Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on January 06, 2011, 09:00:24 AM
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No, not the players themselves but the positions they were playing in against Sunderland. Surely our esteemed manager could see that it was totally ineffective? Young is not a striker, he's far better on the wing. Gabby also is far more effective up front. If I, plenty of others sitting around me and quite a few posters on here can see that then why can't he?
Then playing Young at the back for the last few minutes beggared belief to me.
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Ashley Young... our new quarter-back!
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Young works hard, but sometimes he's all fart & no shit.
Personally, I'd play Albrighton right, Downing left with 2 upfront. Heskey & a new striker.
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Totally agree
Downing on the right? WHY
Petrov was just bypassed all game and looks ridiculously slow
Don't forget bannan at centre half as well
Houllier is a fucking halfwit the same as his little poddle
I can't see a way back for him following the boo's and stick he got at the end, what is it now 3 wins in 16
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Young will be going soon I think but is a far better better winger than striker- gabby is not a good enough finisher at this level and needs to improve his finishing - not good enough to be in the team but our lack of decent strikers has plagued us for years- cummings can't be worse than what we have got already.
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Why? Because GH is a rubbish manager.
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I much prefer Ashley out wide as he can use his pace to greater effect, so why not heskey and gabby up front, Ashley wide right and Downing wide left?
Its not difficultbut to that french twat it's advanced nuclear physics
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One of the worst tactical decisions by a Villa manger I've ever seen in amtch we simply had to win to get the season back on track. What was even more amazing is that Houllier and his side kick obviously thought it was working ok, because they refused to change things. It took the Heskey sending off to move Gabby up front. Very angry after last night and now really concerned that we are going down.
Oh and why clap Heskey for such a dumb sending off! His madness (and lack of finishing) will cost us over the next 2 or 3 games. I hope he fined heavily!!
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Gabby is not that good, on the wing he is terrible. What worried me the most was there didn't appear to be any method going forward. Petrov has to be replaced urgently he is clueless.
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Because of the performance against Chelsea, if GH changed things around last night & we lost, he'd equally be getting shit for doing so.
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Because of the performance against Chelsea, if GH changed things around last night & we lost, he'd equally be getting shit for doing so.
But why not change the formation after 30 minutes or at half time when it clearly wasn't working? It was one of the worst tactical decisions I think I've ever seen down the Villa. Houllier is clueless.
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Not only did he nullify the effectiveness of our two most exciting forward players, which was his biggest sackable offence last night. He showed his willingness to play plenty out of position by having four centre halves across the back four.
He may as well go for broke, play Brad Friedel up front and put Barry Bannan in goal.
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Because of the performance against Chelsea, if GH changed things around last night & we lost, he'd equally be getting shit for doing so.
But why not change the formation after 30 minutes or at half time when it clearly wasn't working? It was one of the worst tactical decisions I think I've ever seen down the Villa. Houllier is clueless.
Exactly
When i heard the line up i thought good but after 20 mins when it wasnt working he did fuck all about it tgil the 87th minute.
To me we dont have enough fight in us and Petrov as out captain was so far off the pace it was embarrasing and a waste when we could have had bannan or Delph in there
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Because of the performance against Chelsea, if GH changed things around last night & we lost, he'd equally be getting shit for doing so.
The performance against Chelsea was away at Chelsea. We were at home to Sunderland, a Sunderland that is the epitome of average. We should have been going at them from the off in a 4-4-2. Now, allowing for Houllier's decision to keep a settled side he should have realised after 20 minutes like everybody else that was there that our set up was totally ineffective. It might have been more effective with Albrighton in Gabby's position as Gabby is not a winger and never will be.
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I think trying to make sense of GH's tactics will lead to sharing his insanity. He hasn't got a clue what he's doing.
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Was Geddy the manager who first started to put Heskey on the wings in his Liverpool days?
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Petrov has not been good enough for many years- we have problema all over the field and last night night was the lowest point in years - utterly shambolic!
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Because of the performance against Chelsea, if GH changed things around last night & we lost, he'd equally be getting shit for doing so.
When things are going bad, you try something different. When things are going well, you try to make as few changes as possible: as the players did well against Chelsea, it seemed sensible to play a similar side against Sunderland -- trying to build on that performance. Had Heskey managed managed to convert one of his massive chances in the first half, the opinion of GH's tactical nous could have been completely different. Instead of dishing out abuse, posters would have been claiming that Gabby is really most effective on the wing.
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Still think having 2 out and out wingers is a folly, especially if the two men in the middle are not of a decent quality.
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Because of the performance against Chelsea, if GH changed things around last night & we lost, he'd equally be getting shit for doing so.
When things are going bad, you try something different. When things are going well, you try to make as few changes as possible: as the players did well against Chelsea, it seemed sensible to play a similar side against Sunderland -- trying to build on that performance. Had Heskey managed managed to convert one of his massive chances in the first half, the opinion of GH's tactical nous could have been completely different. Instead of dishing out abuse, posters would have been claiming that Gabby is really most effective on the wing.
No they wouldn't. I don't remember him doing anything of note in attack. Gabby had a shocker, not his fault as he was out of position and totally ineffective in the role he was given. Even if we had won I would have said the same.
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I would prefer Ashley on the wing and Gabby up front it worked before so why don't GH put him there he causes chaos when he runs at people on the wing plus they double up on him which leaves space behind to be exploited and Gabby seems to play better with Ash out wide let's try it we have nothing to lose.
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Because of the performance against Chelsea, if GH changed things around last night & we lost, he'd equally be getting shit for doing so.
When things are going bad, you try something different. When things are going well, you try to make as few changes as possible: as the players did well against Chelsea, it seemed sensible to play a similar side against Sunderland -- trying to build on that performance. Had Heskey managed managed to convert one of his massive chances in the first half, the opinion of GH's tactical nous could have been completely different. Instead of dishing out abuse, posters would have been claiming that Gabby is really most effective on the wing.
That is utter balls. Anyone with half a brain could see it wasnt working.
When we played Chelsea we needed to absorb a lot of pressure and Gabby was a good outlet with his pace. Against Sunderland he was completely lost and ineffective. Heskey scoring from a Zenden cock up wouldn't have changed anything.
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not only is playing gabby and young out of position a joke the whole setup is a shambles what a joke playing Bannan and Young as center backs!
I have a formation that will work for you Houllier - P-4-5!
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Heskey scoring from a Zenden cock up wouldn't have changed anything.
Losing at home to Sunderland is frustrating, but claiming that taking the lead "wouldn't have changed anything" is strange. Taking the lead would have increased the likelihood of winning the match, and if we had won, I think the perception of the match and of Houllier's tactics would have been different.
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Still think having 2 out and out wingers is a folly, especially if the two men in the middle are not of a decent quality.
Spot on
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Why? Because GH is a rubbish manager.
Yet the same team and tactics nearly won us the game at Chelsea, who was managing then, Mon.
Oh no I forgot last time he managed a Villa side at Chelsea they lost 7-1.
Houllier didn't get it right as we lost, as we have too often already, but the same set of players did both games.
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Heskey scoring from a Zenden cock up wouldn't have changed anything.
Losing at home to Sunderland is frustrating, but claiming that taking the lead "wouldn't have changed anything" is strange. Taking the lead would have increased the likelihood of winning the match, and if we had won, I think the perception of the match and of Houllier's tactics would have been different.
If my Auntie had bollocks ashe would have been my Uncle.
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I am really torn on the world of how much more time to give Houllier but he had better stop this stupid experiment quickly.
In fact, can we stop with the whole business of Young playing off a striker.
We don't score enough and a Young/Heskey combo up front is never going to remedy that.
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I have a theory....
Imagine you are an foreign,under-fire manager.
One of your top paid players is stalling on a new contract-decreasing his value and adding to the pressure of your job.
He wants to play inside-behind the Striker,as he is sick of having his ankles kicked by full backs and wants to fulfil his dreams of being a scoring creative midfielder -not just a wonder winger...
if you indulge him he may want to re-sign for your club,thus securing a vital asset and also strengthening your position
The striker you have to shunt to the sidelines(literally) is a commited local lad who hasn't scored this season,but is fast and is contractually sewn up and unlikely to moan too loud to the media
thoughts gentlemen?
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After yet another manager makes a baffling team selection, I'm more convinced than ever they do it deliberately just to make them look like some kind of tactical oracle.
Houllier used to be a trophy winning manager and he produced those tactics last night?!
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Because of the performance against Chelsea, if GH changed things around last night & we lost, he'd equally be getting shit for doing so.
The performance against Chelsea was away at Chelsea. We were at home to Sunderland, a Sunderland that is the epitome of average. We should have been going at them from the off in a 4-4-2. Now, allowing for Houllier's decision to keep a settled side he should have realised after 20 minutes like everybody else that was there that our set up was totally ineffective. It might have been more effective with Albrighton in Gabby's position as Gabby is not a winger and never will be.
You have to ask where did Houllier think the goals were going to come from?
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Totally agree
Downing on the right? WHY
Petrov was just bypassed all game and looks ridiculously slow
Don't forget bannan at centre half as well
Houllier is a fucking halfwit the same as his little poddle
I can't see a way back for him following the boo's and stick he got at the end, what is it now 3 wins in 16
I didn't think I'd ever see a shorter Centre-Back than when NRC had to fill in there for a while. However, Bannan and Young as Centre-Halves was a sight to behold
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I have a theory....
Imagine you are an foreign,under-fire manager.
One of your top paid players is stalling on a new contract-decreasing his value and adding to the pressure of your job.
He wants to play inside-behind the Striker,as he is sick of having his ankles kicked by full backs and wants to fulfil his dreams of being a scoring creative midfielder -not just a wonder winger...
if you indulge him he may want to re-sign for your club,thus securing a vital asset and also strengthening your position
The striker you have to shunt to the sidelines(literally) is a commited local lad who hasn't scored this season,but is fast and is contractually sewn up and unlikely to moan too loud to the media
thoughts gentlemen?
Well thought out, sensible posts like that will get you nowhere on this forum
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I have a theory....
Imagine you are an foreign,under-fire manager.
One of your top paid players is stalling on a new contract-decreasing his value and adding to the pressure of your job.
He wants to play inside-behind the Striker,as he is sick of having his ankles kicked by full backs and wants to fulfil his dreams of being a scoring creative midfielder -not just a wonder winger...
if you indulge him he may want to re-sign for your club,thus securing a vital asset and also strengthening your position
The striker you have to shunt to the sidelines(literally) is a commited local lad who hasn't scored this season,but is fast and is contractually sewn up and unlikely to moan too loud to the media
thoughts gentlemen?
Cash in on Ashley Young. Try and get £20m.
Buy a new attacking midfielder that can create better chances for the local thicko upfront.
Resolved
:D
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I have a theory....
Imagine you are an foreign,under-fire manager.
One of your top paid players is stalling on a new contract-decreasing his value and adding to the pressure of your job.
He wants to play inside-behind the Striker,as he is sick of having his ankles kicked by full backs and wants to fulfil his dreams of being a scoring creative midfielder -not just a wonder winger...
if you indulge him he may want to re-sign for your club,thus securing a vital asset and also strengthening your position
The striker you have to shunt to the sidelines(literally) is a commited local lad who hasn't scored this season,but is fast and is contractually sewn up and unlikely to moan too loud to the media
thoughts gentlemen?
I think it's unlikely. Houllier is, at times, too stubborn for his own good. But I think (at least hope) that he is realizing that he's at the point where priority #1 must be results and that every decision should reflect this.
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I have a theory....
Imagine you are an foreign,under-fire manager.
One of your top paid players is stalling on a new contract-decreasing his value and adding to the pressure of your job.
He wants to play inside-behind the Striker,as he is sick of having his ankles kicked by full backs and wants to fulfil his dreams of being a scoring creative midfielder -not just a wonder winger...
if you indulge him he may want to re-sign for your club,thus securing a vital asset and also strengthening your position
The striker you have to shunt to the sidelines(literally) is a commited local lad who hasn't scored this season,but is fast and is contractually sewn up and unlikely to moan too loud to the media
thoughts gentlemen?
Problem is Houllier has stated that Ashley's best position is inside, not out on the wing. For all the effort Ashley puts in every game, I think he's very unproductive mainly by complicating everything rather than keeping it simple. Also, for somebody playing in that position, he offers very little goal threat so you have to ask, where are the goals going to come from?
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No, not the players themselves but the positions they were playing in against Sunderland. Surely our esteemed manager could see that it was totally ineffective? Young is not a striker, he's far better on the wing. Gabby also is far more effective up front. If I, plenty of others sitting around me and quite a few posters on here can see that then why can't he?
Then playing Young at the back for the last few minutes beggared belief to me.
100% agree.
And you can add that Cuellar and Clark, two reliable central backs, the only decent two that we had, have been employed as full backs.
And that Bannan and Albrighton were on the bench.
I suggest to change the titkle of the thread in, as they say in France: Mr Houllier folies, or Le Folies Houlière. ;)
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Problem is Houllier has stated that Ashley's best position is inside, not out on the wing. For all the effort Ashley puts in every game, I think he's very unproductive mainly by complicating everything rather than keeping it simple. Also, for somebody playing in that position, he offers very little goal threat so you have to ask, where are the goals going to come from?
This is probably an unwise comments from someone trying to defend GH but it does seem as if he thinks that Heskey is our most reliable goalscorer.
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"Well thought out, sensible posts like that will get you nowhere on this forum"
Sorry
I will try to rant a bit more
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Problem is Houllier has stated that Ashley's best position is inside, not out on the wing. For all the effort Ashley puts in every game, I think he's very unproductive mainly by complicating everything rather than keeping it simple. Also, for somebody playing in that position, he offers very little goal threat so you have to ask, where are the goals going to come from?
This is probably an unwise comments from someone trying to defend GH but it does seem as if he thinks that Heskey is our most reliable goalscorer.
Well it should be interesting to see how he changes things now we're without our prolific, reliable goalscorer.