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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: eastie on January 15, 2011, 08:20:25 AM
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BBC and sky breaking news that o neill will take west ham job , and grant will be sacked .how the mighty are fallen?
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Good for him.
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Martin O'Neill's claret and blue army! Oh.... ::)
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Unbelievable if true, given the fact he could not work with Randy under the conditions set here, and then goes and works for Sullivan and Gold!!
What is that all about?
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Right, who can we flog to West Ham then? :)
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At last, a club where the wage budget is the one thing that the owners never tell you to rein in, and the club is at a low ebb where any failure can't be blamed on MON but all success will.
Perfect M.O. for MON
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I'm sure he'll find working for Gold and Sullivan a breeze after working for that stingy tyrant at Villa.
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Petrov Carew warnock davies beye in part ex for Parker and... Oh shit they only have one good player!
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Right, who can we flog to West Ham then? :)
Well, not Stephen Warnock as they have just signed a left back......
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Erm mon at wembley or blues at wembley? Good luck mon hope you beat blues and get pissed on by arsenal! I bet sidwells glad Brady pulled the plug on his deal- maybe mon was lined up and he told them no way to sidwell?
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Erm mon at wembley or blues at wembley? Good luck mon hope you beat blues and get pissed on by arsenal!
MON at Wembley as that will piss them off royally, then Arse to win 8-0 in the final. Easy.
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They're welcome to the devious little cuntface.
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MON + Sullivan + Gold + Brady - bloody hell ????????? !!!!!!
Job number 1 Martin - keep your godlike press reputation in place by getting to Wembley.
Other than that, enjoy working with those ******...you are made for each other.
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He must have been after the Liverpool job again, and when he didn't get it, is settling for West Ham. Bizzare though, surely he could have got a better club like Sunderland / Newcastle in the long run.
Shame we won't have the pleasure of seeing him this season. He'll have probably quit before next.
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He is a strange little man, isn't he?
But that's one of our relegation rivals that could get a whole lot better in the run in.
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Wonder what their fans will make of his brand of football- brought up on the passing game the bubbles will soon be bursting.
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Its nice of the owners to let Avram know who will be taking his job before he's even been sacked.
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He'll keep em up, which is worrying! Keane may go there now.......
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Its nice of the owners to let Avram know who will be taking his job before he's even been sacked.
If reports are true, yep what a dirty way to do business.
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They deserve each other. So much for O'Neill getting a TOP jop eh .
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He is a strange little man, isn't he?
But that's one of our relegation rivals that could get a whole lot better in the run in.
The thing is though, our relegation rivals are basically every team in the league from 8th place downwards. If we finish below West Ham then we will go down. True as that may be I can't see it happening.
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Its nice of the owners to let Avram know who will be taking his job before he's even been sacked.
If reports are true, yep what a dirty way to do business.
Agreed. Making him take charge one last time knowing all that is going to happen is a disgrace, and certainly not what a gentleman like Grant deserves.
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So MON is going to a big London club is he ? Well I suppose they are bigger than Brentford or Orient.
Its over 40 years since a manager left us to and ever got a bigger club.
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I reckon he'll defnitely keep them up. We really need to start pulling away soon
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Says a lot for the morals of o neill to agree to take a job before the manager was even sacked- gold Sullivan Brady and o neill - yes they deserve each other !
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Graham Taylor?!
Plus, we've tended to go for low profile bosses, and haven't tended to be very successful so managers' reputations have rarely been enhanced!
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cant see oneill staying there long with the owners interfering and buying the players they want to.
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Looking forward to your 10M bid for Curtis Davies - useless twat
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Well, I suppose the pressure of getting all his mates a new job was building. Can anybody see West Ham finishing any higher than 6th?
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Edited to make the hideous title a bit more eye-friendly.
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They're welcome to the devious little cuntface.
They deserve each other. That sounds like a marriage made in hell.
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No way sky would break a story like this if it wasn't true- they have had David craig on who had a call at 1 45 am from a senior west ham source leaking him the story - what a shabby way of doing business.
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No way sky would break a story like this if it wasn't true
No, Sky would never make up, exaggerate or embellish a story.
Not after they've done it so many times before.
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How the fook is O'Neil going to be able to work under them lot when he couldnt work with a guy who to all reports he still gets on very well with, has utmost respect in the industry, is a gentleman, does pipe in at any opportunity and doesnt wear a silly Russian hat !!!
Ill give him 6 weeks or until the Liverpool job comes up
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Its nice of the owners to let Avram know who will be taking his job before he's even been sacked.
They call it a handover period ..... although I think the tracksuit will be a little on the large side but on the positive side it should actually fit over Martins head
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The story is breaking all over the media, sky have told that the call came at 1 45 am, the question to ask is why ring sky and leak the story on a big matchday?
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Erm mon at wembley or blues at wembley? Good luck mon hope you beat blues and get pissed on by arsenal! I bet sidwells glad Brady pulled the plug on his deal- maybe mon was lined up and he told them no way to sidwell?
I bet you aint too far from the truth there !!!
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O neill was never going to get the Liverpool job- let the hammers fans celebrate today and then mourn the end of their lovely passing game once mon and robbo get their feet in the door.
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A control freak like O'Neill will soon be throwing his toys working for those fuckwits.
I could not of wished for a better appointment if indeed Grant does go.
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Seems to me that he is happier at a club with expectations that are easy to match and exceed.
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Even if he was never destined for what he perceived as a top job, this'll surely mean he never will get a top job. It truly feels like pantomime.
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good luck to him - best manager we had in many years. brought us out of the mire, built us up to a regular top 6 side. Not sure his brand of football will be overly appreciated there but he's used to people with claret and blue scarves not appreciating him
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How long will the greatest team in the land put up with his hoof ball?
They won the world cup after all
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Even more reason to beat west ham now,cant wait.....the ground will be even more pumped up now...bring them on i say...
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This should at least mean that Blues will not get to Wembley. If O'Neill showed us anything it's that he doesn't lose to small heath. MON is a very good manager and people who think otherwise, of which there are many, need only look at our league positions whist he was at the Villa. Like him or not, we'd all love to be in the top 6 and planning our trip to north London next month over where we are now.
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Couple of shit seasons at the arse end of the league, some undignified public slagging off from brady, inevitable sacking. I'd love his career to go out like that. Not that I'm bitter, like.
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In many he ways he has houiliers problem
in reverse- a passing team that plays the opposite to his style of play.
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This should at least mean that Blues will not get to Wembley. If O'Neill showed us anything it's that he doesn't lose to small heath. MON is a very good manager and people who think otherwise, of which there are many, need only look at our league positions whist he was at the Villa. Like him or not, we'd all love to be in the top 6 and planning our trip to north London next month over where we are now.
football dont work like that sunshine...if only it was that simple we would all be managers....
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That will be West Ham staying up then.
We need to pull away fucking soon, they will go on a big run. Shit, we have to play them at their place he will have them busting a gut to smash us.
Small Heath will be fucked it the semi's though.
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Let's hope the porno dwarf sells Parker today and then MON can resign before he's even started
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I can't see this lasting 5 minutes.
Man face Brady, The Porno Pygmy and Mr Tumnus love nothing better than bleating to the press about poor team performances. Zola and Grant were given a hard time by them.
I can't see ego maniac man child O'Neill putting up with that.
He's too arrogant to be questioned and especially in such a public way.
He'll be looking back on his Villa days as the ultimate dream job soon, waking up in the night sweating and thinking
'Why did I fuck it all up?'
His mentor Clough always used to say
'NEVER walk out of a job, if you feel like you want to, sleep on it, if you wake up and feel the same way, keep sleeping on it until you change your mind.'
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BBC also now confirming this story on ceefax and radio.
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This should at least mean that Blues will not get to Wembley. If O'Neill showed us anything it's that he doesn't lose to small heath. MON is a very good manager and people who think otherwise, of which there are many, need only look at our league positions whist he was at the Villa. Like him or not, we'd all love to be in the top 6 and planning our trip to north London next month over where we are now.
football dont work like that sunshine...if only it was that simple we would all be managers....
Sunshine? Are you not supposed to be signing in at your local constabulary sometime about now or do they let you off on a weekend?
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We may well have finished 6th twice or whatever under O'Neill but that was hardly any great achievement given the oodles of money spent. It just meant we were the best of a very long and average tail to the premier league. Look at it now, Bolton and Sunderland in and around those positions, they are barely any better than us in all honesty and it is just their turn to be at the head of that very long tail. Plus we had two very easy cup runs which flattered to deceive. The football was awful, so have been many of the signings (although with a degree of hindsight granted), and if not awful, they were certainly hugely over-priced. I would have loved to see O'Neill take this team forward this season and be sixth with no signings and all those injuries. And as for finishing 6th, since when was that so great and such a fantastic achievement? My grandfather who, granted, watched Villa when they were the best team in the land with Arsenal, would turn in his grave to think we ever finished as low as sixth!!! I wasn't brought up as a Villa fan to ever think 6th was good enough...
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please please please please let this be true. I hope the club are busy adding an extra nought to all our deadwood's prices.
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Even more reason to beat west ham now,cant wait.....the ground will be even more pumped up now...bring them on i say...
I'd have thought that your ground would have a kind of resigned acceptance of the inevitable defeat, was it nine games undefeated against you?
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i reckon MOn will be a success at West Ham, top half finishes, one or two good cup runs,
as long as he gets 100mill to spend of coarse !!
if not, it wont last long
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His mentor Clough always used to say 'NEVER walk out of a job, if you feel like you want to, sleep on it, if you wake up and feel the same way, keep sleeping on it until you change your mind.'
Didn't he walk out on Derby and Brighton?
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I can't believe he'd go there after walking out on us it's like leaving Tess Daly and shacking up with Susan Boyle.
He must think if he can keep them in the division, get them in the top half of the table next season like Bolton or Sunderland restore his rep then waltz into Anfield at some point next season or even Man Utd or Chelsea.
But lets face it given our current position with his team you can just see the sky pundits sat there dribbling on about how he did a hell of a job at Villa over achieving, getting us to the verge of the Champions league. Why coudn't he just bugger off to Azerbaijan or Malaysia so we could forget he exists? :o
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He'll get them to stay up this season, then top 10 the following season. May not get them much beyond that, but Hammers fans won't be complaining for a while given that they've been on the brink of relegation for the last couple of seasons.
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Don't worry nasher- it is true!
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The good news is that with his record against Blues, at least we won't see that lot in the League Cup final.
The bad news is that whilst no doubt many Villa fans will crow about how the mighty have fallen, his undoubted motivational skills and ability to initially lift the whole club (remember?), will mean that's one less club that are going to fill a relegation place.
The whole "there are three worse teams than us and they all begin with a W" argument has this morning become even weaker.
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Its nice of the owners to let Avram know who will be taking his job before he's even been sacked.
If reports are true, yep what a dirty way to do business.
Agreed. Making him take charge one last time knowing all that is going to happen is a disgrace, and certainly not what a gentleman like Grant deserves.
Grant - a gentleman? Wasn't he the prem manager frequenting a knocking shop in Portsmouth?
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If this really happens it will surprise me even more than Mon's sudden exit. Nothing wrong with the club but surely he is far too intelligent to work with that crew.
I cannot fathom this at all unless the fault lies with all of us who post on here. Can we all be so wrong about everything?
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Looking beyond all the fantasy and bullshit regarding O'Neils cold and calculated attempted destruction of Villa, this is not good news for us.
West Ham are serious rivals to us in an attempt to stay in the league. Despite the revision of history on here, MON has a solid managerial record and will undoubtedly improve them, certainly in the short term. Lets hope we experience an upturn in form so that we can look on with interest rather than concern.
It is a strange decision for MON to go to West Ham considerning the people in charge and you can only see it ending in tears.
But maybe it's all part of his master plan to fuck the Villa? Keep West Ham up and send us down?
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He'll get them to stay up this season, then top 10 the following season. May not get them much beyond that, but Hammers fans won't be complaining for a while given that they've been on the brink of relegation for the last couple of seasons.
It will unravel after a bright start. Of that, you can be pretty sure I think. As a villa fan, you just need to sit, watch and take it all in with a knowing smile. And yes, it will be irritating as hell for a while, but no more so than all the King Kenny and Spurs love in crap we have to currently endure!
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Beat Blues. Then lose every game between now and the end of the season.. unless they play Blues again. I'll still give him a clap though if West Ham come back to Villa park next season.
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And as for finishing 6th, since when was that so great and such a fantastic achievement? My grandfather who, granted, watched Villa when they were the best team in the land with Arsenal, would turn in his grave to think we ever finished as low as sixth!!! I wasn't brought up as a Villa fan to ever think 6th was good enough...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/table/default.stm
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Why are people assuming west ham will now be safe? O neill has a style of play very different to the way west ham players are used to , it will take time to adjust and I would still back us to finish above them.
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I'm sure MON would see this as some sort of stepping stone after he realised his reputation isn't as high as he thought. But you've gotta say you can't see it lasting with both a board and manager with massive ego's. Lets see if he can do anything with sod all money
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I'm still stunned at this possibility. My own feeling is it must be Porno-Dwarf's plan to distract fans from the fact that he is actually going to hire Karren to be manager. It is probably deliberate bullshit and Mon has not even spoken with them.
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And as for finishing 6th, since when was that so great and such a fantastic achievement? My grandfather who, granted, watched Villa when they were the best team in the land with Arsenal, would turn in his grave to think we ever finished as low as sixth!!! I wasn't brought up as a Villa fan to ever think 6th was good enough...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/table/default.stm
Sunderland, Bolton, Newcastle and Blackpool occupying 6th to 10th. Thanks for proving my point at how crap you can be and still in the upper echelons of the league! What a load of average rubbish, seven points ahead of us, two games difference.
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The good news is that with his record against Blues, at least we won't see that lot in the League Cup final.
The bad news is that whilst no doubt many Villa fans will crow about how the mighty have fallen, his undoubted motivational skills and ability to initially lift the whole club (remember?), will mean that's one less club that are going to fill a relegation place.
The whole "there are three worse teams than us and they all begin with a W" argument has this morning become even weaker.
Wolves
Wigan
West Brom
We'll be alright.
Anyway, his teams never win a game after Feb.
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And as for finishing 6th, since when was that so great and such a fantastic achievement? My grandfather who, granted, watched Villa when they were the best team in the land with Arsenal, would turn in his grave to think we ever finished as low as sixth!!! I wasn't brought up as a Villa fan to ever think 6th was good enough...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/table/default.stm
Sunderland, Bolton, Newcastle and Blackpool occupying 6th to 10th. Thanks for proving my point at how crap you can be and still in the upper echelons of the league! What a load of average rubbish, seven points ahead of us, two games difference.
How the hell can you compare finishing 6th 3 years in a row (with a progressively better points tally) to Bolton "occupying" 6th place half way through the season? You really do not want to give any credit to O'Neill do you? What would you say if a Spurs fan or a Blues fan took the piss out of the Villa? I guess they wouldn't have to if you are going to constantly undermine our recent achievements.
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MON working for Sullivan? That'll end well.
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Amazing of true.
He will probably keep 'em up though.
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Oh this will be fascinating won't it. I give him till April, but certainly not past the summer. And the pay off will be huge. As if West Ham could be anymore the media darlings too.
They will stay up though. If they can score goals at home.
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Unfortunately, I fully expect West Ham to survive now. They've got just about enough quality to stay up, and O Neill will give them a boost. In fact I think they'll probably finish higher than ourselves now sadly. As long as they don't finish 17th, I don't care!
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I hope it gives them a boost enough to get to Wembley in the league cup !!
How on earth will MON get on with that board God only knows.
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And as for finishing 6th, since when was that so great and such a fantastic achievement? My grandfather who, granted, watched Villa when they were the best team in the land with Arsenal, would turn in his grave to think we ever finished as low as sixth!!! I wasn't brought up as a Villa fan to ever think 6th was good enough...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/table/default.stm
Work in progress, lets see at the end of the season. Next season will be much better I'm sure.
Lets not forget MON left us at a time which was not good for this football club. He should have gone last May when we all thought it was going to happen. We may have seen a whole different outlook now.
A manager could have come in, had a chance to see who was willing to play his way, shipped some out shipped some in.
MON and the tits in charge of West Ham deserve each other.
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And as for finishing 6th, since when was that so great and such a fantastic achievement? My grandfather who, granted, watched Villa when they were the best team in the land with Arsenal, would turn in his grave to think we ever finished as low as sixth!!! I wasn't brought up as a Villa fan to ever think 6th was good enough...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/table/default.stm
Sunderland, Bolton, Newcastle and Blackpool occupying 6th to 10th. Thanks for proving my point at how crap you can be and still in the upper echelons of the league! What a load of average rubbish, seven points ahead of us, two games difference.
How the hell can you compare finishing 6th 3 years in a row (with a progressively better points tally) to Bolton "occupying" 6th place half way through the season? You really do not want to give any credit to O'Neill do you? What would you say if a Spurs fan or a Blues fan took the piss out of the Villa? I guess they wouldn't have to if you are going to constantly undermine our recent achievements.
As I said, I don't attach any great excitement to finishing 6th for the last three seasons. I'm far more disappointed we didn't finish higher given the money we spent. Sixth is just the head of a very, very long tail of mediocrity in the premier league and for me, in all honesty, that is all we ever were. I managed to forget that sometimes when I was at games and to think we were the dogs you know what, but the feeling was always there and what's more, most of my friends who have no axe to grind with the Villa, thought the same. Only my opinion mind you, no need to get so steamed up about it, best we move on as no point in boring people on here!!!!
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And as for finishing 6th, since when was that so great and such a fantastic achievement? My grandfather who, granted, watched Villa when they were the best team in the land with Arsenal, would turn in his grave to think we ever finished as low as sixth!!! I wasn't brought up as a Villa fan to ever think 6th was good enough...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/table/default.stm
Sunderland, Bolton, Newcastle and Blackpool occupying 6th to 10th. Thanks for proving my point at how crap you can be and still in the upper echelons of the league! What a load of average rubbish, seven points ahead of us, two games difference.
How the hell can you compare finishing 6th 3 years in a row (with a progressively better points tally) to Bolton "occupying" 6th place half way through the season? You really do not want to give any credit to O'Neill do you? What would you say if a Spurs fan or a Blues fan took the piss out of the Villa? I guess they wouldn't have to if you are going to constantly undermine our recent achievements.
Giving credit to MON doesn't fit the picture of a "devious c**t" perpetrated on here day after day. The posts on here remind me of a jilted girlfriend, full of bitterness and recrimination, unable to face up to the truth and inventing a fantasty upon which to pour forth all the hatred boiling up inside and to claim that the relationship was crap in the first place.
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Lol he will be gone by this time next year due to interference fronthe board. Lack of funds and board interference. He won't stand for that. I would love them to sack him though before he walks away
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Have their board got some incoming finance into the club to offer?
He's a cheque book manager, so i'll be amazed if he's gone there knowing he has very little to spend.
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MON did a decent job at Villa, he wasted a hell of a lot of money though. I think it is bad news for us though as whatever anybody thinks he gets the best out of average players(and then walking away) and has made a career from it.
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So much petty spite on this thread. It's a very good appointment for them.
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So much petty spite on this thread. It's a very good appointment for them.
You're right Chris, we shouldn't be like that to him.
It's not as if he ever did us any wrong.
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So much petty spite on this thread. It's a very good appointment for them.
I would say 'it may be' Chris. And, you are probably right. In the short-term I think though. Which is perhaps all they want and who can blame them. However, none of us can say how it will pan out for sure...
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Ah he is gone Chris, you can admit that he had faults now surely?
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And as for finishing 6th, since when was that so great and such a fantastic achievement? My grandfather who, granted, watched Villa when they were the best team in the land with Arsenal, would turn in his grave to think we ever finished as low as sixth!!! I wasn't brought up as a Villa fan to ever think 6th was good enough...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/table/default.stm
Sunderland, Bolton, Newcastle and Blackpool occupying 6th to 10th. Thanks for proving my point at how crap you can be and still in the upper echelons of the league! What a load of average rubbish, seven points ahead of us, two games difference.
How the hell can you compare finishing 6th 3 years in a row (with a progressively better points tally) to Bolton "occupying" 6th place half way through the season? You really do not want to give any credit to O'Neill do you? What would you say if a Spurs fan or a Blues fan took the piss out of the Villa? I guess they wouldn't have to if you are going to constantly undermine our recent achievements.
As I said, I don't attach any great excitement to finishing 6th for the last three seasons. I'm far more disappointed we didn't finish higher given the money we spent. Sixth is just the head of a very, very long tail of mediocrity in the premier league and for me, in all honesty, that is all we ever were. I managed to forget that sometimes when I was at games and to think we were the dogs you know what, but the feeling was always there and what's more, most of my friends who have no axe to grind with the Villa, thought the same. Only my opinion mind you, no need to get so steamed up about it, best we move on as no point in boring people on here!!!!
We increased our points total every year that MON was in charge, did you not enjoy that at least? 6th place happened to be the best of the rest as opposed to "the end of a long tail of mediocrity" and we were improving year on year. When you get to the level of being the best team outside the Champions League places (Man City don't count cos their money is ridiculous) it get's harder and harder to progress, yet we did, not in league places but in points and that is all you can ask.
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16th of April, we go to WHam. If he survives Gollivan's madness 'til then, that will be an interesting game.
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Think it will all collapse when they sit him down to sign anyway. MON will insist on complete control of all contracts including his own. Brady will put on an apprentice style video montage of MON's time at Villa and Gold will interrogate him Alan Sugar-style, on why he couldn't do anything more than hoofball with 80m, and Martin will storm out in a huff after turning down unlimited hookers and a Ann Summers chargecard
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Yer, sure, I enjoyed being 4th for a while, never being 6th though
Wembley twice was good until reality sunk in on the day
You are probably right, 6th was probably the best we could ever hope for...
Sigh, to think it has come to that eh!
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Being reported that it's only going to be an initial 6 month deal - i.e. long enough to keep them up. Like him for what he did at the Villa, or loathe him for what he ended up doing to the Villa, he will provide the 'new manager bump start' at Wham which Houllier has so far failed to deliver for us.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/9362709.stm
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2011/01/15/martin-oneill-to-replace-avram-grant-at-west-ham-united/
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One of the things I loved about MON (prior to his departure of course) was his integrity, I'm really surprised that he is getting mixed up with that lot down there, it will all end in tears, if it ever starts.
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6th would be impressive if DOL hadn't got it on a fraction of the money, while the likes of Gregory and Little managed better still
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Rumours that it is a 6 month contract with a massive bonus for surviving relegation and not walking out like a scolded child.
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6th would be impressive if DOL hadn't got it on a fraction of the money, while the likes of Gregory and Little managed better still
TBF the emergence of Man City and Spurs hasn't helped. Under DOL we finished behind a rather average Newcastle and an unconvincing Liverpool whereas last season I don't think we finished behind any average sides at all.
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O'Neill will galvanise West Ham. They'll easily stay up this season, then improve in the next couple of years as O'Neill attracts some decent players for exorbitant transfer fees and ridiculous wage demands. Eventually, he'll fall foul of Frodo and Tumnus and walk out, taking his cone men with him. West Ham fans will then declare him to be a complete ******.
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One of the things I loved about MON (prior to his departure of course) was his integrity, I'm really surprised that he is getting mixed up with that lot down there, it will all end in tears, if it ever starts.
his integrity was all spin. you'd have to be pretty low to take over another manager's job before he's been sacked
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He will keep them up in the short term and then leave when the Liverpool job becomes available.
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why would anyone think martin o neill will get the liverpool job? villa was as big as it gets for mon .
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Just imagine if Sidwell had gone to West Ham. The poor bloke would have probably drowned in his own tears.
MON will keep West Ham up, just. It will be interesting to see how he gets on with Gollivan.
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why would anyone think martin o neill will get the liverpool job? villa was as big as it gets for mon .
If they gave it to Hodgson.....
Anyway, I think he will do well at West Ham, hasn't he everywhere he's been? (Before walking out)
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One of the things I loved about MON (prior to his departure of course) was his integrity, I'm really surprised that he is getting mixed up with that lot down there, it will all end in tears, if it ever starts.
you'd have to be pretty low to take over another manager's job before he's been sacked
Hence the surprise.
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If reports are true, yep what a dirty way to do business.
Grant - a gentleman? Wasn't he the prem manager frequenting a knocking shop in Portsmouth?
What's that got to do with it? I presume it was a fair transaction between consenting adults and he didn't knock the ladies about. He's always seemed an alright bloke to me. Doesn't give the impression of being an especially inspirational manager but he did a very reasonable job at Chelsea (better than Scolari, for example) and couldn't really be held responsible for the circus at Portsmouth. He could reasonably argue that he hasn't been given a proper chance anywhere yet.
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why would anyone think martin o neill will get the liverpool job? villa was as big as it gets for mon .
spot on. I think he has been hanging around for the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' job and then Kenny from south park got the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' job , MON then made his interest known to spammers... MON thinks hes good enough for a top job, so do the media , but he isnt..
it would end in tears ..
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If reports are true, yep what a dirty way to do business.
Grant - a gentleman? Wasn't he the prem manager frequenting a knocking shop in Portsmouth?
What's that got to do with it? I presume it was a fair transaction between consenting adults and he didn't knock the ladies about. He's always seemed an alright bloke to me. Doesn't give the impression of being an especially inspirational manager but he did a very reasonable job at Chelsea (better than Scolari, for example) and couldn't really be held responsible for the circus at Portsmouth. He could reasonably argue that he hasn't been given a proper chance anywhere yet.
I think when adam says knocking shop he means 'Gentleman's club'.
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Ah he is gone Chris, you can admit that he had faults now surely?
Far more easily than most of you can admit to his qualities.
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Despite his faults (and he had a few of them) he did a decent job here and i wish him luck. The way he stood up to Liverpool over the Barry saga is one of the things i'll remember him for. It kind of went downhill for the Scousers from that point.
West Ham are getting a very good manager. It's a shame they're treating their present one like shit, but that's what we've come to expect from the bastards in charge there.
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I'd be amazed if this happens.
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mons best quality was his motivational skills , he could get players up for games and he always put out a team that would give 100%- granted he had many faults but he did have qualities to.
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If reports are true, yep what a dirty way to do business.
Grant - a gentleman? Wasn't he the prem manager frequenting a knocking shop in Portsmouth?
What's that got to do with it? I presume it was a fair transaction between consenting adults and he didn't knock the ladies about. He's always seemed an alright bloke to me. Doesn't give the impression of being an especially inspirational manager but he did a very reasonable job at Chelsea (better than Scolari, for example) and couldn't really be held responsible for the circus at Portsmouth. He could reasonably argue that he hasn't been given a proper chance anywhere yet.
I think when adam says knocking shop he means 'Gentleman's club'.
I think he was right first time.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1248528/Avram-Grants-wife-defends-Pompey-boss-husband-brothel-visit-saying-He-likes-body.html
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MoN is a good manager but his many faults (as seen time after time when at VP) means that he has a natural ceiling as to where he can take a team. At Villa he ruled supreme, was given unquestioned support by the vast majority of supporters and given a huge amount of cash to spend. His natural ceiling was 6th. A better manager would have got us into the top 4 for at least one season and won us a a cup.
At West Ham he will neither have the funds or rule supreme over the Brady bunch. The fans will hate his football but will forgive this for the shorterm if they stay up. He knows that his natural ceiling would be about 15th in these conditions. So his remit will be simple - keep them up. If he achives this then it will enhance his brand and he can move on.
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If true, It's a brilliant appointment for them, no doubt.
I don't think now O'Neill can keep up his holier than thou facade which he had previously in the game. He properly left us in the shit when he left and now he's basically agreed to take a job at a club who already have a manager. We can probably put the O'Neill era behind us now, it was fun while it lasted but I'd be surprised if he gets anywhere near the money he had at Villa to change an average squad.
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Ah he is gone Chris, you can admit that he had faults now surely?
Far more easily than most of you can admit to his qualities.
*passes tissues to chris*
Move on, he doesn't love you anymore
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Ah he is gone Chris, you can admit that he had faults now surely?
Far more easily than most of you can admit to his qualities.
*passes tissues to chris*
Move on, he doesn't love you anymore
It's not only Chris that needs tissues, this site has'nt gone a day without mentioning his name since he left.
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your a cruel man nasher ha ha, o neill didnt like interference from faulkner maybe but he will have far worse from the brady bunch - it will end in tears.
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Ah he is gone Chris, you can admit that he had faults now surely?
Far more easily than most of you can admit to his qualities.
*passes tissues to chris*
Move on, he doesn't love you anymore
It's not only Chris that needs tissues, this site has'nt gone a day without mentioning his name since he left.
human nature. if someone dumps on you from a great height you're going to remember it.
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For fucks sake Gregory, grow up will you.
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For fucks sake Gregory, grow up will you.
No offence meant chris. Just concerned for you.
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Great news. Good luck in the semi-final Mart.
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Good luck to him and West Ham if its true,but as others have said i can't believe he'd get involved with those clowns,especially while they have a manager in charge,doesn't seem his style.
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Rumours that it is a 6 month contract with a massive bonus for surviving relegation and not walking out like a scolded child.
That would make sense for both Parties. No opportunity for MON to get involved in contracts and signing players. Just being brought in to organise and motivate the players he has, which is what he is good at. They stay up - MoN is a hero, they go down - he did the best he could with players and the time he had. No lose situation for MON, and leaves him free to pursue other jobs in the Summer with his reputation reinstated if not enhanced.
In the meantime the Brady bunch improve their chances of Premiership survival, and if not are at least guaranteed 5 months in the limelight and a hours of Sky coverage from the MON mediafest.
The only problem for MON is that he might come to be seen as the managerial equivalent of the "supersub". The modern day Terry Venables. Only employed for for 5 months of the year by mediocre clubs in the s**t.
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Good luck to him and West Ham if its true,but as others have said i can't believe he'd get involved with those clowns,especially while they have a manager in charge,doesn't seem his style.
MoN showing poor judgement? Surely not...
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Good luck to him and West Ham if its true,but as others have said i can't believe he'd get involved with those clowns,especially while they have a manager in charge,doesn't seem his style.
i'm guessing he's furious that this has come out before grant's been disposed of. not much good for the image especially as there's an unspoken rule that you don't dump on another manager.
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It will be a short term contract if the reports are correct.
I can't see O'Neill working with the porn kings and Brady for too long, far too many egos.
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Radio 5 presenter seemed to think that MON to WH was a done deal.
However, Pat Murphy was less sure for three reasons:-
1) Pat says that MON likes to take his time and weigh everything up; whereas WH will want a quick decision.
2) Managing a club to relegation would harm MON's reputation even more than his abandoning Villa.
3) MON won't take kindly to the interference of Sullivan/Gold or the newspaper witterings of Karren
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I'd be more surprised if he went on a 4 month contract- I would expect him to look for his usual year rolling deal- football focus have said grant was told on thurs night and Steve walford apparently very happy at going back to west ham- I'm sure o neill will not like the way this has come out , but clearly he has agreed the deal behind grants back , would probably be him who put the block on the sidwell deal.
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jonathon pearce said on the tv that they've been talking to MON for weeks and grant was given the push thursday
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If we were only having a 'normal' or average season. I'd love this.
But as it stands, he's quite capable of giving a short term lift to a new club. Could be at our expense the way things are going.
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Perhaps now we can have some closure around MON, players, officials and fans
Time to move on and start racking the points up
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One of the things I loved about MON (prior to his departure of course) was his integrity, I'm really surprised that he is getting mixed up with that lot down there, it will all end in tears, if it ever starts.
his integrity was all spin. you'd have to be pretty low to take over another manager's job before he's been sacked
Grant completed his pay off negotiations on Thursday.
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One of the things I loved about MON (prior to his departure of course) was his integrity, I'm really surprised that he is getting mixed up with that lot down there, it will all end in tears, if it ever starts.
his integrity was all spin. you'd have to be pretty low to take over another manager's job before he's been sacked
Grant completed his pay off negotiations on Thursday.
So who will be in charge tonight
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I can't believe he's going to go to West Ham.
Firstly, there's not going to be a lot of money there.
Secondly, they're bottom of the league and it's a big risk to Brand O'Neill.
Thirdly, if he couldn't get on with Lerner at the end, how's he going to manage with the Porndwarf and his simpleton friend?
Fourthly, even after the way he fucked us over in the summer, I'd imagine he would have a little bit of respect for other people in the game, and replacing Grant after WH have treated him so shittily doesn't seem the sort of thing you'd think he'd get involved with.
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I think we're being a little precious about him replacing Grant. Almost every appointment is because some other manager has been shafted and we were all calling for Villa to go after a manager who was already employed.
My only conern is about Villa and I think that it gives a boost to a current rival which I'd rather they didn't have as it makes our job that bit harder.
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I can't believe he's going to go to West Ham.
Firstly, there's not going to be a lot of money there.
Secondly, they're bottom of the league and it's a big risk to Brand O'Neill.
Thirdly, if he couldn't get on with Lerner at the end, how's he going to manage with the Porndwarf and his simpleton friend?
Fourthly, even after the way he fucked us over in the summer, I'd imagine he would have a little bit of respect for other people in the game, and replacing Grant after WH have treated him so shittily doesn't seem the sort of thing you'd think he'd get involved with.
I agree with all the above, especially about how he'll get on with the owners. They're the rent a quote mob, not publicity shy - MON's ego must be even bigger than people thought if he thinks he'll work well with them.
I'm beginning to think MON's integrity is a myth.
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Before today I really wanted West Ham to get relegated. Now I desperately want them to get relegated. The big question is, who do I want to win the League Cup semi now? Tough call.
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Giving credit to MON doesn't fit the picture of a "devious c**t" perpetrated on here day after day. The posts on here remind me of a jilted girlfriend, full of bitterness and recrimination, unable to face up to the truth and inventing a fantasty upon which to pour forth all the hatred boiling up inside and to claim that the relationship was crap in the first place.
Agrred. I think he'll keep them up and win the League Cup. How many of their players have we been linked with over the last 3 years?
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Before today I really wanted West Ham to get relegated. Now I desperately want them to get relegated. The big question is, who do I want to win the League Cup semi now? Tough call.
How ridiculous.
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Rumours that it is a 6 month contract with a massive bonus for surviving relegation and not walking out like a scolded child.
That would make sense for both Parties. No opportunity for MON to get involved in contracts and signing players. Just being brought in to organise and motivate the players he has, which is what he is good at. They stay up - MoN is a hero, they go down - he did the best he could with players and the time he had. No lose situation for MON, and leaves him free to pursue other jobs in the Summer with his reputation reinstated if not enhanced...
What they said.
I'm a bit torn about Wet Spam generally. I still don't like the fact the club got away with the whole Tevez confusion and I really don't like their current owners. But I've really liked all my trips there and have found the fans to be friendly and knowledgable. And despite what everyone else thinks, I'm still a MON admirer and can see some of the reasons why he walked when he did, even if I don't like the situation it left us in as a result.
Right now, we need as many other teams to be struggling as possible, so this is potentially bad news for us.
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Before today I really wanted West Ham to get relegated. Now I desperately want them to get relegated. The big question is, who do I want to win the League Cup semi now? Tough call.
How ridiculous.
Agreed.
I want Martin to stick four or five goals up the fuckers.
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Before today I really wanted West Ham to get relegated. Now I desperately want them to get relegated. The big question is, who do I want to win the League Cup semi now? Tough call.
WHU. Then for Arsenal or Ipswich to win the Final.
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Before today I really wanted West Ham to get relegated. Now I desperately want them to get relegated. The big question is, who do I want to win the League Cup semi now? Tough call.
How ridiculous.
Not really. Even if you take MON out of the equation, it makes sense for Villa fans to hope West Ham get relegated, as it is one of the relegation places taken.
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I'd expect mon to try and sign petrov , regarding the league cup I can't see anyone stopping arsenal
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I really want West Ham to go down now, not only for the way O'Neill treated us at the end but also the way they've treated Grant. But I want them to get to the League Cup final and lose.
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Before today I really wanted West Ham to get relegated. Now I desperately want them to get relegated. The big question is, who do I want to win the League Cup semi now? Tough call.
How ridiculous.
Not really. Even if you take MON out of the equation, it makes sense for Villa fans to hope West Ham get relegated, as it is one of the relegation places taken.
I think Clampy was referring to the Cup. I think most Villa fans would prefer West Ham to be relegated than us.
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This makes less sense than anything I've heard for a long time.
Money to spend - doesn't look like it.
Autonomy - I doubt it with that lot.
His brand of football - definitely not.
Most of all, he's lining up to take a job before the current incumbent is sacked. That's not on and will lose him a lot of respect.
It's a strange one.
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C'mon...Pauliewalnuts....a big risk to brand O'Neil???????l....I can't believe you could think this...
On the contrary, the West Ham Job is a perfect job to promote Brand O'Neill.
They are bottom of the league but not adrift...As long as he finishes outside the bottom 3, he's done nothing but enhance his reputation...
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This makes less sense than anything I've heard for a long time.
Money to spend - doesn't look like it.
Autonomy - I doubt it with that lot.
His brand of football - definitely not.
Most of all, he's lining up to take a job before the current incumbent is sacked. That's not on and will lose him a lot of respect.
It's a strange one.
Empathy with a general dislike for the Villa hierarchy. Will be seen as the saviour again if he keeps them up.
David "Pigs in mud" Gold and O'Neill can have a right good bitch about a certain General Charles Krulak as well.
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Before today I really wanted West Ham to get relegated. Now I desperately want them to get relegated. The big question is, who do I want to win the League Cup semi now? Tough call.
How ridiculous.
Not really. Even if you take MON out of the equation, it makes sense for Villa fans to hope West Ham get relegated, as it is one of the relegation places taken.
I think Clampy was referring to the Cup. I think most Villa fans would prefer West Ham to be relegated than us.
I wonder about some of them, to be honest.
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Before today I really wanted West Ham to get relegated. Now I desperately want them to get relegated. The big question is, who do I want to win the League Cup semi now? Tough call.
How ridiculous.
Not really. Even if you take MON out of the equation, it makes sense for Villa fans to hope West Ham get relegated, as it is one of the relegation places taken.
I think Clampy was referring to the Cup. I think most Villa fans would prefer West Ham to be relegated than us.
I wonder about some of them, to be honest.
Me too. Different ones though probably.
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I had been reasonably confident that West Ham would fill one of the 3 relegation spots. I'm now reasonably confident they won't fill one of the 3 relegation spots. I was already worried about relegation for us, this makes our prospects bleaker.
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I had been reasonably confident that West Ham would fill one of the 3 relegation spots. I'm now reasonably confident they won't fill one of the 3 relegation spots. I was already worried about relegation for us, this makes our prospects bleaker.
Undoubtedly.
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don't worry,, if you read the "other matches" thread..you can see that most on here think Liverpool will take one of the bottom 3 spots - feel better now?
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How sweet would it be when we stuff them at their place - O'Neill shaking Houllier's hand with a shit-eating grin.
Hoofball vs la méthode française
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don't worry,, if you read the "other matches" thread..you can see that most on here think Liverpool will take one of the bottom 3 spots - feel better now?
Doesn't fill me with confidence. A couple of years ago most on here thought they'd be in the top four for the next hundred years.
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don't worry,, if you read the "other matches" thread..you can see that most on here think Liverpool will take one of the bottom 3 spots - feel better now?
Doesn't fill me with confidence. A couple of years ago most on here thought they'd be in the top four for the next hundred years.
I can see you cueing yourself up to mention it again, Perc.
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This makes less sense than anything I've heard for a long time.
Money to spend - doesn't look like it.
Autonomy - I doubt it with that lot.
His brand of football - definitely not.
Most of all, he's lining up to take a job before the current incumbent is sacked. That's not on and will lose him a lot of respect.
It's a strange one.
it's what I was thinking. It's almost exactly the opposite model to which he had with this, it's not at like him to do the last thing either. Why wouldn't he just sit out the season. I'm sure there will be some decent jobs in the summer. And surely, there are better employers to pin your flag to than Brady, Gold and Sullivan however much you might miss the game. Bizarre.
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Before today I really wanted West Ham to get relegated. Now I desperately want them to get relegated. The big question is, who do I want to win the League Cup semi now? Tough call.
How ridiculous.
Not really. Even if you take MON out of the equation, it makes sense for Villa fans to hope West Ham get relegated, as it is one of the relegation places taken.
I think Clampy was referring to the Cup. I think most Villa fans would prefer West Ham to be relegated than us.
Yes, i was referring to the Cup. I find it odd and a little sad that a Villa fan can hate a previous manager of ours so much that they'd even contemplate wanting Blues to get to Wembley over him. I'd even want DOL to beat Blues if he was West Ham manager.
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I don't hate O'Neill.
I resent him for the way he shat on my club, though, and I wish him ill in his future endeavours.
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don't worry,, if you read the "other matches" thread..you can see that most on here think Liverpool will take one of the bottom 3 spots - feel better now?
Doesn't fill me with confidence. A couple of years ago most on here thought they'd be in the top four for the next hundred years.
I can see you cueing yourself up to mention it again, Perc.
No I won't. Thanks for setting me up though.
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Don't do it O'Neill :(
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I don't hate O'Neill.
I resent him for the way he shat on my club, though, and I wish him ill in his future endeavours.
Me too. Don't know for sure what went on, but I'd have a lot more respect remaning for him if he'd have gone in May. Still think he's a good manager though, obv.
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he was always going to come back to some team in the PL. If we had to choose which one then West Ham would have been amongst the top three choices because of the wankers in charge. Now, having said that I still want them to get to the cup final over the shit. Like Paulie, I have a lot of time for MON, but he went down a lot in my estimations for the way the final chapter of his time at Villa was written.
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Bad news for us. Everyone except us and West Ham are battling to save themselves. Now West Ham will be giving it a go. That just leaves us.
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I had been reasonably confident that West Ham would fill one of the 3 relegation spots. I'm now reasonably confident they won't fill one of the 3 relegation spots. I was already worried about relegation for us, this makes our prospects bleaker.
Yep, although it will give me even more of a reason to hate the hammers for the rest of the season, or for as long as MON is there.
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MON and his team of Cloughie disciples will do anything to live the Life of Brian. I suppose he thinks that Spam are his Nottingham Forest.
Well - he is not the Messiah, he is a very naught boy!
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I don't hate O'Neill.
I resent him for the way he shat on my club, though, and I wish him ill in his future endeavours.
I don't hate Mon either, there's no reason too.
I'll admit I'm pleased he has shown his true colours again. He shit on Leicester, Celtic, especially us when it suited him and now has to face media speculation if he joins them in such nasty circumstances.
In fact I feel a little sorry for those who still try to justify him, if he gets the job from Grant in such circumstances, its little wonder they are so embittered at being proved so, so wrong.
Good luck to him, as long as it ensures their relegation and our prosperity, that's all that really matters.
Perhaps the Porn kings have made the right choice, they haven't before now, so it could be a first.
I wonder what Randy and his Board are thinking.
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Bad news for us. Everyone except us and West Ham are battling to save themselves. Now West Ham will be giving it a go. That just leaves us.
what the hell are you talking about?
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Bad news for us. Everyone except us and West Ham are battling to save themselves. Now West Ham will be giving it a go. That just leaves us.
what the hell are you talking about?
He's right. Our shocking, lazy performances are not down to the players lack of ability, but their lack of heart and seeming inability to understand what Houllier wants of them.
Where was the fight at Liverpool? In fact where has the fight gone, full stop? Think back on the GH league games and ask why we can play against United but can't be bothered anywhere else.
We are just not battling.
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How about when we went behind at the end of the Chelsea game?
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Bad news for us. Everyone except us and West Ham are battling to save themselves. Now West Ham will be giving it a go. That just leaves us.
what the hell are you talking about?
He's right. Our shocking, lazy performances are not down to the players lack of ability, but their lack of heart and seeming inability to understand what Houllier wants of them.
Where was the fight at Liverpool? In fact where has the fight gone, full stop? Think back on the GH league games and ask why we can play against United but can't be bothered anywhere else.
We are just not battling.
so we're NOT going to be battling to save ourselves? Is that what you're suggesting? It's not about what has happened. It's about what is going to happen from this point forward.
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well...look on the bright side..Allardyce is still going to be looking for a job...he'll be our saviour
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How about when we went behind at the end of the Chelsea game?
And how about three days later at home to Sunderland?
The team have got to start battling from now, because every other team down the bottom end of the table will and if we don't we'll lose games.
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How about when we went behind at the end of the Chelsea game?
And how about three days later at home to Sunderland?
The team have got to start battling from now, because every other team down the bottom end of the table will and if we don't we'll lose games.
That Sunderland game we should have won, had it not been for Emile missing two great chances and getting sent off. It's about small margins, we'll be ok.
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How about when we went behind at the end of the Chelsea game?
Listen Winch, don't come here with all of your 'facts' like some brainiac, gut-only please
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I can't see the future anymore than you can so I can only comment on recent past. And no we have NOT been battling to save ourselves.
Like you I pray that we will get stuck in tomorrow and for the rest of the season. I hope GH can instill a sense of confidence and spirit which, and even you have to admit, has been lacking. Yes, Chelsea apart. Which only proves we have the players. Now he has to get them to fight every game.
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How about when we went behind at the end of the Chelsea game?
And how about three days later at home to Sunderland?
The team have got to start battling from now, because every other team down the bottom end of the table will and if we don't we'll lose games.
That Sunderland game we should have won, had it not been for Emile missing two great chances and getting sent off. It's about small margins, we'll be ok.
Maybe we will be ok, but we can't do it on quality alone, we have to fight for it as well. If we put in perfomances like we did against Chelsea, we'll be fine. Yes, we should have won against Sunderland, but overall, we were bloody awful. We can't afford too many more displays like that.
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Reading about MoN going to the spammers on BBC, if it actually happens the way they say it will, shows how a shit chairman runs a shit little club.
Letting it slip that a manager will be sacked after the next game and his replacement has already been arranged is crap.
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Reading about MoN going to the spammers on BBC, if it actually happens the way they say it will, shows how a shit chairman runs a shit little club.
Letting it slip that a manager will be sacked after the next game and his replacement has already been arranged is crap.
It's disgraceful. I feel sorry for Avram Grant.
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If I was Grant I would tell Mr Tumnus and Pornodwarf to pick the team themselves and tell them to go and wedge the biggest dildo they sell right up their little shitboxes.
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He will keep them up but not by much as their squad is absolute gash. Even some of their main players are crap - Green, Upson, Cole etc. Nice to see how far his star has fallen.
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If I was Grant I would tell Mr Tumnus and Pornodwarf to pick the team themselves and tell them to go and wedge the biggest dildo they sell right up their little shitboxes.
I'd make sure that I get my multi million pound pay off first, then would do the above.
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Reading about MoN going to the spammers on BBC, if it actually happens the way they say it will, shows how a shit chairman runs a shit little club.
Letting it slip that a manager will be sacked after the next game and his replacement has already been arranged is crap.
It's disgraceful. I feel sorry for Avram Grant.
I'm not sure why they have chosen to do it this way but according to the BBC earlier today, Grant has known he was going to be replaced and finalised his pay-off on Thursday.
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I don't hate O'Neill.
I resent him for the way he shat on my club, though, and I wish him ill in his future endeavours.
Me too. Don't know for sure what went on, but I'd have a lot more respect remaning for him if he'd have gone in May. Still think he's a good manager though, obv.
Agree with above but MON is only good at a couple of things and not good at enough things to be a real top flight manager. He's ideal for West Ham though, as one of his strengths is being able to raise a mediocre team to play beyond their expectations and I suspect that they will survive relegation with him this season. Long term I think he will struggle there as he won't have the resources he had with us and his brand of football will be picked apart by the East End loving press who seem to believe that WH are some sort of footballing centre of excellence.
The more I think about this one, the more it surprises me. Clearly MON's failure to get the job at Liverpool or even Newcastle has been a profound disappointment and he seems to have taken a thankless job at a poxy club. Most of the top clubs will have been watching his time at Villa and recognised his weakness in football style, transfer dealings and loyalty so probably would not touch him with a barge pole now. Perhaps this move is a chance to salvage his reputation and to line him up for one last chance at a Top 4 club job - there are bound to be a couple of vacancies in the NW in the medium term. Or perhaps he's just gone for the cash!
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I hope he's successful a week next Wednesday, and maintains his run at the Sty.
There's a lot of understandable bitterness about the timing of MON's exit but you need to very blinkered to deny he took us up a level - and equally so for thinking he won't have a positive effect at West Ham. He's highly unlikely to have anything like the same money Randy gave him and the squad is even poorer than when he took over from DOL but I won't bet against them staying up.
As for Grant, the same with Hodgson, they earn big money - and get a big pay-off when they leave. No tears just slightly bruised egos.
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Like you I pray that we will get stuck in tomorrow and for the rest of the season. I hope GH can instill a sense of confidence and spirit which, and even you have to admit, has been lacking. Yes, Chelsea apart. Which only proves we have the players. Now he has to get them to fight every game.
I wonder if the Chelsea performance had anything to do with Terry's comments last season.
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I know I've got the option of not reading this, but THIRTEEN (13) pages about an ex-manager's new job?!!!
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Mons best hope at a big job would be to keep west ham up and next season get them top 8 to top 10- that way he would be in the running for the spurs job when harry tales over from capello in 18 months time.
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If true, MON's going to have a great time working with Sullivan, Gold & Brady. I think it could be a very short lived combination. How MON's value has fallen.
I look forward to our next meeting with West Ham.
By the way, a shocking way to treat Grant, irrespective of the payoff - no class.
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I know I've got the option of not reading this, but THIRTEEN (13) pages about an ex-manager's new job?!!!
It's like wondering what your ex wife is up to and who with!
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If I supported a team that was in the bottom three, it would be exactly the type of managerial appointment I'd be looking for.
Oh.
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Plenty of talk on Twitter that it's Jol, not O'Neill that is lined up for West Ham.
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I know I've got the option of not reading this, but THIRTEEN (13) pages about an ex-manager's new job?!!!
It's like wondering what your ex wife is up to and who with!
Well........
.....go on then!
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Sky News are reporting that BAA have warned there could be major delays at Heathrow due to safety measures when West Ham are at home if MON is appointed at Upton Park.
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I know I've got the option of not reading this, but THIRTEEN (13) pages about an ex-manager's new job?!!!
You should change the number of posts displayed on each page. and then it would only be 8. lol
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Martin Keown on Final Score seems surprised by the appointment [if it happens], along the lines of many posters here - MON's autonomy and a very hands on board.
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Espn covering the game live tonight are saying they expect o neill to be installed imminently, probably tonight.
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Could well be Martin Jol.
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I think it's pretty certain that Spam will stay up if they do get MON so more bad news for us - when will it end?
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Fucking hell Levico, lighten up a bit will you.
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Martin o neill is the only name in the frame according to BBC and espn and BBC have reported Steve walford as being thrilled about returning to his old club- it's a done and dusted deal.
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According to the media.
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Surely he could get a better job? I actually feel sorry for him having to put up with that bunch of wankers on their board. I don't foresee it lasting beyond the end of the season. If he keeps them up he might get a better job more like the one he left. It makes little sense if he left us due to a lack of funds and interference by the board. Almost makes a mockery of those ideas.
It's a pity that he hasn't gone abroad or just rested into a retirement as it means every week we will be having the same tiresome points and arguments about his reign.
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Skys David craig had a call at 1 45 am from a senior source at west ham telling him o neill had agreed to take the job and grant was to be sacked- quite why they leaked it I have no idea, seems strange to do so on a match day.
There has been no denial from west ham- what a shabby sleazy way to run a football club- then again what can you expect from Sullivan and gold?
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Skys David craig had a call at 1 45 am from a senior source at west ham telling him o neill had agreed to take the job and grant was to be sacked- quite why they leaked it I have no idea, seems strange to do so on a match day.
Nothing Brady, Sullivan & the Golds do should be regarded as strange by their standards.
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Good or bad?
Good: It'd mean it'd look more likely Blose get relegated and he'd knock the scum out the cup.
Bad: It could put us in even more jeopardy down at the bottom with them overtaking us potentially.
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Avram deserves all the hand-shandy happy endings available from the south coast´s finest masseuses after this.
It´s a fuckin´ disgrace.
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Martin o neill is the only name in the frame according to BBC and espn and BBC have reported Steve walford as being thrilled about returning to his old club- it's a done and dusted deal.
No, Lee Dixon said on MOTD he thought Walford would be thrilled. They're not quite the same thing.
You do like the media nonsense, don't you?
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No guarantee that he will keep them up- they are a passing team and do not play o neills way , similar to the problem houllier has but in reverse- I fully expect Aston villa to finish above west ham- a win tomorrow will see us move up several places- let's go and get it!
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There is one certainty with West Ham and their board. Karen will be forever blowing..
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The media were reporting Pienaar was signing for a 'major European club' yesterday, today it seems he's signing for Spurs. So maybe they're wrong again.
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Do you not think if it was untrue that mon or west ham would have said so by now? Espn , BBC and. Sky all reported o neill will be taking over as manager, not might be , no question marks against their reports.
I'm not worried about west ham under o neill but some people seem petrified of him going there- he is not mourinho, wouldn't be surprised if when he turns up at st Andrews next week some will claim it's someone pretending to be him wearing a mon mask.
I wish him luck , he will need it but not in a million miles do I worry about him saving west ham above us - we are a far better team and houllier is a far better manager.
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I wish him luck , he will need it but not in a million miles do I worry about him saving west ham above us - we are a far better team and houllier is a far better manager.
Houllier a far better manager? You're f'king joking surely.
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Do you not think if it was untrue that mon or west ham would have said so by now?
Like this you mean? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jan/15/avram-grant-west-ham)
Avram Grant will not be sacked following West Ham United's match against Arsenal at Upton Park this evening, according to a very senior source on the club's board. Reports claimed this morning that Grant would be relieved of his position even if West Ham defeated Arsenal.
But when contacted this morning and asked if this was what would happen the senior board member told Guardian Sport: "I can categorically say that it is not correct. I do not know where that has come from."
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Look at his overall record as a manager and what he has won , and give houllier time to build his team in the same way mon was given time to build a team - houllier will come good .
Martin did a decent job here but given time I believe houllier will do a great job.
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I wish him luck , he will need it but not in a million miles do I worry about him saving west ham above us - we are a far better team and houllier is a far better manager.
Houllier a far better manager? You're f'king joking surely.
What evidence are u basing your statement "Houllier a far better manager" on..........his results, tactics. formations, motivation of the team, "attacking players in the media" on...............
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Strange how the senior source at west ham didn't know where the report came from dave , as it was David craig of sky who said a senior source at west ham rang him at 1 45 and told him o neill was coming in and grant was going- suggests the west ham board font know whether they are coming or going.
It would also contradict Jonathan pearces view that one of grants aides told him grant was told on Thursday night that he would be going . My view is west ham are probably furious one of their people has leaked it like this as both they and mon have come out looking pretty bad.
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Sky News are reporting that BAA have warned there could be major delays at Heathrow due to safety measures when West Ham are at home if MON is appointed at Upton Park.
I don't get it.
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If MON becomes manager of West Ham I will lose what respect I had left for the man.
I always believed he left Villa as he thought that, unless you have shit loads of money, you won't win anything (with the Milner deal sealing it for him).
However, to then take over at West Ham (WEST HAM FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!) is a big kick in the bollocks. What a fucking ******. I don't use that word often, but he is a gigantic one if he takes over.
I hope Blues beat West Ham in the semi-final and West Ham get relegated if he takes over.
You let me down Martin. Now fuck off.
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Sky News are reporting that BAA have warned there could be major delays at Heathrow due to safety measures when West Ham are at home if MON is appointed at Upton Park.
I don't get it.
Long balls, kicked high into the sky..........may hit the planes
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Strange how the senior source at west ham didn't know where the report came from dave , as it was David craig of sky who said a senior source at west ham rang him at 1 45 and told him o neill was coming in and grant was going- suggests the west ham board font know whether they are coming or going.
So do people know who this source is or not then?
If not, then why is it strange that he doesn't know?
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I agree with East19, let's see where he takes us instead of judging him on 4 months work.
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I agree with East19, let's see where he takes us instead of judging him on 4 months work.
No problem but he needs to start getting some results
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Just around the corner, I can feel it in my bones.
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Sky News are reporting that BAA have warned there could be major delays at Heathrow due to safety measures when West Ham are at home if MON is appointed at Upton Park.
I don't get it.
Long balls, kicked high into the sky..........may hit the planes
Oh. Might have got it if it'd been City Airport as it's in the vague vicinity. Or even Stansted.
That's my excuse anyway.
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Noble has just had to go off injured for Wet Spam, if Parker's injury is bad they are in big shit.
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Look at his overall record as a manager and what he has won , and give houllier time to build his team in the same way mon was given time to build a team - houllier will come good .
Martin did a decent job here but given time I believe houllier will do a great job.
The only direct comparison you can make is with the current squad. Last season 6th, this season 19th. Who knows what MON would have done at Liverpool. All conjecture.
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SSN have just said 'they've held talks and he's their number 1 target, but McLaren and Allardyce have also been sounded out'.
I'd imagine if its leaked this early ('cos of Gold and Sullivan, no doubt), O'Neill won't be happy.
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No dave what I find strange is the statement from west ham saying they don't know where this report came from , when sky have said it was from a senior west ham source who leaked the story to them at 1 45 am, seems the board have a mole.
Agreed o neill will probably be furious this has came out in this way, as for sky saying now they have held talks , well they said this morning he had agreed to take over and I pasted BBC and sky websites saying that this morning- maybe this leak has pissed him off?
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No dave what I find strange is the statement from west ham saying they don't know where this report came from , when sky have said it was from a senior west ham source- seems the board have a mole.
A board member who the Guardian spoke to doesn't know who spoke to Sky or why?
Nope, still not sure what's strange about that.
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SSN have just said 'they've held talks and he's their number 1 target, but McLaren and Allardyce have also been sounded out'.
I'd imagine if its leaked this early ('cos of Gold and Sullivan, no doubt), O'Neill won't be happy.
But they have a manger.
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Look at his overall record as a manager and what he has won , and give houllier time to build his team in the same way mon was given time to build a team - houllier will come good .
Martin did a decent job here but given time I believe houllier will do a great job.
The only direct comparison you can make is with the current squad. Last season 6th, this season 19th. Who knows what MON would have done at Liverpool. All conjecture.
Which would be fine, except it's not last season's squad is it? That team's best player is at Man City.
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There's very few people who would have leaked this, and it doesn't show MON in a good light so I doubt if it's come from his side.
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Look at his overall record as a manager and what he has won , and give houllier time to build his team in the same way mon was given time to build a team - houllier will come good .
Martin did a decent job here but given time I believe houllier will do a great job.
The only direct comparison you can make is with the current squad. Last season 6th, this season 19th. Who knows what MON would have done at Liverpool. All conjecture.
You cant compare as the board sold Milner who was our best player last season
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SSN have just said 'they've held talks and he's their number 1 target, but McLaren and Allardyce have also been sounded out'.
I'd imagine if its leaked this early ('cos of Gold and Sullivan, no doubt), O'Neill won't be happy.
But they have a manger.
and a saviour on the way.
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You can't really compare houllier this season to mon last season, mon built his side over 4 yrs , houllier has had 4 months with players he inherited- he has to be given time to build a team in that respect.
How sad to hear arsenal fans chanting 'your sacked and you know you are' at grant - a decent man being treated like shit!
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Would he really want to go there in their state? Arsenal are ripping them apart at the minute.
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Would he really want to go there in their state? Arsenal are ripping them apart at the minute.
The way this has been handled and leaked in the media and this 1st half performance may change his mind
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I expect he will be furious at how he has come out of it looking bad and the way the club have handled things, wasn't their a lot of animosity when Bruce left blues as well?
Clearly they lack class with the way they go about their business.
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I expect he will be furious at how he has come out of it looking bad and the way the club have handled things, wasn't their a lot of animosity when Bruce left blues as well?
Clearly they lack class with the way they go about their business.
All 3 of them can't stand to be out of the media spotlight for more than 5 minutes. Brady with her newspaper column,and those two other clowns are in the paper or on the radio every other day. I don't know of another club chairman like Gold who actually calls into Talksport...actually what other chairman listens toTalksport.
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The bloke on ESPN has made a good point that Grant has been without Tommy the Hammer and Collison all season
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I expect he will be furious at how he has come out of it looking bad and the way the club have handled things, wasn't their a lot of animosity when Bruce left blues as well?
Clearly they lack class with the way they go about their business.
He won't give a shit.
He is Martin O'Neill, don't you know - the chosen one !!!!
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I expect he will be furious at how he has come out of it looking bad and the way the club have handled things, wasn't their a lot of animosity when Bruce left blues as well?
Clearly they lack class with the way they go about their business.
He won't give a shit.
He is Martin O'Neill, don't you know - the chosen one !!!!
he will soon be exposed like the wizard of oz at west ham
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Fuck O'Neill, Fuck Sullivan, Fuck Gold, Fuck West Ham, Fuck Brady....actually, no. Not her.
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Fuck O'Neill, Fuck Sullivan, Fuck Gold, Fuck West Ham, Fuck Brady....actually, no. Not her.
She's battling it out with Allardyce for the largest head in football!
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Watching this tonight and how bad they are I think mon will need a fortune to spend to keep them up- just hope he can get one performance from them against blues next week- just for old times sake martin!
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Nice to see Bridge having a shocker as well
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If MON has his traditional March West Ham will start April with a healthy points gap between them and the team in 19th place!
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I've had a bet with a West Ham fan who thinks West Ham will finish above this season with him in charge. He may well sort them out but there's no way that'll happen.
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I really feel sorry for Grant, Its awful to be treated that way by your employer.
Lets hope they treat mon like shit as well :)
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cheeky bastards west ham are.....this needs to be posted in the blues dressing room before kick off me thinks... :-\
http://www.whufc.com/articles/20110114/carling-cup-final-provisional_2236884_2267259
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The bloke on ESPN just mentioned Richard Dunne in relation to MON joining, must be a possibility
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It was mentioned more than once as well.
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Let's see how long it takes O'Neil to throw his toys out of the pram if he joins the Porn Barons in East London, no doubt they will also have him "blowing" bubbles (whoever bubbles is). Why can't we have another proper Villa Manager and not some French Scouser, who's first love is Anfield?
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he will soon be exposed like the wizard of oz at west ham
I think he'd keep them up, personally. Just, but would keep them up. I'd expect him to get them to be a 11th - 15th place team. The twat.
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he will soon be exposed like the wizard of oz at west ham
I think he'd keep them up, personally. Just, but would keep them up. I'd expect him to get them to be a 11th - 15th place team. The twat.
He'd keep them up alright. But what a prime example of shooting yourself in the foot it would be if he ends up taking that job, with them rock bottom, and working for those classless pricks.
The twat.
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The radio were saying earlier that the leak was from a West Ham transfer target who told his mates that West Ham were after him and that MON was going to be appointed.
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The radio were saying earlier that the leak was from a West Ham transfer target who told his mates that West Ham were after him and that MON was going to be appointed.
Richard Dunne?
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Please let it be Salifou.
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All these Irons on the radio going on about how outraged they'd be by Big Boned Sam rocking up and launching it at the "Academy" - not sure what exactly they are expecting from MON?
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MON fully believes in having a strong Academy, just so long as he's not expected to play any of them.
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Do we expect West Ham to now start bidding for our players? O'Neill seems such a vindictive sort I can't imagine him phoning Randy to say "can we have this player?".
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The radio were saying earlier that the leak was from a West Ham transfer target who told his mates that West Ham were after him and that MON was going to be appointed.
Richard Dunne?
That'd be so good.
Get the fat fucker away from the club and his hideous wages and replace him with someone who's worth 60 thousand pounds a week.
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Just turned on and shocked that this came out before the WHU vs Gooners game, I think if and when he gets the job he will turn them around but it will cost the porn peddlers a pretty penny to do so, trying saying that quickly five times!
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Gutless ******. I hope they beat Blues, then lose to Arsenal in the final, then he takes them down.
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I really didn't think MON's ego would allow him to even contemplate managing a team other than the Sky 4, Man City, Spurs and maybe Everton. And if he lost patience with Randy and Faulkner, fuck knows how he'll put up with the three stooges.
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According to the Irish version of MOTD he has cooled his interest in the hammers job. Maybe, maybe not.
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I really didn't think MON's ego would allow him to even contemplate managing a team other than the Sky 4, Man City, Spurs and maybe Everton. And if he lost patience with Randy and Faulkner, fuck knows how he'll put up with the three stooges.
Imagine if he's still waiting for Fergie's job and has to works for the Glazers!
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According to the Irish version of MOTD he has cooled his interest in the hammers job. Maybe, maybe not.
As other has mentioned, it wouldn't have done his public image many favours on the way it was released to the press this morning by Kare........ a senior West Ham board member. He always liked to keep a tight rein on press releases and statements didn't he when here.
Although I don't think it was KB as she would have announced it via her weekly column.
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keep us up and i'll throw in a 9 inch real feel jelly vibro for Mrs O'Neil
You're welcome to each other
Porn dwarf and the bag lady - good luck MoN
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Curiouser and curiouser. Will he jilt them at the altar because they couldn't keep quiet? Either be exposed as a scheming moral free zone or lose out on the west ham job. Tricky.... One thing for certain, you have to say west ham signing an average player on 90k a week has MON's handprints all over it.
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SSN have just said 'they've held talks and he's their number 1 target, but McLaren and Allardyce have also been sounded out'.
I'd imagine if its leaked this early ('cos of Gold and Sullivan, no doubt), O'Neill won't be happy.
But they have a manger.
Perhaps they have signed Jesus Christ!
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According to the Irish version of MOTD he has cooled his interest in the hammers job. Maybe, maybe not.
As other has mentioned, it wouldn't have done his public image many favours on the way it was released to the press this morning by Kare........ a senior West Ham board member. He always liked to keep a tight rein on press releases and statements didn't he when here.
Although I don't think it was KB as she would have announced it via her weekly column.
Wel my mother saw the league table earlier and said it's all his fault. His public image is pretty low as it is. Mother knows best and all that.
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Regardless of what a sub human piece of shit O'Neill is, he is an intelligent bloke, so i'm still amazed that he wants to work for Sullivan and Gold.
It defies belief.
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Curiouser and curiouser. Will he jilt them at the altar because they couldn't keep quiet? Either be exposed as a scheming moral free zone or lose out on the west ham job. Tricky.... One thing for certain, you have to say west ham signing an average player on 90k a week has MON's handprints all over it.
I fucking love this one Greg, I think it is your best yet.
We supposedly offered the same deal as West Ham but in your mad, mad world this somehow just goes to prove what a daft cnut Martin O'Neill is.
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Curiouser and curiouser. Will he jilt them at the altar because they couldn't keep quiet? Either be exposed as a scheming moral free zone or lose out on the west ham job. Tricky.... One thing for certain, you have to say west ham signing an average player on 90k a week has MON's handprints all over it.
I fucking love this one Greg, I think it is your best yet.
We supposedly offered the same deal as West Ham but in your mad, mad world this somehow just goes to prove what a daft cnut Martin O'Neill is.
No, his best is his constant assertion that we are better now than we have been for years. That or his insane perversion of the word 'reason' in his sig.
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May well be that after the fiasco of the way it was leaked and the shabby treatment of grant that mon may look at it and then having seen the pathetic display tonight he may indeed be having second thoughts- It has highlighted how badly the west ham owners treat people and he would do well to tread carefully.
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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11685_6665449,00.html
Best damn interview he could have given in my opinion
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Curiouser and curiouser. Will he jilt them at the altar because they couldn't keep quiet? Either be exposed as a scheming moral free zone or lose out on the west ham job. Tricky.... One thing for certain, you have to say west ham signing an average player on 90k a week has MON's handprints all over it.
I fucking love this one Greg, I think it is your best yet.
We supposedly offered the same deal as West Ham but in your mad, mad world this somehow just goes to prove what a daft cnut Martin O'Neill is.
No, his best is his constant assertion that we are better now than we have been for years. That or his insane perversion of the word 'reason' in his sig.
where have i said we are better now than in years? Stop making things up or at least stop taking a photo of MON to bed with you. You'll go blind.
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Curiouser and curiouser. Will he jilt them at the altar because they couldn't keep quiet? Either be exposed as a scheming moral free zone or lose out on the west ham job. Tricky.... One thing for certain, you have to say west ham signing an average player on 90k a week has MON's handprints all over it.
I fucking love this one Greg, I think it is your best yet.
We supposedly offered the same deal as West Ham but in your mad, mad world this somehow just goes to prove what a daft cnut Martin O'Neill is.
supposedly being the key word.
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Curiouser and curiouser. Will he jilt them at the altar because they couldn't keep quiet? Either be exposed as a scheming moral free zone or lose out on the west ham job. Tricky.... One thing for certain, you have to say west ham signing an average player on 90k a week has MON's handprints all over it.
I fucking love this one Greg, I think it is your best yet.
We supposedly offered the same deal as West Ham but in your mad, mad world this somehow just goes to prove what a daft cnut Martin O'Neill is.
supposedly being the key word.
Do you have any reason at all to think that we didn't?
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we made an offer for him, whether we agreed to pay him 90k a week is another thing. i'd imagine lerner would be hesistant in back tracking on his policy re wages
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If he takes this job he's an almighty hypocrite, he knows how their owners operate, they're full of it. I lost a lot of respect for him when he resigned, not that he resigned, but when he resigned, until then I'd been an unapolegtic supporter of him, to take the West Ham job would be the ultimate slap in the face.
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we made an offer for him, whether we agreed to pay him 90k a week is another thing. i'd imagine lerner would be hesistant in back tracking on his policy re wages
I have the feeling that policy was as much to do with the players not playing as it was the size of the wages. Could be wrong.
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still 90k a week for bridge. basically top top wages for anyone outside of Citeh seems a step too far to me. i mean he was a bit part player at chelsea, likewise citeh. you'd have to be insane.
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The first shit-eating article about how O'Neill is aces and we were lucky to have him because really we're crap:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/jan/16/west-ham-martin-oneill
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O'Neill departed Villa physically only after Lerner did spiritually
What the fuck does that mean?
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O'Neill departed Villa physically only after Lerner did spiritually
What the fuck does that mean?
I know, right. I take it Hayward is suggesting MON only left after it was clear Lerner no longer wanted to spend money. Which is obviously bollocks.
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It frustrates me so much.
A wage to income percentage similar to that of Portsmouth 2 years ago.
£30million's worth of players stuck on long, very expensive contracts.
A manager who was asked to shift them before he was able to add to the squad as if the wage bill got any worse we'd be in serious trouble, not willing to do so. Before trying to force the board into buying more of his shit.
How can they put the blame on Randy ffs?
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Put that on the comments on his blog.
I just cannot believe the uninformed shit a lot of journalists are coming out with.
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I've not even clicked the link, can't be arsed to read it.
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And I was under the impression that the Guardian was good for reporting football? Blimey.
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Given the choice between MON or DOL, with the same money, it's DOL every time. MON can keep referring to his Cloughie links, it's the only thing that gets him an interview. The man is a joke. He got found out but managed to jump ship without being found out but most know he belongs with the dinosaurs. The only club that deserves his worth are the Rags. West Ham, even with the scum they have on their board, deserve better. Well, at least their fans do. He may have his strengths but his weaknesses far outstrip them. He should have retired from management a long time ago. He's an embarrassment to modern day English football but a great example to everything that is wrong about the game in England. The fact that his name is still mentioned with PL clubs says it all.
What a twat! Thank god he's no longer our problem.
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"What a twat! Thank god he's no longer our problem"
Mark, that's the point, with the players and wages ratio he left us with - he IS still our problem.
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Seems a pretty fair article but as usual one or two phrases are picked on to discredit the whole thing. Despite all the revisionism that we read on here on a daily basis MON had built a decent side at Villa that we knew had a chance in every single game. It's also a fact that Lerner put a break on spending last year, there might have been financial reasons why but no football ones; standing still in this league means going backwards.
It appears that Randy wants is a manger who looks after the whole club compared to MON who, as Hayward says, only cares about the first team. If that is the case he should have just sacked him but I guess he didn't want the reputation he would have earned for sacking a manger who had just had finished sixth again with a cup final thrown in.
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Have to agree with Mr Kelly to a certain degree. DOL was an unctuous tick, but he was nowhere near the dick that MON was. I don't think DOL would have committed the atrocity at Moscow (or Hamburg, by the way, which I wasted hundreds of pounds on, though the lapskause was nice), and neither would he have walked out the way MON did, leaving us in the shit. DOL had a geriatric Ellis to contend with, while MON had Randy's millions and all the freedom that came with it (until his policy of leaving millions on the bench began to snag). I would say that MON edges it in the charisma and intelligence stakes, but his vindictive, churlish and arrogant nature takes him above DOL in the all time top ten of Villa twats.
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I've seen it all now. You really know people have lost all sense of reality when they're comparing DOL favourably to MON. Yes he dropped us in it but you're making yourselves look a little silly by the rewriting of history. In case you hadn't noticed before MON arrived we were a bit shit.
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I've seen it all now. You really know people have lost all sense of reality when they're comparing DOL favourably to MON. Yes he dropped us in it but you're making yourselves look a little silly by the rewriting of history. In case you hadn't noticed before MON arrived we were a bit shit.
Leave it Chris..........some people just do not get it at all..........they will still be blaming MON in 3 years time
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Who's rewriting history? I've never questioned the fact that MON improved us with the many millions of pounds at his disposal (don't forget, he arrived at the same time as a certain, free-spending millionaire). I do not question that he is a fine motivator of the kind of average player that he likes to sign for lots of money and on huge wages in relation to their ability. I've already stated in this thread that he's the ideal choice for a team battling relegation - he will make a difference. Is he a titanic, self-obsessed dick with no regard whatsoever for Aston Villa? Yes, he's that too.
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It frustrates me so much.
A wage to income percentage similar to that of Portsmouth 2 years ago.
£30million's worth of players stuck on long, very expensive contracts.
A manager who was asked to shift them before he was able to add to the squad as if the wage bill got any worse we'd be in serious trouble, not willing to do so. Before trying to force the board into buying more of his shit.
How can they put the blame on Randy ffs?
In all cases, the buck stops with the owner. They agree what managers can spend on players and on wages. Unless he's completely clueless, the wage bill shouldn't have come as a surprise to Randy.
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In case you hadn't noticed before MON arrived we were a bit shit.
But then again MON had a lot of money to get things better. I don't agree with Mr. Kelly that MON is a joke, but I certainly believe that there are better managers around, and certainly managers who would have done better than MON considering the extremely benign circumstances he worked under.
Anyway, his reputation will always be stained because of the way he left us. His record is decent, but not much more. His methods work, to some extent, but he simply doesn't have the nous to get a Premier League team into the top four.
Also, as an aside, and as it never goes out of fashion to compare Houllier and MON: the former was employed at a Premiership club for five season, cannot (at least according to, and to the annoyance of, some) stop talking about them and clearly has some affinity for his former employers. What is MON's opinion of Villa? Of any of his former employers? Were they anything else than a vehicle to enhance his reputation and ego?
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I've seen it all now. You really know people have lost all sense of reality when they're comparing DOL favourably to MON. Yes he dropped us in it but you're making yourselves look a little silly by the rewriting of history. In case you hadn't noticed before MON arrived we were a bit shit.
Leave it Chris..........some people just do not get it at all..........they will still be blaming MON in 3 years time
I'm afraid people will believe what they want to believe, as is their right.
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Yes, Randy spent a lot of money but a lot less than the owners of Spurs (who have also been doing it for longer) and it is therefore unreasonable to expect us to out perform them. We needed another couple of years at the same level of investment I reckon but he was't prepared to do it. I can understand why he did from a business point if view but from a football perspective we have taken a couple of steps backwards.
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MON did a decent job, in my opinion. Most of the rows about him on here tended to be between those who thought he did an excellent job and those in the 'decent but not amazing' camp.
Of course he's a better manager than O'Leary but one area that does bear comparison is their best league placing.
Other thing i would add is that great managers leave a legacy. MON's legacy was turmoil
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If MON does to to West Ham, I reckon Karen Brady or someone else has played a master stroke [from the owners' perspective]. They've helped show him for what he is, let him know they're not averse to washing dirty linen in public and managed to tarnish his image. Apart from the possibility of keeping West Ham up, this is going to be one headline grabbing, page filling soap opera.
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Have to agree with Mr Kelly to a certain degree. DOL was an unctuous tick, but he was nowhere near the dick that MON was. I don't think DOL would have committed the atrocity at Moscow (or Hamburg, by the way, which I wasted hundreds of pounds on, though the lapskause was nice), and neither would he have walked out the way MON did, leaving us in the shit. DOL had a geriatric Ellis to contend with, while MON had Randy's millions and all the freedom that came with it (until his policy of leaving millions on the bench began to snag). I would say that MON edges it in the charisma and intelligence stakes, but his vindictive, churlish and arrogant nature takes him above DOL in the all time top ten of Villa twats.
DOL is without doubt THE most odious little runt ever to manage our club - MON doesn't even come close imo.
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Fair enough, that's your opinion, but are we agreed that MON did more damage? And willfully so.
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Hayward is an awful journalist who unfortunately has the status to write whatever tired, biased piece he wants in the knowledge that he'll be employed. Should be confined to Sky's Sunday morning show, grandstanding with that moron Custis.
In that article he claims that Rick Parry missed out on appointing O'Neill when Houllier left, mysteriously ascribing this to the 'Politikburo era' - bet in Istanbul the year after Parry was really kicking himself about that one.
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Hayward is an awful journalist who unfortunately has the status to write whatever tired, biased piece he wants in the knowledge that he'll be employed.
There's nothing biased about that piece.
It's just ignorant.
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Typical football fan stance, the writer having a different opinion makes him an "awful journalist". Hayward is actually a witty and intelligent reporter who writes well about a range of sports, one of the few around, in my opinion, who is worth reading even when I disagree with what he is saying.
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Fair enough, that's your opinion, but are we agreed that MON did more damage? And willfully so.
No. The timing of his departure was shitty, but no-one knows the exact circumstances, other than vague comments from both parties regarding a failure to agree on the future direction of the club. One can speculate of course, as many have on here but I know of no evidence to back up the theory that MON deliberately tried to damage the club.
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Typical football fan stance, the writer having a different opinion makes him an "awful journalist". Hayward is actually a witty and intelligent reporter who writes well about a range of sports, one of the few around, in my opinion, who is worth reading even when I disagree with what he is saying.
Not a typical football fan stance - my opinion is based on his profession, or more specifically his lack of professionalism.
And in answer to Dave, his bias is pro-O'Neill, leading him to ignore the facts about his managerial career to spin this piece.
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Fair enough, that's your opinion, but are we agreed that MON did more damage? And willfully so.
No. The timing of his departure was shitty, but no-one knows the exact circumstances, other than vague comments from both parties regarding a failure to agree on the future direction of the club. One can speculate of course, as many have on here but I know of no evidence to back up the theory that MON deliberately tried to damage the club.
And the signing of highly-paid, average-ability squad players who never got off the bench?
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The timing of his departure was designed to damage us. He saw the writing on the wall and wanted to make sure that Brand MON would be enhanced as a result. Just look at how his fawning mates in the media have reacted: Villa are know shit because MON left. We all now the reality, but it is quite a feat that he has pulled off. He is a clever little man, I'll give him that.
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Fair enough, that's your opinion, but are we agreed that MON did more damage? And willfully so.
No. The timing of his departure was shitty, but no-one knows the exact circumstances, other than vague comments from both parties regarding a failure to agree on the future direction of the club. One can speculate of course, as many have on here but I know of no evidence to back up the theory that MON deliberately tried to damage the club.
And the signing of highly-paid, average-ability squad players who never got off the bench?
So you really believe that he signed the likes of Beye and Sidwell in order to damage the club?
I fancy they were rather poor signings by the manager rather than a deliberate tactic to stitch us up.
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The timing of his departure was designed to damage us. He saw the writing on the wall and wanted to make sure that Brand MON would be enhanced as a result. Just look at how his fawning mates in the media have reacted: Villa are know shit because MON left. We all now the reality, but it is quite a feat that he has pulled off. He is a clever little man, I'll give him that.
What damage would it have done his reputation to walk in May? I'll ask again, where is the evidence that the timing was deliberate? Your adding two and two and making five. Until the truth comes out, how about taking a more balanced view of the whole thing rather than creating a bogey man upon which to heap all your bitterness?
We are in the shit now because of rank bad management and players who don't want to fight for the club. The timing of MON's departure certainly made this season very difficult in terms of any sort of progress but relegation should not have been in the equation.
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Interesting, though, that he can't land a bigger job than West Ham. If he is as good as Hansen and Shearer say, why is he pissing about at the arse end of the table with Karen Brady?
We know the reason, of course. This way, he gets to be bigger than the club. But I don't think Sullivan will like being upstaged, whether things go well or badly.
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Fair enough, that's your opinion, but are we agreed that MON did more damage? And willfully so.
No, not more damage than DOL and certainly not willfully so either. Do you remeber Doncaster, not knowing when we last won the FA Cup, his belittling of our Club or his lecherous advances to waitresses. He damaged our Club imo far more. MON made some good signings, some poor signings, we enjoyed some great results and a run of derby games unequalled in our history I think, dragged us to finish in our most consistant finnishes for many a year, got European football back at Villa Park and took us to Wembley.
He left under a cloud at a terrible time which set the tone for the season but that record is hardly of someone whose set out to damage us. Although MON has alot of questions to answer, I just don't see what you see obviously on this one.
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Fair enough, that's your opinion, but are we agreed that MON did more damage? And willfully so.
No. The timing of his departure was shitty, but no-one knows the exact circumstances, other than vague comments from both parties regarding a failure to agree on the future direction of the club. One can speculate of course, as many have on here but I know of no evidence to back up the theory that MON deliberately tried to damage the club.
And the signing of highly-paid, average-ability squad players who never got off the bench?
So you really believe that he signed the likes of Beye and Sidwell in order to damage the club?
I fancy they were rather poor signings by the manager rather than a deliberate tactic to stitch us up.
I believe that, when it came to signings, he had lots of money to spend, but a very poor grasp of the market, especially overseas. Yes, he bought poorly, often, but was so pig-headed that he never learned from his mistakes and continued to splash Randy's cash.
I don't think he did this specifically to hurt the club, but he had so little regard for it that he squandered its money, refused to play the crap players he bought, refused to shift them on and demanded more money to buy new ones before flouncing out in a huff. Damaging to the club, and all his fault.
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Interesting, though, that he can't land a bigger job than West Ham. If he is as good as Hansen and Shearer say, why is he pissing about at the arse end of the table with Karen Brady?
We know the reason, of course. This way, he gets to be bigger than the club. But I don't think Sullivan will like being upstaged, whether things go well or badly.
He had the chance to prove himself above taking jobs at the arse end of the table, he gave that chance up in August.
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I certainly do not agree that mon willfully damaged our club- he gave the impression of loving his time here and understood our history and cared about Aston villa- for whatever reason he decided to walk away but we don't know the full story and what pushed him to make that decision.
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I certainly do not agree that mon willfully damaged our club- he gave the impression of loving his time here and understood our history and cared about Aston villa- for whatever reason he decided to walk away but we don't know the full story and what pushed him to make that decision.
You don't think then, that if he really cared about the club, he might have put it first and carried on regardless by putting the boardroom stuff behind him and getting the season underway?
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Right, who can we flog to West Ham then? :)
Reckon he'll be in for reo-coker....!
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The only interest I have in MON is that they stop the noses going to Wembley. Other than that what is in past is in the past and we need to focus on the now.
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I used to have a soft spot for West 'Am but should O'Neill take over and join their loathsome owners i'd dearl;y love to see them drop through the divisions before going into financial meltdown.
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No jimbo, I think the time was right for a change and maybe he should have gone in may, something tipped him over the edge into walking out in august but I don't think it was pre planned and don't think he wilfully did it to hurt the club. Equally there would be no point him staying if either his heart was no longer in it or there was a breakdown between him and the board.
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The facts would tend to sugest he left the club in a mess at the worst possible time, its pretty sad that tne MON fanatics still seem to put him above the club, just like he put his ego above the club
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Yep egos eh? 'Either egoes or I goes'. and that was that
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No jimbo, I think the time was right for a change and maybe he should have gone in may, something tipped him over the edge into walking out in august but I don't think it was pre planned and don't think he wilfully did it to hurt the club. Equally there would be no point him staying if either his heart was no longer in it or there was a breakdown between him and the board.
Let's call it gross negligence then. I agree, he'd probably taken us as far as he could. But he should have gone in May. Perhaps if his Liverpool deal had come off - as he'd been wishing for the last few weeks of the season - he would have gone then. But in the end I think all he thought about was himself, and fuck everybody else. Including the club and the fans. Even though he was a tool, DOL never did anything quite so careless.
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Anyway, has Grant gone yet and has O'Neill taken over?
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West Ham is an anagram of 'shit little outfit that will always be shit'
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Anyway, has Grant gone yet and has O'Neill taken over?
No to both questions, is the current status. Listening to Colin Murray and whoever the jouranlist was on Radio 5 earlier, I reckon MON was ready to go to West Ham, but is hesitating now that it's been leaked - can't have the MON myth tarnished.
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Anyway, has Grant gone yet and has O'Neill taken over?
No to both questions, is the current status. Listening to Colin Murray and whoever the jouranlist was on Radio 5 earlier, I reckon MON was ready to go to West Ham, but is hesitating now that it's been leaked - can't have the MON myth tarnished.
The longer it drags on the better
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Anyway, has Grant gone yet and has O'Neill taken over?
No to both questions, is the current status. Listening to Colin Murray and whoever the jouranlist was on Radio 5 earlier, I reckon MON was ready to go to West Ham, but is hesitating now that it's been leaked - can't have the MON myth tarnished.
The longer it drags on the better
Is it?
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Anyway, has Grant gone yet and has O'Neill taken over?
No to both questions, is the current status. Listening to Colin Murray and whoever the jouranlist was on Radio 5 earlier, I reckon MON was ready to go to West Ham, but is hesitating now that it's been leaked - can't have the MON myth tarnished.
Thanks Lizz.
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Yes, thanks Lizz for listening to Colin Murray so we don't have to.
It's appreciated.
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Anyway, has Grant gone yet and has O'Neill taken over?
No to both questions, is the current status. Listening to Colin Murray and whoever the jouranlist was on Radio 5 earlier, I reckon MON was ready to go to West Ham, but is hesitating now that it's been leaked - can't have the MON myth tarnished.
What is this MON Myth that many talk of , surly him walking out a couple of days before the season started wouldve done his reputation more harm than good .
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Seems a pretty fair article but as usual one or two phrases are picked on to discredit the whole thing. Despite all the revisionism that we read on here on a daily basis MON had built a decent side at Villa that we knew had a chance in every single game. It's also a fact that Lerner put a break on spending last year, there might have been financial reasons why but no football ones; standing still in this league means going backwards.
It appears that Randy wants is a manger who looks after the whole club compared to MON who, as Hayward says, only cares about the first team. If that is the case he should have just sacked him but I guess he didn't want the reputation he would have earned for sacking a manger who had just had finished sixth again with a cup final thrown in.
Interesting point there, Chris. A friend of mine is pals with a former Norn Ireland international colleague of MON and he said that MON lost the England job partly on those grounds.
The stiffs at the FA were split between Steve McLaren and MON, with Allardyce as a makeshift third choice. They asked MON about his plans for grass roots football in England if he were to get the job. He apparently replied that he would be responsible for forging a decent squad for the national team and the rest was the responsibility of the FA and not a consideration for him. Apparently they didn;t take too kindly to that....
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Seems a pretty fair article but as usual one or two phrases are picked on to discredit the whole thing. Despite all the revisionism that we read on here on a daily basis MON had built a decent side at Villa that we knew had a chance in every single game. It's also a fact that Lerner put a break on spending last year, there might have been financial reasons why but no football ones; standing still in this league means going backwards.
It appears that Randy wants is a manger who looks after the whole club compared to MON who, as Hayward says, only cares about the first team. If that is the case he should have just sacked him but I guess he didn't want the reputation he would have earned for sacking a manger who had just had finished sixth again with a cup final thrown in.
Apologies from the technical Luddite for double post.
Interesting point there, Chris. A friend of mine is pals with a former Norn Ireland international colleague of MON and he said that MON lost the England job partly on those grounds.
The stiffs at the FA were split between Steve McLaren and MON, with Allardyce as a makeshift third choice. They asked MON about his plans for grass roots football in England if he were to get the job. He apparently replied that he would be responsible for forging a decent squad for the national team and the rest was the responsibility of the FA and not a consideration for him. Apparently they didn;t take too kindly to that....
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What is this MON Myth that many talk of , surly him walking out a couple of days before the season started wouldve done his reputation more harm than good .
Nope. I think the media would have it that he was forced out by Randy refusing to spend any money. Our results since he left will be seen as proof that he was right.
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Apparently Grant's position is "tenuous", according to a SSN source. Decision on his future to be made during the week. Sounds to me like "we're trying to convince O'Neill to take the job".
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David Gold looked even more loathsomely slimy on MOTD last night.
The downside to all this, is that West Ham will be in disarray for the second leg of the League Cup semi.
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It looks like the Porndealers have failed to convince Avram to walk out with nothing. Obviously any blackmail material they have on him is not working!
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Yes, thanks Lizz for listening to Colin Murray so we don't have to.
It's appreciated.
Ha, made me smile Chris, he is a twat of the highest order. Almost into Alan Green territory....
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Senior west ham source saying decision this week- I wonder if it's the same senior west ham source who rang skys David craig at 1 45 am yesterday to tell him grant was on way out and o neill in ?
Seems to me that o neill will not be happy the way it was leaked and there may be in split in the board, apparently gold likes grant and Sullivan wants grant out- would o neill reconsider after the goings on yesterday?
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I hope O'Neill goes there, gets them to Wembley, loses the final and takes them down. Anyone taking the Sullivan/Gold/Brady dollar clearly hasn't any scruples.
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Senior west ham source saying decision this week- I wonder if it's the same senior west ham source who rang skys David craig at 1 45 am yesterday to tell him grant was on way out and o neill in ?
If it was then he clearly didn't know what he was talking about at 1.45am yesterday when he phoned Sky's David Craig to tell him this story that yesterday you insisted was absolutely guaranteed to happen.
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You are quite right dave , but it's the story that both sky and BBC reported would happen as I pasted from their websites early in the thread dave, seems that this leak and the way it all came out may have scuppered things or at least put it back a few days.
The lesson learned is that nothing is done until the ink is dry on the contract as dear old doug used to often say.
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If it was then he clearly didn't know what he was talking about at 1.45am yesterday when he phoned Sky's David Craig to tell him this story that yesterday you insisted was absolutely guaranteed to happen.
It's a bit unfair to single out one person on this thread when there are many others reporting the same thing including the normally reliable BBC. It's not like East19 was posted comments from caughtoffside or just Talksport was it.
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Its funy that yesterdaySSN reported a senior source that grant was being sacked and it didnt happen, now they are again reporting a Senior Source within WH and his future will be decided this week
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Exactly hawkeye, doesn't look very reliable for sky or for west ham, although in fairness it wasn't just sky who carried the story and they were very clear it would happen and not might happen which suggests their source was very reliable in their eyes.
Maybe it's just been put back a few days as most of the media seem to think it will still happen this week.
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They are bound to wait until after the LC QF now
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You are quite right dave , but it's the story that both sky and BBC reported would happen as I pasted from their websites early in the thread dave, seems that this leak and the way it all came out may have scuppered things or at least put it back a few days.
The lesson learned is that nothing is done until the ink is dry on the contract as dear old doug used to often say.
My old Sales Manager used to say 'An orders not an order until you're in the pub getting pissed on the commission'
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They are bound to wait until after the LC QF now
TBH will the players and the manager bother doing anything for that match now that news has broke. They looked totally deflated against Arsenal but before that match they had started to fight for results. They should just sack him now and appoint a caretaker until Martin or someone else sells their soul to Golivan. Maybe Ian Golloway might want to work there.
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Apparently MON is well fucked off that rumours of his private discussion with the Porn kings has leaked. He may as well get used to that kind of stuff as it's quite the norm with that repulsive lot. Even more reason why I'm stunned he'd want to go there in the first place.
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Yeah the guardian is claiming he's had 2nd thoughts now he's been exposed as a back-stabbing cup who will walk over the lifeless corpse of another manager's career to get a job. The horse carrying your reputation has bolted Martin, you might as well take the job now
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http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/West-Ham-pile-further-embarrassment-on-Avram-Grant-during-post-match-press-conference-after-Wally-Downes-slip-of-the-tongue-article674811.html
It was a little slip of the tongue which finally made a mockery of the embarrassing facade at Upton Park.
West Ham coach Wally Downes was wheeled out to spare Avram Grant questions about his future. “Whoever gets it (the job),” said Downes before quickly correcting himself. “Whoever was in this position would have found it very difficult.”
It was the first time that West Ham were caught out in their ridiculous claim that it was business as usual. Everyone from the tea ladies to the coaching staff were expected to put up an act while poor Grant was left hanging.
Grant was in charge despite every TV and radio station reporting that he was to be sacked after the game and replaced by Martin O’Neill. It was a similar story for Martin Jol and Mark Hughes when they lost their jobs at Tottenham and Manchester City.
As the day wore on and West Ham’s appalling handling of the situation left red faces around the boardroom, O’Neill got cold feet and poor Grant was waiting to be put out of his misery.
Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news
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Yeah the guardian is claiming he's had 2nd thoughts now he's been exposed as a back-stabbing cup who will walk over the lifeless corpse of another manager's career to get a job. The horse carrying your reputation has bolted Martin, you might as well take the job now
Get a grip you soft sod and join us in the real world. It's what happens all the time, clubs talk to agents to see if their man would, if a vacancy arose, be interested in taking the job. It's not made public but Grant would be doing just the same if the circumstances were reversed. West Ham have fucked up because it was leaked.
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thats true chris but MON pretends he's above all that. That's his image and why he sues people at the drop of a hat if they question his integrity. I doubt there's any letters from his lawyer arriving at newspapers this morning
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what i dont get is why a senior west ham source would leak it at 1.45 am? maybe just happy to have got his mon , but surely you would know the risk involved in leaking it?
although it seems david gold is the one backing grant , maybe it was gold who leaked it to scupper the whole thing?
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i reckon it was Gold. He can't help himself
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It was probably him or that little scrote Sullivan talking just loudly enough on his mobile to let the press weasels hear him saying something about O'Neill.
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what i dont get is why a senior west ham source would leak it at 1.45 am? maybe just happy to have got his mon , but surely you would know the risk involved in leaking it?
although it seems david gold is the one backing grant , maybe it was gold who leaked it to scupper the whole thing?
Hoping to piss Grant off so that he'd resign and they save themselves the compensation I reckon.
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what i dont get is why a senior west ham source would leak it at 1.45 am? maybe just happy to have got his mon , but surely you would know the risk involved in leaking it?
although it seems david gold is the one backing grant , maybe it was gold who leaked it to scupper the whole thing?
Hoping to piss Grant off so that he'd resign and they save themselves the compensation I reckon.
That's it. You hang in there Avram.
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what i dont get is why a senior west ham source would leak it at 1.45 am?
To be fair to them, The Sunday Times broke this story 7 days ago but it went unoticed until Sky repeated it on Saturday.
I don't think O'Neill will go.
Big fat Yam-Yam Sam, on the other hand, is much more desperate to work
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Grant has more dignity than those two porno dwarves..
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what i dont get is why a senior west ham source would leak it at 1.45 am? maybe just happy to have got his mon , but surely you would know the risk involved in leaking it?
although it seems david gold is the one backing grant , maybe it was gold who leaked it to scupper the whole thing?
Hoping to piss Grant off so that he'd resign and they save themselves the compensation I reckon.
Surely a case of constructive dismissal if ever there was one?
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what i dont get is why a senior west ham source would leak it at 1.45 am? maybe just happy to have got his mon , but surely you would know the risk involved in leaking it?
although it seems david gold is the one backing grant , maybe it was gold who leaked it to scupper the whole thing?
Hoping to piss Grant off so that he'd resign and they save themselves the compensation I reckon.
Surely a case of constructive dismissal if ever there was one?
Absolutely.
Never witnessed such cruddy treatment of a Manager before.
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Sky paraded their reporter David craig on Saturday and he revealed he'd been called personally by a senior west ham source telling him o neill had agreed and grant was out- he was like a dog with 2 cocks telling how he had been woken personally with the call at 1 45am.
Maybe there were other leaks to press too, but man city did similar with Hughes and Mancini- grant must hang in and take them for every penny, longer it drags on the more the transfer window ticks by.
Grant announced the sidwell deal was agreed and west ham suddenly pulled the plug, maybe mon was involved in that?
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There's a Hammers ITK that reckons the Board were divided and that Gold was on Grant's side. Grant's pay-off was supposed to have been done and dusted at the Board Meeting last Wednesday and that Grant had agreed to it, but Gold prevented it from going through. The theory now is that Gold has now been won over and the deed will be done shortly. Whether O'Neill is still interested is another matter though. There is comment also to the effect that there's no money available for transfers under some agreement with Straumur, but it all gets a bit complicated.
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If he walked he would be in breach of contract, constructive dimissal only applies when you have been employed more than a year and under normal employment conditions, any lawyer advising Grant would tell him to sit tight, not make any comments that could be deemed to hold the Club in disrepute, which is exactly what he is doing. if they fire Grant the LMA lawyers will take up his case and they have a decent fund and plenty of experience
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That fits in with what Jonathan
pearce said on Saturday nick, he said one of grants people had told him the pay off was agreed on Thursday night.
Remember a few yrs ago ridsdale claimed mon had agreed to go to Leeds and then he backed out at the last minute, he was Celtic manager at the time and o Leary had just been sacked, at the time Celtic were reportedly furious mon had gone behind their backs.
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Straumur still hold a large chunk of the shares and have loans outstanding, the deal with them would have financial covenants determining borrowing and expenditure, its a real mess
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I think mon would make petrov his 1st target, hitz is almost fit, straight swap?
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i wouldn't let him have anyone apart from the real dregs. Him even considering the job hints at real bitterness towards our board given their relationship with pornodwarf.
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Absolutely.
Never witnessed such cruddy treatment of a Manager before
Except for when Gold and Sullivan treated Zola in exactly the same way.
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i wouldn't let him have anyone apart from the real dregs. Him even considering the job hints at real bitterness towards our board given their relationship with pornodwarf.
Ah I see, so now your line is that MON is only taking the job to get back at Randy.
Firstly, I think we might be taking ourselves (Aston Villa FC) slightly too seriously if you honestly believe that. I'd also suggest that your the one with the 'bitterness' issues.
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I think mon would make petrov his 1st target, hitz is almost fit, straight swap?
No. Hitz is a character with his long range howitzers but a very limited player.
Hogg offers the same thing but is (certainly potentially) a better player
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Hoping to piss Grant off so that he'd resign and they save themselves the compensation I reckon.
Exactly
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Never witnessed such cruddy treatment of a Manager before.
Looked Anfields way recently ?
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i wouldn't let him have anyone apart from the real dregs. Him even considering the job hints at real bitterness towards our board given their relationship with pornodwarf.
Ah I see, so now your line is that MON is only taking the job to get back at Randy.
Firstly, I think we might be taking ourselves (Aston Villa FC) slightly too seriously if you honestly believe that. I'd also suggest that your the one with the 'bitterness' issues.
not at all. he must have been on good terms with randy and the general once and respected them. if people you like and respect fall-out heavily with a 3rd party, then you don't normally select that as your next job do you?
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I think mon would make petrov his 1st target, hitz is almost fit, straight swap?
No. Hitz is a character with his long range howitzers but a very limited player.
Agreed. Hitzlsperger was popular with the fans and scored some stunning goals, but he was a very ineffective midfielder. After early success with Stuttgart his career there fizzled out, which was why he came back to England.
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I think hitz is a far better player now maz then when he was here before, has many german caps in his locker plus petrov is past his best , the window is fast running down and if mon takes over he will have to act fast in the Market which is not something he's known for.
Having seen how poor they are I think they must be favourites to go down With or without mon!
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Lets face it Players, Managers, Agents and Chairmen all act the same way. Football is moraly and in many cases finacialy bankrupt. Gold Sullivan Brady are just the most obvious.
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Apparently MON is well fucked off that rumours of his private discussion with the Porn kings has leaked. He may as well get used to that kind of stuff as it's quite the norm with that repulsive lot. Even more reason why I'm stunned he'd want to go there in the first place.
Patrick Barclay in the Times today:
O'Neill appears to be taking a long time to make up his mind. In which case, no wonder. He is a nice guy. Should he be going to a place like this, where the claret is of such a poor vintage?
I think I might disagree with one of those sentences!
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I think hitz is a far better player now maz then when he was here before, has many german caps in his locker plus petrov is past his best
I've seen no evidence that Hitz is a far better player and his German caps will be stopping at their current number I should think. He got in when they were poor and going through a transitional stage. Dont get me wrong, he isnt useless, just not what we need. Petrov does need replacing but not with Hitz. We can do much, much better.
Plus the likes of Bannan, Delph and Gardner will replace Petrov anyway.
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Fair enough maz, to be honest out the 2 I'd rather keep reo- coker and flog petrov to west ham anyway, I think his debut there was the best I've seen him during his entire time with us.
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His debut was up there with Carlton Cole and Luc Nillis.
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Petrov does need replacing but not with Hitz. We can do much, much better.
Plus the likes of Bannan, Delph and Gardner will replace Petrov anyway.
This. No need to shell out more on wages where we don't need to.
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I think hitz is a far better player now maz then when he was here before, has many german caps in his locker plus petrov is past his best
I've seen no evidence that Hitz is a far better player and his German caps will be stopping at their current number I should think. He got in when they were poor and going through a transitional stage. Dont get me wrong, he isnt useless, just not what we need. Petrov does need replacing but not with Hitz. We can do much, much better.
Plus the likes of Bannan, Delph and Gardner will replace Petrov anyway.
Der Hammer was (I believe) the captain of the German side in the friendly against Denmark when he got injured earlier this season. Yes, the majority of the WC squad were rested, but if Löw wasn't likely to pick him again, I don't think he'd have included him or made him captain.
He missed out on the squad because of a poor and disjointed season. I think a move back to the UK for him was as much about enjoying his football again as getting back in the national side. Although from his presence at Chelski just after NY, I suspect he'd still rather be associated with the real claret and blues.
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O'Niel and West ham having negotiation problems, may not happen now?
Wonder what his thoughts are now on how he was treated by Randy.
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Heard on the radio today that Grant signed a contract that is almost worthless if he was sacked in January this season.I nearly crashed the car when I heard that.
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If it's true:-
I don't really like West Ham, to put it mildly, but it has to be admitted that they always try to play decent football. God knows what they'll make of his hot potato stuff. That said I will be very surprised if he doesn't get them out of it. On the plus side he might "raid" his former Club for some of his old mates. I won't make a list of those he could have, but............
ps Do you think Sidwell knew what was coming?
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Heard on the radio today that Grant signed a contract that is almost worthless if he was sacked in January this season.I nearly crashed the car when I heard that.
A West Ham fan at work told me that he heard about some clause that means he'll get nothing if they're bottom of the league and he loses his job.
Is this normal, or incredibly unambitious?
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Has he took the fucker yet?
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Seems they have hit a snag with O'Neill, and have told Grant he has more time and please can he buy some players, including a top striker that the source close to the Board can't mention, just in case we jump in and beat them to it.
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Grant must be absolutely loving this. Talk about a dish served cold
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Surprised if that's the case with Grant's contract - I assumed he was staying on/waiting to be sacked with a lucrative pay-off. If I was him I'd walk - he's been undermined and humiliated by the porno's and should just drop them in it, although admittedly that would make it easier for MON to maintain his perceived integrity if he then took the job. So maybe he's being cleverer (?) than we think
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If I were Grant I'd take a couple of duvet days in my earth-filled coffin. Really worry the daywalkers
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The reason O'Neill hasn't been installed yet is because he doesn't want to come across as being a backstabber whilst Wet Spam already have a man in place. I can't understand why the man who used to be very cautious with his transfer policy in terms of not talking about players or clubs suddenly becomes a tosser who lacks integrity.
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Surprised if that's the case with Grant's contract - I assumed he was staying on/waiting to be sacked with a lucrative pay-off. If I was him I'd walk - he's been undermined and humiliated by the porno's and should just drop them in it, although admittedly that would make it easier for MON to maintain his perceived integrity if he then took the job. So maybe he's being cleverer (?) than we think
I think that, like Zola before him, he is fed up with them and is just going to try and do his job for as long as it takes for them to sack him.
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BBC are reporting that MON has ruled himself out. Reading the article it is more Pat Murphy (aren't they buddies?) stating that he thinks it is all too hurried and MON doesn't make rushed decisions.
BBC Story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/9364690.stm)
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BBC are reporting that MON has ruled himself out. Reading the article it is more Pat Murphy (aren't they buddies?) stating that he thinks it is all too hurried and MON doesn't make rushed decisions.
BBC Story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/9364690.stm)
No, really?
He'll probably agree to be their manager at 23.57 on 31st January.
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More trouble at Wet Spam?
Brady strikes again (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/West-Ham-mayhem-deepens-after-revelations-Karren-Brady-sent-text-messages-to-senior-players-effectively-asking-for-an-uprising-against-manager-Avram-Grant-article675881.html)
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still cant see MON down west ham... No money, with the board the way it is they wont leave him alone to run the club. He could wait out and see if fulham comes up soon
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And we thought we had problems
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shocking story about KB if true... If Babel can get punished for tweeting what he did surely the FA can step in and punish board members for improper conduct or something. I'm not a grant fan but you dont treat someone like that
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It cant be True she is a Role Model for young entreprueners
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She thinks the role of an employer is to bully and belittle employees.
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Someone told me when they took over that if the Brady Bunch did anything like they did at Small Heath it would be all over the nationals because of the amount of journos that support West Ham and wouldn't stand for their club being ruined. And it's happening.
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shocking! i actually feel sorry for west ham. the blose on the other hand deserve a board like that!
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Someone told me when they took over that if the Brady Bunch did anything like they did at Small Heath it would be all over the nationals because of the amount of journos that support West Ham and wouldn't stand for their club being ruined. And it's happening.
Totally agree, pretty much how the Hammers fans I know have been saying it. And all compounded by the London free papers which are a bit of a frenzy when they get their wind up. Between the morning Metro and the Evening Standard, Sullivan and Gold can expect the full twice-daily treatment.
They really do not like what's been going on of late, believe me. They had absolutely no idea what S&G were like at Small Heath, I think this MON situation might just be the final straw.
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Someone told me when they took over that if the Brady Bunch did anything like they did at Small Heath it would be all over the nationals because of the amount of journos that support West Ham and wouldn't stand for their club being ruined. And it's happening.
Totally agree, pretty much how the Hammers fans I know have been saying it. And all compounded by the London free papers which are a bit of a frenzy when they get their wind up. Between the morning Metro and the Evening Standard, Sullivan and Gold can expect the full twice-daily treatment.
They really do not like what's been going on of late, believe me. They had absolutely no idea what S&G were like at Small Heath, I think this MON situation might just be the final straw.
So had they announced MON before they should of then? Saturday morning was full of grant going no matter what the result against the gunners would be and that MON is waiting in the wings
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To answer the thread question. I hope so.
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MON got caught with his trousers down trying to shaft Grant, so it's no surprise he's run away. He was only going to take the job until the end of the season, so no great loss either way. I feel sorry for proper Hammers fans like Sendo who must be wondering WTF they've done to deserve so many chancers running their club. It's one thing the boys in the press making a noise but it's quite another for somebody to come in and buy the club.
I get the feeling it's going to get very nasty down there before it gets better, if it ever does.
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Someone told me when they took over that if the Brady Bunch did anything like they did at Small Heath it would be all over the nationals because of the amount of journos that support West Ham and wouldn't stand for their club being ruined. And it's happening.
Totally agree, pretty much how the Hammers fans I know have been saying it. And all compounded by the London free papers which are a bit of a frenzy when they get their wind up. Between the morning Metro and the Evening Standard, Sullivan and Gold can expect the full twice-daily treatment.
They really do not like what's been going on of late, believe me. They had absolutely no idea what S&G were like at Small Heath, I think this MON situation might just be the final straw.
So had they announced MON before they should of then? Saturday morning was full of grant going no matter what the result against the gunners would be and that MON is waiting in the wings
Listening to today's Guardian football podcast, a view from the journos is that west ham did not manage the MON negotiations correctly, perhaps being too 'chatty' to the press, let it out the bag and are now paying the consequences.
Whether this is true, the journo view was that S&G are dragging west ham's name through the mud right now.
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MON got caught with his trousers down trying to shaft Grant, so it's no surprise he's run away. .
yep, he was never gonna grow some balls and go ahead with it once he'd been outed. But thats Martin for you. Integrity. Always integrity......
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Hahaha you have to love those porn selling clowns, they do like to fook up things... I think MoN could have done a decent there and got them out of the relegation zone but the gobby mare opens her mouth and Martin's gone, it's just a shame they didn't hang around SHA and take them down to the championship.
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I should by stunned. But I'm not.
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Gutted. I wanted him to take it, beat Blue, walk after fall out week later.
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Maybe I'm being naive here but doesn't Randy Lerner hold MONs contract until August 2011? Could it be this is MONs polite way of saying I tried but the awkward bastard I let down miserably by walking out just ahead of the season start has told me no he won't release me?
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BBC are reporting that MON has ruled himself out. Reading the article it is more Pat Murphy (aren't they buddies?) stating that he thinks it is all too hurried and MON doesn't make rushed decisions.
BBC Story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/9364690.stm)
So he actually thought about it, and planned the time of his walk out at Villa?
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BBC are reporting that MON has ruled himself out. Reading the article it is more Pat Murphy (aren't they buddies?) stating that he thinks it is all too hurried and MON doesn't make rushed decisions.
BBC Story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/9364690.stm)
So he actually thought about it, and planned the time of his walk out at Villa?
Remember there were rumours that he had quit in March that had to be denied by the club. This wasn't just waking up one day and thinking sod it, it had been an ongoing disagreement with the owners, what the exact catalyst was god knows.
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Perfect time for them to look like a bunch of wankers. Decision on the future of the Olympic stadium is next week
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Christ. I assume now we' have to listen to endless talk in the media of 'O'Neill's integrity'.....
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What a circus the porn peddlers are. No matter where they go they become a laughing stock. Long may it continue.
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Oh dear, what an utter shambles Sullivan, the Golds and Brady are. Surely O'Neill would never have seriously considered working for them? I fear for WHU with those f*cking idiots in charge, just hope they can stuff that other bag of shite in the 2nd leg before they disappear down the toilet
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Can't the LMA give West Ham a good kicking?
Or at least give a public statement?
Grant has been treated like shit.
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Poor Sendo, we did warn him.
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Half listenting to Sky sports news this morning and they were talking about Brady who has, apparently, been texting West Ham players, asking what they think of Grant.
A circus
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WHU official statement "The club are committed to Avram Grant as manager..."
Utter scumbags ain't they?
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WHU official statement "The club are committed to Avram Grant as manager..."
Utter scumbags ain't they?
I'd love it if he told them to fuck off.
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WHUFC official statement - Grant to stay
Circus
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Half listenting to Sky sports news this morning and they were talking about Brady who has, apparently, been texting West Ham players, asking what they think of Grant.
A circus
Maybe the London media will now see what everyone in the midlands has known for years. "First Lady Of Football", business "expert" on the apprentice, trailblazer for women in Football. Bullshit.
She should stick to "Loose Women", she's much more at home with all those hatchet faced ex-alcoholics, spouting off ill-informed clap-trap.
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I've never regarded Brady as this hot shot business woman. At Blose, she was taken on as the pretty face to peddle the porn twins bullshit, all of whose levels of professionalism are finally getting the London media airing they so richly deserve.
From shagging players to defending holiganism she's an absolute shocking advertisement for women in business in imo.
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WHU official statement "The club are committed to Avram Grant as manager..."
Utter scumbags ain't they?
I'd love it if he told them to fuck off.
The icing on the cake
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WHU official statement "The club are committed to Avram Grant as manager..."
Utter scumbags ain't they?
I'd love it if he told them to fuck off.
Me too.
They really are a bunch of scrotes.
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Half listenting to Sky sports news this morning and they were talking about Brady who has, apparently, been texting West Ham players, asking what they think of Grant.
A circus
Maybe the London media will now see what everyone in the midlands has known for years. "First Lady Of Football", business "expert" on the apprentice, trailblazer for women in Football. Bullshit.
Totally agree, Karen Brady is totally out of her depth. She has the business acumen of a bull elephant.
We did warn Sendo when he frequented here, the poor lad must be in the depths of despair..
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WHU official statement "The club are committed to Avram Grant as manager..."
Utter scumbags ain't they?
I'd love it if he told them to fuck off.
Me too.
They really are a bunch of scrotes.
They are but I hope he fleeces them for as much as he can first.
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Listening to Robbis Savage the other night he said that during his transfer from The Shit to Blackburn he had a good relationship with Tumnus and Sullivan. They were fair with him and despite any differences of opinion he continued to have a good relationship with them. As for Brady, he said, 'I can't stand her'.
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Avram Grant has behaved impeccably. He's the only one in the whole affair to come out of it with any cred.
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Avram Grant has behaved impeccably. He's the only one in the whole affair to come out of it with any cred.
Actually you are right. He has played them brilliantly.
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As for Brady, he said, 'I can't stand her'.
I know a few people who have had dealings with her and they say she is a vile person.
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WHU official statement "The club are committed to Avram Grant as manager..."
Utter scumbags ain't they?
I'd love it if he told them to fuck off.
So would they, then they could go ahead and bring Big Sam in without paying Grant off.
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WHU official statement "The club are committed to Avram Grant as manager..."
Utter scumbags ain't they?
I'd love it if he told them to fuck off.
So would they, then they could go ahead and bring Big Sam in without paying Grant off.
I couldn't see their fans putting up with his anti-football.
All West Ham managers are supposed to play a passing game.
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Avram Grant has behaved impeccably. He's the only one in the whole affair to come out of it with any cred.
Actually you are right. He has played them brilliantly.
Has he asked for his lucky scarf back yet ?
I wonder where they'd be if his scarf was unlucky ?
If I was Randy I'd text MON and say "check mate ******"
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I hope Grant resigns now. Maybe after beating SHA in the semi.
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I am in London on the weekend were away to West Ham, do we normally sell out there, or do you think a non season ticket holder would be able to purchase without a problem?
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Avram Grant has behaved impeccably. He's the only one in the whole affair to come out of it with any cred.
Grant comes across as a decent man. Had a lot of shit thrown his way in management, but has always kept his dignity.(Massage parlours aside).
He's got way too much class for attention seeking scum like Brady, Sullivan and Gold.
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WHU official statement "The club are committed to Avram Grant as manager..."
Utter scumbags ain't they?
I'd love it if he told them to fuck off.
So would they, then they could go ahead and bring Big Sam in without paying Grant off.
I couldn't see their fans putting up with his anti-football.
All West Ham managers are supposed to play a passing game.
True, but they've so monumentally alienated the fans they they'd have nothing to lose. Grant is getting a lot of support from the fans but mostly as a sympathy vote. Few really think he can keep them up, and that would mean they lose all chance of the Olympic Stadium, and that means Spurs get it, and just ask who Hammers fans hate most in the world.
I think the unholy trinity recognise Grant isn't up to the job and would take anyone who could make the dead cat bounce at least a little bit.
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I've never regarded Brady as this hot shot business woman. At Blose, she was taken on as the pretty face to peddle the porn twins bullshit, all of whose levels of professionalism are finally getting the London media airing they so richly deserve.
From shagging players to defending holiganism she's an absolute shocking advertisement for women in business in imo.
I dont know why women in business need a standard bearer in any case. No more than men do. It's not like there isnt shitloads of women in business. And if you had to have a standard bearer why choose a sweaty miss piggy look-a-like who's known to be a horrible ****** to people and is best known for "sort of" looking after the affairs of a mickey mouse football club who have never achieved anything more than fuck all?
And Karren Brady is to prettiness what Brian Blessed is to subtelty.
If I had to choose her as the face of something it would be a radio station or a company making Pork scratchings.
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I am in London on the weekend were away to West Ham, do we normally sell out there, or do you think a non season ticket holder would be able to purchase without a problem?
Last year we could pay on the gate at Upton Park.
Not sure it will be the same again this year but there's usually some kind poster on here who might be able to help you out with a ref number.
I'm not talking about me, by the way . I'll be after a ticket myself
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Has MON just deliberately teased the old Birmingham City board? Surely he never had any intention of joining West Ham? A wind up on his behalf?
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Has MON just deliberately teased the old Birmingham City board? Surely he never had any intention of joining West Ham? A wind up on his behalf?
He was willing to take over from Grant until the end of the season. What's funny is he'd lined up Robbie Keane to go there, so Keane kept the Rags waiting for his decision.
The West Ham board are only interested in the Olympic stadium, just as they were only interested in the casino at the Sty. Should they lose out to Spurs, it won't be pretty. The difference is, whilst at Birmingham nobody outside of the Small Heath postcode cared what they did, West Ham have a much higher media profile so you can expect a greater investigation as to what's going on there. I feel sorry for their players and supporters but the board deserve everything that's coming to them.
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Agreed Mark.
Most of the West Ham fans I've met over the years have been decent sorts, would be far easier if they'd opted for one of the more attractive sides in London to support and there's quite a few within easy commute. So kudos to them for that.
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Has MON just deliberately teased the old Birmingham City board? Surely he never had any intention of joining West Ham? A wind up on his behalf?
He was willing to take over from Grant until the end of the season. What's funny is he'd lined up Robbie Keane to go there, so Keane kept the Rags waiting for his decision.
The West Ham board are only interested in the Olympic stadium, just as they were only interested in the casino at the Sty. Should they lose out to Spurs, it won't be pretty. The difference is, whilst at Birmingham nobody outside of the Small Heath postcode cared what they did, West Ham have a much higher media profile so you can expect a greater investigation as to what's going on there. I feel sorry for their players and supporters but the board deserve everything that's coming to them.
I heard a bit of Saggers and Collymore on Talksport last night. They indicated the original news was not broken by a club official but rather an un-named player had texted other footballers that MON was going there and he was going to join as a 1-2 punch.
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That's not what sky reported- they even had the reporter who said a senior west ham member rang him at 1 45 am to leak the news- maybe the player leak is true as well, seems a bit of a mess all round and I can't see them staying up in all honesty.
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I dont know why women in business need a standard bearer in any case. No more than men do. It's not like there isnt shitloads of women in business. And if you had to have a standard bearer why choose a sweaty miss piggy look-a-like who's known to be a horrible c*** to people and is best known for "sort of" looking after the affairs of a mickey mouse football club who have never achieved anything more than fuck all?
And Karren Brady is to prettiness what Brian Blessed is to subtelty.
If I had to choose her as the face of something it would be a radio station or a company making Pork scratchings.
There might be 'shit loads of women in business. Doesn't mean they're treated equally. City bonuses: inquiry finds 80 per cent gender pay gap. (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_180338) I could bore you to death of the subject of gender pay differentials.
I don't know Karren Brady, and my perception of her based on her media appearances isn't good, but there's something about some of the criticism she receives that makes me feel ever so, ever so slightly defensive of her.
There, I've said it. Time for the agnostic version of confession I think.
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That's not what sky reported- they even had the reporter who said a senior west ham member rang him at 1 45 am to leak the news- maybe the player leak is true as well, seems a bit of a mess all round and I can't see them staying up in all honesty.
Whilst I don't doubt that Karen Brady would do this (although I would expect her to announce it in her Sun Diary) the thing with Sky is they like to make out that people go out the way to talk to them first. Don't forget that on Transfer deadline day they have some guy jumping up and down like he needs to go to the toilet with 5 mobile phones in front of him and he is always saying he is receiving calls from agents and players and chairman telling him what is going on. If that is the case how come he didn't know anything about Bent before we did.
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That's not what sky reported- they even had the reporter who said a senior west ham member rang him at 1 45 am to leak the news- maybe the player leak is true as well, seems a bit of a mess all round and I can't see them staying up in all honesty.
Whilst I don't doubt that Karen Brady would do this (although I would expect her to announce it in her Sun Diary) the thing with Sky is they like to make out that people go out the way to talk to them first. Don't forget that on Transfer deadline day they have some guy jumping up and down like he needs to go to the toilet with 5 mobile phones in front of him and he is always saying he is receiving calls from agents and players and chairman telling him what is going on. If that is the case how come he didn't know anything about Bent before we did.
And that the stuff that they do tend to break is the exclusive that Villa have signed Kevin-Prince Boateng (see January 2008).
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Amazing how things can quickly turn around.
Was starting to think that this season had all the makings of our own Annus Horribilis. Possibly a contender for Worst Season of All Time.
*The fallout post MON -incl a run that made/makes relegation a real possibility.
*B-lose in a very winnable semi final - thanks in no small part to us providing them with safe passage to get there
*Tottingham finally getting their act together
Even twats like Holloway were lining up to put the boot in.
O'Neill going to West Ham and keeping them up at our expense would have topped the thing off nicely.
Now baring a miracle West Ham look nailed on to go down, we're by no means out of the woods but the Bent deal should ensure goals and a midtable finish. And the B-lose can't even convince third-rate journeymen to sign for them. Another relegation place could yet be nabbed by Blackpool if Adam departs, which would be nice.
Just need some major misfortune to befall 'arry and the cants at The Lane and the natural balance of the universe will be restored.
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Allegations in Tuesday's Daily Mirror newspaper that vice-chairman Karren Brady had asked some of the players to "rise up against Avram Grant" were also categorically denied.
The Hammers said they intended to find the source of what they called "unhelpful and untrue" comments and would remove whoevere was responsible from the club. They added that their lawyers were now dealing with the matter. 606: DEBATE
Now that the cracks are being papered over let's hope everyone - Gold and Sullivan, the vice-chairperson, the players, and the fans - get behind Avram Grant
Blog4Irons
The backing given to Grant by the board has been reinforced by co-chairman David Sullivan.
"The entire board is 100% behind Avram," he told ESPNsoccernet.
"He is a really decent person who deserves our support. West Ham United is a club that does the right thing and the right thing at this time is to support the manager.
"We will do all we can to bring in players over the next 12 days and once we have achieved that we hope it will keep us up. I urge all supporters to rally behind the club at this difficult time."
It is clear that Brady has to go.
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I remember when David Gold and David Sullivan took over at West Ham last season and on the front cover of a Heroes and Villains issue had a picture of those two clowns and something along the lines of "West Ham fans: May God have mercy on your souls". It was pretty funny at the time but that trio really are destroying West Ham and it's now becoming a real life nightmare for West Ham fans.
I am convinced David Gold and David Sullivan are Satan's little helpers.