Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: MadJohnnyC on January 06, 2011, 01:25:58 AM
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Before i start, let me open with the line ..... I know this is going to be controversial.
Anyone who pays their way is entitled to their opinion etc BUT
Our support lately has been diabolical. At home all year it has been like a morgue. Theres the same old faces in the Holte singing but it doesn't carry down beyond row 24. Then theres the (i hope to think, but am becoming increasingly concerned its not) minority in that crowd that cannot wait until we concede so that they can yell vitriol at the lads. Tonight for example, down to 10 men, conceded a goal to a strike Bardlsey has only ever dreamed of, and yet almost immediately the "YOUR GETTING SACKED IN THE MORNING" songs began. THIS WAS THE LOUDEST THE HOLTE WAS ALL NIGHT. If those singing that put half as much effort in to supporting the team then maybe, just maybe, we would create some kind of atmosphere.
Man City away was THE most depressing day I've ever encountered following the Villa. At this point i should mention my age (27) so forgive me elders I'm aware you have suffered much much more (but also seen highs i can only dream of). It was worse than the 3-0 at Blues, The countless drubbings at Anfield, the 5 zip at Highbury under O'Leary and the 6-0 to championship Newcastle.
Why? Well the fans. No matter how bad we are, it is not fun to take the p*ss out of our own team and only sing negative songs. Sheffield Utd is coming up. Lets sing our hearts out for the lads & maybe its our year for the cup!!!
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We need to get behind the team now. If we turn on each other then we really are bolloxed.
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Nope I earn in a year what they do in a week. GET ON WITH IT.Sorry I'm drunk with no sympathy at the moment
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It's a pretty depressing time to be a Villa fan. After the 'bright future' that seemed so certain we are now back in the midst of a relegation battle, who would have thought that? The fans are pretty much the last people who should be taking the blame now I think. I've lost count of the amount of times I have read newspaper articles containing the words 'long suffering supporters' with regard to Villa...
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I think the average villa fan is just exhibiting what the average Brit feels at the moment.The ConDems have done such a good job on selling us the we're deep in the poo story that this is just a reflection of where we are at the Villa.....hence we have to blame someone.
Bankers, Politicians ( of all colours),Estate Agents, Financial advisers,experienced Villa so called professionals just dont give a shit....we pay for them so we feel entitled to give them grief when they leave us to suffer whilst they enjoy the fruits of their 'labour'
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I would love to hold a season ticked and show my support but I can't afford it.
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I fully agree with the opening post. There is obviously a direct correlation with home support/ atmosphere/ all that other jazz and league position.
Which is why Arsenal are below us in the table.
Oh wait a second...
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I just looked at myself. I need a shave.
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Newcastle got relegated with a gate average of 50k. It's the players and managers fault that we are in this mess, not ours.
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Absolutely it's our fault, for paying that money turning up every week. 100%. Nothing to do with the way the team is set up or motivated or the piss poor performances on the pitch. I'm going to go and give myself a good telling off for last nights woeful showing.
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We are still acting like the person who has been dumped by the love of their lives. Hates everything and everybody, no enthusiasm for anything, no wanting to enjoy themselves... we need someone (a player or manager) to turn up to drag us out of the depression... and it has to happen quickly!
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In no way am i excusing the players and the management.
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In these recessionary times, if supporters can see the that the club's heart isn't really in it, they're going to vote with their feet, as they did last night.
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No Risso, that's wrong.
It's the fans wot did it as we don't have a wide enough repertoire of witty songs and rhythmic chants.
I'm surprised more clubs haven't clocked it, they could save an absolute packet. Rather than forking out millions on transfer fees for underperforming players and shit managers, Chairmen should just get the likes of Andrew Lloyd Webber or the cast of Fame and keep them on a retainer. For smaller clubs, they'll have to just raid the local amateur dramatics society.
I've read some absolute shit in my time but that takes the biscuit, cake and any other confectionery you'd care to mention.
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Blame us ??
Thats like saying the troubles and near bankruptcy we had in the 1960s was down to 13,000 turning up and being pretty quiet ( apart from when we chanted The Board must go) rather than the befuddled old men living in the past and selling off the family silver.
Anyway, if the fans are so important to the result then put Houllier in charge of us. He would only go and sit us all in the wrong stands I am sure.
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As I see it, over 30,000 Villa fans paid ( in some form or another) to watch Villa play last night and what they got was utter shyte from their team.
I'm sure the fans went to the game with positive expectations, but VP is quite a depressing place of late - as soon as you take your seat the feeling of anxiety comes over you.
Question marks over all sorts of players / team formation etc take the mind over.
It's as if, the fans are expecting a crap display and in truth, are usually getting one.
The air of despondency needs clearing and QUICKLY.
Only another change of Manager will make that happen - Houllier lost it a while ago.
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Tonight for example, down to 10 men, conceded a goal to a strike Bardlsey has only ever dreamed of, and yet almost immediately the "YOUR GETTING SACKED IN THE MORNING" songs began. THIS WAS THE LOUDEST THE HOLTE WAS ALL NIGHT.
Says it all really. People are entitled to their opinions but that sort of thing should be saved for the final whistle. That sort of negativity will rub off on the players, make no mistake.
It cracks me that there is/has been a "Holte End - The 12th Man" banner drapped from the Upper Holte. That 12th man might as well be Steve Hodge practicing underhit back-passes the way it is at times.
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It'd be nice if a few more bothered to turn up.
But that's not what's losing us games.
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In these recessionary times, if supporters can see the that the club's heart isn't really in it, they're going to vote with their feet, as they did last night.
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We are still acting like the person who has been dumped by the love of their lives. Hates everything and everybody, no enthusiasm for anything, no wanting to enjoy themselves... we need someone (a player or manager) to turn up to drag us out of the depression... and it has to happen quickly!
Very good post. That's exactly how it is. The heart fell out of the club in August and we all know why. We had it quite good for a long time and the sudden way we were 'dumped' was just hard to take. I could sense this watching the Europa game against rapid. it was liek watching villa in 1994/95. A sense of decline and a bit of ill fortune in the mix too.
If we could get Jol or Moyes I think we'd lift ourselves. Oh, and to carry London villan's analagy further, it'll only get worse for us whenever our 'ex' starts dating again and perhaps even wearing better clothes, looking better and doing things we'd hoped they'd have done wth us!
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We are still acting like the person who has been dumped by the love of their lives. Hates everything and everybody, no enthusiasm for anything, no wanting to enjoy themselves... we need someone (a player or manager) to turn up to drag us out of the depression... and it has to happen quickly!
Very good post. That's exactly how it is. The heart fell out of the club in August and we all know why. We had it quite good for a long time and the sudden way we were 'dumped' was just hard to take. I could sense this watching the Europa game against rapid. it was liek watching villa in 1994/95. A sense of decline and a bit of ill fortune in the mix too.
If we could get Jol or Moyes I think we'd lift ourselves. Oh, and to carry London villan's analagy further, it'll only get worse for us whenever our 'ex' starts dating again and perhaps even wearing better clothes, looking better and doing things we'd hoped they'd have done wth us!
Wearing 31 in a red shirt maybe ??
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I drove 3 hours to get to VP last night and 2 hours home again (less traffic).
I dont need anyone telling me I cold do more to support that shower. They are fortunate I even bothered to turn up.
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At times like these we need to all pull together and get behind the lads sing our heart's out and let the players and the club now we are 110% behind them.
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We need a rallying point though. GH messed that up with the Liverpool comments. He needed the fans on his side, but he has failed miserably to do that.
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My two mates and I were screaming encouragement all through the game.
As were many around me, didn't seem to make much difference.
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Not sure if its a brummie thing or not but all this negativity and moaning and being quiet until things go wrong and then getting on the teams back is not helping. Protesting, tnot turning up, boo-ing - its counter-productive.
Surely now, more than ever, the team needs our support. Its time to circle the wagons folks or we're doomed.
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I didn't Boo, I didn't sing the "Sacked in the Morning song" - I simply walked out, embarressed and ashamed at the performance. I never said a word all the way back to the car.
I'm more than happy to support the team, obviously, and will be making the trip to Sheffield on Sat to give the lads my backing, but, if you pay your money, surely you get the chance to sing, chant or boo whatever you like? (obviously nothing racist, or illegal, obviously)
I want to see more from the players, too. Surely it's give and take?
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I know what you're saying love joy but sometimes the team need to help the crowd. I thinks it's the manner of the defeats that getting us down. I know it is me. If they're losing but at least playing with gusto, pride, passion and the manager looks like he knows what he's doing then there's no reason to get on the back of anyone. U cheer on the team and give them all u can but when it's shite after shite after shite it starts to wear you down.
I don't agree with booing your own team. I don't see how that helps any one but u need to vent your frustration when it's sheer lack of concentration, stupidity and a clueless manager.
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Not sure if its a brummie thing or not
It's not.
Fulham, Liverpool, West Ham, Wolves have all been booed off in the last week or so.
get paid £50k a week and don't turn up for work then you should expect a group of hard-pressed supporters to let you know how they feel.
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Not sure if its a brummie thing or not but all this negativity and moaning and being quiet until things go wrong and then getting on the teams back is not helping. Protesting, tnot turning up, boo-ing - its counter-productive.
Surely now, more than ever, the team needs our support. Its time to circle the wagons folks or we're doomed.
No I don't see it as a Brummie thing, but yes I do think we need to stick together and even though half the fcukers on the pitch don't deserve I'll be backing them on Saturday because they play for Villa.
A few years ago this would've been different maybe I'm growing up (finally some would say) maybe it's to do with my interest and reading in the Ultras scene in mainland Europe, most Ultras will never turn on their team during a game, they may turn their main banner upside to show a sign of severe unhappiness with something at the club but still back the team 100% during a game. Protests are kept for when the team isn't playing.
I find something quite romantic about supporting team 110% even though their killing you inside and that's why I'll be cheering them like always come 3pm on Saturday.
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Our fans are fantastic, they have always been at the highest level.
I can't blame them if, after backing the team, are now annoyed and angry to see on the helm of the team a manager that plays four central defenders home with Sunderland, and keep on the bench our two best youngsters.