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Title: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 06, 2011, 11:31:31 AM
Hou's job is safe!

Joke of a board im of to watch kidderminster harriers this weekend by the looks of it
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 06, 2011, 11:34:10 AM
BREAKING NEWS: HOULLIER IS SAFE.....INNIT
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Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 06, 2011, 11:34:32 AM
Hou's job is safe!

Joke of a board im of to watch kidderminster harriers this weekend by the looks of it

£14 a ticket at Kiddie
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn
Post by: ian c. on January 06, 2011, 11:35:54 AM
It's a difficult one isn't it? Get rid of him and lose the transfer window with no guarantee of improvement, or keep him and back him in the window and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn
Post by: PeterWithe on January 06, 2011, 11:36:12 AM
BREAKING NEWS: HOULLIER IS SAFE.....INNIT
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Thats made me laugh for the first time today.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn
Post by: WikiVilla on January 06, 2011, 11:37:40 AM
BREAKING NEWS: JOL SEEN AT BHX
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Thats made me laugh for the first time today.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2011, 11:39:07 AM
Hou's job is safe!

Joke of a board im of to watch kidderminster harriers this weekend by the looks of it

£14 a ticket at Kiddie

I'm off to watch Laxey v Ramsey in the IOM FA Cup.  Free entry, then a few pints in the local micro-brewery afterwards.  Fuck this shit.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn
Post by: mrfuse on January 06, 2011, 11:39:15 AM
It's a difficult one isn't it? Get rid of him and lose the transfer window with no guarantee of improvement, or keep him and back him in the window and hope for the best.

I dont want him to do any more damage so id rather him not have anything to spend and put cowans in as temp
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn
Post by: eastie on January 06, 2011, 11:40:07 AM
Ok randy that's your decision - now get some players in who give a toss about Aston villa unlike the shambles that played last night- this club is really in a mess- gates dropping, a chairman who never speaks , a manager who seingly is past it amd a squad of players who are very poor and that's being kind.

I wonder if owen coyle will be our new graham Taylor saviour in the summer?
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2011, 11:40:34 AM
From SSN

"But a Villa statement issued to Sky Sports News on Thursday said that Houllier's job is safe."

Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn
Post by: a5tonv111a@yahoo.co.uk on January 06, 2011, 11:43:50 AM
Houllier also insisted he retains the backing of club owner Randy Lerner and chief executive Paul Faulkner.
"I spoke to Paul Faulkner and he was very supportive," the Villa manager added. "I don't doubt Randy Lerner's firm support and determination. We are in this together for better or worse."
 
Oh dear..
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn
Post by: KevinGage on January 06, 2011, 11:44:13 AM
Today starts the mental preparation for life in the Championship.

Hopefully we get lucky, and a few of the sides around us plummet.

Failing that, maybe it won't be so bad.

New away days, new adventures and with a bit of luck we might get re-acquainted with that big pot that Dennis Mortimer last picked up in the old First Division.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2011, 11:45:39 AM
For better or worse.

Definitely the latter Houllier, definitely the latter.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 06, 2011, 11:46:56 AM

Failing that, maybe it won't be so bad.

New away days, new adventures and with a bit of luck we might get re-acquainted with that big pot that Dennis Mortimer last picked up in the old First Division.

20,000 gates, multiple sponsors on shirts and trips to Millwall, Cardiff and Leeds - magic...
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: TonyD on January 06, 2011, 11:48:01 AM
I hope this is a case of saying his job is safe in the morning and then sacking the clown in the afternoon.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on January 06, 2011, 11:48:14 AM
No it's ok!  Cos we have signed Kyle Walker!  Disgraceful.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: sfx412 on January 06, 2011, 11:48:29 AM
Ok randy that's your decision - now get some players in who give a toss about Aston villa unlike the shambles that played last night- this club is really in a mess- gates dropping, a chairman who never speaks , a manager who seingly is past it amd a squad of players who are very poor and that's being kind.

I wonder if owen coyle will be our new graham Taylor saviour in the summer?

How many of those playing last night played at Chelsea, and against Man Utd ?
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: jembob on January 06, 2011, 11:50:56 AM
This is very bad. In six months we've gone from being on the coat tails of Arsenal to looking over our shoulder to see what West Ham and Wolves are doing. Our survival in the Premiership now depends on other teams being more shit than us and after last night I cannot see any signs for encouragement.

I'm still holding out in the hope that this is one of those 'full support of the Board' type announcements which precede a sacking and immediate managerial replacement. If not, it's looking very bad for us indeed.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: jembob on January 06, 2011, 11:52:27 AM

Failing that, maybe it won't be so bad.

New away days, new adventures and with a bit of luck we might get re-acquainted with that big pot that Dennis Mortimer last picked up in the old First Division.

20,000 gates, multiple sponsors on shirts and trips to Millwall, Cardiff and Leeds - magic...

But better value for money season tickets - they cover 23 games!
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: pmk1981 on January 06, 2011, 11:53:40 AM
WILL HE JUST FUCK OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF !!  ITS MAKING BE BLOODY ANGRY NOW !!! I guess the only way we can get the message accross is to vote with our feet ??

this is the first time in 21 years of been a villa fan that i dont want to go down there anymore while that ****** is in charge.. couldnt give a shit if we win or loose.  that is what that tosser has done to me.... so depressed
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 06, 2011, 11:54:45 AM
WILL HE JUST FUCK OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF !!  ITS MAKING BE BLOODY ANGRY NOW !!! I guess the only way we can get the message accross is to vote with our feet ??

this is the first time in 21 years of been a villa fan that i dont want to go down there anymore while that c*** is in charge.. couldnt give a shit if we win or loose.  that is what that tosser has done to me.... so depressed

Or support your team. Whatever.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: pmk1981 on January 06, 2011, 11:56:58 AM
he is runing our club,  we dont want him, the players dont want him
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: WikiVilla on January 06, 2011, 11:57:41 AM
Disgraceful, Its time to vote with the feet now

FUCK OFF HOULLIER & McALLISTER
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: richard moore on January 06, 2011, 12:06:56 PM
He stays as I predicted and we now have to just make the best we can of it. Football is a funny old game innit. A win on Saturday and then at the Blues and a few potentially good signings will have us all swinging back the other way. There is no doubting we are in a right mess though and it will be interesting to see how it all sorts itself out. The management team are going to have to work very, very hard to sort this one out - buying the right players, getting rid of a very long tail of dross, and spotting those who it is worth persevering with...
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Chris Harte on January 06, 2011, 12:06:56 PM
He's safe. We are ALL going to have to get used to it.

I hope this Kyle Walker is decent.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: eastie on January 06, 2011, 12:08:51 PM
exactly how  can the same players who played at chelsea show such lack of effort and attitude last night! the players clearly do not want to play for him and he cant motivate them - trobled times indeed at b6!
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 06, 2011, 12:09:33 PM
(http://astonvillacentral.com/wallpaper/generic/keep-calm-carry-on_1280x1024.jpg)


Code for "Sleepwalking to relegation"
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Apyadg on January 06, 2011, 12:09:43 PM
"We are in this together", apart from him and the squad of multi-millionaires who will fuck off and leave our club adrift in the Championship.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: stevenjos on January 06, 2011, 12:09:56 PM
im off the bookies to put some money on us going down.. that will ease the blow a little......
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: eastie on January 06, 2011, 12:13:12 PM
kyle walker is decent but we need another 4 in at least !
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: richard moore on January 06, 2011, 12:16:06 PM
(http://astonvillacentral.com/wallpaper/generic/keep-calm-carry-on_1280x1024.jpg)


Code for "Sleepwalking to relegation"

Thanks for this, just set it as the background to my computer, looks great and will keep reminding me to do just that...
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Simba on January 06, 2011, 12:18:28 PM
we are all in this alone
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 06, 2011, 12:21:02 PM
Every indication I have had from the club suggested that this would be the case regardless.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: pmk1981 on January 06, 2011, 12:23:29 PM
hopefully this is the dreaded vote of confidence
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: glasses on January 06, 2011, 12:23:49 PM
His job is safe because it will cost a fortune to sack him 4 months into a contract. Someone will have to remind me, but was it 3 years? Brilliant, just brilliant whoever negotiated that.

If he keeps us up this season, I still want someone else in the summer. But I can guess what will happen.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Fergal on January 06, 2011, 12:24:09 PM
Hou's job is safe!

Looks like we are fucked then...
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Simba on January 06, 2011, 12:26:11 PM
You could give these two the Brazil team 1970 and Pele would be a centre back, no-one would know where to play, there would be no game plan, no tactics that are applied to suit the opposition, defeatest and divisive team politics, no respect for the management,  morale shot to ribbons and a complete and gut wrenching sense of failure.

You see, it just does not matter who they sign. Houllier (past it- demotivated) and McAllister cannot manage or coach.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: sfx412 on January 06, 2011, 12:27:40 PM
No it's ok!  Cos we have signed Kyle Walker!  Disgraceful.

Why is Walker that bad?

Not seen him play in a Villa shirt so I wondered where your knowledge of him comes from ?
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: PeterWithe on January 06, 2011, 12:28:00 PM
His job is safe because it will cost a fortune to sack him 4 months into a contract. Someone will have to remind me, but was it 3 years? Brilliant, just brilliant whoever negotiated that.

If he keeps us up this season, I still want someone else in the summer. But I can guess what will happen.

I'm not a fan of his but what sort of signals would it send out to appoint a manager on a one year contract? Once the board picked their man they had to give him the stability of a longer deal.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: sfx412 on January 06, 2011, 12:32:10 PM
exactly how  can the same players who played at chelsea show such lack of effort and attitude last night! the players clearly do not want to play for him and he cant motivate them - trobled times indeed at b6!

Yet they played their hearts out at Chelsea, who were they playing for then ?

He made several tactical errors last night but it was the same set of players who should have won at Chelsea. Perhaps tiredness played a part, as many are only just back and can't be fully match fit.

As to him bringing the club down, Mon did that with his disgraceful exit so late on.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 06, 2011, 12:33:39 PM
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Why is Walker that bad?

Not seen him play in a Villa shirt so I wondered where your knowledge of him comes from ?

A Spurs fan I work with (a proper fan, not one of those cocks who bases his opinions based on what Andy Gray tells him) actually really rates Walker.


Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: eastie on January 06, 2011, 12:35:40 PM
saw walker play for qpr last week - man of the match attacking right back and looked excellent
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2011, 12:36:10 PM
His job is safe because it will cost a fortune to sack him 4 months into a contract. Someone will have to remind me, but was it 3 years? Brilliant, just brilliant whoever negotiated that.

If he keeps us up this season, I still want someone else in the summer. But I can guess what will happen.

I'm not a fan of his but what sort of signals would it send out to appoint a manager on a one year contract? Once the board picked their man they had to give him the stability of a longer deal.

O'Neill was on a (rolling) one year contarct.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: PeterWithe on January 06, 2011, 12:39:23 PM
The club needed stability after MON left, the length of contract for whoever followed him needed to show that he wasn't a stop gap.

Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: TimTheVillain on January 06, 2011, 12:42:26 PM
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quote]Houllier said after Wednesday's defeat: "I spoke to Paul Faulkner and he was very supportive.

"I don't doubt Randy Lerner's firm support and determination. We are in this together for better or worse.

Even Houllier seems resigned to defeat.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Fergal on January 06, 2011, 12:45:17 PM
His job is safe because it will cost a fortune to sack him 4 months into a contract. Someone will have to remind me, but was it 3 years? Brilliant, just brilliant whoever negotiated that.

If he keeps us up this season, I still want someone else in the summer. But I can guess what will happen.
Randy should pay for this mistake before it costs him and us a damn sight more...
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Eigentor on January 06, 2011, 12:47:25 PM
Sack Houllier, and then what?

A top manager would certainly be suspicious of joining a club who treats a well-respected (in the game) manager so shabbily.

A decent manager with Premiership experience would most likely believe that he deserves a three-year contract. (As that will at least guarantee a massive payoff if he, too, were to be sacked after four months.)

And that leaves two alternatives: hiring from within (KMac would probably be puzzled if he was offered another interim) or hiring someone from the lower division with no Premiership experience at all.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Simba on January 06, 2011, 12:47:49 PM
Andy, you should do a poster for the new movie that's coming out from Pinewood Studio:

CARRY ON DOWN THE VILLA
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2011, 12:57:49 PM
Sack Houllier, and then what?

A top manager would certainly be suspicious of joining a club who treats a well-respected (in the game) manager so shabbily.


What utter, utter nonsense.

Did Spurs struggle to appoint a top manager after they sacked Ramos?  Have Man City had any such problems?  Chelsea?  Bolton?  Top managers want three things.  A decent club to work at, money to spend and a chance to enhance their reputation.  If you think they give a stuff about who came before them you're sorely mistaken. 

And how would sacking him be treating him shabbily anyway.  Houllier has been a complete and utter dismal failure.  The football has been largely terrible, the results even worse, and he's pissed off a large section of the players and the supporters.  It's hard to imagine how he could have performed any worse than he has.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 06, 2011, 01:03:14 PM
Sack Houllier, and then what?

A top manager would certainly be suspicious of joining a club who treats a well-respected (in the game) manager so shabbily.


What utter, utter nonsense.

Did Spurs struggle to appoint a top manager after they sacked Ramos?  Have Man City had any such problems?  Chelsea?  Bolton?  Top managers want three things.  A decent club to work at, money to spend and a chance to enhance their reputation.  If you think they give a stuff about who came before them you're sorely mistaken. 

And how would sacking him be treating him shabbily anyway.  Houllier has been a complete and utter dismal failure.  The football has been largely terrible, the results even worse, and he's pissed off a large section of the players and the supporters.  It's hard to imagine how he could have performed any worse than he has.


Well said Risso. As if any manager would refuse a job because they sacked the previous manager was an abject failure. What utter shit.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: WikiVilla on January 06, 2011, 01:05:31 PM
Relegation will cost the club what £40 - 50M ?? maybe more if we're down for a few seasons

A £1m pay off to Houllier and his inept assistant looks loose change by comparison
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Billy Walker on January 06, 2011, 01:07:17 PM
Today starts the mental preparation for life in the Championship.

Hopefully we get lucky, and a few of the sides around us plummet.

Failing that, maybe it won't be so bad.

New away days, new adventures and with a bit of luck we might get re-acquainted with that big pot that Dennis Mortimer last picked up in the old First Division.

Getting relegated is not an option.  Please tell me, Kevin, that this is tongue-in-cheek?  If the fans start getting this losing, defeatist attitude with the best part of half a season to play for then that's a large part of Aston Villa on the slide.  All of us have to step up, be positive and get the club winning again.  This is our one hundredth year of top flight football!  Relegation is NOT happening!  It's time for us all to draw a line in the sand, dig deep and scrap our way out of this.  We need seven wins: we can get them.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on January 06, 2011, 01:08:46 PM
No it's ok!  Cos we have signed Kyle Walker!  Disgraceful.

Why is Walker that bad?

Not seen him play in a Villa shirt so I wondered where your knowledge of him comes from ?

My point is that our predicament requires more than Spurs' reserve team players coming in.  Where are the marquee signings?  The big names?  Ther ones that everyone expected as being different to those that MON would have signed?  I'm sorry but no matter what you may think about this lad he is not going to lift the club/fans one bit. 
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: lovejoy on January 06, 2011, 01:18:22 PM
Why does this thread have 4 pages? The club has said he's safe so he's safe. Lets work out how we can get out of this mess with the existing management.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 06, 2011, 01:30:53 PM
Saturdays defeat will be the end.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2011, 01:35:18 PM
I didn't expect Houllier to be sacked after last night but he must be on borrowed time and I'd be amazed if the club haven't got plan B ready. The January transfer window will not determine whether we stay up or not; whether Houllier signs two, three or six players, it's about what he does in terms of rallying and organising the existing squad which will make a difference. It depends on bottle - and the bottle of the teams around us, who apart from West Ham seem to have some fight.

Relegation is unthinkable and I'd reckon Houllier has to show some serious improvement (and points) from SHA away and Man City or Lerner/Faulkner won't have much option.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 06, 2011, 01:37:50 PM
No it's ok!  Cos we have signed Kyle Walker!  Disgraceful.

Why is Walker that bad?

Not seen him play in a Villa shirt so I wondered where your knowledge of him comes from ?

My point is that our predicament requires more than Spurs' reserve team players coming in.  Where are the marquee signings?  The big names?  Ther ones that everyone expected as being different to those that MON would have signed?  I'm sorry but no matter what you may think about this lad he is not going to lift the club/fans one bit. 

It's January 6th for Christ's sake.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: achilles on January 06, 2011, 01:45:48 PM
Personally I think that this is great news, as it should end all of the speculation over Houllier till at least the summer. Now everybody has to get behind the team and support them, forget about Houllier, it doesn’t matter whether you agree with Houllier staying or not. The board have made their decision as is their right, as they appointed him.

Hopefully we can escape relegation, with 3 other teams helping us out, as I don’t think this side with this manager/assistant has the backbone or nous to escape relegation on their own! At the moment I am not even contemplating relegation as its not constructive and then in the summer we can look at the situation again.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Cuz on January 06, 2011, 01:46:41 PM
Ridiculous he has to go as he and GM can't do the job the results and performances prove that, We need change!!! 
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Ian. on January 06, 2011, 01:50:11 PM
I'm glad, everyone, players especially have to get behind him and do whats right for Villa.
I hope we will see a difference when his own players come into it. I reckon the likes of our kids on the fringes would really benefit from GH style of play. But we need to move out the players who do not fit into his methods.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: London Villan on January 06, 2011, 01:50:36 PM
Right then. The club have backed the manager, like it or not, that isn't going to change now. We have to support them, because if we don't then we have no chance of staying up.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: avfcpg on January 06, 2011, 01:51:01 PM
Good..at least they came out and said what the score was sooner rather than later, whether we agree with it or not.

Now get some friggin signings in, man up, play like we can and give Sheff Utd a good twatting on Saturday....
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: stevenjos on January 06, 2011, 01:51:40 PM
Why does this thread have 4 pages? The club has said he's safe so he's safe. Lets work out how we can get out of this mess with the existing management.

An Assassin??
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: KevinGage on January 06, 2011, 01:55:55 PM
Today starts the mental preparation for life in the Championship.

Hopefully we get lucky, and a few of the sides around us plummet.

Failing that, maybe it won't be so bad.

New away days, new adventures and with a bit of luck we might get re-acquainted with that big pot that Dennis Mortimer last picked up in the old First Division.

Getting relegated is not an option.  Please tell me, Kevin, that this is tongue-in-cheek?  If the fans start getting this losing, defeatist attitude with the best part of half a season to play for then that's a large part of Aston Villa on the slide.  All of us have to step up, be positive and get the club winning again.  This is our one hundredth year of top flight football!  Relegation is NOT happening!  It's time for us all to draw a line in the sand, dig deep and scrap our way out of this.  We need seven wins: we can get them.

Kinda.

But with each passing day it seems to become a far more realistic prospect.

People are pointing to draws as our best results of the season FFS. The few wins we have managed under GH -against some pretty poor opposition- were by no means resounding victories either.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: eastie on January 06, 2011, 01:57:10 PM
Randy has decided he stays so randy should now give him at least £20m to sign the players that may save our skin- no point keeping him unless there is huge transfer activity this month- we need a striker and fast and at least 3 other signings besides.

We may feel houllier should go but randy has said he stays so we just have to get on with it!
Gates are down , fans are divided and players are unhappy but randy has made his choice !
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: SteveD on January 06, 2011, 01:57:50 PM
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GH style of play

That would be pretty triangles in midfield going nowhere, before hoofing long balls for the 2nd half and Ashley in defence and Dunne up front for the last 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: lovejoy on January 06, 2011, 02:18:08 PM
Right then. The club have backed the manager, like it or not, that isn't going to change now. We have to support them, because if we don't then we have no chance of staying up.
Ding! Is the right answer.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Nev on January 06, 2011, 02:20:38 PM
When MON went my initial reaction was that we would retreat into midtable wilderness for the next 5/10 years.

When Hou was appointed I was of the same opinion.

By November I predicted we'd be in the bottom 3 come the New Year.

Today I think it is a case of when we go down, not if.

I hope I'm wrong and the owner is right.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 06, 2011, 02:23:23 PM
Let's see what 1 point out of 6 against SHA and Man. City will do to the board.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: avfcpg on January 06, 2011, 02:24:47 PM
Let's see what 1 point out of 6 against SHA and Man. City will do to the board.

Followed by Man Yoo away isn't it?...Aint gonna look pretty...
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: stevenjos on January 06, 2011, 02:27:00 PM
Right then. The club have backed the manager, like it or not, that isn't going to change now. We have to support them, because if we don't then we have no chance of staying up.
Ding! Is the right answer.

have fun at VP watching Houlliers style..
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Oscar Arce on January 06, 2011, 02:27:16 PM
Randy Lerner knows nothing really about football, he took an age to appoint O'Niell's successor and only then with the help of a Management Consultancy.
He's wrong, and we're fucked.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: eastie on January 06, 2011, 02:37:25 PM
Well we have to hope randy is right , no point sacking him after he signs players this month - had to sack him today or keep him till the end of the season .
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 06, 2011, 02:44:41 PM
And to think I was pissin myself when Newcastle appointed Pardew.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: john e on January 06, 2011, 02:46:56 PM
When MON went my initial reaction was that we would retreat into midtable wilderness for the next 5/10 years.

When Hou was appointed I was of the same opinion.

By November I predicted we'd be in the bottom 3 come the New Year.

Today I think it is a case of when we go down, not if.

I hope I'm wrong and the owner is right.


you dont think this is our year for the cup then ?
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Eigentor on January 06, 2011, 02:49:23 PM
Sack Houllier, and then what?

A top manager would certainly be suspicious of joining a club who treats a well-respected (in the game) manager so shabbily.


What utter, utter nonsense.

Did Spurs struggle to appoint a top manager after they sacked Ramos?  Have Man City had any such problems?  Chelsea?  Bolton?  Top managers want three things.  A decent club to work at, money to spend and a chance to enhance their reputation.  If you think they give a stuff about who came before them you're sorely mistaken.

Ok, so you know more about the inner workings of the mind of a top manager than I do. Still, I find myself wondering whether it will be easier to appoint the "right" man now than it was in the summer. And funnily, I also believe that some managers would hesitate to join a club making its third managerial appointment for the season in January.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: eastie on January 06, 2011, 02:53:32 PM
Wouldn't it just be football if like when Howard Kendall was close to the sack we went on a flukey run and won the fa cup just like everton did when they all clamoured for kendalls head a d were bottom!

I'd love it if houllier could win us the fa cup but I won't hold my breath on it!
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on January 06, 2011, 02:55:01 PM
i would love houllier to start winning a few games, let alone trophies...
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 06, 2011, 03:02:59 PM
It's madness that this is even a discussion after 'he' has picked up 14 points from 42!!!
He is going down as worst manager in our history.
Unless we pull out some major coups in this window then I am certain we will go down.
Plus think that come feb we will be 6points adrift from safety!!
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Lowendbehold on January 06, 2011, 03:07:22 PM
Can someone explain to me why; last night before Heskey was sent off the Holte End was singing 'Gerald Houlliers claret and blue army, 10 minutes later after Heskey had been sent off and Sunderland scored with a 25 yard shot through a crowd of players, they were singing, 'Your'e going to get sacked in the morning'?
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: stevenjos on January 06, 2011, 03:11:49 PM
Can someone explain to me why; last night before Heskey was sent off the Holte End was singing 'Gerald Houlliers claret and blue army, 10 minutes later after Heskey had been sent off and Sunderland scored with a 25 yard shot through a crowd of players, they were singing, 'Your'e going to get sacked in the morning'?

The Villa Fans who braved the cold to go watch the least motivated manager we have ever had are what we call "hardcore" and would cheer for adolf hitler if he was in the managers seat... When they finally realised the man is a french baffoon, they then said he should get sacked...... it was either that or they were cold and bored.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 06, 2011, 03:12:11 PM
If he's staying, give him the money, make the deals we are looking at happen as soon as we possibly can.

If he's staying and we're not going to bring significant talent in, then I'm afraid we're done for.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on January 06, 2011, 03:12:30 PM
No it's ok!  Cos we have signed Kyle Walker!  Disgraceful.

Why is Walker that bad?

Not seen him play in a Villa shirt so I wondered where your knowledge of him comes from ?

My point is that our predicament requires more than Spurs' reserve team players coming in.  Where are the marquee signings?  The big names?  Ther ones that everyone expected as being different to those that MON would have signed?  I'm sorry but no matter what you may think about this lad he is not going to lift the club/fans one bit. 

It's January 6th for Christ's sake.

Yes it is and we have just lost yet another game.  On January 5th I might add.  Your point being?  If GH has not already realised that we are in the shit and identified the players to get us out of it then we are screwed.  If he has then why were they not lined up for Jan 1,2,3 etc?   I remember him saying last month that we won't buy anyone til after Sheff Utd.  WHY?  So we can lose another game in the mean time?  Well it worked.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: levico on January 06, 2011, 03:30:08 PM
Given that GH has seemingly proved his inability to get on with or motivate players, it doesn't matter who he signs. It will all end in tears and once 1st Feb comes and he's still there - we are down!

We might as well get used to the idea. With crowds of around 20,000 - we should be able to get out of the car park within 30 mins and think of the money some of us will safe not going to away matches.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Arsey on January 06, 2011, 04:00:10 PM
I can not help but feel this has now given the board the perfect excuse not to spend any serious money in January.  If results don't improve they will have absolutely no choice but to sack him in February as a final gamble to avoid relegation.  They are hardly now going to let GH spend serious money on players a new manager may not want. 

It is easy to say this now but taking Ireland, a player who clearly didn't want to play for us, before we appointed a manager was madness.  It seems as though they just wanted to push the deal through to get the money in, which, if true, is very peturbing.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 06, 2011, 04:13:15 PM

Yes it is and we have just lost yet another game.  On January 5th I might add.  Your point being?  If GH has not already realised that we are in the shit and identified the players to get us out of it then we are screwed.  If he has then why were they not lined up for Jan 1,2,3 etc?   I remember him saying last month that we won't buy anyone til after Sheff Utd.  WHY?  So we can lose another game in the mean time?  Well it worked.

Identifying players and bringing them in are two different things. I'm sure you're intelligent to realise this is not Football Manager 2011. Tuesday 4th January was the first day we could register a player this window, it's now two days later and we have one player in so far.

Whilst we have been performing terribly and I don't think Houllier is anywhere good enough, complaining about his lack of transfer business after two days is a bit childish.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: JJ-AV on January 06, 2011, 04:15:09 PM
Now I've calmed down, give him till the end of the month and let him get a few of his own players in.

If things haven't picked up then put KMac in charge, the players like him and he knows the methods the players like. There are six winnable games left. Six wins and a couple of draws should keep us up.

Houllier won't make much difference during the SHA game, the players will be up for it like they were Chelsea.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Mark H on January 06, 2011, 04:19:08 PM
Can someone explain to me why; last night before Heskey was sent off the Holte End was singing 'Gerald Houlliers claret and blue army, 10 minutes later after Heskey had been sent off and Sunderland scored with a 25 yard shot through a crowd of players, they were singing, 'Your'e going to get sacked in the morning'?

I sit in the Holte lower and I heard the shout of your getting sacked in the morning but never heard a call of Gerard Houlliers Claret and Blue Army at any point last night.  Unless it was a small pocket doing it for ironic reasons

Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Clampy on January 06, 2011, 06:22:02 PM
I've not seen any statement come out of VP saying they're backing him. Sky say they've had one, but they've not said off whom, unless anyone can point me in the right direction, via a link.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: hawkeye on January 06, 2011, 06:29:00 PM
I've not seen any statement come out of VP saying they're backing him. Sky say they've had one, but they've not said off whom, unless anyone can point me in the right direction, via a link.
SSN reprted that GH said he had met with Faulkner this morning and told his job was safe
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Clampy on January 06, 2011, 06:33:15 PM
I've not seen any statement come out of VP saying they're backing him. Sky say they've had one, but they've not said off whom, unless anyone can point me in the right direction, via a link.
SSN reprted that GH said he had met with Faulkner this morning and told his job was safe

The way i read it or heard it, GH said he met PF after the game and said they were still behind him. Since then though, i'm sure the board have become aware of the backlash from last night on forums like this. Personally i think it's only a matter of time, which by then will be too late.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on January 06, 2011, 06:45:10 PM
Look at the bright side, after transfer windows our new manager will have a better team to work with than GH when he arrived. If we got rid of deadwood, add decent foreign talents and more experience from our young guns.

I hope Randy Lerner got a plan with reduced income.

I would just keep GH to work behind the scene and get Jol in to coach the team.  He could keep improving our scouting network, facilities and develop the academy even further.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Goldie.7 on January 06, 2011, 06:49:08 PM
At the end of the day the buck stops with the players. If Wolves can keep a clean sheet against Chelski and we make 3 mistakes and concede 3 then they must have better players than us or their players were trying harder than ours?

I know the GH doesn't always get the tactics right but if the players didn't make 3 vital errors we probably would of won. Same for yesterday if we took our chances most likely the same.

Yes he should of made subs earlier and switched Young/Gabby after h/t

Of course we'll win  few games coming up the key thing is 'will we win enough teams around us keep winning too?
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Lowendbehold on January 06, 2011, 06:57:44 PM
Look at the bright side, after transfer windows our new manager will have a better team to work with than GH when he arrived. If we got rid of deadwood, add decent foreign talents and more experience from our young guns.

I hope Randy Lerner got a plan with reduced income.

I would just keep GH to work behind the scene and get Jol in to coach the team.  He could keep improving our scouting network, facilities and develop the academy even further.

I don't agree with sacking Houllier, we are not where we are because of him,  but because of; the O'Neill's departure, its manner and timing, Houllier arriving too late to bring anyone in and the injuries.  None of that is anything to do with Houllier, in my view.  We would have been here whoever had been appointed.
 
That said, the suggestion of Salsa above is the best suggestion I have heard to date.  So long as Jol with Houllier could work together of course.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Fuse on January 06, 2011, 06:58:48 PM
One thing that I noticed from the interview GH did after the match last night when asked about his position was the smile he had on his face when he said that the owner backed him and that is all that matters - almost as if he was saying the fans can go forth as they have no say in the matter.

Hope his arrogance show he is determined to put things right rather than openly saying fuck you to the fans.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 06, 2011, 07:00:55 PM
I'm not so sure that Randy doesn't deserve some of the criticism of the mess were in.
He really needs to pull his chequebook out this month or we are screwed. Even small Heath are signing bentley and prob keane and as much as these would not be our 'ideal' player type but hate to say this but were in a relegation battle! And that certainly is not where we want to be, meanwhile players like keane and bentley would help create and score more than we do now!

Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Lowendbehold on January 06, 2011, 07:03:04 PM
At the end of the day the buck stops with the players. If Wolves can keep a clean sheet against Chelski and we make 3 mistakes and concede 3 then they must have better players than us or their players were trying harder than ours?

I know the GH doesn't always get the tactics right but if the players didn't make 3 vital errors we probably would of won. Same for yesterday if we took our chances most likely the same.

Yes he should of made subs earlier and switched Young/Gabby after h/t

Of course we'll win  few games coming up the key thing is 'will we win enough teams around us keep winning too?

I agree.  Dunne again was at fault for the Chelsea equaliser, although he appeared committed and again for the challenge on Welbeck that resulted in the free kick and subsequent goal.

Houllier has spotted Dunne is unreliable and Dunne knows it.  Dunne or his agent has been clever enough to get the media on Houllier's case and a lot of people on this site, let alone off it are falling for it.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: KevinGage on January 06, 2011, 07:04:38 PM
What would be the attraction for someone like Jol or anyone else to come in and work with a failed manager, or give up any part of their sphere of influence to be damned by association with him?

Had we appointed GH as a DOF or some type of Admin role first up (on a far lower salary obv) and set the terms for any new manager or coach coming in then fair enough.

But to do it after the event, to keep him on just because we want to shy away from sacking him would just make a bad situation even worse.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Simba on January 06, 2011, 07:08:14 PM
One thing that I noticed from the interview GH did after the match last night when asked about his position was the smile he had on his face when he said that the owner backed him and that is all that matters - almost as if he was saying the fans can go forth as they have no say in the matter.

Hope his arrogance show he is determined to put things right rather than openly saying fuck you to the fans.

I noticed that too. That smug smile really grates, especially afer another defeat. It smacks of: I have my pension and who cares. Gotcha.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Matt C on January 06, 2011, 07:39:16 PM
Interesting article from Neil Moxley at the Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1344710/The-Midlander-Much-Houllier-soap-opera-Villa-really-slide-trapdoor.html
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: KevinGage on January 06, 2011, 07:50:50 PM
Interesting article from Neil Moxley at the Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1344710/The-Midlander-Much-Houllier-soap-opera-Villa-really-slide-trapdoor.html

The peasants down the road can't even source original material.

'Return to your St Andrew's base, agent Houllier, your job is almost done?'  Oh how those Agent Ridgewell jibes must have hurt.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: myf on January 06, 2011, 08:08:44 PM
I can't disagree with that article.  The damage has been done and can't see how he can patch things up now.  He's lost the playing staff, the fans and the media, and he is not the kind of gaffer you want for a relegation battle.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: ez on January 06, 2011, 08:47:12 PM
Tell us some good news please villa
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: malckennedy on January 06, 2011, 08:51:29 PM
I'm so glad that Randy and the board are running our club rather than the majority of lynch-mob minded, Radio WM presenter soundalikes (you know, the ones who thought it was a "blessing" when the club captain suffered an injury earlier in the season) that have been posting here.

For a proportion (I believe a minority) of the crowd to respond to conceding a goal that was due mainly to us being reduced to playing 10 against 11 (when it clearly should have been 10 v 10) with chants of "you're getting sacked in the morning" was truly incredible. Had that shot hit the post, had Heskey's chance that hit the bar gone in etc. etc. then many of the same sheep-like idiots would have been going home smiling.

We frequently bemoan the lack of success football-wise in this area - I think we get what a minority of the support (those who form their opinions from "Franksey", "Rego" and other assorted Radio WM know-nothings) deserve and, indeed, help to come to pass.

I also considered the future of the season ticket I've had in the same seat in the Lower Holte since the stand was built (my support goes back to 1964 not just 1990!). However, the reason was that I couldn't bear the thought of being on the same side as these "unsupporters" who do not know how to back their team when they need it. Then I realised that most people around me shared my opinion - and probably don't post on here!

No doubt I'll get a warning from a moderator for slanging you all, especially as this only my 5th post!!!

Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: eric woolban woolban on January 06, 2011, 08:56:49 PM
im off the bookies to put some money on us going down.. that will ease the blow a little......

I did that on the 6th November. Laid down a tenner at 33/1.

Don't want it to happen but am fearing the worse.

Didn't like numbskull when he was at Liverpool.

Didn't want numbskull when he joined Villa.

And I certainly don't want the numbskull here now.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2011, 08:57:35 PM
If more of our shots had gone in, and more of the opposition's shots had been saved, we'd certainly be higher up the league, can't argue with that.  You are Gerard Houllier and I claim my £5.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: john e on January 06, 2011, 08:58:52 PM
im off the bookies to put some money on us going down.. that will ease the blow a little......

I did that on the 6th November. Laid down a tenner at 33/1.

Don't want it to happen but am fearing the worse.

Didn't like numbskull when he was at Liverpool.

Didn't want numbskull when he joined Villa.

And I certainly don't want the numbskull here now.


so thats you and Risso got money on Villa to go down,
anyone else ?
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: dl9 on January 06, 2011, 09:01:36 PM
Interesting article from Neil Moxley at the Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1344710/The-Midlander-Much-Houllier-soap-opera-Villa-really-slide-trapdoor.html

Unfortunately this is exactly how I'm feeling.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: hipkiss92 on January 06, 2011, 09:04:37 PM
im off the bookies to put some money on us going down.. that will ease the blow a little......

I did that on the 6th November. Laid down a tenner at 33/1.

Don't want it to happen but am fearing the worse.

Didn't like numbskull when he was at Liverpool.

Didn't want numbskull when he joined Villa.

And I certainly don't want the numbskull here now.


so thats you and Risso got money on Villa to go down,
anyone else ?

i will, but just so there is a silver (more like an iron or some other terrible element) lining to this dark, dark cloud.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 06, 2011, 09:05:17 PM
im off the bookies to put some money on us going down.. that will ease the blow a little......

I did that on the 6th November. Laid down a tenner at 33/1.

Don't want it to happen but am fearing the worse.

Didn't like numbskull when he was at Liverpool.

Didn't want numbskull when he joined Villa.

And I certainly don't want the numbskull here now.


so thats you and Risso got money on Villa to go down,
anyone else ?

No, but if he got 33/1 as he said he did, I wish I had done, as it'd be looking like a decent punt right now.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: malckennedy on January 06, 2011, 09:07:52 PM
You are "Franksey", "Rego" or the so-called Villa fan from WM's breakfast show and I claim mine!
If more of our shots had gone in, and more of the opposition's shots had been saved, we'd certainly be higher up the league, can't argue with that.  You are Gerard Houllier and I claim my £5.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2011, 09:18:12 PM
You are "Franksey", "Rego" or the so-called Villa fan from WM's breakfast show and I claim mine!
If more of our shots had gone in, and more of the opposition's shots had been saved, we'd certainly be higher up the league, can't argue with that.  You are Gerard Houllier and I claim my £5.

I've never heard of them sorry.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 06, 2011, 09:22:49 PM
I'm so glad that Randy and the board are running our club rather than the majority of lynch-mob minded, Radio WM presenter soundalikes (you know, the ones who thought it was a "blessing" when the club captain suffered an injury earlier in the season) that have been posting here.

For a proportion (I believe a minority) of the crowd to respond to conceding a goal that was due mainly to us being reduced to playing 10 against 11 (when it clearly should have been 10 v 10) with chants of "you're getting sacked in the morning" was truly incredible. Had that shot hit the post, had Heskey's chance that hit the bar gone in etc. etc. then many of the same sheep-like idiots would have been going home smiling.

We frequently bemoan the lack of success football-wise in this area - I think we get what a minority of the support (those who form their opinions from "Franksey", "Rego" and other assorted Radio WM know-nothings) deserve and, indeed, help to come to pass.

I also considered the future of the season ticket I've had in the same seat in the Lower Holte since the stand was built (my support goes back to 1964 not just 1990!). However, the reason was that I couldn't bear the thought of being on the same side as these "unsupporters" who do not know how to back their team when they need it. Then I realised that most people around me shared my opinion - and probably don't post on here!

No doubt I'll get a warning from a moderator for slanging you all, especially as this only my 5th post!!!



I agree, the Sacked in the Morning chanting during the game was utterly pointless, it isn't going to help, it is just going to make things worse.

However, I really don't think being down to 10 men had anything to do with it. We were piss poor with 11 men, too. We had one shot on target - one - at home to Sunderland. Sunderland who, incidentally, were rubbish, but showed an organisation that we were woefully lacking.

I was firmly in the "stand by him, as the alternative is worse" camp until last night, when we saw what was the most insipid, disorganised, half arsed performance I have seen by a Villa side for a very long time. I'm now at the point where I think the biggest contribution we could make to the team would be to remove the manager - we have a team of players who look very much like they don't want to play for the manager.  It is wrong that it is like that, but it is, and it is getting worse.

Lots of teams get relegated after having people say "they're too good to go down" all season, whereas teams that survive against the odds often do so through showing spirit.

Right now, spirit is the one thing we are totally bereft of, and I just can not see how it will come back. Yes, we were better at Chelsea, but let's not forget, we even did our best to throw that away. Wolves right now are showing spirit. So are Wigan. It is just us and West Ham who look devoid of motivation.

Given all that, it is hardly surprising that the fans are turning against the manager. It's too easy to say we're "fickle", too. How much do we have to put up with before turning is understandable? How late is "too late" in terms of carrying on doing what we are doing?
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: TimTheVillain on January 06, 2011, 09:31:16 PM
I'm so glad that Randy and the board are running our club rather than the majority of lynch-mob minded, Radio WM presenter soundalikes (you know, the ones who thought it was a "blessing" when the club captain suffered an injury earlier in the season) that have been posting here.

For a proportion (I believe a minority) of the crowd to respond to conceding a goal that was due mainly to us being reduced to playing 10 against 11 (when it clearly should have been 10 v 10) with chants of "you're getting sacked in the morning" was truly incredible. Had that shot hit the post, had Heskey's chance that hit the bar gone in etc. etc. then many of the same sheep-like idiots would have been going home smiling.

We frequently bemoan the lack of success football-wise in this area - I think we get what a minority of the support (those who form their opinions from "Franksey", "Rego" and other assorted Radio WM know-nothings) deserve and, indeed, help to come to pass.

I also considered the future of the season ticket I've had in the same seat in the Lower Holte since the stand was built (my support goes back to 1964 not just 1990!). However, the reason was that I couldn't bear the thought of being on the same side as these "unsupporters" who do not know how to back their team when they need it. Then I realised that most people around me shared my opinion - and probably don't post on here!

No doubt I'll get a warning from a moderator for slanging you all, especially as this only my 5th post!!!



Everything in the garden is rosy then ?

Passionate (younger than you) fans chanted 'sacked in the morning' probably like you would have done when you were 18.

UTV
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Des Little on January 06, 2011, 09:45:11 PM
Haven't read the posts sorry but all I will say is this:  If we aren't sacking him, then back him with a decent amount to get us out of this fcuking mess.  Relegation would cost us a damn sight more than we'll spend so we have to act otherwise we are in the shit.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 06, 2011, 09:46:47 PM
Haven't read the posts sorry but all I will say is this:  If we aren't sacking him, then back him with a decent amount to get us out of this fcuking mess.  Relegation would cost us a damn sight more than we'll spend so we have to act otherwise we are in the shit.

In all the pros and cons expressed on this issue, this ^^^^^ is the absolute crux of the matter.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: malckennedy on January 06, 2011, 09:50:01 PM
All down to youthful ignorance then, TimTheVillain? I rest my case - I'm so glad we're owned and managed by mature people who know how to hold their nerve when dealing with difficulties brought about by a temperamental quitter walking out 5 days before the season started, leaving bewildered and disillusioned players behind him.

When I was 18 I was going to away matches in the old second division. When I was 14 to 16 I was going to away matches in the old third division, using money earned on a paper round to pay my fair on the train. I wouldn't have dreamed of publicly abusing the players or managers of my club! Passion and youth do not excuse brainless actions that make problems worse!!
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Small Rodent on January 06, 2011, 09:57:28 PM
I wouldn't have dreamed of publicly abusing the players or managers of my club! Passion and youth do not excuse brainless actions that make problems worse!!


But you paid for your ticket so you are totally entitled to abuse/question how things are at the club. You are not paying the money for blind devotion. Blind devotion is what we all have for Villa. In the heart. The others come and go.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: malckennedy on January 06, 2011, 10:06:48 PM
Being entitled to do something does not always make it a bright thing to do, Small Rodent. For example, you could buy a new car and then set fire to it because it needed a new set of tyres!
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: hawkeye on January 06, 2011, 10:15:29 PM
All down to youthful ignorance then, TimTheVillain? I rest my case - I'm so glad we're owned and managed by mature people who know how to hold their nerve when dealing with difficulties brought about by a temperamental quitter walking out 5 days before the season started, leaving bewildered and disillusioned players behind him.

When I was 18 I was going to away matches in the old second division. When I was 14 to 16 I was going to away matches in the old third division, using money earned on a paper round to pay my fair on the train. I wouldn't have dreamed of publicly abusing the players or managers of my club! Passion and youth do not excuse brainless actions that make problems worse!!
and bloody good fun it was away at Bristol Bournemouth Fulham Brighton Orient Walsall Oxford thse are just the ones i remember, you would have been hung if you said anything against the club in those days
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 06, 2011, 10:22:16 PM
Can't say i think his job is safe.  If we're doing as badly at the end of this month he'll be gone. Randy is giving him as much time as possible to turn things around to avoid sacking him and having us join the likes of Newcastle and Blackburn as national laughing stocks. February will be the tipping point as a new coach could still have a decent punt at keeping us up.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: dl9 on January 06, 2011, 10:24:44 PM
Being entitled to do something does not always make it a bright thing to do, Small Rodent. For example, you could buy a new car and then set fire to it because it needed a new set of tyres!

Any room for a French & Scottish double act in that car before it goes up in flames?
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: hawkeye on January 06, 2011, 10:25:34 PM
lose to blose and i wonder if RL will hold his nerve
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Apyadg on January 06, 2011, 10:26:10 PM
Can't say i think his job is safe.  If we're doing as badly at the end of this month he'll be gone. Randy is giving him as much time as possible to turn things around to avoid sacking him and having us join the likes of Newcastle and Blackburn as national laughing stocks. February will be the tipping point as a new coach could still have a decent punt at keeping us up.

He'd better hope it doesn't come to that. Rightly or wrongly, if Houllier gets sacked in February, whether we stay up or go down, it's going to look an awful lot like he's attempted to go another transfer window without dipping into his pockets.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 06, 2011, 10:38:06 PM
Can't say i think his job is safe.  If we're doing as badly at the end of this month he'll be gone. Randy is giving him as much time as possible to turn things around to avoid sacking him and having us join the likes of Newcastle and Blackburn as national laughing stocks. February will be the tipping point as a new coach could still have a decent punt at keeping us up.

He'd better hope it doesn't come to that. Rightly or wrongly, if Houllier gets sacked in February, whether we stay up or go down, it's going to look an awful lot like he's attempted to go another transfer window without dipping into his pockets.

yep. i don't think we'll go down but we're definetely not too good to go down and i hope RL doesn't think that. He needs to back him financially because the weaknesses in some areas of the pitch just can't be ignored whoever is manager. If a new guy comes in after the transfer window and has to make do with GH's signings then so be it
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: eric woolban woolban on January 06, 2011, 11:08:06 PM
Not lost a derby match yet...
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 06, 2011, 11:10:24 PM
Not lost a derby match yet...

Except the last time we played Blues.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: dl9 on January 06, 2011, 11:12:53 PM
Not lost a derby match yet...

And the prize for the most ominous post of the week goes to.........

(Despite a certain cup exit back on Dec 1st)
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: KevinGage on January 07, 2011, 09:34:52 AM
I'm so glad that Randy and the board are running our club rather than the majority of lynch-mob minded, Radio WM presenter soundalikes (you know, the ones who thought it was a "blessing" when the club captain suffered an injury earlier in the season) that have been posting here.

For a proportion (I believe a minority) of the crowd to respond to conceding a goal that was due mainly to us being reduced to playing 10 against 11 (when it clearly should have been 10 v 10) with chants of "you're getting sacked in the morning" was truly incredible. Had that shot hit the post, had Heskey's chance that hit the bar gone in etc. etc. then many of the same sheep-like idiots would have been going home smiling.

We frequently bemoan the lack of success football-wise in this area - I think we get what a minority of the support (those who form their opinions from "Franksey", "Rego" and other assorted Radio WM know-nothings) deserve and, indeed, help to come to pass.

I also considered the future of the season ticket I've had in the same seat in the Lower Holte since the stand was built (my support goes back to 1964 not just 1990!). However, the reason was that I couldn't bear the thought of being on the same side as these "unsupporters" who do not know how to back their team when they need it. Then I realised that most people around me shared my opinion - and probably don't post on here!

No doubt I'll get a warning from a moderator for slanging you all, especially as this only my 5th post!!!



Yawn.

We've already had a 'it's so called Villa fans wot did it' blamefest.

Get some original material.

Can't see anything you said there being worth a ban or a warning though.
If you want to embarrass yourself further go ahead.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 07, 2011, 09:58:59 AM
I saw Houllier on Match of the day and he said if we had won they would have been chanting my name!!

I think not mate.

Problem is what do we do? Is there anyone that can come in now knowing what we need? The last thing we want is to sign nobody in Jan, Maybe loan deals are the way forward for now and then we don't end up stuck with players another manager might not want?. I know one thing we need a striker we look woeful up front, there isn't enough firepower between Heskey & Agbonlahor, We need somoene to come in and give us a lift that's for sure
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 07, 2011, 10:08:57 AM
I saw Houllier on Match of the day and he said if we had won they would have been chanting my name!!
I was chanting his name on the final whistle, although I did add 'FUCK OFF' at the front of it.
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 07, 2011, 10:20:14 AM
Quote
When I was 18 I was going to away matches in the old second division. When I was 14 to 16 I was going to away matches in the old third division, using money earned on a paper round to pay my fair on the train. !!


All very noble, I'm sure. But you find me a 14 year old kid today who could fund a season of following Villa away on the proceeds of a paper round.

If clubs want to charge 40 quid to watch football that's up to them, but they should understand that fans will be much quicker to show their disapproval if they've paid 40 quid to be insulted by lazy bastard players rather than 20 quid.

What were you doing when you were 17, by the way?


Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 07, 2011, 01:22:25 PM
GH was just asked at the press conference if 'he' was worried about his job and his answer was
"#avfc A: I belong to this exclusive private club of four people under great pressure and I'm delighted to be in such company"
Matt Kendricks twitter update, he's at the press conference!
Title: Re: Breaking news on ssn - Houllier job safe
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 07, 2011, 01:24:34 PM
Nice to see 'he' is taking our crisis seriously! What a joke! Can't actually find 'the words to sum up how pissed off I am with him right now!
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