Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on January 10, 2011, 06:28:55 PM
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Ryan Babel charged by FA over comments on Twitter (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/9352443.stm)
Babel forwarded on a mocked-up picture of Webb in a United shirt and also said: "And they call him one of the best referees. That's a joke."
Well, I found it funny.
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Hardly crime of the century, but I guess you have to be professional... now will the FA do anything about Diouf.
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Webb is a better referee than Babel is a footballer.
As ever, somebody else to shoulder the blame for the shortcomings of the modern player.
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Spot on Babel. Webb is a disgrace.
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i watched the game, he might have got the penalty wrong, the TV pictures were not conclusive, but i thought he got most things right including Stevie Gs sending off. Its not like Babel has never dived to get a penalty.
Because the refs dont get the use of TV evidence and there is no retrospective action for cheating, the game is in the mess it is now
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so a footballers got a sense of humour. What about charging that c*** Diouf ?
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so a footballers got a sense of humour. What about charging that c*** Diouf ?
You could also argue, that by posting that comment, he was implying that Webb cheated. In which case, he deserves to be charged.
From his position, it was a penalty, therefore he gave it, end of.
I seem to remember Liverpool getting plenty of pens at the kop end so pot, kettle, black springs to mind.
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Was it Babel (or Ngog) who did that ridiculous dive at Anfield to knock Arsenal out of the Champs League a few years back?
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Babel i think. What goes around comes around ;D.
With Sundays, Aggar didnt need to make the challenge, once he did, the ref has a decision to make.
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I'm a little uncomfortable with this.
Don't like Babel or Liverpool, but when do the FA's powers stop? Away from the field of play, the stadium and his actual job as a player, if someone wants to express an opinion should they not be allowed to do so? If he had said it down the pub to his mates, as opposed to in a TV interview, would he have been charged?
As far as I'm concerned there is professional and private lives and the FA should only be acting on what a player does in their own time. If that's thr case I want Stevie G(BH) charged with violent conduct for his brawl and Terry for bringing the game into disrepute for shagging Bridge's ex.
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It might seem a bit over the top but you have to draw a line somewhere. There's a big difference in expressing an opinion about a decision and intimating that an official cheated. Let this go and every player will do the same or worse. Where would we be then?
I thought Webb got all the major decisions right, the pen was a bit soft but that's more to do with Berbatov making the most of a very slight contact than any fault of Webb's.
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I'm a little uncomfortable with this.
Don't like Babel or Liverpool, but when do the FA's powers stop? Away from the field of play, the stadium and his actual job as a player, if someone wants to express an opinion should they not be allowed to do so? If he had said it down the pub to his mates, as opposed to in a TV interview, would he have been charged?
As far as I'm concerned there is professional and private lives and the FA should only be acting on what a player does in their own time. If that's thr case I want Stevie G(BH) charged with violent conduct for his brawl and Terry for bringing the game into disrepute for shagging Bridge's ex.
Putting it on Twitter is not the same as chatting to his mates in a pub. If a manager accuses a ref of cheating (which is exactly what Babel has done here) then he will have to explain his actions. If a ref said that Babel was a shit player happy to sit on the bench and pick up big wages, the player would want something done about that. If they let it go then it will be open house for all players to post crap like this all over the internet.
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I hope the punishment fits the crime and they don't go overboard. Maybe a little hobbling like in the film Misery.
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Yes, I suppose it could lead to anarchy.
Or Howard Webb could come out and say "Sorry - I got that one wrong." If he did that you would take away the need for this sort of thing.
I just think it's dangerous ground when an individual is not allowed to speak their mind in their own time. I know Twitter is different than the 'down the pub' scenario I used, but what makes it different - the size of the audience or the setting? Twitter/Facebook is effectively another means to talking to your friends, so tye principal remains, just the amount of people who hear/see it changes.
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Yes, I suppose it could lead to anarchy.
Or Howard Webb could come out and say "Sorry - I got that one wrong." If he did that you would take away the need for this sort of thing.
I just think it's dangerous ground when an individual is not allowed to speak their mind in their own time. I know Twitter is different than the 'down the pub' scenario I used, but what makes it different - the size of the audience or the setting? Twitter/Facebook is effectively another means to talking to your friends, so tye principal remains, just the amount of people who hear/see it changes.
On Twitter it can be seen by anyone, it's the equivalent of printing it in a newspaper. If you used it to call somebody involved in your work a crook would you expect it to be allowed to pass without censure?
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I direct and slanderous allegation such as that is different from a funny, and obviously mock up, picture. I must admit I don't use Twitter, but I see this as a principal of free speech and hope he fights it as such.
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I think MON should have done the same thing after the semi-final last season. With a John Terry shirt on maybe...
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I direct and slanderous allegation such as that is different from a funny, and obviously mock up, picture. I must admit I don't use Twitter, but I see this as a principal of free speech and hope he fights it as such.
Rubbish. He called the ref a cheat on a public forum albeit in a sly way. If managers do it they are called to account, why not players?
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I direct and slanderous allegation such as that is different from a funny, and obviously mock up, picture. I must admit I don't use Twitter, but I see this as a principal of free speech and hope he fights it as such.
Rubbish. He called the ref a cheat on a public forum albeit in a sly way. If managers do it they are called to account, why not players?
So everyone that posts such a picture should be subject to either FA action or a slander case?
Actually, I'd say that legally what should happen is that Webb should sue if he wishes, but the FA's powers should not extend into the private lives of players once away from the game.
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I direct and slanderous allegation such as that is different from a funny, and obviously mock up, picture. I must admit I don't use Twitter, but I see this as a principal of free speech and hope he fights it as such.
Rubbish. He called the ref a cheat on a public forum albeit in a sly way. If managers do it they are called to account, why not players?
So everyone that posts such a picture should be subject to either FA action or a slander case?
Actually, I'd say that legally what should happen is that Webb should sue if he wishes, but the FA's powers should not extend into the private lives of players once away from the game.
It's a question of internal discipline. If he called the ref a cheat during the game he's be booked or sent off. If he did it in private nothing would happen it's the fact that he chose a public forum to air his "joke" that has got him in trouble.
If I did it the FA have no jurisdiction over me so couldn't charge me.
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And that's what I'm getting at - I think they should have no jurisdiction outside the game itself.
One player punches another on the field - red card. He does it in the street - assault charge. What Babel says away from the game is his business and the only person who should take action is Webb, if he so chooses.
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And that's what I'm getting at - I think they should have no jurisdiction outside the game itself.
One player punches another on the field - red card. He does it in the street - assault charge. What Babel says away from the game is his business and the only person who should take action is Webb, if he so chooses.
We're not going to agree on this but I'd much rather this type of thing be dealt with internally rather than through the courts; that way lies chaos. He gets the chance to argue his case but if he's breached the rules then he should be dealt with.
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What about that bloke who posted on Twitter/Facebook I can't remember which about blowing up an airport or something along those lines. It was quite obviously a joke but it wasn't seen as that and the bloke get's a prision sentence.
Once you start putting your thoughts to 'print' for the world to see it's a whole different scenario.
As for Babel, allow this to go unpunished and you've opened a Pandoras box. It would have been different if he articulated his feelings to suggest Webb got a decision wrong but to blatantly picture him as a cheat as he did is not on. The FA are right to police it's members who represent it's organisation in all football matters
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Well, it seems I'm going against the grain on this, so I won't labour the point any further other than to say I think what he did was irresponsible and stupid, but a line should be drawn as to how far the FA can govern a players actions away from the field of play.
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They have drawn a line, and decided that calling a referee a cheat on a public forum is below it.
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John. When you are in the position babel is, then you have a responsibility to the game.
Whatever your thoughts, his actions are basically accusing Webb of bias/cheating, call it whatever you like.
That is the biggest insult you can say to a ref.
All because, Webb gave a split second decision against his team which he didnt agree with.
Had Webb or any other ref, publically ridiculed a player, insulted him directly or made sly references, then they would never be allowed to officiate at that level, and rightly so.
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The irony of the whole situation is that Webb was possibly the only person to take the field on Sunday without the intention of cheating.
He had one look at the penalty and because of a blatant act of cheating by Berbatov was fooled into making the incorrect decision. Had it gone the other way, Babel would have accepted it without complaint. Ferguson is culpable for allowing his players to cheat. Dalgleish bleating is empty noise when Gerard has dived countless times to win decisions. In fact I would guess that at one time or another during Sunday's game most of the players on the pitch "simulated" a scenario in which to draw an incorrect decision from the ref.
Our referees may not be perfect, some are incompetant but they don't cheat. How many managers and players can you say that about?