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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: TimTheVillain on January 07, 2011, 11:46:06 AM
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2011/01/07/stiliyan-petrov-urges-gerard-houllier-to-kiss-and-make-up-with-john-carew-97319-27945735/
Amazing how Houllier seems to fall out with so many players.
Maybe he should read - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motivation-Dummies-UK-Gillian-Burn/dp/product-description/0470760354
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I'd like to see petrov stop giving stories to the press and start thinking about his own game- his performances have been poor before and after injury and he should get on with trying to put in decent displays rather than talking about others!
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I think John should take a good look at himself, remember who pays him £60k a week and think about the unwavering support he's had from the fans since he walked through the door.
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Surely a plea like this should be kept 'in house.'
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This may come as a surprise, but I think that Houllier should just push off.
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is it just another media shot at Houlier. Petrov should know better, he should have a look at himself , hes been rubbish and Carew just as bad....
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Why the hell would we loan a player to help a rival avoid relagation? How stupid would we look if Carew scored the goals that keep the Boggies up whilst we go down?
Are they mad? If he goes it beggars belief... Fuck it.
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Interesting that he askes for GH to make up with Carew and NOT for Carew to make up with GH or actually show some desire and comittement to the cause
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Money, money, money.
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Money, money, money.
More like...... shambles,shambles,shambles
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This may come as a surprise, but I think that Houllier should just push off.
To stay up, it may be necessary, but ideally I'd like to see most of our 'senior' players fuck off first.
Unprofessional bunch of lazy ******.
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The captain telling the manager via the press to make up with a player. Something wrong here, How about showing some leadership Stan and go talk to Carew and Houlier and deal with it at BH
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I think Petrov needs to stop spouting off in the press and work on his fitness so after an hour in every game he isn't breathing out of his arse and as mobile as an OAP
Plus I read on the Evening mail that after the defeat he threw his captains armband on the floor "in disgust"
At what?
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Money, money, money.
More like...... shambles,shambles,shambles
Oh yeah, but I was replying to Fergal's post as to why we would loan Carew to West Brom.
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I'd loan Carew to west brom- more chance of them going down with that lazy sod in their team!
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I honestly don't think our senoir players have got a single ounce of respect for the manager.I seriously can't see us winning another game while GH is in charge their attitude stinks.They our humilliating our club with this shit :-[
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2011/01/07/stiliyan-petrov-urges-gerard-houllier-to-kiss-and-make-up-with-john-carew-97319-27945735/
Amazing how Houllier seems to fall out with so many players.
Maybe he should read - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motivation-Dummies-UK-Gillian-Burn/dp/product-description/0470760354
Not every player agrees with you
http://tinyurl.com/3xcstrs
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Why the hell would we loan a player to help a rival avoid relagation? How stupid would we look if Carew scored the goals that keep the Boggies up whilst we go down?
Are they mad? If he goes it beggars belief... Fuck it.
What Fergal said.
I'm beginning to think I've been dragged into a parallel universe here.
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I don't think it'd be a bad thing for Carew to bugger off to some other team, though to West Brom as a loan would be insanity.
He's been ok on the goal-scoring front, but he strolls casually around the pitch, all too often looking like he'd rather be somewhere else, all the while having his name chanted, when he rarely does anything to deserve it. This goes back far before Houllier, far before he was even at the Villa. Any fan of the clubs he's played for before will say the same thing about Carew, he's good for the first 18 months or so, then he gets bored of the local strip joints and looks complacent before he moves on to fresh territory.
What really annoys me though, is that for all his faults, we don't have a decent alternative, and from what we've seen, Houllier doesn't seem to have even tried to keep him on side, Carew was wrote off as soon as the twat we have in charge walked through the door.
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Words cannot fully describe my disdain for John Carew. His spectacular decline started long before this season started. He is the very epitome of what is wrong with the club at the moment, and I wish he'd just fuck right off as soon as possible. He brings nothing to the team any more, and is only a poster boy for the idiots that think that being caught in a lappers the night before a game is a sign of a legend, rather than a sign of a complete lack of respect for the club and its fans.
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I'd loan Carew to west brom- more chance of them going down with that lazy sod in their team!
Too right and if Sidwell joins Wolves things really do look promising, perhaps, we could shift Salifou to Wigan, or even Petrov to West Ham, Harewood might even pull off a great one at Blackpool if things go well.
I still have hopes for Agents Ridgewell and Gardner too.
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Words cannot fully describe my disdain for John Carew. His spectacular decline started long before this season started. He is the very epitome of what is wrong with the club at the moment, and I wish he'd just fuck right off as soon as possible. He brings nothing to the team any more, and is only a poster boy for the idiots that think that being caught in a lappers the night before a game is a sign of a legend, rather than a sign of a complete lack of respect for the club and its fans.
Very well put, sir.
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Didn't Carew say he has ambitions to play in every major domestic league? There must be a German side out there who wants him. Don't give him to West Brom for fuck sake.
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Whether the players like him or not I wish they would shut up for 5 minutes and remember it's the club that employs them and pays the wages and maybe they should act and play accordingly...oh and it would be nice for the fans as well if they could put in a performance or two.
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All these Villa player stories and Villa manger stories constantly hitting the press proves one thing above anything else.
THE CLUB IS IN FUCKING TURMOIL.
The players, the manager, the staff, from top to toe, it is in turmol.
I think they all need to shut the fuck up, and do their talking in the transfer market (if the tosser is to continue to be the manager) and on the pitch.
JUST ALL SHUT THE FUCK UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i honestly think these players have had it so easy for so long... Some of them have been crap for years even under MON..
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Words cannot fully describe my disdain for John Carew. His spectacular decline started long before this season started. He is the very epitome of what is wrong with the club at the moment, and I wish he'd just fuck right off as soon as possible. He brings nothing to the team any more, and is only a poster boy for the idiots that think that being caught in a lappers the night before a game is a sign of a legend, rather than a sign of a complete lack of respect for the club and its fans.
Absobloodylutely. I certainly can't find the words to fully describe my disdain for him. The president at Lyon was spot on about Carew when we bought him, good though that deal obviously was at the time....
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2011/01/07/stiliyan-petrov-urges-gerard-houllier-to-kiss-and-make-up-with-john-carew-97319-27945735/
Amazing how Houllier seems to fall out with so many players.
Maybe he should read - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motivation-Dummies-UK-Gillian-Burn/dp/product-description/0470760354
Not every player agrees with you
http://tinyurl.com/3xcstrs
I didn't say every player.
It amazes me that the captain is making statements like this to the press in an attempt to create some harmony in the camp.
Carew was onto a loser at Villa as soon as Houllier joined, we all knew that but hoped his paranoia would go away for the sake of the club.
It hasn't obviously.
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I think Petrov needs to stop spouting off in the press and work on his fitness so after an hour in every game he isn't breathing out of his arse and as mobile as an OAP
Plus I read on the Evening mail that after the defeat he threw his captains armband on the floor "in disgust"
At what?
rumours are that when he threw it, it went backwards, straight into the opposition changing room, straight to their striker...
i really wish petrov would just shut the fuck up... maybe if he wasnt going about doing so many god damn interviews waffling shit that is then proven bollocks on the pitch, he might have some energy to actually move on the pitch...
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Money, money, money.
Must be funny,
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I think Petrov needs to stop spouting off in the press and work on his fitness so after an hour in every game he isn't breathing out of his arse and as mobile as an OAP
Plus I read on the Evening mail that after the defeat he threw his captains armband on the floor "in disgust.
I bet it went backwards or sideways.
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That's complete bollocks, Petrov threw his armband to Coker, who was then subbed off himself and he threw it i think to Ash
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Both petrov and Carew were past their best before o neill left and I wouldn't care if both left the club , neither are good enough anymore !
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That's complete bollocks, Petrov threw his armband to Coker, who was then subbed off himself and he threw it i think to Ash
Sounds like a fucking hot potato.
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Words cannot fully describe my disdain for John Carew. His spectacular decline started long before this season started. He is the very epitome of what is wrong with the club at the moment, and I wish he'd just fuck right off as soon as possible. He brings nothing to the team any more, and is only a poster boy for the idiots that think that being caught in a lappers the night before a game is a sign of a legend, rather than a sign of a complete lack of respect for the club and its fans.
Absobloodylutely. I certainly can't find the words to fully describe my disdain for him. The president at Lyon was spot on about Carew when we bought him, good though that deal obviously was at the time....
Agree
Although when I posted on here at the start of the season that with carew it should be a case of good riddance to bad rubbish i got called a tosser
or was it the wife...
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Firstly, Petrov is our captain. He has a recorder shoved in his face, what is he supposed to do? If he refused to comment you would have people moaning about how the captain won't communicate with the fans. I get sick of all of these banal player comments as well, but i wouldnt blame the players, I'd blame whoever controls the media dept of the club and has them constantly churning out these comments.
It clearly is a case that the players have no respect for GH though. Can you imagine if Petrov had come out with something like that under MON.
Finally, I think we need to keep Carew. He is unbelievalby, frustratingly inconsistent, but when he is on form, he is almost unplayable. He always seemed to get most of his goals in 1 half of a season. I think if GH can maje up with him, or better still, he gets the boat and new man comes in, I think Carew's goals could power us up the league.
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I'd loan Carew to west brom- more chance of them going down with that lazy sod in their team!
Too right and if Sidwell joins Wolves things really do look promising, perhaps, we could shift Salifou to Wigan, or even Petrov to West Ham, Harewood might even pull off a great one at Blackpool if things go well.
I still have hopes for Agents Ridgewell and Gardner too.
Yes, let's sell one of our strikers to a fellow relegation struggler. I can't think of anything more stupid. Can you imagine Blues loaning Wolves Nikola Zigic?
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2011/01/07/stiliyan-petrov-urges-gerard-houllier-to-kiss-and-make-up-with-john-carew-97319-27945735/
Amazing how Houllier seems to fall out with so many players.
Maybe he should read - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motivation-Dummies-UK-Gillian-Burn/dp/product-description/0470760354
Not every player agrees with you
http://tinyurl.com/3xcstrs
I didn't say every player.
It amazes me that the captain is making statements like this to the press in an attempt to create some harmony in the camp
Sorry to bang on about this on yet another thread.
He's not 'making statements to the press', the press have lifted his quotes from the interview that he is required to give to the Official Site.
Whether he should be saying what he is saying is another matter, but let's not make it sound like he's phoning up various journalists giving them soundbites.
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I think Petrov needs to stop spouting off in the press and work on his fitness so after an hour in every game he isn't breathing out of his arse and as mobile as an OAP
Plus I read on the Evening mail that after the defeat he threw his captains armband on the floor "in disgust"
At what?
rumours are that when he threw it, it went backwards, straight into the opposition changing room, straight to their striker...
i really wish petrov would just shut the fuck up... maybe if he wasnt going about doing so many god damn interviews waffling shit that is then proven bollocks on the pitch, he might have some energy to actually move on the pitch...
precisely
Anyway at least he still has 2 1/2 years still to run on his contract
Phew
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Words cannot fully describe my disdain for John Carew. His spectacular decline started long before this season started. He is the very epitome of what is wrong with the club at the moment, and I wish he'd just fuck right off as soon as possible. He brings nothing to the team any more, and is only a poster boy for the idiots that think that being caught in a lappers the night before a game is a sign of a legend, rather than a sign of a complete lack of respect for the club and its fans.
Very well put, sir.
But he did score 10 in 12 at the back end of last season didn't he? I agree he's been shite this season and behaved with an appalling lack of professionalism too, but there are quite a few short memories regarding his form. The claims that he was adding nothing to the team long before MON left are kind of at odds with the fact his best run of form since he joined came in 2010.
Have to say I agree with the former argument. Yes he did score a few goals at the end of last season, but from Jan onwards he scored 6 league goals that brought only 5 league points. I know that misses some of the goals he may have set up, but I honestly think you attach too much importance to those statistics. Maybe you refer to his form in the FA Cup, where he scored 6 goals on our way to the Semi. Only 2 of those were from open play though (4 p3nalties) - hardly inspiring. He bullied Reading in a fantastic 20 minute period, and that is about it.
What I saw whenever he played was a beast of a man who played like he didn't care about the team. I saw a team that, as soon as Carew was on the pitch, was tempted (possibly instructed) to just try to lump it up for him, hardly attractive football. I honestly think Carew's presence in the squad and team was holding the club back from real progression (not alone admittedly - he was symptomatic of a wider malaise I think). He could have been a great player, but he was not motivated enough of the time, and wasn't as useful for Villa last season certainly, as he should have been.
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Words cannot fully describe my disdain for John Carew. His spectacular decline started long before this season started. He is the very epitome of what is wrong with the club at the moment, and I wish he'd just fuck right off as soon as possible. He brings nothing to the team any more, and is only a poster boy for the idiots that think that being caught in a lappers the night before a game is a sign of a legend, rather than a sign of a complete lack of respect for the club and its fans.
Very well put, sir.
But he did score 10 in 12 at the back end of last season didn't he? I agree he's been shite this season and behaved with an appalling lack of professionalism too, but there are quite a few short memories regarding his form. The claims that he was adding nothing to the team long before MON left are kind of at odds with the fact his best run of form since he joined came in 2010.
As for Petrov, if he threw his armband down then I don't mind - he cares about the club and we were in the process of slipping in to the relegation zone. However all this washing of dirty laundry in public isn't helping anyone, even if it was the manager who set the precedent.
agreed 100% about carew. he scored 17 goals last season. His highest finish at the club where he has been top scorer for the last three. We need him back on side. Sure he is inconsistent but he can score.
I've been impressed with Petrov with this outburst. Putting his place in jeopardy by publicly asking for Carew and Houllier to sort out their differences. I think he is a genuine sort too Petrov so he probably has the club's best interests at heart. Some indictment of the manager though.
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People who are having a pop at Carew should remember he has been the top scorer for the last 3 seasons. Why can't this bloke see what a player he can be if handled in the right way? It beggars belief that having fuked up by swapping him once for the world beater Baros here he has an opportunity to redeem himself and he goes and fall out with the bloke AGAIN!!!!! For fuk sake, how much more unprofessional are we going to look? The players clearly don't respect the bloke otherwise Petrov wouldn't have done this. Shit happens, it's a fact but he won't get it back in the dressing room as far as I can see, so he should go NOW!!!!
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I can't fucking stand this, if Carew is shipped out to WBA that is an act of gross negligence by Houllier - a dereliction of his duties
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I think its best for everyone if houllier does one, a manager comes in who can motivate and we get our top scoring striker back.....
.... it wont happen though. Good luck at the baggies John.
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Plus I read on the Evening mail that after the defeat he threw his captains armband on the floor "in disgust"
At what?
That is rubbish. He did no such thing. As he was being subbed he took it off to give it to NRC however NRC was also going off so he flicked it towards Ash and it fell short. Having said that passing the band was a bit like his play I agree!
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I'd loan Carew to west brom- more chance of them going down with that lazy sod in their team!
Too right and if Sidwell joins Wolves things really do look promising, perhaps, we could shift Salifou to Wigan, or even Petrov to West Ham, Harewood might even pull off a great one at Blackpool if things go well.
I still have hopes for Agents Ridgewell and Gardner too.
Yes, let's sell one of our strikers to a fellow relegation struggler. I can't think of anything more stupid. Can you imagine Blues loaning Wolves Nikola Zigic?
Absolutely 100% agree. i can't think of another club or manager who would do a more stupid/spiteful thing, it's beyond belief.
Carew, for all his faults, is still the best centre forward we have and our top scorer for the last three seasons, Heskey is out for three games and given a run in the side and decent service, he will score goals for us again.
If the vindictive Houllier loans Carew to Albion and sees him score the goals that doom us to relegation how will we all feel ?
If he does'nt rate him and is so totally unprofessional that he lets personal vendettas get in the way of managing our football club then just keep him here, don't give him to one of our rivals in a relegation battle.
Unbelievable.
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It beggars belief that having fuked up by swapping him once for the world beater Baros here he has an opportunity to redeem himself and he goes and fall out with the bloke AGAIN!!!!! For fuk sake, how much more unprofessional are we going to look?
Hang on, a perfectly reasonable reply to a direct question to Houllier was made out to be some sort of slight on his character by Carew, and it's Houllier's fault? Seriously?
Houllier may have dropped a number of clangers in his time so far, but on this issue he was spot on.
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Carew might be off, Heskey banned for three games. Where are the goals going to come from?
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is it right that under a loaning, Carew could not play against us ?
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Carew might be off, Heskey banned for three games. Where are the goals going to come from?
To be fair/flippant, we could play with all 4 strikers on the pitch at moment, and we'd still find them hard to come by.
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Carew might be off, Heskey banned for three games. Where are the goals going to come from?
Not Gabby.
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Carew might be off, Heskey banned for three games. Where are the goals going to come from?
To be fair/flippant, we could play with all 4 strikers on the pitch at moment, and we'd still find them hard to come by.
to be double flippant, we would still have young up front whilst the rest of the strikers play on the wings.....
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Doesn't matter how good Carew is or was - I'd rather a player give his all and have less talent than a player with talent who doesn't give his all- Carew is one of the laziest players Ive seen here in 30 yrs and is not a player we should be looking to in times of trouble.
I do not rate him and could not give a toss where he goes as I don't think he would improve any of our rivals, he would only weaken them.
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is it right that under a loaning, Carew could not play against us ?
I believe it's down to the agreement between the clubs, may be wrong.
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Doesn't matter how good Carew is or was - I'd rather a player give his all and have less talent than a player with talent who doesn't give his all- Carew is one of the laziest players Ive seen here in 30 yrs and is not a player we should be looking to in times of trouble.
I do not rate him and could not give a toss where he goes as I don't think he would improve any of our rivals, he would only weaken them.
I agree
The bloke is a first class wanker
Dont understand the how showing your unprofessionalism by going lapdancing results in cult status for some.
Look at his attitude when he got snowed in in Norway.
Players like him and that c*** ireland are players I would play a tramp out of aston park in front of
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Carew might be off, Heskey banned for three games. Where are the goals going to come from?
Not Gabby.
If he's played up front he will. As he has done for the past four seasons.
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It beggars belief that having fuked up by swapping him once for the world beater Baros here he has an opportunity to redeem himself and he goes and fall out with the bloke AGAIN!!!!! For fuk sake, how much more unprofessional are we going to look?
Hang on, a perfectly reasonable reply to a direct question to Houllier was made out to be some sort of slight on his character by Carew, and it's Houllier's fault? Seriously?
Houllier may have dropped a number of clangers in his time so far, but on this issue he was spot on.
It was absolutely Houllier's fault for putting it in the press. What Petrov has done here is equally wrong. But Houllier should know better. In my view he has absolutely no idea how to man manage in the modern game. And when I say modern game, I mean, modern compared to even 2004 as sad as that is.
It is a fact that you have to manage players in different ways. They are, in the main, egotistical pricks but, it just doesn't do to have a 'my way or the highway' approach to players. Not anymore at least. MO'N had similar problems with Carew but it still didn't stop him scoring 16 goals in the season and I believe the message about it being unacceptable got through without him going back to Norway only to 'miss' a flight back.
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It was absolutely Houllier's fault for putting it in the press. What Petrov has done here is equally wrong. But Houllier should know better. In my view he has absolutely no idea how to man manage in the modern game. And when I say modern game, I mean, modern compared to even 2004 as sad as that is.
Afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one Kippax. I'm firmly in Houllier's corner on this particular issue. It was a completely innocuous quote that resulted in a massive over-reaction from Carew, who was obviously itching to test the manager's authority. I want him as far away from the club as is possible (but we obviously need a replacement first).
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Carew exit blocked
Heskey suspension means no move
John Carew's potential departure from Aston Villa has been blocked due to Emile Heskey's forthcoming suspension, skysports.com understands.
Heskey was sent off for Villa during their 1-0 defeat to Sunderland for raising his hands to Jordan Henderson.
As such Heskey is due to miss the next three games, and skysports.com understands that they will not let Carew leave until after he returns.
That means Carew will not be available until around 10 days before the window closes, which means he could yet remain at Villa Park.
One of the clubs looking to sign Carew are West Brom, and Houllier has confirmed their interest but he also underlined his commitment to use him.
"I know at some stage there were talks with West Brom. I don't know where it will lead to," said Houllier.
"But to me Carew is an Aston Villa player and, as soon as he is available and fit, I will be delighted to have him in the squad and to play."
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Excellent an olive branch for Carew now
Get him out there, get the crosses in and the goals will come
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Carew might be off, Heskey banned for three games. Where are the goals going to come from?
Not Gabby.
If he's played up front he will. As he has done for the past four seasons.
If being the operative word.
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Is he fit to play?
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Quite frankly "shambles" doesn't even get close. Pile of festering horse cock would be nearer the truth.
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his days are numbered but we have got to get a striker in so let Carew go and see if we can get a replacement in.
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Djibril Cisse.
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Petrov is captain, it is not just Carew he should be talking to the other malcontents should be told by him, as captain, to keep their mouths shut and their opinions to themselves. Why is the press involved he should be speaking to Carew man to man.
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Is this the same Petrov that isn't bothered about progressing in the FA Cup ?
(according to the Meaning Evil) -
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Plus I read on the Evening mail that after the defeat he threw his captains armband on the floor "in disgust"
At what?
That is rubbish. He did no such thing. As he was being subbed he took it off to give it to NRC however NRC was also going off so he flicked it towards Ash and it fell short. Having said that passing the band was a bit like his play I agree!
I saw it deifferently - Petrov looked agrieved to be subbed and appeared to throw the armband on the floor in front of Ash - he then preceeded to storm off towards the bench - he tugged at his shirt as he was doing so - he then appeared to ignore to shake someones hand - he looked well pissed and to me that is also demonstrated by others in the team. Hou does appear to have failed to impress a good deal of the squad .
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i think sometimes a players reaction to coming off can be misinterpreted, i would be more concerned if he just walked off shook every ones hand and smiled.
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I'd drop Petrov for Bannan, I thought we had missed him, but he wins as many headers as Bannan does and when it comes to skill there is only one winner.
I know we need experience, but Bannan will only get this by playing.
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i think sometimes a players reaction to coming off can be misinterpreted, i would be more concerned if he just walked off shook every ones hand and smiled.
I didn't speak to my best mate for a week after he subbed me in a crucial sunday league cup match, with the game level, which we then lost in the last minute.
It doesn't mean shit, and yet with the micro-analysis of every match and club in the league you can see how easily all this gets blown out of all proportion.
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There's so much dissent amongst the players now that it has crossed my mind whether they will "not try their best" in the cup game, hoping Houllier gets the sack afterwards. Petrov has already stated the league is more the focus.
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Houllier said: "Myself and John spoke before the Manchester City game. He didn't feel up to playing. He had missed training for various reasons and needed to work on his fitness which he is doing now.
"I will be delighted to have him in the squad and to play. Am I happy with his attitude? John is grown-up. If he feels he is not fit enough for the game, I take that on board.
"We know John. He can be outstanding. He is a very likeable person. There is no fall-out between John and myself. I am sure he has been working on his fitness and doing well. I don't think he will be involved in the FA Cup game but at some stage after that. I trust him to be back as soon as he is ready. We need him anyway."
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Excellent an olive branch for Carew now
Get him out there, get the crosses in and the goals will come
with kisses on the bottom if that will help. xxxxxx
Where is his favourite friend now whn we need her?
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Plus I read on the Evening mail that after the defeat he threw his captains armband on the floor "in disgust"
At what?
That is rubbish. He did no such thing. As he was being subbed he took it off to give it to NRC however NRC was also going off so he flicked it towards Ash and it fell short. Having said that passing the band was a bit like his play I agree!
I saw it deifferently - Petrov looked agrieved to be subbed and appeared to throw the armband on the floor in front of Ash - he then preceeded to storm off towards the bench - he tugged at his shirt as he was doing so - he then appeared to ignore to shake someones hand - he looked well pissed and to me that is also demonstrated by others in the team. Hou does appear to have failed to impress a good deal of the squad .
From where I was sitting i'd go 100% with the first version of events. He definitely handed it to NRC. He then passed it onto Ash when he realised he was coming off too.