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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Risso on February 02, 2011, 11:22:46 AM
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Why oh WHY OH WHY OH WHY?
Every single flipping time we get one, up steps Young. Every single flipping time he fires it high and wide and handsome. I can't remember the last time he made the keeper actually do anything other than strain his neck to see how far above the bar the shot has ended up.
Why can't we practise with somebody else taking them, or even try something different like playing it sideways and having somebody else (eg Albrighton) drilling it in?
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Totally agree, vary the free kick taker because ash wastes far more than he takes decent, yes he has scored from free kicks but very rarely and more often than not is yards over and not even remotely close.
Let's see downing or someone else have a go now and again .
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That one that he took from close up should have been taken by Collins. He showed at Wigan that he can hit them. Even though the one scored in the same goal by Chris Nicholl against Everton in the LCF 2nd replay was not a free kick, I can still see Collins hitting them like that. Bruce Rioch would never have fannied about the way Young does.
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Give Collins our free kicks. He has a bullet of a shot on him. He might hit the wall more often than not but that might result in taking a defenders head off. That would be far more productive that sailing a yard over the bar into row Q.
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His corners go straight to the keeper as well.
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I can only assume he bangs them in during training and so they stick with it but, you're right it's so massively frustrating and totally predictable. There's obviously a skill to being deadly accurate and not many are, but this kid is next to useless at it. Even by the law of averages you'd expect more accuracy from him.
Collins has tried to blast it through the wall a couple of times lately but that's pretty futile as well.
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If you watch any other football this season everyone is having the same problem. I assume it is to do with the ball but it seems that they are all struggling to get it up and down over a wall. I agree that letting Collins just hammer it might be a better option but it's a bit harsh to single Ash out when it's a league wide issue.
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To be honest, Ashley Young's wasteful largesse isn't restricted to his dead ball efforts.
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Maybe other players are having trouble hitting the target from free kicks but surely none miss by such a distance on a regular basis?
If ash was slightly off the radar then ok but the vast majority of his free kicks are really wayward.
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I agree, he should be taken off set piece duty until he finds his 2008 mojo again.
Albrighton is the best crosser at the club and should take corners and wide free kicks. Otherwise, let's see what Downing can do with them.
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I agree, he should be taken off set piece duty until he finds his 2008 mojo again.
Albrighton is the best crosser at the club and should take corners and wide free kicks. Otherwise, let's see what Downing can do with them.
Problem is Albrighton is doing little to deserve a place at present. It's to be expected he's still learning and has played a lot of games but I think he could do with being given a couple of weeks to recharge.
Our corners on Saturday were the best they've been for ages.
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I agree, he should be taken off set piece duty until he finds his 2008 mojo again.
Albrighton is the best crosser at the club and should take corners and wide free kicks. Otherwise, let's see what Downing can do with them.
Problem is Albrighton is doing little to deserve a place at present. It's to be expected he's still learning and has played a lot of games but I think he could do with being given a couple of weeks to recharge.
Our corners on Saturday were the best they've been for ages.
Wee Barry was one of the corner takers, who was the other?
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I agree with Chris, there haven't been a lot of goals direct from free-kicks all season.
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I agree, he should be taken off set piece duty until he finds his 2008 mojo again.
Albrighton is the best crosser at the club and should take corners and wide free kicks. Otherwise, let's see what Downing can do with them.
Problem is Albrighton is doing little to deserve a place at present. It's to be expected he's still learning and has played a lot of games but I think he could do with being given a couple of weeks to recharge.
Our corners on Saturday were the best they've been for ages.
Pires.
Wee Barry was one of the corner takers, who was the other?
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I agree, he should be taken off set piece duty until he finds his 2008 mojo again.
Albrighton is the best crosser at the club and should take corners and wide free kicks. Otherwise, let's see what Downing can do with them.
Problem is Albrighton is doing little to deserve a place at present. It's to be expected he's still learning and has played a lot of games but I think he could do with being given a couple of weeks to recharge.
Our corners on Saturday were the best they've been for ages.
From Bannan.
Yes, if he plays, he should take them.
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I reckon he gets a fully stuffed brown paper bag from 'arry to stick 'em over. That he tells everyone else to fuck off boils my piss. When you've got a success rate of two thirds of one fifth of fuck all percent, it's time to admit you're a complete ****** and leave it someone else. Anyone else.
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Ashley Young in general - why? Sell him, N'Zogbia is much better.
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Could'nt agree more, his deliveries are terrible and have been for the past two seasons, i'd even prefer Friedel to take them if it meant Young was off them, our deliveries against Blackburn last week were so much better
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Ashley Young in general - why? Sell him, N'Zogbia is much better.
Agree.
N'Zogbia is awesome, and we'd even trouser £5 mill.
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Ashley Young in general - why? Sell him, N'Zogbia is much better.
He has never intimated he wants to leave. He never stops trying. He runs his nuts off. Granted, he wastes some set pieces, but that cant be the basis of selling him. N'Zogbia is a highlights player, very over-rated.
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Ashley Young in general - why? Sell him, N'Zogbia is much better.
He has never intimated he wants to leave. He never stops trying. He runs his nuts off. Granted, he wastes some set pieces, but that cant be the basis of selling him. N'Zogbia is a highlights player, very over-rated.
Yes but.
Yes but he was our chief play maker when MON said he was 'world class'.
He's not the same player now - we need players who can change a game, and Ash was sussed on the wing, so changed his game, but not for the better.
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He scored from a free kick this season against Bolton.
I don't think there have been many direct free kick goals anywhere.
N Zogbia for Young, give me a break. It seems to me that every other goal we score Ashley Young contributed, don't believe he gets the praise he deserves, the only downside to his game is a tendancy to fall down too easily, he still gets the odd penalty decision though.
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Young is twice the player N'Zogbia.
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Ash believes his own hype unfortunately. We need him back on the wing but with fullbacks who give him a helping hand. Maybe try him on the right for a couple of weeks with Walker bombing past him. Other teams were able to double mark him because MoN told out fullbacks that to go over the halfway line was a cardinal sin. It would also get him away from that stupid position hes playing at the moment where he flounces around like a pre madonna, doesnt get into the game and does generally sweet f a. It will also allow Downing back on the left where hopefully he will regain form from beginning of the season and allow us to rest MA.
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Yep, get the best out of him or sell.
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Young was the best player on the pitch against Man City. He works very hard as well for a creative player. I'd rather have him that N'zobia any day.
I think the real problem is we rely too much on him.
I do agree we should mix it up a bit with free kicks.
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It amazes me how many people don't get it. Haven't sussed that we've changed the way we play, haven't worked out that we don't play with wingers, haven't acecpeted that if we want to progess we have to adapt, haven't noticed how much good work Young does and haven't aknowledged that it was his ball that set Downing away for the goal last night. He's our most creative player so he's best played where he can be most involved.
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Right ok. Last 3 league games. Man City - Shot parried by Hart for Bent's goal. That changed the game. Wigan - Won and converted a penalty, which turned out to be the winning goal. Think that changed the game too. Man Utd - Great pass to release Downing in the build up to Bent's goal, and hit crossbar with stunning late strike. Not enough for you?
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I'm perfectly happy with Ashley Young's general play, I just think his free kicks suck balls.
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Totally agree about his free kicks, the one we got 2nd half last night you already knew what was going to happen. Anybody got any footage of the last time he put in a decent direct free kick on goal, let alone scored one.
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Bradley has been mentioned as very good dead ball specialist. Houllier has got to change this. Even a dink in the box to Collins or Dunne gives us a greater chance than a ball flying over the bar ...........
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His corners go straight to the keeper as well.
That gets on my nerves more than the free kicks to be honest
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As frustrating as it has been this season with our set pieces, and I think Chris mentioned this earlier, but I can't recall a ton of great free kicks from anyone this season. That said, he needs to do some serious work if he's going to be the bloke taking them, but maybe the ball is playing some role.
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Downing was on free kick duty against the Shit at the sty and they were as bad.
Best free kick I seen all season was Man u's at Vp in the 2-2 draw. The player ran back as if he was going to shoot then passed it to someone who was wide and he then squared it along the box with everyone confused
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As frustrating as it has been this season with our set pieces, and I think Chris mentioned this earlier, but I can't recall a ton of great free kicks from anyone this season. That said, he needs to do some serious work if he's going to be the bloke taking them, but maybe the ball is playing some role.
The thing is whether the ball is an issue or not, they never, ever come off, so we'd better off just putting the ball into the box for somebody to try and get their head to. At least that would make their keeper and/or defenders work a bit. Blazing them over 100% of the time is just an absolute waste of time and effort.
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He's a good player but can he please, for the love of god leave the freekicks and corners to someone else?
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As frustrating as it has been this season with our set pieces, and I think Chris mentioned this earlier, but I can't recall a ton of great free kicks from anyone this season. That said, he needs to do some serious work if he's going to be the bloke taking them, but maybe the ball is playing some role.
The thing is whether the ball is an issue or not, they never, ever come off, so we'd better off just putting the ball into the box for somebody to try and get their head to. At least that would make their keeper and/or defenders work a bit. Blazing them over 100% of the time is just an absolute waste of time and effort.
He has scored direct from a free kick this season so they do come off, just not that often.
The one last night was a couple of yards outside the area so was too close and at the wrong angle to be able to chip it into the box. That said, I do think it is something we should be working on to add a bit of variety.
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His corners go straight to the keeper as well.
That gets on my nerves more than the free kicks to be honest
I know you're talking generally, but I was surprised last night that Van Der Sar was allowed to wear his purple/black shirt when they clearly clashed with Villa's away kit. I don't think it was the reason Young kept finding him with his crosses but it can't have helped.
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Right ok. Last 3 league games. Man City - Shot parried by Hart for Bent's goal. That changed the game. Wigan - Won and converted a penalty, which turned out to be the winning goal. Think that changed the game too. Man Utd - Great pass to release Downing in the build up to Bent's goal, and hit crossbar with stunning late strike. Not enough for you?
but what has ashley young ever done for us!
I totally agree glasses, some cannot see the wood for the trees!
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When he steps up for a free kick, I automatically look into the stands and try to guess who will parry the ball. He's that consistent.
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He's also very consistent at running into space, looking up to see an open player calling for the ball, ignoring them and finding two or three opposition to run into trouble with, falling over when tackled, waving his arms in the air like it's someone else's fault...
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He's also very consistent at running into space, looking up to see an open player calling for the ball, ignoring them and finding two or three opposition to run into trouble with, falling over when tackled, waving his arms in the air like it's someone else's fault...
That's pretty much how it appears to me. Don't forget the shoulders bent and the arms outstretched.
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Right ok. Last 3 league games. Man City - Shot parried by Hart for Bent's goal. That changed the game. Wigan - Won and converted a penalty, which turned out to be the winning goal. Think that changed the game too. Man Utd - Great pass to release Downing in the build up to Bent's goal, and hit crossbar with stunning late strike. Not enough for you?
but what has ashley young ever done for us!
I totally agree glasses, some cannot see the wood for the trees!
And others cannot recognize subtleties in arguments. Are unaware of the limitations of their 'black or white', 'all or nothing' thinking. Cannot comprehend the existence of degrees of separation between one polar extreme and another, let alone that it's acceptable to reside at any point in between those two extremes. Consequently, when those people stumble into a conversational forest about one and only one single aspect of a player's game, they don't see that individual point as a single tree in that forest, which might be a bit ugly or gnarled for example, they erroneously assume that demands are being made to chop the entire forest down because it's all completely ugly and rotten.
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they are all struggling to get it up
I've heard Viagra works well. ;)
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He's also very consistent at running into space, looking up to see an open player calling for the ball, ignoring them and finding two or three opposition to run into trouble with, falling over when tackled, waving his arms in the air like it's someone else's fault...
That's pretty much how it appears to me. Don't forget the shoulders bent and the arms outstretched.
Of course, we'd be wrong because all he's doing is....pulling up his socks. Bless.
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I would like us to vary our takers and the way in which we take them it would make our opponents think twice about what we going to do which is a good thing.
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I thought away in the cup at Sheffield he had a poor afternoon, but since he has played well in all the games he has been in. If that shot had dropped an inch and gone in at United he would be a genius again. The free kick thing - he has scored from free kicks this season for all the bad ones, not many have even managed that in the league.
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AY has recently shown a great deal of passion and effort. But for all his time on the ball he produces very little and he freekick are terrible.
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AY has recently shown a great deal of passion and effort. But for all his time on the ball he produces very little and he freekick are terrible.
As pointed out elsewhere he was involved in goals against Man City, Wigan and Manu, that's a pretty good return.
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And I seem to remember at least a dozen goals from free-kicks...
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He's currently in the top 10 for goal assists in the PL this season, as he has been every season since he joined the club. I would guess that he has been one of the top 3 for assists over his 3 complete seasons.
He is an exceptional footballer.
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Of course he's in the top 10. He tries to do it all himself. I think if he gave the ball up a lot more, he'd still be high on the assist-list, but we'd be scoring a lot more freely from other avenues.
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His dead ball delivery has been poor for a long time now, apart from his pens which seem to have improved considerably from a couple of feeble efforts he had saved a while ago.
He's a bit of a paradox to me, he annoys the hell out of me by repeatedly taking the wrong options or going to ground, and wasting good possession. Yet he still makes more happen for us than pretty much any other player, I just wish he'd do it more often and more consistently, use his brain a bit more. He could learn a lot from the likes of Giggs or Nani at ManYoo. Annoying as he is you do often really notice it when he isn't playing, that there seems to be some spark of invention missing.
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His great ability is running at people with the ball at pace. To cause the most harm to the opposition he needs to be doing this at their defenders. To be in a position to do this he must start further up the field not in the middle of the park.
IMO he needs to be told to play as a front man with licence to roam across the field, not stick to the touchline, to collect through balls and run at the defence and then either shoot himself, as per Man City, or cross for the other forwards.
If he does this and sets his stall out, he could be our "Ronaldo".
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I suppose this goes against popular opinion, but Id like to point out on here that his free kicks were good today.
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And I seem to remember at least a dozen goals from free-kicks...
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Against?