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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: flan on January 18, 2011, 12:06:14 PM
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Hi again folks, bit gutted benty has handed in a transfer request, strange when he has said so often how he had found hi home on wearside. And a bit odd that bids came in so soon after his request, but fair play to houllier, if you get him you are more or less guaranteed goals.
I know some reports have the figure at £24m, which may seem high but it's the price to pay for a 20 goal a season striker in his prime. He is fairly one dimensional and is a pacey frontman with a knack of being in the right place at the right time, and Agbonlahor may learn a lot from him, but don't expect him to beat player after player with skill, thats not what Bent is about.
If he does sign for you then I'm sure he has his reasons no matter how obscure, and good luck to him as I'd rather you lot got him than the likes of Newcastle/Liverpool etc.
PS. any chance of throwing Downing in as part of the deal? ;)
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We have plenty that beat players time and again, and few who score goals, so yes please even at 18 mill.
If you want Downing you'll have to pay us Liverpool are looking to part with big cash to get him and/or Young say the media. But then they would.
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Gutted! Shaaaaaame! Ha ha ha, and lots of other grown up responses.
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Cheers, flan!
Wasn't there some issue wit his mother getting abuse at a game? Someone of Talksport (yes, I know) mentioned it yesterday and thinks it might be part of his motivation for going.
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Do have a bit of sympathy for you, we had it with Barry and Milner and may have it again with Ashley.
TBH, Gyan looks a player and if fist-face is given a fair chunk of the money I'm sure he can buy someone better equipped to play with him.
But I can't lie, I'm absolutely delighted by the news. The kid seems to be the sort who really gets on with the fans and I'm glad we've got a hero again.
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Gutted! Shaaaaaame! Ha ha ha, and lots of other grown up responses.
Haha, always expect a few of those. Though players come and go but your club is always the reason we follow, not the players.
And yes there was some racist incident though that was sorted by all accounts.
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I don't think the reason he wants to move is obscure, its just more money and the shopping is better, or at least closer to London I suspect
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Ha'way indeed, that's the going rate for goals, I'm sure the Mackems will be ok with Gyan, Wellbeck and £18m worth of options in the summer market.
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It wouldn't be the money. The speed of the transfer suggests there's something else behind it. He was apparently persuaded by Bruce to stay in the summer so I can't see him suddenly deciding on Sunday that he desperately needs that extra 20 grand a week, or whatever, straight away.
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Ha'way indeed, that's the going rate for goals, I'm sure the Mackems will be ok with Gyan, Wellbeck and £18m worth of options in the summer market.
Really hope we can sign Welbeck as he looks the real deal so far. And i do believe Gyan will get 15 goals a season once settled. But bruce needs to also get some midfielders who will share to goal responsibilty to offset the loss of Bent.
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You can have Salifou if you want.
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It wouldn't be the money. The speed of the transfer suggests there's something else behind it. He was apparently persuaded by Bruce to stay in the summer so I can't see him suddenly deciding on Sunday that he desperately needs that extra 20 grand a week, or whatever, straight away.
Perhaps he persuaded him with a wad? Sorry if I sound cynical about footballers and money.
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Know a lot of sunderland fans didn't really take to him because he's not really your 100% effort all action player. He's more a lazy goal hanger who only works when there's a goal in it for him. Just what we need
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Would it be fair to compare his style of play with that of Gary Lineker?
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well sort off. he's yer typical poacher, be shit for 88 minutes and score two, lazy goal hanging bastard type player
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Gutted! Shaaaaaame! Ha ha ha, and lots of other grown up responses.
Haha, always expect a few of those. Though players come and go but your club is always the reason we follow, not the players.And yes there was some racist incident though that was sorted by all accounts.
wise words flan
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Cheers, flan!
Wasn't there some issue wit his mother getting abuse at a game? Someone of Talksport (yes, I know) mentioned it yesterday and thinks it might be part of his motivation for going.
Bent had his car smashed up / vandalised near Bigg Market, think he has wanted out of NE since then
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to be fair if he went to bigg market he was asking for trouble. that's like a sort of Chav Mordor.
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Fair play Flan for coming on here with some sensible comments on this. It pains me to say it (given his Manure and Bloose background) but Bruce is a very good manager with an eye for a decent player at a good price. I'm pretty sure he'll put the considerable transfer fee to good use for you
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Think he has a bit more of an allround game than the boy Line-acre, he seems to be able to hold the ball up and is comfortable up top on his own.
Interesting that the opening post mentions Gabby, I think we always hoped that Gabby would become our Darren Bent. That is, not a natural footballer by any means. But someone who makes the most of what he has.
Still could, but I think it's going to be difficult to have them in the same side. Unless GH is still determined to make Gabby into some kind of auxiliary wideman. I have a feeling that he is going to be one of those players who miss out and could be on his way in the summer. Football being football and all the dogs abuse they give him anytime we play there, I wouldn't be stunned if it's B-lose either.
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think gabby would link up well with bent. as will heskey. Gabby has never been a striker type despite his decent goalscoring record. if anything him and heskey get in each others way.
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I think it'll be one upfront, which suits Bent, so doubt they'll need to form an effective partnership. It means Gabby on the bench or out wide, so I hope he's OK with that as we need a strong squad.
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i'm not so sure. i think GH will do away with both wingers when he's finished rebuilding. Getting him to sign a new contract hints he's in his plans
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i'm not so sure. i think GH will do away with both wingers when he's finished rebuilding. Getting him to sign a new contract hints he's in his plans
So what formation are you suggesting?
We were sometimes exposed with two wingers in the 4-4-2, but that's because we lacked some strength in the centre by playing Petrov as the anchorman. Makoun should fix that, so 4-4-2 would probably work better now, but even then it would be 2 of Young/Downing/Albrighton wide.
But as I said, I expect to see 4-5-1 more often than not under Gezza.
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Few mis-conceptions about bent on here though folks, firstly, he isnt a lazy goal hanger. he works very hard, tracks back more than most forwards and is always full of running that pulls opposition defences around.
His car was indeed smashed up by NUFC fans in the bigg market but that could happen at any club if your in "enemy" terroritory.
And lastly, I hope you dont play him as a lone front man, that ISNT his strong point. He's better with another forward alongside him. He often looks a little lost on his own up top, which explains a little of our poor away form as bruce so often went 4-5-1 away from home.
Odd that I am singing the lads praises I know, but he is a great player who as someone rightfully said plays to his strengths. Sometimes a player knowing his limitations is their biggest strength.
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Doing away with wingers completely would be a bit radical.
If Downing was to depart I'd like to see us go with Delph wide left. Not a standard winger by any means, but that's the appeal. I think one out and out winger (Albrighton) can be enough and then any three from Delph, Petrov, NRC and Makoun would make us more combative in the middle of the park.
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i'm not so sure. i think GH will do away with both wingers when he's finished rebuilding. Getting him to sign a new contract hints he's in his plans
So what formation are you suggesting?
We were sometimes exposed with two wingers in the 4-4-2, but that's because we lacked some strength in the centre by playing Petrov as the anchorman. Makoun should fix that, so 4-4-2 would probably work better now, but even then it would be 2 of Young/Downing/Albrighton wide.
But as I said, I expect to see 4-5-1 more often than not under Gezza.
look at GH's finest hour with the bindippers. 2 up front, heskey and owen.
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Cheers, flan!
Wasn't there some issue wit his mother getting abuse at a game? Someone of Talksport (yes, I know) mentioned it yesterday and thinks it might be part of his motivation for going.
Bent had his car smashed up / vandalised near Bigg Market, think he has wanted out of NE since then
My missus works for the company that is dealing with the claim, apparently he comes across as a nice bloke.
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Must say though, If having his car wrecked by opposition fans or reading less than flattering comments on a Sunderland messageboard (we have been warned) made him want out, he sounds a bit of a delicate flower.
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look at GH's finest hour with the bindippers. 2 up front, heskey and owen.
What he did with a different club almost a decade ago has very little bearing on what he does now with us. He's barely started with two upfront, but if he does start doing so now then fair enough.
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I would like him to go two upfront Bent and Gabby, Bent is more of a penalty box poacher and Gabby could be more in and around the box i think that could work.
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If it's two up top it needs to be Heskey.
Ivanhoe doing all the unselfish work and DB cashing in.
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I like Sunderland and if we don't have a miraculous winning run, I hope they finish 6th and get into europe.
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Mackem's, I know (we all) know how you feel when one of your best players leave. You'll be al right, more importantly though he will help keep us up and be challenging at the other end next season!
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Really hope we can sign Welbeck as he looks the real deal so far. And i do believe Gyan will get 15 goals a season once settled. But bruce needs to also get some midfielders who will share to goal responsibilty to offset the loss of Bent.
The good thing is, with both clubs having moved swiftly and sensibly on this (Villa seemingly offering the market rate and considerably more than you paid for him) the deal's been done with as little fuss as possible and Bruce still has a couple of weeks to decide what to do with the cash.
I think Keane would be a good start at the figures being talked about in the papers and then you just need to hope he nips abroad with the rest and unearths another foreign talent as he seemed to do during his time at Wigan.
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Think they have been slightly edged on into thinking we are the bad boys. But the reallity is they did not have to accept the offer .....
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Meh, I don't see the issue with being the bad guys tbh. We took a team who are having their first good season in ages (so of course become 'likeable' until they start doing it consistantly and pissing other clubs off) best player for a hell of alot of money.
We broke no rules and there was no foul play, so who gives a shit if we're the pantomine villain for a bit? I'm sure we'll get over it.
Hopefully we do it to 'poor little Blackpool' as well.
Fuck the Mackems anyway, Sunderland's a shithole and fist face is a twat.
Aston Villa FC: Taking your clubs best player since January 2011.
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We'll do want we want
We'll do want we waaaaaaaaant
We're Aston Villa
And we'll do what we want
Newcastle fans have got a reputation of being 'deluded' but I think that's just the normal mentality of thinking football-wise in the grim North-East after listening to countless bitter Sunderland fans ringing up TalkSPORT and reading various Sunderland fans 'opinions' on the internet.
Apprantely after many years of Sunderland finishing above Villa in the league and Villa being relegated a few times on the lowest points tally apart from the infamous Derby County team of 07/08 and qualifying for Europe 3 times in a row AND reaching a Cup Final and a Cup semi-final; believe it or not, but Sunderland are STILL a bigger club than the Villa.
(sarcasm machine has been turned on)
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Really hope we can sign Welbeck as he looks the real deal so far. And i do believe Gyan will get 15 goals a season once settled. But bruce needs to also get some midfielders who will share to goal responsibilty to offset the loss of Bent.
The good thing is, with both clubs having moved swiftly and sensibly on this (Villa seemingly offering the market rate and considerably more than you paid for him) the deal's been done with as little fuss as possible and Bruce still has a couple of weeks to decide what to do with the cash.
I think Keane would be a good start at the figures being talked about in the papers and then you just need to hope he nips abroad with the rest and unearths another foreign talent as he seemed to do during his time at Wigan.
You're right Guy, the transfer, though Sunderland seem to go on griping about it, was done and dusted pretty quickly. This means they have lots of time to find a replacement and Bruce does seem to have a talent for finding some hidden gems.
Maybe we shouldn't gloat too much though, it'll be our turn again soon enough for a supposedly bigger club to come along and try to buy Ashley Young or one of the kids coming through.
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just been on ssn that bent has recieved death threats via twitter. God those mackems are hard aint they?
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Think he has a bit more of an allround game than the boy Line-acre, he seems to be able to hold the ball up and is comfortable up top on his own.
Interesting that the opening post mentions Gabby, I think we always hoped that Gabby would become our Darren Bent. That is, not a natural footballer by any means. But someone who makes the most of what he has.
Still could, but I think it's going to be difficult to have them in the same side. Unless GH is still determined to make Gabby into some kind of auxiliary wideman. I have a feeling that he is going to be one of those players who miss out and could be on his way in the summer. Football being football and all the dogs abuse they give him anytime we play there, I wouldn't be stunned if it's B-lose either.
I dont think there's a cat in hells chance of Gabby playing for that shower of shite, he hates them as much as any of us!
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just been on ssn that bent has recieved death threats via twitter. God those mackems are hard aint they?
I've seen that too.
Despicable, vile and cowardly behaviour. You send a player death threats because he left little Sunderland? Obviously there lives are very empty to do something like that. Horrible.
I await a pig's head being thrown at Darren next time we play Sunderland...
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Personally i am so annoyed at the one eyed media bashing of us, they all seem to forget money city tryed to tear the heart out of our club by tapping up our players, they never even blinked when fat ass and judas left the club. To the media fuck off you w**kers.
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Think he has a bit more of an allround game than the boy Line-acre, he seems to be able to hold the ball up and is comfortable up top on his own.
Interesting that the opening post mentions Gabby, I think we always hoped that Gabby would become our Darren Bent. That is, not a natural footballer by any means. But someone who makes the most of what he has.
Still could, but I think it's going to be difficult to have them in the same side. Unless GH is still determined to make Gabby into some kind of auxiliary wideman. I have a feeling that he is going to be one of those players who miss out and could be on his way in the summer. Football being football and all the dogs abuse they give him anytime we play there, I wouldn't be stunned if it's B-lose either.
I dont think there's a cat in hells chance of Gabby playing for that shower of shite, he hates them as much as any of us!
Do you seriously think Gabby would go to the scum after them calling his mother a whore on a regular basis ??? Plus Gabby is a proper Villa fan and he is going nowhere ........
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Hearing a few players/pundits on Bent saying he prefers the ball through the middle rather than from the wing. I'd love us to go 442, at least at home, with Gabby and Bent up front. I still worry that we're not giving the forwards enough decent service, hopefully now with Bent we'll focus on this part of our game.
As somebody else mentioned, if not us, I'd prefer Sunderland to finish 6th this season. As ugly as he is, Bruce has done a good job up there although I was surprised to read the Sunderland board saying before they sold Bent, they may have to rethink the clubs ambitions if they don't get better attendancesat the SoL.
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Just thought I'd revisit this thread, I agree the death threat stuff is stupid, but every club has an element like that. I see benty paid his first installment back to you guys at the weekend. I hope some of you had a few quid on him scoring, he loves debut goals. But he'll get plenty more you can be sure.
Quick note to the poster who described us as "little Sunderland", ask a few of your fellow posters who they see as traditionally big clubs and I'm sure they'd mention us. If you make a decision on an entire club based on the actions of a few daft fans then you must hate an awful lot of clubs. ;)
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cheers for coming back on flan... me personally, as i know my football, i think sunderland are a massive club... certainly bigger than the barcodes (whos attendance argument doesnt look so flattering pre keegan)...
i am delighted to have bent in... while his all round game isnt world class, he is certainly a top finisher, and his reaction, and anticipation for his debut goal was top class, and certainly something we have missed for many years...
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Agreed. Sunderland are a big club with strong traditions and history and, in my opinion, bigger and more relevant in the game than Newcastle. Who are little more than a circus.
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You can guarantee that, during the discussion of any club other than Villa, there'll be someone who pipes up "horrid little club with delusional supporters and a shit ground".
It an internet law, or ancient custom, or something.
Funniest of these was when someone cited White Hart Lane as a shit ground because "it's too close to the pitch".
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Sunderland are up there with the bigger clubs in the land. Always had good support and tradition.
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Just thought I'd revisit this thread, I agree the death threat stuff is stupid, but every club has an element like that. I see benty paid his first installment back to you guys at the weekend. I hope some of you had a few quid on him scoring, he loves debut goals. But he'll get plenty more you can be sure.
Quick note to the poster who described us as "little Sunderland", ask a few of your fellow posters who they see as traditionally big clubs and I'm sure they'd mention us. If you make a decision on an entire club based on the actions of a few daft fans then you must hate an awful lot of clubs. ;)
Nice to see a decent fan from a good club on this site Flan. Bent is the real deal as you know and we paid big bucks for him. But think Bruce has made himself look a bit of a prick, especially with his record of jumping ship. Good luck for the rest of the season .....