table....thats where Gabby and Young have got us.....(Gabby has been injured)
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Like MON never left. Clueless.
what are you on about you tard? I thought MON had taken the club as far as he could but we were never this frankly disgustingly poor under him.
We werent even this spiritless under DOL's worst season
He was not a Tard!"!!
;) just a turd ??
(sorry - for mixing and trying to make a smile in these shit times - especially for you Paulie - who I would love to meet for the Blackburn game )
Much more of that and you'll be going down with the Baggies.
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This team and this formation would have won today
Friedel
Walker Collins Cuellar Clark/Warnock
Albrighton NRC Makoun Downing
Bent Heskey
Players in their right positions in a formation they know how to play
No Young? No Gabby? No clue!
Look at the league table....thats where Gabby and Young have got us.....(Gabby has been injured)
So, you're saying that Gabby and Young are the reason we're at the bottom reaches of the table, then you say Gabby has been injured. So, he's one of the two players you mention as to blame, despite being injured?
And you've also listed a team which would have won the match today, which excludes the player who scored our goal today.
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get Downing on the left and Ash on the Right
& Gabby & DB up top
i dont need £3m a year or 60k a week to tell you that
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Absolutely woeful !
I am starting to wonder with Houllier = it alwyas seems one step forward, two back.
Makoun gets minus score. He was absolutely appaling even before he got sent off.
Young is a complete and utter waste of a Villa shirt, and Marc must be wondering how the hell he is being left of the bench.
Bent - so , he was quiet - the reason for a goalscorer is he doesn't have to have great games, he just puts the winners in. As soon as he went off, you could visibly see Blackpools defence think "job done"
Alwful awful game, back in the bottom 6, 3 points off relegation having played more games.
Sorry - nowhere near good enough !
sorry Mods!
But how the fuck did you see that? Totally out of order...
I mean - IF the players read shit like this (sorry again) how would they ever be inspired to do better???
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Second half - shit going forward, shit in the middle, and shit at the back.
No they were not. Considering how many Blackpool score 1-1 was a good result especially as Friedel wasn't called on to do much, second half and, you may have missed it, Makoun was sent off early on. But for Youngs and Webbs antics we might even have snatched a winner, even with 10 men.
Good news is Houllier won't be able to use Makoun for 3 games.
Nice to see the others making a fight of it, another couple of wins and who knows we might be in the top 10,and with Blackburn and Wolves to come at home and Bolton away who knows
Makoun was sent off with 15 minutes left, hardly early on.
Sorry in the game I was watching he went off in the 69th minute, which is early in the second half.
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Not good enough without a doubt, but not terrible. A good first half, failure to take chances. A piss poor second half and glad to take a draw.
As for Ashley. Fuck off to Arsenal if you want to play the wounded party all the time. What a player he could be.
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Second half - shit going forward, shit in the middle, and shit at the back.
No they were not. Considering how many Blackpool score 1-1 was a good result especially as Friedel wasn't called on to do much, second half and, you may have missed it, Makoun was sent off early on. But for Youngs and Webbs antics we might even have snatched a winner, even with 10 men.
Good news is Houllier won't be able to use Makoun for 3 games.
Nice to see the others making a fight of it, another couple of wins and who knows we might be in the top 10,and with Blackburn and Wolves to come at home and Bolton away who knows
Makoun was sent off with 15 minutes left, hardly early on.
Sorry in the game I was watching he went off in the 69th minute, which is early in the second half.
Well, strictly speaking, even by your own clock, it's not even in the first half of the second half.
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Sorry, are we now dreading Blackburn and Bolton? Geez, I know we didn't play well today, but grow some balls, people!
We normally beat Blackburn at home but I still don't like those sort of long ball scraps especially when were trying to pull away from relegation. Bolton away will be hard as it always is and a local derby. Not the kind of games to enjoy is all im saying.
Oh I doubt it will be a bundle of laughs, but it's nothing to be dreaded. Wolves might be tough, but we should get at least four points from the other two games.
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Makoun gets minus score. He was absolutely appaling even before he got sent off.
Young is a complete and utter waste of a Villa shirt, and Marc must be wondering how the hell he is being left of the bench.
Bent - so , he was quiet - the reason for a goalscorer is he doesn't have to have great games, he just puts the winners in. As soon as he went off, you could visibly see Blackpools defence think "job done"
Alwful awful game, back in the bottom 6, 3 points off relegation having played more games.
Sorry - nowhere near good enough !
I'm sorry you clearly didn't watch Makoun, prior to the sending off he was far from awful.
You watched the same stream as me Paul - Makoun was playing really well and is going to be a top player for us, hopefully Barry B gets a run out in his absence.
I thought we did well with ten men and could have won it at the end - as for Youngy just cut the crap out and play to the whistle.
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Message to GH - you are allowed to sign a defensive coach outside the transfer window. It might be an idea to do so.
A very good idea. Then all we'd need is a goalkeeping coach, a winger coach, a midfield coach, a striker coach and a motivational speaker and we'd be sorted. And probably a new fitness coach.
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Like MON never left. Clueless.
Do results mean absolutely nothing to people on this site?
Would you be happy to only shag ugly slappers? Afterall, a shag is a shag, no?
Well according to you it wouldn't matter what she looked like, as long as you shagged her in style.
We played the football equivalent of an ugly slapper today, and we didn't shag them. Under MON we could shag anybody.
Anybody ugly. It appears standards have dropped in the last few years.
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I thought Collins was meant to be dropped today?
He was "rested" but had to come on when Carlos went off injured
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
We've got lots of game left against teams around us, we need to start take maximum points of 'poor' teams. We can't afford to be drawing against poor teams. You look at this teams on paper and you think 'win' - so differently in reality. Everyone else can beat these teams, so why aren't we?
P.S. Why is Gabby still playing on the left? Get Young and Albrighton back on the wings plz. Come on Houllier I thought we were getting better?
P.P.S Makoun was good today from what I saw. Going to be a big loss to our midfield...
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Thought Dunne and Reo Coker had very good games today. That is where the positives end.
Not that it makes much difference but Emile Heskey should never play for the club again really. What an awful footballer he is. if we are bringing on a sub up front it should be the Fonz not that lumbering diving fool. The Clark left back experiment needs to end aswell, Warnock will be looking for a move in the summer we might get a few decent games from him. Ashley Young as captain gave a Stephen ireland esque performance today. What has happened him - 18 months ago he whizzed in all set pieces now he clips them rugby style in, he doesnt fancy taking on players anymore - we are beneath him it seems. I really liked him as a player, thought he was the best English wide man since John Barnes and the best player at the club in donkeys years, Just horrible to see the player he has turned out to be - petulant, cheating, self obsessed coward with a flash of quality thrown in every now and again to remind himself that he is better than this relegation dogfight. Pity we have no leader at the club to take him to one side and let him know a few home truths.
After failing to beat two utterly awful sides in Fulham and Blackpool we cant be confident of picking up three points anywhere.
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Like MON never left. Clueless.
Do results mean absolutely nothing to people on this site?
Would you be happy to only shag ugly slappers? Afterall, a shag is a shag, no?
At the moment I'd do anything. Which as it happens is a perfect metaphor for our team as things stand.
Of course as I said yesterday you can only keep shagging ugly slappers for ever so long. I personally think you should build your confidence with a few 'mingers' before moving in on a few 8 or 9 out of tens as someone recently and memorably said. At the moment we are in a taxi alone having a wank on the way home.
I was sick of three years of turgid football and a team that wasn't making the step forward it needed too. It was repetitive and crap under MoN. The same stuff happened over and over again. The narrow At the moment I'd quite like some turgid if successful football (though I would prefer some good stuff) but at the moment any wins will do.
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With makoun now out for 3 matches, i can see no reason for not bringing bannan back into the side, to give us some craft in midfield, we have nrc, bradley etc to break up play but we need to be more creative and bannan brings that.
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This team and this formation would have won today
Friedel
Walker Collins Cuellar Clark/Warnock
Albrighton NRC Makoun Downing
Bent Heskey
Players in their right positions in a formation they know how to play
No Young? No Gabby? No clue!
Look at the league table....thats where Gabby and Young have got us.....(Gabby has been injured)
So, you're saying that Gabby and Young are the reason we're at the bottom reaches of the table, then you say Gabby has been injured. So, he's one of the two players you mention as to blame, despite being injured?
And you've also listed a team which would have won the match today, which excludes the player who scored our goal today.
The same players did play today but not in the same positions as I have them and as for Gabby you could easily swop him for Emule in my team, my views on Young are that he is more concerned about diving, moaning at ref's and keeping warm (ie gloves,scarf,snood,etc) than playing but thats just what I think
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Like MON never left. Clueless.
Do results mean absolutely nothing to people on this site?
Would you be happy to only shag ugly slappers? Afterall, a shag is a shag, no?
Well according to you it wouldn't matter what she looked like, as long as you shagged her in style.
We played the football equivalent of an ugly slapper today, and we didn't shag them. Under MON we could shag anybody.
However, we were also prone to a fair bit of foreplay, followed by erectile disfunction, and ultimate dissatisfaction.
My original point was about the importance (or lack of it to some), of results. It might have been like MON never left, until you look at the table, our points total, and our goal difference.
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Absolutely woeful !
I am starting to wonder with Houllier = it alwyas seems one step forward, two back.
Makoun gets minus score. He was absolutely appaling even before he got sent off.
Young is a complete and utter waste of a Villa shirt, and Marc must be wondering how the hell he is being left of the bench.
Bent - so , he was quiet - the reason for a goalscorer is he doesn't have to have great games, he just puts the winners in. As soon as he went off, you could visibly see Blackpools defence think "job done"
Alwful awful game, back in the bottom 6, 3 points off relegation having played more games.
Sorry - nowhere near good enough !
sorry Mods!
But how the fuck did you see that? Totally out of order...
I mean - IF the players read shit like this (sorry again) how would they ever be inspired to do better???
i agree you were watching a different match to meeddie!
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With makoun now out for 3 matches, i can see no reason for not bringing bannan back into the side, to give us some craft in midfield, we have nrc, bradley etc to break up play but we need to be more creative and bannan brings that.
He will bring his mate Pirez in
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Like MON never left. Clueless.
Do results mean absolutely nothing to people on this site?
Would you be happy to only shag ugly slappers? Afterall, a shag is a shag, no?
Well according to you it wouldn't matter what she looked like, as long as you shagged her in style.
We played the football equivalent of an ugly slapper today, and we didn't shag them. Under MON we could shag anybody.
However, we were also prone to a fair bit of foreplay, followed by erectile disfunction, and ultimate dissatisfaction.
My original point was about the importance (or lack of it to some), of results. It might have been like MON never left, until you look at the table, our points total, and our goal difference.
martin has gone, forget that twat!
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Sorry but ive seen zero from Makoun so far to suggest he is the CM player to take us forward
Hope he's fined 2 weeks wages for the 2 footer today, 3 game ban, abysmal
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Rubbish.
Can't keep a clean sheet. Don't make the most of any purple patch we have in the game. Our season in microcosm.
We won't go down this season (I hope) but I'm seeing increasingly less reason to keep this GH experiment going beyond the summer. He's had his fair share of issues to contend with, it's true. But any manager worth his salt would at least have got some organisation and stability at the back by this point.
1-11 the current Liverpool team isn't particularly better than us. It just shows you what a bit of confidence and a half decent manager can do for a side.
Yes like drawing at home against WIGAN.
I take it you missed the four wins on the bounce before that, and the fact that they've gone from looking like an outside bet for relegation to an outside bet for 4th.
We've consoled ourselves all season that we're only x amount of points away from 6th, then 8th and probably soon enough 10th-12th. So the expectation keeps on coming down but the one thing that seems to still be overlooked is that to make any sort of progress up the table this year we'll need to put a run of wins together at some stage.
We just don't look capable of that.
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Ashley Young, fuck him off. He's shit and a jumped up little tosser to boot.
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Like MON never left. Clueless.
Do results mean absolutely nothing to people on this site?
Would you be happy to only shag ugly slappers? Afterall, a shag is a shag, no?
Well according to you it wouldn't matter what she looked like, as long as you shagged her in style.
We played the football equivalent of an ugly slapper today, and we didn't shag them. Under MON we could shag anybody.
Anybody ugly. It appears standards have dropped in the last few years.
No, anybody. Like Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool on their own patch.
Anyway, I think we've established you don't care about resultsover style.
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Sorry but ive seen zero from Makoun so far to suggest he is the CM player to take us forward
Hope he's fined 2 weeks wages for the 2 footer today, 3 game ban, abysmal
You clearly haven't watched him then.
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Sorry but ive seen zero from Makoun so far to suggest he is the CM player to take us forward
Hope he's fined 2 weeks wages for the 2 footer today, 3 game ban, abysmal
Fined 2 weeks wages? What a pathetic thing to say
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WTF is with not playing Albrighton??
At least he gets the ball in the box and is tricky to boot. Houllier needs to wake the f**k up!
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I cheered so fucking loudly for 1:05am when Gabby scored... and thought we might do something about our goal difference. I really shouldn't of gotten my hopes up.
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Ashley Young, fuck him off. He's shit and a jumped up little tosser to boot.
Did you watch todays game? Did you watch when he was captain?
He changed for the best....
This is Villa fans...askeing for stars...but when stars are kicked down, we call them fragile (wankers) ,
best player I have seen supporting Villa is Young.....
Yes he has his faults, but as a FOOTBALLER he is the best, even better than Yorke....And (i am not a fan of him, but Downing is getting there) who is a better FOOTBALLER than Young? Makoun is a new "like him" guy at the moment...fantastic football brain, just like Barry had...
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Sorry but ive seen zero from Makoun so far to suggest he is the CM player to take us forward
Hope he's fined 2 weeks wages for the 2 footer today, 3 game ban, abysmal
For me quite the opposite, great quick passing, makes himself available and made some decent runs today, unlucky to get a red.
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Makoun was having a fine game until he thought he was playing for Cameroon in 1990. Just goes to show how people see the game from a different angle.
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Having a few beers (and better) - i would like to apologize to the mods (and hope to meet them soon)
For fucks sake!!!!!!!!!!!! How can you think Ash's performance was bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I thought Makoun had a decent first half. His tackle and pass that lead to Gabby's goal was a great piece of skill and awareness. A draw away from home when we're down to ten men? I'll take that. There's nowt wrong with our character.
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Despite all the revisionism, we're were never in trouble under MON.
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Like MON never left. Clueless.
Do results mean absolutely nothing to people on this site?
Would you be happy to only shag ugly slappers? Afterall, a shag is a shag, no?
Well according to you it wouldn't matter what she looked like, as long as you shagged her in style.
We played the football equivalent of an ugly slapper today, and we didn't shag them. Under MON we could shag anybody.
However, we were also prone to a fair bit of foreplay, followed by erectile disfunction, and ultimate dissatisfaction.
My original point was about the importance (or lack of it to some), of results. It might have been like MON never left, until you look at the table, our points total, and our goal difference.
I'm sure even (I'm not going to say the Blessed Martin) MON would have struggled with the mess and injuries we've had this year. The point is, despite having all our players back, a few new signings, we still look cheap. We should be able to turn over teams like Blackpool, despite their great effort, you would hope that the difference in class would show. We put the effort in but are clueless when we have the ball.
Remember the last few seasons where everything went through Ashley, now it appears everything goes through Downing. How frustrating is it to see Ashley play in the hole for England with such freedom and vision, then turn up for Villa and be unable to reproduce that form. We have so much talent in the squad, it's a crying shame to see it so wasted. Something has to change.
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Now I go start the Ashley fan club....And we want good players for our club? for fucks sake, when there is one, we alienate him
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I thought Makoun had a decent first half. His tackle and pass that lead to Gabby's goal was a great piece of skill and awareness. A draw away from home when we're down to ten men? I'll take that. There's nowt wrong with our character.
Blimey a balanced view, what you doing on here?
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Edvard, agree i thought his link up play was excellent, he got carried away at the end because the ref was giving everything against us, the replay showed it was a pen aswell
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I really think Bannan and Albrighton should be used a lot more than they have been.
Both can give us something we lack. Bannan the 'sidness' in central midfield and Albrighton the directness we lack out wide. Our lack of directness was glaring today.
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Now I go start the Ashley fan club....And we want good players for our club? for fucks sake, when there is one, we alienate him
Why hasnt he signed a new contract then...........
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Despite all the revisionism, we're were never in trouble under MON.
Do you not remember our worst ever run under mon? We were fucking shocking. If we hadn't have had all those points on the table we'd have been right in the shit
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I really think Bannan and Albrighton should be used a lot more than they have been.
Both can give us something we lack. Bannan the 'sidness' in central midfield and Albrighton the directness we lack out wide. Our lack of directness was glaring today.
Thanks :) because I thought I was the only one
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So have we now got two weeks off seeing as we're not playing next week for some reason?
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Despite all the revisionism, we're were never in trouble under MON.
Do you not remember our worst ever run under mon? We were fucking shocking. If we hadn't have had all those points on the table we'd have been right in the shit
And if my aunt had bollocks she'd be my uncle.
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Message to GH - you are allowed to sign a defensive coach outside the transfer window. It might be an idea to do so.
A very good idea. Then all we'd need is a goalkeeping coach, a winger coach, a midfield coach, a striker coach and a motivational speaker and we'd be sorted. And probably a new fitness coach.
Possibly but the basic errors at the back, especially gifting free headers and goals at set pieces, have cost us a lot of points. Both Fulham games, Blackburn away, Sunderland away, and today just off the top off my head. There's up to 8 possible extra points if we could just defend set pieces. I think it would be a good place to start.
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Ashley Young, fuck him off. He's shit and a jumped up little tosser to boot.
Did you watch todays game? Did you watch when he was captain?
He changed for the best....
This is Villa fans...askeing for stars...but when stars are kicked down, we call them fragile (wankers) ,
best player I have seen supporting Villa is Young.....
Yes he has his faults, but as a FOOTBALLER he is the best, even better than Yorke....And (i am not a fan of him, but Downing is getting there) who is a better FOOTBALLER than Young? Makoun is a new "like him" guy at the moment...fantastic football brain, just like Barry had...
You should have gone to Specsavers fella, he's crap and has been for a while. He spends all game moaning and whinging and diving and he's a jumped up little tosser.
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Edvard, agree i thought his link up play was excellent, he got carried away at the end because the ref was giving everything against us, the replay showed it was a pen aswell
:) let us try to make him wanted!!!
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So have we now got two weeks off seeing as we're not playing next week for some reason?
The reason is probably that we've played more games than anyone else.
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Ashley Young, fuck him off. He's shit and a jumped up little tosser to boot.
Did you watch todays game? Did you watch when he was captain?
He changed for the best....
This is Villa fans...askeing for stars...but when stars are kicked down, we call them fragile (wankers) ,
best player I have seen supporting Villa is Young.....
Yes he has his faults, but as a FOOTBALLER he is the best, even better than Yorke....And (i am not a fan of him, but Downing is getting there) who is a better FOOTBALLER than Young? Makoun is a new "like him" guy at the moment...fantastic football brain, just like Barry had...
You should have gone to Specsavers fella, he's crap and has been for a while. He spends all game moaning and whinging and diving and he's a jumped up little tosser.
Restraining what I want to say .- but what the fuck game did you watch?
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A couple of weeks ago I read Michael Owen's autobiography to get some idea of his opinion of M. Houllier. Broadly speaking Owen thought Houllier good at managing a football club but not so good at managing a football team. He thought him unable to change the course of a game through a tactical switch or an astute substitution.
I make it 5 wins in 23 matches under Houllier - Wolves, Blackpool, West Brom. Man City and Wigan. Hardly inspiring stuff is it?
I only watched the game on a feed but either the system doesn't suit the players or they don't or won't understand it.
I don't think we'll go down but I don't think we'll be discussing whether or not to play the reserve players in the Europa Cup either.
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Despite all the revisionism, we're were never in trouble under MON.
Do you not remember our worst ever run under mon? We were fucking shocking. If we hadn't have had all those points on the table we'd have been right in the shit
And if my aunt had bollocks she'd be my uncle.
Just find it funny how these things are so quickly forgotten
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Ashley Young, fuck him off. He's shit and a jumped up little tosser to boot.
Did you watch todays game? Did you watch when he was captain?
He changed for the best....
This is Villa fans...askeing for stars...but when stars are kicked down, we call them fragile (wankers) ,
best player I have seen supporting Villa is Young.....
Yes he has his faults, but as a FOOTBALLER he is the best, even better than Yorke....And (i am not a fan of him, but Downing is getting there) who is a better FOOTBALLER than Young? Makoun is a new "like him" guy at the moment...fantastic football brain, just like Barry had...
You should have gone to Specsavers fella, he's crap and has been for a while. He spends all game moaning and whinging and diving and he's a jumped up little tosser.
Restraining what I want to say .- but what the fuck game did you watch?
If you were there - then - Sorry ...but If you watched game feed/tv - THEN you are way off
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Despite all the revisionism, we're were never in trouble under MON.
Do you not remember our worst ever run under mon? We were fucking shocking. If we hadn't have had all those points on the table we'd have been right in the shit
And if my aunt had bollocks she'd be my uncle.
Just find it funny how these things are so quickly forgotten
I've not forgotten some of the shit that happened under MON. It does seem that some on here have forgotten the good things.
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Anyway, I think we've established you don't care about resultsover style.
Now you're just being silly. I'm just extremely frustrated and tired of poor football year after year. I would have hoped by now considering the investment and squad, we'd be seeing us getting results with a bit of style.
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Despite all the revisionism, we're were never in trouble under MON.
Do you not remember our worst ever run under mon? We were fucking shocking. If we hadn't have had all those points on the table we'd have been right in the shit
And if my aunt had bollocks she'd be my uncle.
Just find it funny how these things are so quickly forgotten
I've not forgotten some of the shit that happened under MON. It does seem that some on here have forgotten the good things.
There were good things but they quickly faded.
I'm prepared to give GH benefit of the doubt, I don't think we'll see the best from the team till next season
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Ashley Young, fuck him off. He's shit and a jumped up little tosser to boot.
Did you watch todays game? Did you watch when he was captain?
He changed for the best....
This is Villa fans...askeing for stars...but when stars are kicked down, we call them fragile (wankers) ,
best player I have seen supporting Villa is Young.....
Yes he has his faults, but as a FOOTBALLER he is the best, even better than Yorke....And (i am not a fan of him, but Downing is getting there) who is a better FOOTBALLER than Young? Makoun is a new "like him" guy at the moment...fantastic football brain, just like Barry had...
You should have gone to Specsavers fella, he's crap and has been for a while. He spends all game moaning and whinging and diving and he's a jumped up little tosser.
Restraining what I want to say .- but what the fuck game did you watch?
If you were there - then - Sorry ...but If you watched game feed/tv - THEN you are way off
In your opinion........if you look at the match/this thread you are in the minority who thinks he had a good game
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I really think Bannan and Albrighton should be used a lot more than they have been.
Looking back on the season so far, it's been the kids that have done us proud, rather than the senior players.
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Despite all the revisionism, we're were never in trouble under MON.
Do you not remember our worst ever run under mon? We were fucking shocking. If we hadn't have had all those points on the table we'd have been right in the shit
And if my aunt had bollocks she'd be my uncle.
Just find it funny how these things are so quickly forgotten
I've not forgotten some of the shit that happened under MON. It does seem that some on here have forgotten the good things.
There were good things but they quickly faded.
I'm prepared to give GH benefit of the doubt, I don't think we'll see the best from the team till next season
....but we were never in trouble which was my original point.
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Ashley Young, fuck him off. He's shit and a jumped up little tosser to boot.
Did you watch todays game? Did you watch when he was captain?
He changed for the best....
This is Villa fans...askeing for stars...but when stars are kicked down, we call them fragile (wankers) ,
best player I have seen supporting Villa is Young.....
Yes he has his faults, but as a FOOTBALLER he is the best, even better than Yorke....And (i am not a fan of him, but Downing is getting there) who is a better FOOTBALLER than Young? Makoun is a new "like him" guy at the moment...fantastic football brain, just like Barry had...
You should have gone to Specsavers fella, he's crap and has been for a while. He spends all game moaning and whinging and diving and he's a jumped up little tosser.
Restraining what I want to say .- but what the fuck game did you watch?
If you were there - then - Sorry ...but If you watched game feed/tv - THEN you are way off
In your opinion........if you look at the match/this thread you are in the minority who thinks he had a good game
Nobody had a good game.
But Young was one of the very few who actually looked like he was trying.
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In the scheme of things a point away when down to 10 men in the last 20 minutes is a decent result. The problem is that draws take you nowhere particularly given there are 3 points between about 8 sides.
I do fear we will need points from those last two games.
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what's hard to question is Ash's committment. He runs his bollocks off every game. What can be called into question is what he does with the ball in critical situations and on set pieces. He's been below par far too often this season. Today, as ever he worked very hard, but there simply wasn't the quality we all have come to expect from him.
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Young is a very capable footballer but just doesn't deliver a tenth of what he's capable of. Which is what makes him so fucking annoying. He should also be made to play in "skins" during training, then he might not need that ridiculous fucking snood thing during the games. If he'd ever come up against Chopper Harris wearing that thing he'd have been eaten alive.
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Incidentally, Charlie Adam looked superb for them.
If he had been in our midfield rather than theirs then we would have walked all over them today.
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what's hard to question is Ash's committment. He runs his bollocks off every game. What can be called into question is what he does with the ball in critical situations and on set pieces. He's been below par far too often this season. Today, as ever he worked very hard, but there simply wasn't the quality we all have come to expect from him.
He was doing ok but his petulance was embarrassing and if anything reduced the his impact. I think he's become more workmanlike this season because of the position he's being asked to play. Far less effective but his effort can't be questioned. A swap with him and Gabby would make us far more dangerous, but the manager seems determined to plough this unproductive furrow.
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Incidentally, Charlie Adam looked superb for them.
If he had been in our midfield rather than theirs then we would have walked all over them today.
he's always involved and has great control and a superb range of passing. I hope that either Delph or Bannan can turn into our own version.
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We were shit 2nd half. Thought Ashley Young yet again was all fart & no shit. He's pissing me off.
Good sub by GH at the right time.
Downing too greedy at times.
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Agreed dave, Adam was the best player on the park by a mile.
We looked ok attacking first half but 2nd half was awful, our set piece delivery from corners is so very poor and our defending of set pieces even poorer, the full backs are caught exposed too often and defensively it's really poor- how I'd like a keeper who commands his area rather just stand shouting 'away'- defensively we need a summer overhaul including a keeper.
No doubts that makoun had to be sent off and I too am tired of seeing young arguing with officials and throwing himself to the floor too easily, he doesn't need to do that.
Albrighton gets to the byline and delivers , let's get him back in the team , today bent had nothing to feed on and was wasted.
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We are not, in Premiership terms, very good.
Finish.
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Despite all the revisionism, we're were never in trouble under MON.
Do you not remember our worst ever run under mon? We were fucking shocking. If we hadn't have had all those points on the table we'd have been right in the shit
And if my aunt had bollocks she'd be my uncle.
Just find it funny how these things are so quickly forgotten
I've not forgotten some of the shit that happened under MON. It does seem that some on here have forgotten the good things.
There were good things but they quickly faded.
I'm prepared to give GH benefit of the doubt, I don't think we'll see the best from the team till next season
....but we were never in trouble which was my original point.
Despite results I don't think were in any trouble now
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what's hard to question is Ash's committment. He runs his bollocks off every game. What can be called into question is what he does with the ball in critical situations and on set pieces. He's been below par far too often this season. Today, as ever he worked very hard, but there simply wasn't the quality we all have come to expect from him.
Agreed. My problem with him is he takes on too much responsibility and he's up complicating things rather than keeping it simple. Wondeful player when on form.
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Poor defending and marking has cost us again. I dont think we will go down. I can't see Dunne and Collins being here next season...
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Not long got back.
The second half was poor, but we should have been way out of sight in the first half. They had one effort on target and it happened to be a bleeding free header.
Definite penalty at the end I thought. Four points in two games squandered against poor sides. Very frustrating, but the story of our season so far.
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Sorry but ive seen zero from Makoun so far to suggest he is the CM player to take us forward
Hope he's fined 2 weeks wages for the 2 footer today, 3 game ban, abysmal
You clearly haven't watched him then.
I was there v Fulham, he did nothing but play short square balls
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Despite all the revisionism, we're were never in trouble under MON.
Do you not remember our worst ever run under mon? We were fucking shocking. If we hadn't have had all those points on the table we'd have been right in the shit
And if my aunt had bollocks she'd be my uncle.
Just find it funny how these things are so quickly forgotten
I've not forgotten some of the shit that happened under MON. It does seem that some on here have forgotten the good things.
There were good things but they quickly faded.
I'm prepared to give GH benefit of the doubt, I don't think we'll see the best from the team till next season
....but we were never in trouble which was my original point.
Despite results I don't think were in any trouble now
I'd like to think not but relegation has a tendency to sneak up on teams who believe they are ok. I was actually happy with a point each from the last two games, I don't subscribe to the theory that Fulham are shit and big mouth must have been itching to turn us over.
We do need to get maximum points from the next home game, a limp draw will really put the pressure on, never mind a defeat.
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Another two points lost from a leading position- am I correct in thinking that's 18 now dropped from leading positions so far?
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So have we now got two weeks off seeing as we're not playing next week for some reason?
The reason is probably that we've played more games than anyone else.
It's the FA Cup next weekend and in line with the long tradition of this historic competition they're holding some 4th round replays after some teams have played their 5th round games, with other teams having to delay their 5th round games accordingly. In other words - Mancs play Notts next Sunday and we play the winner about 10 days later. Fuck knows when we'll replay if there's no winner on the day - don't know what Notts County's fixtures look like ;)
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We've clearly improved, the only game we've lost in the last 8 was away at Old Trafford. I think we've got 3 significant issues to sort out though.
1) Defending set pieces, we concede far too many.
2) We don't make the most of our periods of dominance, we score too few goals.
3) I don't think the central midfield balance has been right all season. We've got plenty of options but so far no pairing har really gelled.
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Incidentally, Charlie Adam looked superb for them.
If he had been in our midfield rather than theirs then we would have walked all over them today.
eh ? did u watch the game ?
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We've clearly improved, the only game we've lost in the last 8 was away at Old Trafford. I think we've got 3 significant issues to sort out though.
1) Defending set pieces, we concede far too many.
2) We don't make the most of our periods of dominance, we score too few goals.
3) I don't think the central midfield balance has been right all season. We've got plenty of options but so far no pairing har really gelled.
4) Don't get relegated, because that's what will happen if we don't sort it out. We have the players so what's missing?
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Anyone who attacks Ashley's effort and determination is moronic.
Take him out the team and we'd be in even more shit.
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We've clearly improved, the only game we've lost in the last 8 was away at Old Trafford. I think we've got 3 significant issues to sort out though.
1) Defending set pieces, we concede far too many.
2) We don't make the most of our periods of dominance, we score too few goals.
3) I don't think the central midfield balance has been right all season. We've got plenty of options but so far no pairing har really gelled.
A fair summary.
You could have posted that in October and it would have been accurate, and it's still accurate now in Feb.
Have you seen anything to date this season to suggest any of that will be rectified between now and the end of the campaign?
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Incidentally, Charlie Adam looked superb for them.
If he had been in our midfield rather than theirs then we would have walked all over them today.
eh ? did u watch the game ?
Pray tell me what I have said that is wrong.
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gabby should be up front with bent. Downing on left Ashley on left. It isn't rocket science Ashley was ineffective through the middle but looked his great old self when he went on wing.
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This season has been like a long journey with a flat tyre. When we get to the end it will be a bloody relief.
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We've clearly improved, the only game we've lost in the last 8 was away at Old Trafford. I think we've got 3 significant issues to sort out though.
1) Defending set pieces, we concede far too many.
2) We don't make the most of our periods of dominance, we score too few goals.
3) I don't think the central midfield balance has been right all season. We've got plenty of options but so far no pairing har really gelled.
A fair summary.
You could have posted that in October and it would have been accurate, and it's still accurate now in Feb.
Have you seen anything to date this season to suggest any of that will be rectified between now and the end of the campaign?
I'd say well summed up too.
I'm sure the centre midfield will improve and I'm sure the goals will come this season any game now but I'm also sure I don't think the defence will improve at the back until GH gets in his own players to play how he wants it played.
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We've clearly improved, the only game we've lost in the last 8 was away at Old Trafford. I think we've got 3 significant issues to sort out though.
1) Defending set pieces, we concede far too many.
2) We don't make the most of our periods of dominance, we score too few goals.
3) I don't think the central midfield balance has been right all season. We've got plenty of options but so far no pairing har really gelled.
Have you seen anything to date this season to suggest any of that will be rectified between now and the end of the campaign?
Still lots of 'winnable' games left Kevin.
There's still time to improve, how much we'll improve now till teh end is the question. If we can even manage 18 points out of a possible 33 then it'll be viewed as improvement.
Main thing is to start beating easy opposition, be well clear of the bottom 3 in April and hopefully manage to squeeze in a top 10 finish. Once this eventful season is over we can really start to plan for the summer and the next season.
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We've clearly improved, the only game we've lost in the last 8 was away at Old Trafford. I think we've got 3 significant issues to sort out though.
1) Defending set pieces, we concede far too many.
2) We don't make the most of our periods of dominance, we score too few goals.
3) I don't think the central midfield balance has been right all season. We've got plenty of options but so far no pairing har really gelled.
On the money as ever.
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Incidentally, Charlie Adam looked superb for them.
If he had been in our midfield rather than theirs then we would have walked all over them today.
eh ? did u watch the game ?
Pray tell me what I have said that is wrong.
adam did not look "superb" far from it, he looks like a Div 2 player yes we made him look good
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Kevin, I'd say there are signs or hints of better things to come but nothing to hang your hat on.
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We've clearly improved, the only game we've lost in the last 8 was away at Old Trafford. I think we've got 3 significant issues to sort out though.
1) Defending set pieces, we concede far too many.
2) We don't make the most of our periods of dominance, we score too few goals.
3) I don't think the central midfield balance has been right all season. We've got plenty of options but so far no pairing har really gelled.
We've become hard to beat again, but I think you're right about the midfield.
I know there's a lot of wailing going on from some, but honestly, we should have smashed them over the Irish Sea in the first half. We squandered far too many golden chances.
Interestingly enough, the seats are padded in the away end and we won the half-time massive plastic ball roller thingy.
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Incidentally, Charlie Adam looked superb for them.
If he had been in our midfield rather than theirs then we would have walked all over them today.
eh ? did u watch the game ?
Pray tell me what I have said that is wrong.
adam did not look "superb" far from it, he looks like a Div 2 player yes we made him look good
So he looked good but far from superb? Where along this line are you putting him then?
He played more accurate long passes than in ninety minutes than we have all season.
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negative
bent looks like he did at spurs under harry. not upto to it and they both knew it.
jean II only looks sideways and his quick feet passing is all show
villa look weak at the back unable to accommodate attacking full backs and attacking wide men.
cash in on downing and young....both crap
positive
villa have a great mix of young/reaching their peak players, many english and villa educated.
bent's the finished article 15+ prem goals per season.
downing and young (and bent) are gonna spear head our young guns.
villa look weak at the back unable to accommodate attacking full backs and attacking wide men....but thats a negative......shit...
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From my seat Adam looked pretty good - pinging balls first time 20 yds / 30yds / 40 yds at times - each time straight to feet.
I can't think of one pass like that today from our midfield
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I reckon I could score from a goal kick off that pitch.
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We are not, in Premiership terms, very good.
Finish.
Exactly.
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negative
bent looks like he did at spurs under harry. not upto to it and they both knew it.
positive
bent's the finished article 15+ prem goals
Quickest change of mind in history
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We were a couple of final balls from being out of sight at half time having completely outplayed them for the first 45. We were unrecognisable second half though. I though Makoun might have been taken off before being sent today for another 2 footed lunge, although till then the simple balls people seem to be saying are nothing special were what were allowing us to break on them at pace and speed.
Bent looked like he was tired second half, after he has had a very big week.
Overall you can see a glimpse of us improving, but the final ball is simply not good enough time and again. Adam would improve us. Reo Coker did well and should play every game until we are out of trouble. Bannan and Bradley should both start next week with him IMO.
Importantly, it is another point, away, at a very effective attacking side that we did not fold against when down to 10. 12 points for safety now I think, Blackburn are a side we beat in the cup without Bent, so know we can beat.
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Houllier has made some positive changes to the club as a whole. But the facts are we are three points off a relegation place. I know many will not agree with this but Houllier has to go. We face the very real fact of a possible relegation and we should not let two wins in a row hide many poor performances. A change will bring a boost to the club and the players at a time when it is needed.
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A good day out but a few observations : -
God, blackpool is a shithole when you are sober.
The pepsi max ride is not suitable for a 7 yr old (sorry Son)
You can tell when the team are struggling when villa fans are fighting among themselves (again)
Gabby is not - never, ever, ever will be a left winger or whatever he is supposed to be . Either play him through the middle or bin him.
Our defending of set pieces is woeful (my under 8s team are more organised on corners)
Our delivery at set pieces is woeful (Ash you DO NOT have to stand over every free kick)
£7.50 all day parking is a bloody rip off.
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We were a couple of final balls from being out of sight at half time having completely outplayed them for the first 45.
That's true, Ozz, but how many times have we said that this season?
We are going to have to start winning considerably more football matches than we have done so far this season, and quickly, too.
After a creditable performance at Man United - albeit one ending in defeat - we looked at the next two matches and fancied our chances what with this being the start of our run of "easier" fixtures. So far, we've taken 2 points from 6, against Fulham at home and Blackpool away.
Unfortunately, that isn't anything like good enough.
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Only caught the end of the first half and the whole of the second.
Dire stuff again.
Yet again we can’t cross a ball or defend. Who is responsible for coaching these basics? All this wait until GH can buy his own defence is rubbish. He inherited a solid defence so he has to take responsibility for it falling apart. Playing Young and Downing together doesn’t work. They have to be most wasteful in possession players of all time. MA deserves to start. Why is he not in the team? We are still lacking creativity in midfield so where is Bannan? As for bringing EH on!!! He fell over and stood like a fuckin pudding in offside positions. Walker did a great run and couldn’t release it because EH was clearly offside. You need to score you don’t bring EH on – basic stuff. We have other options to that utter lummock.
Players in their wrong positions – basic stuff.
This manager is not getting the basics right and points won this season reflect this. These are the
sort of basics that most unpaid amateurs can see staring them in the face. Being stubborn and unorthodox is fine when you are riding high at the top. MON never changed his style so why do we think GH will.
He has bought well but that stands for shit if you can’t make a team play. Worrying times ahead. If it goes to the wire we will go down.
The most frustrating thing is that we have a decent squad with good young players. It could be a completely different story.
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All this wailing; Tony, what is Houllier supposed to do, finish Downings one on one for him?
When you've watched the first half you'll see that we should have been 4 or 5 up. We're causing our own problems by being so wasteful.
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Highlights (http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/blackpool-aston-villa-8478697/)
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Pravda: Bloomfield Road 'cracker'(!?) (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2291882,00.html)
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All this wailing; Tony, what is Houllier supposed to do, finish Downings one on one for him?
When you've watched the first half you'll see that we should have been 4 or 5 up. We're causing our own problems by being so wasteful.
What is Houllier supposed to do? There is plently he can do as per my post.
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All this wailing; Tony, what is Houllier supposed to do, finish Downings one on one for him?
When you've watched the first half you'll see that we should have been 4 or 5 up. We're causing our own problems by being so wasteful.
What is Houllier supposed to do? There is plently he can do as per my post.
the system is not working, Downing and Ash should be competing to play left and Gabby should be played on the right or up front, try some one other than Downing or Ash to take dead ball kicks.
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All this wailing; Tony, what is Houllier supposed to do, finish Downings one on one for him?
When you've watched the first half you'll see that we should have been 4 or 5 up. We're causing our own problems by being so wasteful.
What is Houllier supposed to do? There is plently he can do as per my post.
And none of it addresses the most obvious problem. You said yourself that you didn't watch the first half. When you have then you'll see how many times we got in behind them and how Downing should have scored at least one.
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Downing made 33 passes of which 13 were unsucessfull I rest my case
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All this wailing; Tony, what is Houllier supposed to do, finish Downings one on one for him?
When you've watched the first half you'll see that we should have been 4 or 5 up. We're causing our own problems by being so wasteful.
What is Houllier supposed to do? There is plently he can do as per my post.
And none of it addresses the most obvious problem. You said yourself that you didn't watch the first half. When you have then you'll see how many times we got in behind them and how Downing should have scored at least one.
The trouble is on too many occasions we dont score and then live to regret it. As Hawkeye said it is not working. The points dont lie.
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Neither do the hips. I had a great day out. Watched Kidderminster beat Altrincham 2-1. A missed penalty and two red cards. Lovely stuff. Met some very nice people aswell.
With regards to the Villa, I'll watch MotD later before I comment. Thanks to my friend Warren for providing me with sms updates as to our progress today.
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Granted i only saw the game from a poor stream, but i thought in the 1st half , only poor choices from the wide players kept Bpool in the game.
Too often, in good positions, the final ball from Downing, Young and Gabby is poor.Whether its poor judgement, or poor movement in and around the box, that is GH to sort out, but for me Downing offers a lot more than AYoung, and i would probably drop Gabby.I thought Makoun was ok, its his game to give the ball to Downing and Gabby and AYoung, and them to open the teams up.
Oh and for me, the last minute, AYoung, England International, should be doing a lot better.
Certainly not the worst performance i've seen off us, and signs for me we are getting better.Clarke had a better game, but hes not a LB
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Just back home to Mancland and the day could best be described as frustrating. Our lack of clinical finishing and delivery is whats costing us this season and another really shit goal given away. Like others I can see the positives in the fact we absolutely ripped them to pieces at times but we're not making it count.
Oh and Howard Webb, and his linesman in front of the mainstand, words fail me. Thought Sian was excellent to be fair.
Oh and Blackpool was a shithole and I did want to come home.
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Chill people. A draw at Bpool is good and now we have only lost 1 game in the last 5. 8 points from 15 is not bad at an average of 1.6 per game. The worst result in this little spell was Fulham at home as we lost the lead twice. We will pick up an averagre 1.75 points per game from now till end of the season.
However I am starting to accept that we will not qualify for Europe via the League this season.
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It was a bit rubbish today really. Shame about Makoun's red card. Needless, and makes it harder for him to settle into the Premier League. Never mind.
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what's hard to question is Ash's committment. He runs his bollocks off every game. What can be called into question is what he does with the ball in critical situations and on set pieces. He's been below par far too often this season. Today, as ever he worked very hard, but there simply wasn't the quality we all have come to expect from him.
He was doing ok but his petulance was embarrassing and if anything reduced the his impact. I think he's become more workmanlike this season because of the position he's being asked to play. Far less effective but his effort can't be questioned. A swap with him and Gabby would make us far more dangerous, but the manager seems determined to plough this unproductive furrow.
Get rid of the 'r' and the first 'k' in workmanlike and you're spot on.
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I think I would drop Gabby too BLF, probably for Bannan. We need someone, anyone, who can deliver a final ball. Although Bannan AND Albrighton need to be back in the side!
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Ironic that Johnny Hogg was sent off too today for Pompey. Better the devil, etc.
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Really really should have won this. It's going to be a real struggle to stay up now IMO. Think we'll do it but only by the skin of our teeh.
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I really enjoyed the first half, I thought it was a good game of football from both teams. Bad defending from both teams too, which could have easily been 2 or 3 each.
I don't know how anyone can say Charlie Adam is a division 2 player, he was very good. It is a pity he is off to Liverpool because he would have fitted the bill for us.
God knows what happened second half as my stream kept getting blocked, it sounded pretty poor so grateful we got a point in the end especially playing with 10 men for 25 minutes.
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Claret socks today. Enough said.
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You certainly get a different perspective standing on touchline at Bloomfield Road
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Young is getting criticism but he doesn't help his own cause, his almost continual
back chat to Webb (even if he was captain today) was always going to cost us
and it proved to be the case when we were denied what looked like a stonewall
penalty late on. To be fair Webb couldn't have given it because he was on halfway
line but the male assistant in front of main stand could and should have been brave
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Kyle Walker is too good for us and there isn't a chance he will sign for us (great pity)-
Whatever Houllier said at the break we stopped doing what we did quite well first half
and the Tangerines bossed the game after that even though we had a couple of good
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Hardly noticed Bent and wasn't surprised when he was subbed, but apart from the pass
that put Gabby in for his goal I don't recall the midfield putting the ball in the right area
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We've got an enforced break now - maybe defending set pieces will be on the agenda
at Bodymoor Heath ?
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Kyle Walker is too good for us and there isn't a chance he will sign for us (great pity)
I don't think he is! We're about his level.
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I continue not to understand the tactics and the logic of our manager Mr Hoola-Kop.
Our best player Super Mark Albrighton on the bench.
Barry Bannan could be our Charlie Adam, but where is he?
Gabby again on the flank: yes, he scored one goal in counter attack but played miles away from the goal.
The central defenders once again were not able to mark in situation arising from set pieces.
AY7, very gifted as left winger, is the shadow of himself if played in the hole.
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£7.50 all day parking is a bloody rip off.
?? eh that sound reasonable to me.
That 2nd half was appalling, lost a lot of belief in the players today, we were unable to gain any composure and just slow the game down, it was all 200 mph like sunday morning stuff.
Simply not good enough
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10. Reasons why we are struggling
1- Two England left wingers, neither playing on the left wing.
2- Arguably the quickest striker in the Premier League playing on the wing.
3- Our inability to defend corners - despite having three ball winning dominant centre backs in the team.
4- Emile Heskey on the pitch.
5- A goalkeeper who gets lost outside of his 6 yeard box.
6- The same two afforemention England left wingers that can't do anything other hit a free kick into the wall.
7- The same two afforemention England left wingers that can't take a decent corner.
8- A manager who doesn't see the merits in playing players in the correct position.
9- Ashley Young's petulance, moaning, whinging and arguing. He really is coming across as an odious arsehole. At clubs like ours, we don't get the rewards of such behaviour.
10- The players can't do the basics.
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I think points 1,2,3 and 8 are bang on, possibly 4 too, especially the circumstances which saw him on the pitch today. But the rest, I think are matters of opinion.
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I think points 1,2,3 and 8 are bang on, possibly 4 too, especially the circumstances which saw him on the pitch today. But the rest, I think are matters of opinion.
They're all matters of opinion. 1, 2, 3 and 8 just fit with your opinion.
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Well, if you want to split hairs with me, 1 and 2 and 4 are factually correct.
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Well, if you want to split hairs with me, 1 and 2 and 4 are factually correct.
They are factually correct, but the point is that you are saying those are reasons we are struggling. That's the matter of opinion bit.
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I've just got back, via going to see Romeo and Juliet in Bolton. (I'd already planned to use:
"O woe! O woeful, woeful, woeful day!
Most lamentable day. Most woeful day
That ever, ever I did yet behold!
O day, O day, O day! O hateful day!
Never was seen so black a day as this.
O woeful day! O woeful day!"
if we'd lost.)
As it so happens I actually thought it was a good match, albeit one we could have been out of sight in the first half an hour, and then spent the last 10 minutes hanging on for the point.
My biggest concerns centre on the inability to take advantage of Blackpool's poor defence. A team like Arsenal would have been 4-0 up at the break. Our crossing was poor, as was the delivery from corners. I think if Albrighton had played today he would have murdered Carney down the right. Despite the goal, Gabby was again wasted.
Up until the sending off I was again impressed with Makoun. My initial view of the red card was the ball was there for both him and Campbell to go for. Having seen Match of the Day it was lunge and in this day and age you're going to walk for that sort of challenge.
Young had one of this more petulant afternoons and had he not spent the last 20 minutes going to ground far too easily and whinging at Howard Webb, he may well have got the penalty at the death.
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Yeah, I suppose thats a bollock dropped on my part. The playing players out of position thing is whats really getting on my tits though. Id just like to see our attacking bit of the team played more appropriately. Now we have a solid base in the centre of midfield, it would be nice to see wingers in their correct position/favoured side, and who knows, maybe Ash could start to work as a support striker.
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Only one reason we are struggling and that's our defence. Piss poor with an over the hill keeper. Clean sheets will move us forward. Only Walker looks decent and he is a spurs player.
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2 left wingers and not one playing left wing, what a fucking joke!
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10. Reasons why we are struggling
1- Two England left wingers, neither playing on the left wing.
2- Arguably the quickest striker in the Premier League playing on the wing.
3- Our inability to defend corners - despite having three ball winning dominant centre backs in the team.
4- Emile Heskey on the pitch.
5- A goalkeeper who gets lost outside of his 6 yeard box.
6- The same two afforemention England left wingers that can't do anything other hit a free kick into the wall.
7- The same two afforemention England left wingers that can't take a decent corner.
8- A manager who doesn't see the merits in playing players in the correct position.
9- Ashley Young's petulance, moaning, whinging and arguing. He really is coming across as an odious arsehole. At clubs like ours, we don't get the rewards of such behaviour.
10- The players can't do the basics.
Spot on. Why is GH continuing to play people out of position and, worst of all, ignoring youngsters with enthusiasm and reasonable amounts of talent? Everyone can see it why can't he?
Oh, and I still can't stand Ashley Young, never have done, never will. At least more people are starting to see through him also.
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Oh, and I still can't stand Ashley Young, never have done, never will. At least more people are starting to see through him also.
Even when he was scoring and creating bucketloads of goals and winning the Young Player of the Year award?
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Oh, and I still can't stand Ashley Young, never have done, never will. At least more people are starting to see through him also.
Even when he was scoring and creating bucketloads of goals and winning the Young Player of the Year award?
Good question. Here'a another - even when he was banging swerving, bullet-like crosses onto Gabby's head with pin-point accuracy? Would love to know why he doesn't do that anymore, but at one time he certainly did.
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Kyle Walker is too good for us and there isn't a chance he will sign for us (great pity)
What a load of old bollocks
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FFS i wan't Gabby back in the middle and Ashley out wide please change it around and where is Marc Albrighton?
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FFS i wan't Gabby back in the middle and Ashley out wide please change it around and where is Marc Albrighton?
Albrighton was playing poorly and needed a rest and reverting to a predictable 442 would be asking for trouble.
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Just seen Makoun's red card. No complaints from me.
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FFS i wan't Gabby back in the middle and Ashley out wide please change it around and where is Marc Albrighton?
Albrighton was playing poorly and needed a rest and reverting to a predictable 442 would be asking for trouble.
He wasn't playing poorly, it was a case of not seeing the ball as everything goes through Downing. Gabby could claim the same. I'd like to see Downing and Albrighton rotating or give Albrighton the last 30 minutes. At least he can cross a ball.
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To be fair, it's not Houlliers fault we couldn't convert a series of great chances. However he needs to sort the defence.
I'd say it is his fault.
His changed us to zonal marking at set pieces. We now keep conceding at set pieces.
He plays two defensive midfielders(whatever he may of said Makoun is not a box to box player, although he has impressed me mainly so far) against Blackpool, where's the ambition? Where was Bannan?
He plays a completely one left footed player who's best attribute used to be whipping the ball in on the RIGHT wing. He keeps our best right winger on the bench.
He plays our stiker, who holds the ball up well and for the last 3 years has been our best outlet when we need to get the ball forward on the left win.
He plays one of the best wingers in the country, who's best attribute is running at players when he has space in the centre, where there isn't a lot of space.
When we need a goal, he takes off our £24m striker (who admittedly hadn't done much but he is the type of player to do fuck all then pop up with a tap in) for heskey!
But most importantly, he seems to have ripped all the fighting spirit out of our team. His changed us from a team that I had confidence in to go and beat teams like West Ham and Wolves to being seriously worried we're going to lose both and get sucked into it, if his done that to me the players must be thinking it a bit too.
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Only seen MOTD but judging from a lot of the posts on here it appears to have been a poor performance. This corner we thought we'd turned a couple of weeks ago is turning out to be a lot more difficult to get round than we anticipated.
What I will say is we were never going to win all of the "easy" run of games that we've got and at least we didn't lose today. What it does mean is there is more pressure on us to start winning some of the winnable games, ie our next 5 at home.
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FFS i wan't Gabby back in the middle and Ashley out wide please change it around and where is Marc Albrighton?
Albrighton was playing poorly and needed a rest and reverting to a predictable 442 would be asking for trouble.
He wasn't playing poorly, it was a case of not seeing the ball as everything goes through Downing. Gabby could claim the same. I'd like to see Downing and Albrighton rotating or give Albrighton the last 30 minutes. At least he can cross a ball.
Disagree, Mark, he would still put in the odd decent cross but was looking jaded and making too many simple mistakes - Chelsea away summed it up. He's a great prospect but he needs to be handled properly and not have undue pressure heaped on him every week. Same is true of Bannan, who I think has the potential to be the better of the 2, he needs to learn the game by being around the first team squad before he's ready to be an automatic starter.
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im getting rather fcuked off with houllier insisting on keeping striker agbonlahor on the left wing, left winger downing on the right wing, and right winger young as a striker...
we have 3 players there who are tailor made for positions that we are shoehorning others into, and it is fcuking shit...
as for the game, players out of position again dont help, but we were the better side first half, they were second half... didnt help having a player get deservedly sent off, but even before that, we did what we usually do and sit back once taking a lead, inviting the opposition onto us and with our appalling defending, concede...
my only surprise is not conceding more against a side who work hard and attack until the end...
houllier has purchased some quality footballers, and he is trying to get us to play a more passing game, and slowly that is happening, but he is undoing it all by copying o'neills playing players out of position, and being negative when we are in a positive position...
not happy with him at the moment...
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Some people keep banging on about playing players out of position, but lets look at it properly.
Bent.......our main goal threat, does'nt play well with another striker, certainly not a gabby kind of striker.So lets not do that.
Downing.....shit on the right?Could have sccored 3 goals yday, 1 he should have, 1 he hit the post, and 1 bloccked.ALL of our decent attacks have come down the right in the last 2/3 games.Much as i think Downing plays like a tart sometimes, i do think he is our most effective attacking source atm.
Gabby.......regardless of where he is asked to play/should play/is playing, i expect effort.His movement/awareness/interest atm is almost non-existant.Watching the extended highlights last night, Varney plays the position far better than Gabby does, but is much an inferior player.I get the impression that Gabby has got a bit billy big time.Needs dropping.
AYoung......the enigma.For me needs to be told it is not all about him, stop diving, and be that creative player he can be.If that means promising him he can move in the summer then so be it.As said on many occasions, i'm not sure we have'nt seen the best of AYoung.
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To be fair, it's not Houlliers fault we couldn't convert a series of great chances. However he needs to sort the defence.
I'd say it is his fault.
His changed us to zonal marking at set pieces. We now keep conceding at set pieces.
Actually, he's changed us from zonal marking. Second sentence correct.
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Well Bents come here because he believes he will get better service and until we get players playing where they should that isint going to happen.
It seems were trying to fit to many players in, for me if we insist on 1 striker it should be : ash/downing left, Albrighton/Downing Rt, banan/ash behind Bent.
Which leaves out Gabby, even though Gabby scored yesterday and i can see the logic behind playing him on the left IE he can sometimes support Bent as a 2 man attack it might never work as it needs an intelligent player to do that role (Sorry Gabby)
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To be fair, it's not Houlliers fault we couldn't convert a series of great chances. However he needs to sort the defence.
I'd say it is his fault.
His changed us to zonal marking at set pieces. We now keep conceding at set pieces.
Actually, he's changed us from zonal marking. Second sentence correct.
That's true. It's funny how people go on about zonal marking. Benitez's team was slated for it every time a goal went in from a set-piece, but Hodgson's equally if not more leaky man-to-man system wasn't picked up on.
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My main concern at the moment is the lack of service to Bent. He badly needs someone up alongside him and i don't think Ash is that man, he looked much more threatning when he went out wide yesterday. I think it's time for Heskey to be given a go alongside him, with Ash out wide.
As for the game, i'd have taken the point as soon as Makoun walked. A bit negative maybe, but it was one of those games where we were again struggling to kill it off and we had a referee who was'nt in the mood to give Ash or Heskey anything.
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Yes, when you're away from home and down to ten men you'll take what you've got.
That said, Ash should have scored and we should have had a penalty. Its amazing what Webb cannot see.
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Well the argument about taking Bent off for Heskey is quite glaringly obvious. We were down to 10 men which is no fault of the manager. The last thing we wanted was to end up with no points and to give them 3.
So we sacrifice Bent for Heskey who can hold it up and can win plenty of free kicks.
We came home with a point, and to be fair the second half was terrible so it was a point gained especially after the sending off......so you could say Houllier had actually got it right!
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Well the argument about taking Bent off for Heskey is quite glaringly obvious. We were down to 10 men which is no fault of the manager. The last thing we wanted was to end up with no points and to give them 3.
So we sacrifice Bent for Heskey who can hold it up and can win plenty of free kicks.
We came home with a point, and to be fair the second half was terrible so it was a point gained especially after the sending off......so you could say Houllier had actually got it right!
Heskey actually came on before Makoun was sent off.
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Well the argument about taking Bent off for Heskey is quite glaringly obvious. We were down to 10 men which is no fault of the manager. The last thing we wanted was to end up with no points and to give them 3.
So we sacrifice Bent for Heskey who can hold it up and can win plenty of free kicks.
We came home with a point, and to be fair the second half was terrible so it was a point gained especially after the sending off......so you could say Houllier had actually got it right!
Heskey actually came on before Makoun was sent off.
Bloody hell Houllier must be able to see into the future. I was a even better of managerial judgement that I thought.
Sorry I'll get my coat!
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Bent looked out of sorts. Tired from midweek perhaps?
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The whole team came out second half out of sorts.
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The whole team came out second half out of sorts.
They did.
Probably all mind blown after the chances we missed.
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Bent looked out of sorts. Tired from midweek perhaps?
Yes it must be tiring having to play 2 games in a week!, i couldn't do it even if you gave me millions.
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Bent looked out of sorts. Tired from midweek perhaps?
Yes it must be tiring having to play 2 games in a week!, i couldn't do it even if you gave me millions.
YeaIf you want a player to be at his best for a Saturday game, then not going away mid-week to a European waste of time would help.
Yes, I’m sure you’d be able to run around and give it your all etc, but then you’re not a professional footballer are you.
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Very frustrating performance. The game should have been all over by half time and then we didn't play at all in the second. Defo 4 point dropped in the last two games. The habit of winning games seems so difficult under Houllier.
Noticed lots of kids in and around Blackpool wearing home shirts which must be a welcome change from the usual glory hunting top 4. This was in stark contrast to the hoardes of Liverpool fans we found at Warwick services on the way home.
Finally Blackpool is a real s..t hole compared to sunny Bournmouth. If only the Cherries could get into the Premiership that would be a much better away day/weekend.
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10. Reasons why we are struggling
1- Two England left wingers, neither playing on the left wing.
2- Arguably the quickest striker in the Premier League playing on the wing.
3- Our inability to defend corners - despite having three ball winning dominant centre backs in the team.
4- Emile Heskey on the pitch.
5- A goalkeeper who gets lost outside of his 6 yeard box.
6- The same two afforemention England left wingers that can't do anything other hit a free kick into the wall.
7- The same two afforemention England left wingers that can't take a decent corner.
8- A manager who doesn't see the merits in playing players in the correct position.
9- Ashley Young's petulance, moaning, whinging and arguing. He really is coming across as an odious arsehole. At clubs like ours, we don't get the rewards of such behaviour.
10- The players can't do the basics.
100% agree, great post, mate that shows very well the folies Houllière.
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Yes, when you're away from home and down to ten men you'll take what you've got.
That said, Ash should have scored and we should have had a penalty. Its amazing what Webb cannot see.
Ash should have done a lot better with the chance at the end, but I don't really agree on the penalty. I think Ash was looking for it, and it probably didn't help his cause that he has developed a bit of a reputation for going down too easily.
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Just seen the highlights of the game,1st half started well and probly could of scored a couple more,defending is very worrying. When are we goin to keep a clean sheet??Second half was a load of crap.The Blackburn game is massive now,a win is a must!
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Well the argument about taking Bent off for Heskey is quite glaringly obvious. We were down to 10 men which is no fault of the manager. The last thing we wanted was to end up with no points and to give them 3.
So we sacrifice Bent for Heskey who can hold it up and can win plenty of free kicks.
We came home with a point, and to be fair the second half was terrible so it was a point gained especially after the sending off......so you could say Houllier had actually got it right!
Heskey actually came on before Makoun was sent off.
Bloody hell Houllier must be able to see into the future. I was a even better of managerial judgement that I thought.
Sorry I'll get my coat!
Haha. Mystic Ged? I think there's a career option there for him if he decides he's had enough of this football lark.
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I got back a couple of hours or so and have been under the influence of alcohol since Saturday morning and have not read this thread at all.
That said:
1) The Blackpool fans were first class, an absolute credit to their club.
2) On the whole, it was a brilliant weekend. Many, many beers.
3) Blackpool heaving up by the Tower. Good job the drinks were cheap
4) Villa were shit.
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Second half - shit going forward, shit in the middle, and shit at the back.
No they were not. Considering how many Blackpool score 1-1 was a good result especially as Friedel wasn't called on to do much, second half and, you may have missed it, Makoun was sent off early on. But for Youngs and Webbs antics we might even have snatched a winner, even with 10 men.
Good news is Houllier won't be able to use Makoun for 3 games.
Nice to see the others making a fight of it, another couple of wins and who knows we might be in the top 10,and with Blackburn and Wolves to come at home and Bolton away who knows
A good result?
Drawaing at a team that are in freefall?
Fuck me we are talking about Blackpool away not Real madrid
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We will continue to struggle if we let in soft goals at set pieces and continue to play wide players down the middle and centre forwards on the wing. It won't work and I can't understand why GH doesn't see this.
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Oh, and I still can't stand Ashley Young, never have done, never will. At least more people are starting to see through him also.
Even when he was scoring and creating bucketloads of goals and winning the Young Player of the Year award?
Good question. Here'a another - even when he was banging swerving, bullet-like crosses onto Gabby's head with pin-point accuracy? Would love to know why he doesn't do that anymore, but at one time he certainly did.
Probably because there is not much point banging, swerving, bullet like crosses with pin point accuracy to the left wing.
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I didn't see the game or the highlights and only read the BBC match report. The BBC report suggested we were an improving side, played well and showed some of the attacking football we are capable of.
I am just reading this thread now though and seem to be getting a very different picture!