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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on February 07, 2011, 05:44:46 PM
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Four weeks wages for Habib Beye. Or a club with 125 years of history. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/k/kidderminster_harriers/9390275.stm
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I know !
Do you know, I am so skint this week, I have had to buy the weeks milk from Aldi, as it is 30p more expensive in Morrisons - and I can't afford the extra £1.80.
And then you see him on that much - it's sickening.
But you can't blame him - it's who authorised it I would like to know.
The thing is though, I have read people saying "With freidals troubles, we should organise him a testimonial".
So, a guy who earns £40k per week, been in top flight football for 15yrs so is probably one of the top earners in Premier League, and then invested his money badly, should get a hand out, whilst our near neighbour gets wound up for 4 weeks wages !
Truly does show what is wrong with football !
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Players at the top I wish would give 5k of their wages a week to one of the bottom league clubs. Or even a few give a k a week, there are enough players on 30k plus a week that could afford a grand of it, and sustain the lower league players. It would enhance the stability of the clubs and the opportunities for players to come through. The lack of wealth re distribution throughout the game is wrong. I also believe lower league sides in league 1 and 2 that are never going to be big enough to get to the prem should look at official affiliations where a parent club can blood their youngsters through league football more.
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It's a shame you don't like to see clubs in that position.
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I would hope we help them. We had a fundraiser game there the year they didn't get entrance to the league
(only for Wigan to stay up at Springfield park which was 1000 times worse !)
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footballs fooked ;-(
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Hope they pull if off, but a CVA is hard work I guess even if they manage that.
Pity the man that owns OGL won't bail them out - it's SFA to him also.
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Football is a just a bit rotten really isn't it
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This just sums up what is completely wrong with football!
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It's a shame you don't like to see clubs in that position.
Well, if you're not going to Blackpool they are at home on Saturday.
I can recommend the King and Castle by the station (five minutes from the ground), and the food at the stadium is fantastic, you don't get shepherds pie in most grounds.
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Oh dear. That's a real shame. My next-door neighbour when I was little used to play for them and I've always looked out for how they are getting on in the league.
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Could Villa buy the club and use them as sister nursery club ? That way they can influence playing style and use our young players to gain experience higher level than reserve.
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That's sad
I remember when they beat the Blues
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Could Villa buy the club and use them as sister nursery club ? That way they can influence playing style and use our young players to gain experience higher level than reserve.
I can't see that one happening
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A more practical way of assisting might be to organise a friendly.
Does anyone remember that documentary where Karen Brady was dismissing them before an FA Cup tie - only for them to knock the knuckledraggers out?
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Dundee might go this week too...
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http://www.khist.org.uk/
In this case, every little WILL help.
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There is a possibility I might be helping out another non league team in the very near future. My season ticket at AVFC will not be renewed next season as I want to watch more grass roots football. It is played at 3 o clock most saturdays and much easier to organise in life's busy scedule
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Have had a soft spot for Kiddie since I was a teenager when I worked with a guy in the lab of a large manufacturing company who played for them. He had been offered a number of contracts with league clubs but declined as he said he could earn more by having a full time job during the week supplemented by fees for appearances for Kiddie. Top scorer with 44 goals for them in one season in the '60s.
How times have changed.
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http://www.khist.org.uk/
In this case, every little WILL help.
The link is down - anyone know if it has been forced down?
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At £14 - £17 quid per ticket is it as simple as all they need to do is attract an extra 10-11K supporters? Surely all of the local clubs who aren't at home can chip in a few thousand of their supporters?
I'm looking for something to do this Saturday - I think I just solved that.
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I think I'll join you.
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Statement from KHIST (http://www.harriers.co.uk/page/FansGroups/0,,10438~2287331,00.html)
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I will if I can make it but am in the office for at least the morning on Saturday
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Thank you for your support - it's really heart warming to have fellow football fans pull together. We are currently doing a facebook and twitter viral campaign to get 155,000 people to donate £1 or more. If you think you can help spread the word as well as donate that would be much appreciated. We've had £3,500 donate since about 10pm last night (much of this from the last couple of hours)
Please donate at www.khist.org.uk (website now fixed)
Look forward to see a strong villa support at aggborough on Saturday and hope the other local clubs follow you lead.
Thank you again.
Laura
Laura@khist.org.uk
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Let us know how you get on today?
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I've just filled in the online membership form and bunged them a few quid.
Good luck Laura.
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Just thrown in a few quid, spent quite a few Saturdays down at Aggborough when I was younger.
Best of luck Laura.
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I'm no expert, but I'd have thought that if they can find the money for the tax bill, then at least that gets the taxman and his winding up petition of their back.
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Thank you - I will certainly let you know how we get on. We are on BBC Radio 5 live with Gabby Logan at 13.15pm so hopefully that will raise the profile of the campaign further.
We're up to £4,200 online donations and £4,000 in cheques. A long way to go but the more publicity we are getting the quicker it's coming in.
Just a shame that clubs like Chelsea will spend what we need in 1 week on just one players wages.
Thanks again and speak to you later - hopefully with good news!
Laura
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I'm no expert, but I'd have thought that if they can find the money for the tax bill, then at least that gets the taxman and his winding up petition of their back.
Unfortuantley not - the Harriers bank account has been frozen and the two remaining board members are meeting with their legal and financial advisors tomorrow to make the decision on the next stage (i.e. CVA, Administration, liquidation). We need to show we can afford to keep trading.
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Any more news on your chairman's illness?
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Laura, will the promise of a bumper gate on Saturday help with today's talks?
Just a thought that your viral campaign could also urge local fans of other clubs to turn up, Villa for instance are at Blackpool with limited away tickets, some of us are already planning to attend (if only to sample ale in the wonderful King and Castle!).
Pass the buckets and good luck.
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One of my best mates played for Kiddy, he delights in telling he scored against us in a pre-season friendly. I've been a few times, great club.
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Best of luck with this Laura. What a sad indictment of the game it is that we have squad players at Villa (and other big clubs) that earn what you need to keep afloat in just a couple of weeks for simply turning up to training a couple of times and then playing on their xbox all day. >:(
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Laura, will the promise of a bumper gate on Saturday help with today's talks?
Just a thought that your viral campaign could also urge local fans of other clubs to turn up, Villa for instance are at Blackpool with limited away tickets, some of us are already planning to attend (if only to sample ale in the wonderful King and Castle!).
Pass the buckets and good luck.
A bumper crowd would be a great help. We are aiming to fill the ground so the more the merrier. A leading Harriers fan should be on Radio 5 live any minute now!
Thanks again - the support has been fantastic!
Laura
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A few quid gladly donated, good luck with it.
What was the name of that striker in the 80s who scored loads of goals for Kidde and had a girls christian name?
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Just listened to the chap from Kiddie on the radio. I loved the way he said that Villa fans are backing the appeal and they wished WBA, Wolves and any other regional club will do the same. I can't believe they forgot the other big club in the area................................ Coventry! :D
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(http://www.btinternet.com/~duffnort/Pie.JPG)
Always enjoyed an afternoon there and in the King and Castle beforehand.
This doesn't really do the Kiddie cottage pies justice but worth a few quid towards saving the club for those alone.
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At £14 - £17 quid per ticket is it as simple as all they need to do is attract an extra 10-11K supporters? Surely all of the local clubs who aren't at home can chip in a few thousand of their supporters?
I'm looking for something to do this Saturday - I think I just solved that.
Unfortunately I think the capacity of Aggborough is only about 6,000 so a bumper crowd of 10-11k isn't an option. But we can certainly help by pushing up their average attendances from around 1500 and not just as a one-off.
I moved to the Kiddie area last year and have been meaning to go there all season but just haven't got round to it. I will be there this Saturday if I can resist the temptation of watching our game at Blackpool on a dodgy internet stream - and I will definitely go when fixtures don't clash. Who knows - maybe this will be the start of a move away from the pampered prem back to grass roots football - but anything we can do to help KHFC is a must do
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At £14 - £17 quid per ticket is it as simple as all they need to do is attract an extra 10-11K supporters? Surely all of the local clubs who aren't at home can chip in a few thousand of their supporters?
I'm looking for something to do this Saturday - I think I just solved that.
Unfortunately I think the capacity of Aggborough is only about 6,000 so a bumper crowd of 10-11k isn't an option. But we can certainly help by pushing up their average attendances from around 1500 and not just as a one-off.
I moved to the Kiddie area last year and have been meaning to go there all season but just haven't got round to it. I will be there this Saturday if I can resist the temptation of watching our game at Blackpool on a dodgy internet stream - and I will definitely go when fixtures don't clash. Who knows - maybe this will be the start of a move away from the pampered prem back to grass roots football - but anything we can do to help KHFC is a must do
Who have they got this weekend?
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At £14 - £17 quid per ticket is it as simple as all they need to do is attract an extra 10-11K supporters? Surely all of the local clubs who aren't at home can chip in a few thousand of their supporters?
I'm looking for something to do this Saturday - I think I just solved that.
Unfortunately I think the capacity of Aggborough is only about 6,000 so a bumper crowd of 10-11k isn't an option. But we can certainly help by pushing up their average attendances from around 1500 and not just as a one-off.
I moved to the Kiddie area last year and have been meaning to go there all season but just haven't got round to it. I will be there this Saturday if I can resist the temptation of watching our game at Blackpool on a dodgy internet stream - and I will definitely go when fixtures don't clash. Who knows - maybe this will be the start of a move away from the pampered prem back to grass roots football - but anything we can do to help KHFC is a must do
Who have they got this weekend?
Altrincham I believe.
Forgot to mention earlier - Kiddie are 6th in the division so not exactly struggling performance-wise - hope this is not the first of many such situations
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It would be a terrible shame if the club is forced to go into administration and lose 10 points when they are in the hunt for promotion. They have already been docked 5 points this season and are still just 1 point of the play-offs. It seems the club has struggled with the day to day finances since being demoted 6 years ago. I hope they get promoted again, that would obviously help them out no end.
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What was the name of that striker in the 80s who scored loads of goals for Kidde and had a girls christian name
Kim Casey
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This just sums up what is completely wrong with football!
Why is it that no-one ever points to what Robbie Williams earns and says "this just sums up what is completely wrong with music"
or to Kiefer Sutherland and says "this just sums up what is completely wrong with movies"
or to Stephen King and "this just sums up what is completely wrong with books"
or to Kate Moss and "this just sums up what is completely wrong with modelling"
or to Maria Sharapova and "this just sums up what is completely wrong with tennis"
or to Michael McIntyre and "this just sums up what is completely wrong with comedy"
There seems to be a particular jealousy about footballers' wages. They have a scarce product to sell, and there are millions of buyers who seem to be all too willing to pay large amounts of money to see it, just like all the other people I just mentioned, who face almost no criticism for their large wage packets.
Habib Beye deserves what he's paid because he convinced Randy Lerner that it would be a good idea to pay him that. End of story.
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What was the name of that striker in the 80s who scored loads of goals for Kidde and had a girls christian name
Kim Casey
That's the badger, didn't he score something daft like about 60 goals in a season?
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What was the name of that striker in the 80s who scored loads of goals for Kidde and had a girls christian name
Kim Casey
That's the badger, didn't he score something daft like about 60 goals in a season?
Kim first signed for the Harriers in July 1985 from Gloucester City for £2,500.
He previously played for Sutton Coldfield and AP Leamington.
In his first season for the Harriers he scored 73 goals in 69 games, a club record.
He was transferred to Cheltenham Town in August 1990 for £25,000 and then joined Wycombe Wanderers and Solihull Borough before re-joining the Harriers in July 1995.
Kim finished his playing career at Moor Green.
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As a Bromsgrove Rovers fan, fuck them, arrogant inbred twats. Hate them far more than I ever did Redditch. Although I did like them for winning at the Sty.
As a football fan however, it's just another reason to hate modern football. I dread to think how many non leagues clubs with 100+ years of long history no longer exist.
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Just shows the sheer disgusting greed of the PL. Best league in the world my arse. It is vulgar - if it wasnt for the Villa I wouldnt give it the time of day . not even 10 past 2.
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i wont be going up saturday as ive got a ticket for blackpool,ive never had a season tkt at khfc but ive been to around 20/25 games a season since the 80's.
ive joined the club lottery & made a donation though.
its a great club that until recently was always run very well-really hope they pull through theres alot of good people there.
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This just sums up what is completely wrong with football!
Why is it that no-one ever points to what Robbie Williams earns and says "this just sums up what is completely wrong with music"
or to Kiefer Sutherland and says "this just sums up what is completely wrong with movies"
or to Stephen King and "this just sums up what is completely wrong with books"
or to Kate Moss and "this just sums up what is completely wrong with modelling"
or to Maria Sharapova and "this just sums up what is completely wrong with tennis"
or to Michael McIntyre and "this just sums up what is completely wrong with comedy"
There seems to be a particular jealousy about footballers' wages. They have a scarce product to sell, and there are millions of buyers who seem to be all too willing to pay large amounts of money to see it, just like all the other people I just mentioned, who face almost no criticism for their large wage packets.
Habib Beye deserves what he's paid because he convinced Randy Lerner that it would be a good idea to pay him that. End of story.
As much as I don't like what you're saying, I fear you're not a million miles away from being right. Unfortunately, that's the market value of average top flight footballers... unfortunately.
It doesn't make it right though.
If I can persuade the other half to let me, i'll head over to Kidder on Saturday.
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As a Bromsgrove Rovers fan, fuck them, arrogant inbred twats. Hate them far more than I ever did Redditch
Marvellous, I love non-league rivalries, they are so much more random than your classic ones!
Anyhow, are you now a Bromsgrove Sporting fan or what?
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STATEMENT: Exciting News from Aggborough
Posted on: Tue 08 Feb 2011
The Board of Kidderminster Harriers Football Club is delighted to announce that there have been new developments at the Club.
A band of principled supporters have donated a substantial amount of money which has given the Club a reprieve from entering into the legal and financial process in the short term.
Furthermore, discussions are taking place with potential new investors. All parties have agreed to a strict confidentiality agreement whilst a short period of due diligence takes place.
In addition, the Board are also extremely thankful to Mr. Barry Norgrove and Mr. Neil Savery, who have today given money to pay the outstanding wage bill for all staff.
The Board would like to thank KHIST and all those who are working tirelessly to raise funds for the Football Club and, once again thank the staff, players and supporters for their support through this difficult time.
Further details will be released as soon as possible here on the official club website.
http://www.harriers.co.uk/page/LatestNews/0,,10438~2288762,00.html
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The online appeal raised over £14,000 as of 8pm tonight. That's money from ordinary football supporters around the world, doing the right thing.
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That should be enough for a good celebratory piss up now that the club doesn't need the money.
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So what exactly happened for Harriers to get into this position? I always thought they were the model of a well run club. At least they seemed it in the 80s/early 90s to those of us who had the misfortune to follow the circus that is Worcester City and who were extremely jealous as a result.
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So what exactly happened for Harriers to get into this position? I always thought they were the model of a well run club. At least they seemed it in the 80s/early 90s to those of us who had the misfortune to follow the circus that is Worcester City and who were extremely jealous as a result.
Basically, it seems they spent more than they had coming in. No fraud, no mbig mad plans, they just got skint.
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So what exactly happened for Harriers to get into this position? I always thought they were the model of a well run club. At least they seemed it in the 80s/early 90s to those of us who had the misfortune to follow the circus that is Worcester City and who were extremely jealous as a result.
Basically, it seems they spent more than they had coming in. No fraud, no mbig mad plans, they just got skint.
At the risk of getting pelted down here, while I feel sorry for the fans, and it is horrible to see such an old sporting institution up against it, spending money you don't have, and can't find, is a bit iffy isnt it? It tends to lead to businesses going to the wall.
Are those who did the reckless spending benefitting from the collections / goodwill we're seeing now?
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So what exactly happened for Harriers to get into this position? I always thought they were the model of a well run club. At least they seemed it in the 80s/early 90s to those of us who had the misfortune to follow the circus that is Worcester City and who were extremely jealous as a result.
They got promoted to the Football League, they couldn't afford it, got relegated, still thought they could afford to pay players on League wages, they couldn't, crowds dwindled.
Not this boards fault though.
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Are those who did the reckless spending benefitting from the collections / goodwill we're seeing now?
No, they have gone, this is a genuine hard luck story.
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At the risk of getting pelted down here, while I feel sorry for the fans, and it is horrible to see such an old sporting institution up against it, spending money you don't have, and can't find, is a bit iffy isnt it? It tends to lead to businesses going to the wall.
Are those who did the reckless spending benefitting from the collections / goodwill we're seeing now?
It was the Premier League who started the whole insanity of spending, so the least we can do is try to help the victims. The money is going to their Supporters Trust, who will make sure it's spent appropriately.
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At the risk of getting pelted down here, while I feel sorry for the fans, and it is horrible to see such an old sporting institution up against it, spending money you don't have, and can't find, is a bit iffy isnt it? It tends to lead to businesses going to the wall.
Are those who did the reckless spending benefitting from the collections / goodwill we're seeing now?
It was the Premier League who started the whole insanity of spending, so the least we can do is try to help the victims. The money is going to their Supporters Trust, who will make sure it's spent appropriately.
Is it that clear, though?
I'll make a donation happily, but I'm a little cynical that it's entirely a hard luck story and not self inflicted, albeit by the owners, not the supporters.
If they're victims of the PL spending insanity, why aren't all the other non league clubs in the same boat? As Dave C explained it, seems like their board started spending money they could ill afford.
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Is it that clear, though?
I'll make a donation happily, but I'm a little cynical that it's entirely a hard luck story and not self inflicted, albeit by the owners, not the supporters.
If they're victims of the PL spending insanity, why aren't all the other non league clubs in the same boat? As Dave C explained it, seems like their board started spending money they could ill afford.
And we never have?
Very often clubs get into debt not because they're paying wages they can't afford but because income has gone down. In Kidder's case I would imagine now having four Premier League clubs close by has caused them problems.
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Is it that clear, though?
I'll make a donation happily, but I'm a little cynical that it's entirely a hard luck story and not self inflicted, albeit by the owners, not the supporters.
If they're victims of the PL spending insanity, why aren't all the other non league clubs in the same boat? As Dave C explained it, seems like their board started spending money they could ill afford.
And we never have?
Of course we have, we are now, but if we went tits up in the process, it wouldn't just be hard luck - that sounds like something which is beyond anyone's control - it'd be self inflicted by the people running the club, and few of us would have complained during the process.
Don't get me wrong, I understand why people feel so strongly, if I was a Harriers fan, I would too. I do anyway. I just don't accept that it was entirely hard luck, and certainly not that it's in some way our fault.
They've always had big clubs around them, so I don't see how that is a factor of influence recently - it's not something you can pin on the Premier League (and believe me, I'm happy to blame the PL for pretty much everything).
A ST for this season, seated, at Kidderminster was 320 quid. You can get a ST at Villa for that.
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Is it that clear, though?
I'll make a donation happily, but I'm a little cynical that it's entirely a hard luck story and not self inflicted, albeit by the owners, not the supporters.
If they're victims of the PL spending insanity, why aren't all the other non league clubs in the same boat? As Dave C explained it, seems like their board started spending money they could ill afford.
And we never have?
Of course we have, we are now, but if we went tits up in the process, it wouldn't just be hard luck - that sounds like something which is beyond anyone's control - it'd be self inflicted by the people running the club, and few of us would have complained during the process.
The main difference, though, is that someone will always buy the Villa.
There's a Premier League Uber Alles mentality now which never used to happen. More marketing, more TV, it's much easier to take the easy option and watch your football on the telly than it is to go out and watch a game. There's also probably 50% (a rough figure) more people watching the biggest four local clubs than there was ten years ago. These people are coming from somewhere and often it's grounds such as Kidder & Halesowen.
Conference ticket prices are a big problem, which has been exacerbated in one way by the increaed promotion & relegation from the league. More traditionally bigger Football League clubs have been relegated and been able to stay full-time, so smaller clubs have had to try to maximise revenue in an attempt to compete.
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In the irrational world of football fandom I have always hated Kidderminster. It's based on the usual flimsy reasons but it is stopping me feeling the sympathy that I know I should. I'm hoping to find another club in trouble that I can show a gesture of support to in order to assuage my guilt.
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Just seen Laura ,pissed up, upside down in the corner of the King and Castle with about £13,500 hanging out of her back pocket!
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Just seen Laura ,pissed up, upside down in the corner of the King and Castle with about £13,500 hanging out of her back pocket!
With her other half, Jay Forsythe?!
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As a Bromsgrove Rovers fan, fuck them, arrogant inbred twats. Hate them far more than I ever did Redditch
Marvellous, I love non-league rivalries, they are so much more random than your classic ones!
Anyhow, are you now a Bromsgrove Sporting fan or what?
To be honest, no. I guess i'd like Sporting to do well if Rovers never make a comeback as I class Bromsgrove as my hometown, despite only being there 10 years. But it was Rovers who were my team. I watched them whenever I couldn't afford the Villa, I bunked off school to go to midweek aways, sang for Chrissy Hanks (far better than that twat Casey), getting threatened by some ICF when at Tring's ground for a game against Aylesbury (Aylesbury had no ground at the time IIRC), the Big Mal, chasing Newport, getting chased by Redditch blah blah. The same kind of memories I have of following Villa and every fan has of following their club. With Sporting, I have no affinity for them, no memories, never seen them play etc.
I bet your glad you asked now, and are thinking "a simple yes or no would have sufficed!"
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Nah, Coops revels in all-thing Non League, even moreso of its' anecdotes of days gone by.
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Personally I have always thought football as a whole should have some sort of redistribution of wealth policy.
Bit socialist I know and it would never happen.
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Anyone know how much they've raised so far ?
It's not really worth analysing why it's happened - it has, and can happen to any football club.
Kidderminster needs Harriers, perhaps the locals will go to more games if they survive.
I must say, £320 for a season ticket at that level of the game is steep mind.
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As a Bromsgrove Rovers fan, fuck them, arrogant inbred twats. Hate them far more than I ever did Redditch
Marvellous, I love non-league rivalries, they are so much more random than your classic ones!
Anyhow, are you now a Bromsgrove Sporting fan or what?
To be honest, no. I guess i'd like Sporting to do well if Rovers never make a comeback as I class Bromsgrove as my hometown, despite only being there 10 years. But it was Rovers who were my team. I watched them whenever I couldn't afford the Villa, I bunked off school to go to midweek aways, sang for Chrissy Hanks (far better than that twat Casey), getting threatened by some ICF when at Tring's ground for a game against Aylesbury (Aylesbury had no ground at the time IIRC), the Big Mal, chasing Newport, getting chased by Redditch blah blah. The same kind of memories I have of following Villa and every fan has of following their club. With Sporting, I have no affinity for them, no memories, never seen them play etc.
I bet your glad you asked now, and are thinking "a simple yes or no would have sufficed!"
Not at all, that's a marvellous answer.
I always enjoyed Tamworth's trips to Bromsgrove, a few decent pubs on the way to the ground and we nearly always won!
The last visit will have been in the FA Cup in 2002, a hard fought 2-1 win, Scott Rickards with a late winner. Well over 1000 in the ground as well.
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Kiddie had £14 off me earlier this season. I'm not giving any more.
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I wonder how difficult it is to set up one of those text message services where you can send something like "KIDDY" to a number and it would give them 2 or 3 quid.
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It really is a crying shame that players in top clubs like Chelsea, Liverpool and the 2 Mancs actually earn that much money in 7 days when there are loads of clubs across the country that are struggling to simply stay in business. Really hope they work it out in the end.
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These are two seperate issues for me.
Is Pl/Champ money ridiculous? Yes
Should clubs gave to balance the books? Yes. natural order of things i am afraid. There will be a better run club along to take their place.
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Should clubs gave to balance the books? Yes. natural order of things i am afraid. There will be a better run club along to take their place.
But will it have 125 years of history behind it? Besides, who does a club belong to, the fans that faithfully follow it, often from generation to generation, or the board that irresponsibly waste its resources?
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Any mention of Kidderminster brings to mind their forward Peter Wasall who scored goals for fun in the 60s and early 70s. 'kin hell - how old do I feel?
I hope they pull through.
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Didn't Gerry Hitchens play for them before he joined Villa?
And, bizarrely, Gil Scott Heron's dad played for them as well.
Seriously!!!
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Didn't Gerry Hitchens play for them before he joined Villa?
And, bizarrely, Gil Scott Heron's dad played for them as well.
Seriously!!!
That is one of the most bizarre things I've heard in awhile.
excellent !
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That is one of the most bizarre things I've heard in awhile.
He was kiddy's first ever black signing. Played for Celtic as well
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I know Gill Scott Heron's dad played for Celtic, too.
Saw him speak about it on Newsnight last year.
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http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/sport/39Black-Arrow39-Gil-Heron-.4750293.jp
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Should clubs gave to balance the books? Yes. natural order of things i am afraid. There will be a better run club along to take their place.
But will it have 125 years of history behind it? Besides, who does a club belong to, the fans that faithfully follow it, often from generation to generation, or the board that irresponsibly waste its resources?
Strictly the club belongs to the people who've stumped up the money to own it (capital investment) , all you have is an emotional investment and whether you like it or not that gives you f*** all say in how things go. However, those with the Capital investment need to keep those with the emotional investment sweet otherwise their capital investment could go up the swanny.
In addition the FA and League structures could put more protections around the emotional investment i.e wage/turnover ratio's, debt/turnover ratio's etc etc. The greater regulation of foobtall has been long overdue but is continually thwarted by money grubbing clubs sticking two fingers up to the FA.
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Should clubs gave to balance the books? Yes. natural order of things i am afraid. There will be a better run club along to take their place.
But will it have 125 years of history behind it? Besides, who does a club belong to, the fans that faithfully follow it, often from generation to generation, or the board that irresponsibly waste its resources?
It's ever so easy for supporters of a Premier League club bankrolled by a billionaire to smugly say that little clubs should live within their means or make way for a better-run one. Maybe if we hadn't spent the past 20-odd years ignoring William McGregor's doctrine while throwing ourselevs foursquare behind every proposal to make the big clubs bigger, these sort of problems wouldn't happen.
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Didn't Gerry Hitchens play for them before he joined Villa?
And, bizarrely, Gil Scott Heron's dad played for them as well.
Seriously!!!
That is one of the most bizarre things I've heard in awhile.
excellent !
Bloody hell! Never, ever heard that before. That has to go down as the 'Chico Fact of the Decade'. I saw Gil Scott Heron over here last year. Poor fella made a youthful Gordon Cowans look obese. Still brilliant, mind.
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Agreed Dave. Are there Premier League style parachute payments by the way for those that drop from league to non league status?
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In fairness, I think the Premier League gave a decent amount of money to Conference clubs either this season or last to make up a bit for the Setanta collapse. A rare moment of decency by the Sky Cartel.
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In fairness, I think the Premier League gave a decent amount of money to Conference clubs either this season or last to make up a bit for the Setanta collapse. A rare moment of decency by the Sky Cartel.
By "decent" you mean the equivalent of one week of Rooney's wages?
That's what Tamworth got as part of the Premier League Grassroots charity deal.
I'm not saying that we aren't grateful, and it really helps, but you know....
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I know but they didn't have to give anything. I'm not suggesting they have turned into Ebeneezer Scrooge after the three ghosts have visited and are likely to start dolling out cash right, left and centre but it was better than the amount I would expect them to give... fuck all.
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Every little helps?
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Aaaagh... now Tesco have taken over Heroes and Villains. I knew it was only a matter of time.
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Great! Do you get double club points for every post you make?
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Should clubs gave to balance the books? Yes. natural order of things i am afraid. There will be a better run club along to take their place.
But will it have 125 years of history behind it? Besides, who does a club belong to, the fans that faithfully follow it, often from generation to generation, or the board that irresponsibly waste its resources?
It's ever so easy for supporters of a Premier League club bankrolled by a billionaire to smugly say that little clubs should live within their means or make way for a better-run one. Maybe if we hadn't spent the past 20-odd years ignoring William McGregor's doctrine while throwing ourselevs foursquare behind every proposal to make the big clubs bigger, these sort of problems wouldn't happen.
Sadly you can probably count the people that know about William Mcgregor's doctrine in the hundreds.
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Hopefully be a big crowd on Saturday against Altrincham then.
I assume there will be collection buckets around the ground?
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Hi everyone
Sorry it's taken me so long to come back and update. Had a bit of an accident and been a bit worse for wear. Back on my feet now.
The response has been amazing and we have done enough to stave off the CVA for now. Still a long, long way to go but with all the publicity and donations (we've raised £16K now) a few potential investors have got in touch with the club to have a look at possibly taking over. We've been at this stage before so trying not to build hopes up and we are continuing the donation drive and Operation: Full House.
We hope that as many of you as possible will be able to make the short trip on Saturday. We will have bucket collections out and will also be selling 50/50 half time draw tickets. If you fancy a bite to eat I can recommend the cottage pie (the cheese and potato pie is excellent too).
It promises to be a good day and we are busy trying to drum up support. You will spot me easily enough if you want to say hello - I'll be the girl standing by the East Stand entrance holding an orange bucket wear a very unfashionable red and white striped KHFC hat! My Dad's a villa fan so I will be trying to convince him to come along too.
Thank you very much again for your support - I've been overwhelmed by the amount of donations we've had from Villa fans (don't suppose you could convice Randy to donate? ;-) )
For all the latest news on what's been happening please visit www.khist.org.uk
Laura x
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I like the sound of the cheese & potato pie!
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I like the sound of Laura...
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I like the sound of Laura...
I know your wife ;)
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I like the sound of the cheese & potato pie!
I can heartily recommend it, and the cottage pie.
Best food at a football ground - FACT!!
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I like the sound of Laura...
me too, even in a very unfashionable KHFC hat !
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I live just down the road in Stourport on Severn. Would go Saturday but will be in Blackpool. Can vouch for the cottage pie, it's like having a full meal, get one early, takes a fair while to eat.
Remember when they had 8,000 against West Ham. Think the problem was when they were / are charging £18 to sit down when deals at clubs higher up (like us) make it not very good value for money.
Back when we were young all kids were free in the conference and crowds were fairly high. If attendances in the Prem are on the slide you cam be sure the Conference will be badly hit too.
Good luck to the Harriers and I hope they get through this rocky patch.
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I remember policing games at Kidderminster around 98 -02. Had some fun with the Shrewsbury yobs (English Border Front). They arrived in one coach at about 9.30am and spent the day going from pub to pub looking for a fight. It was funny that the local supposed hard boys were nowhere to be seen.
Cardiff was another game they were expecting trouble but the Cardiff fans I spoke to said their hardcore had gone to the millenium stadium to have a go at the noses who were playing Lplop that weekend.
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If I ever fall asleep on the train after a long day at work and overshoot my stop, I always get fish and chips from the place over the road from the station in Kiddy.
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Comberton Fish Bar or has it changed hands?
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Sounds about right to me. Now I am currently nearly back to Stourbridge on a train after a really long day....
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I've got two weeks off!!!! Nowt planned so chilling.
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Get yourself down the fish shop then! And if you can drop me back...
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Bit of a trek from Cornwall plus the fish is fresher here as it doesn't have to go far before it hits the fryer.
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Looking on Wikipedia I notice that Kidderminster have a Mark Albrighton playing for them.
(although ours is spelt with a c).
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Comberton Fish Bar or has it changed hands?
Captain Cod, I think.
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Looking on Wikipedia I notice that Kidderminster have a Mark Albrighton playing for them.
(although ours is spelt with a c).
That's fooled me on newsnow a couple of times.
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Comberton Fish Bar or has it changed hands?
Captain Cod, I think.
That's the bugger.
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yeah captain cods,best chippy in the town-they just opened a kfc a few doors down but they still que out the doors at cods.
its had the same owner years now.
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Where's the best/safest place to park outside the ground?
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In the police station car park!
The side roads around the ground get fairly congested Leeg. I would suggest Chester Road South or any side road off it. Then use the footbridge over the railway.
Have a look on google maps.
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I had a quick squint on street view earlier, what happened to The Comberton pub?
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In the police station car park!
The side roads around the ground get fairly congested Leeg. I would suggest Chester Road South or any side road off it. Then use the footbridge over the railway.
Have a look on google maps.
Thanks.
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Where's the best/safest place to park outside the ground?
Do you not think they're in enough trouble?
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It's either that or I'm off to Blackpool...
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I had a quick squint on street view earlier, what happened to The Comberton pub?
Been gone a couple of years at least.
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I had a quick squint on street view earlier, what happened to The Comberton pub?
Been gone a couple of years at least.
knocked down & built houses on it
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Where's the best/safest place to park outside the ground?
theres a big car park at the home end of the ground & its free after 1230 on a matchday,should be ok if you get there 2pm ish,apart from that train station & 5 min walk.
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Where's the best/safest place to park outside the ground?
theres a big car park at the home end of the ground & its free after 1230 on a matchday,should be ok if you get there 2pm ish,apart from that train station & 5 min walk.
Thanks.
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I had a quick squint on street view earlier, what happened to The Comberton pub?
Been gone a couple of years at least.
I haven't been to Kidderminster since 2002 having policed there for 4 1/2 years. It was good fun running around Birchen Coppice, Jubilee Drive and the Horsefair/Broadwaters. Had its fair share of scumbags.
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I had a quick squint on street view earlier, what happened to The Comberton pub?
Been gone a couple of years at least.
I haven't been to Kidderminster since 2002 having policed there for 4 1/2 years. It was good fun running around Birchen Coppice, Jubilee Drive and the Horsefair/Broadwaters. Had its fair share of scumbags.
You must have seen some right pond life (stolen from another thread).
I have been over here since '94, but those places have always had their share of characters.
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Where's the best/safest place to park outside the ground?
theres a big car park at the home end of the ground & its free after 1230 on a matchday,should be ok if you get there 2pm ish,apart from that train station & 5 min walk.
Pain in the arse to get out of though if I remember, only one road out and if it's a decent crowd.
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I had a quick squint on street view earlier, what happened to The Comberton pub?
Been gone a couple of years at least.
I haven't been to Kidderminster since 2002 having policed there for 4 1/2 years. It was good fun running around Birchen Coppice, Jubilee Drive and the Horsefair/Broadwaters. Had its fair share of scumbags.
You must have seen some right pond life (stolen from another thread).
I have been over here since '94, but those places have always had their share of characters.
I could rattle off a long list of names of those I arrested. Wouldn't be suprised if some of the smack heads are pushing up daisies now.
There was a thread on here a while back regarding one of Kidderminsters finest being done for stalking a central tv presenter (female). The idiots name was William "Hoppy" Carter and he was well known around Kidderminster.
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Alas D.Boy some the smack heads have croked it but are being replaced by a new breed even more resistant to any form of gentle persuasion to p*ss off home and stop playing silly beggars. Even the travellers have started taking crack now.
Jubilee Drive is being overtaken by Victoria Place as the place to be for your scummer. Mate of mine had a push bike thrown through the rear screen of his panda before xmas, we can't even park up and leave a car round there now. Park St has an interesting mix of clientele too.
You do quite literally see it all in the Kiddymonster.
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Hi Guys
Glad some of you will be attending today. Kidderminster does have it's rough elements, as does everywhere else, but it's not bad by the ground so please don't be put off. The areas mentioned are away from Aggborough.
As an aside, if you want to watch the early Prem kick-off (Manchester Derby), the Harriers Arms next to the ground will be showing it. I'd recommend getting there early though as it gets busy on matchdays.
I hope its a good game today and that you will enjoy it so much you adopt Kiddy as your second team when Villa are away and you can't go.
Thanks again for all your support this week - you have been great!
Laura
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In the King and Castle, full of Albion fans. Lucky Dave W's not here he would be trying to smash the place up (after he'd sold them a fanzine, obviously). If any other fans are here and want to say hello I'm the Godless Communist in the Soviet Union shirt.
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You will recognise Legion, he's the one with the big black cloud above his head and the upside down horseshoe round his neck. There is a 3 leaf clover sticking out his pocket.
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I know Legion he will be in the stand that's on fire.
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Ha Ha
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And that's only if he can get to the ground after he's in a five car pile up on the way.
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There was apparently a big pile-up that meant most Altrincham fans missed the kick-off. Surprised Legion was coming from that direction though. Harriers won two one in front of nearly 3,000 which is double their previous highest crowd this season. Would have enjoyed the game much more if Villa and Clyde weren't playing at the same time meaning I was a nervous wreck for most of the game.
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You'd have been more nervous watching the villa game.
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Really enjoyed that.
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What stand were you in? We were in the North Stand by the drumming riff-raff! My brother had a burger AND a hot dog. Fat bastard.
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The Main Stand. Row A towards you in the first half then moved to the side closest to the away fans for the second.
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The 'Aggborough soup' was bloody lovely and only £1.50.
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Would have been there but fates conspired to somehow get me stuck in bloody Tipton of all places by 2pm, realised I wasn't going to get anywhere near Kiddy by 3 so went to Bustleholme v Goodrich. (3-1, 'crowd' of about 24).
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Oh, but I have sent my entrance fee to KHIST.
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Who were the group of Villa supporters standing near the entrance to the gents at half time? I'm sure that I recognised the bloke in the villa-blue top and baseball cap from VP. One of the other blokes was drinking whiskey from a bottle.
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One of the other blokes was drinking whiskey from a bottle.
Classy!
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As long as the dates stay the same I'm going to the match against Crawley on 8th of March. Trying to get my non-football enjoying mates to come too, I've promised them a top cottage pie if they do, so that may swing it. Do the terraces get full up quickly?
Legion - where did you park?
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Car park right outside the stadium. Free on match days.
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good luck to them and all that but it is getting quite tiresome seeing yet another club fighting against going to the wall. Its like falling out of a plane at 30 000 ft. You can only go, 'Aggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh' for so long.