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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Fergal on January 05, 2011, 10:17:44 PM
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Who should our new manager be?
It may be that we need someone short term to get us out of the shit then a long term replacement.
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Who should our new manager be?
It may be that we need someone short term to get us out of the shit then a long term replacement.
Somebody. Anybody. Trevor Francis. Barry Fry. Anybody but Inspector Clueless.
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We need somebody to dig us out of the hole. Somebody who can grind results and get the lads up for a fight, restore pride in the jersey. I'm sick of Geds sophisticated (sounding) BS.
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Short term... Chris Hughton and if we do drop he can sort us out in the championship.
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We all know what the French are like in battle. Houllier, go NOW!
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Big Sam he will keep us up......................yes its got that fooking bad.......is this a nightmare???
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Martin Jol. Get him in now so he can spend some money.
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Martin Jol, he's free, and has some recent, successful premier league experience, not the had a couple of good seasons five years ago shite that we've got with Houllier. Just please God not Allardyce, I can't watch that every week. Or we could just wait till we're relegated and get Curbishley, he seems to be about our level at the moment...
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Anyone who can get us out of trouble. Doesn't have to be pretty football just someone who can motivate the players we have.
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If houllier goes then martin jol would be my choice but whoever it is would need to be appointed very fast- randy dithered for 5 weeks in the summer and must take his share of blame for this mess!
Whoever our manager is we need new signings this month and quickly!
Given a choice of houllier or keV mac I'd stick with houllier but jol was my choice in the summer and I'd still like him.
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Jol. Do it now. Give him a few weeks to bring in one or two players.
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Kevin Mac.
The players liked him, he'll revert to the football they know, Ireland have something to offer. He should get us six wins.
I like Houllier, and given time and resources I think he'd turn it round. But the facts are there, we need to win six games between now and the end of the season and we're not gonna do it under him.
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Steve Mac?
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lol Steve Macdonald... it doesn't seem such a bad idea.
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If you want to be sure of safety Big Sam.
If you want to go down the similar route of football and philosephy of Houllier, then Jol, but he is a younger man and may motivate the smelly turd that Martin shit Deals left us with, saw rotting and jumped away from.
If you want to go cheap, and maybe stay up but likely not, Houghton.
If you want to go to sleep Curbishley.
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Chris Houghton for me, please not big sam i would not go and watch his team and i think he would turn offf a lot of support
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Chris Houghton for me, please not big sam i would not go and watch his team and i think he would turn offf a lot of support
So would going down much much more
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lol Steve Macdonald... it doesn't seem such a bad idea.
Ronald McDonald might be an improvement at this point
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lol Steve Macdonald... it doesn't seem such a bad idea.
Ronald McDonald might be an improvement at this point
Or Ronald Reagan
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mite not be very attractive under big sam but if he got us the results that would do me fine
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Absolutely, Gianfranco Zola, he has a great experience on how to avoid the relegation of a team in claret and blue. . .
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I'd rather Steve Mac that Fat Sam.
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Harry Potter
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If people are going to suggest Chris Hughton, can you please spell his name right?
Sorry to be picky, just something that really pisses me off. Thanks.
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mike bassett
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I'll get pelters for this, but Mark Hughes.
By all accounts he was the boards first choice in the summer when they first got wind that MON was keen on the Redscouse job. If they were keen then, his currency can't have devalued that much in a few months. I accept that Fulham aren't a million miles off us at present, but he inherited an inferior squad there compared to the one GH inherited here and he's had a fair amount of injuries to contend with. We could judge him purely on his most recent record since August, but that ignores the job he did for Wales, Blackburn and Man Citeh.
He had the Welsh national side punching above their weight and getting results against big sides, took a struggling Blackburn side and made them regular European contenders (plus sourced gems like Bentley, RSC and Samba for bargain fees) and took Man Citeh to a cup semi final and top 6 when he left them.
He seems to get a decent reaction from his players more often than not and -Robinho/ Elano apart- you rarely heard reports of player revolts.
Were he to come in he might get a decent reaction from some of our existing players, plus -when he had real money to spend at Citeh- he was happy enough to buy largely British based players who were effective in this league. Players like Given, Lescott, Bellamy and possibly even Barry might be quite happy to work with him again. They'd all improve us no end.
I accept too that the criticism of MON was that his transfer policy was somewhat myopic and focussed on these Islands, so the above might look hypocritical. Personally I don't mind if most of our players are from Britain and Ireland or have played in the UK for an extended period. It's good to have a solid core to the side. Where I objected to MON's approach was that he seemed completely oblivious to any player playing his football outside of the UK. Hughes has shown in the past that he isn't as limited in his thinking and can source bargains too.
If not Hughes then Jol, but it concerns me that last time he was in England he had a squad as good as Tottingham's struggling around at the arse end of the table.
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There was a time under Big Sam when Bolton had the likes of Okocha and Campo that they played quite exciting football. I certainly didn't come away thinking it was dire when they whupped us 5-2 in the league cup semi.
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Can't really understand the Hughton thing. (Better Dave?)
He did ok at Newcastle, but for this situation? Or Jol - spent a fortune at Spurs, and got the boot in the relegation zone.
Coyle - offer him big money would be my ideal if being serious. If not him then giving it to Allardyce would be the only option. It would be fucking ugly at times though. Ugly sprikled with some brilliance, he like a skillfull one in there somewhere.
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Jol
Moyes
Coyle
Lambert (Norwich)
Any of the above ...No to Hughton but not dreadfull ...and dreadfull and big no thank you goes to Big Sam
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Can't really understand the Hughton thing. (Better Dave?)
Thanks :)
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Ralf Rangnick would be my shout if we're getting rid.
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Me! Im really good at football manager, and could do with a new job.
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Mark's list there looks good. Everton aren't going well, maybe Moyes would be easier to get now than in the summer? He's a better version of MON in my view. Coyle is probably the best young manager around and Jol is the obvious candidate. Any of those three and I'd be happy.
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Ralf Rangnick would be my shout if we're getting rid.
Very good shout. I had forgotten he had fallen out with the director and left.
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I agree with those who have said Martin Jol. Get Jol give him money. Don't give any money to Houllier so that means sach him.
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Unbelievably I find Big Sam an option at the moment. Yes the football would be poor but he would keep us up. I would however only give him to the end of the season and I m sure his ego wouldn't stand for that.
So I would be tempted with John Gregory but again just to the end of the season. He would organise us and make us difficult to beat. The football may not be the best but it's hardly like watching Brazil now is it ? If he could half the impact he had when he first became manager then at least we would be in the Premier League next year. We know he loves the club and his ego would love another crack at the premier league.
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Oh and isn't there a rule that prevents clubs taking other premier clubs managers in mid season? So that would rule Hughes and Coyle out ?
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Oh and isn't there a rule that prevents clubs taking other premier clubs managers in mid season? So that would rule Hughes and Coyle out ?
No such rule that I'm aware of. Didn't Coyle leave Burnley mid season?
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I agree with those who have said Martin Jol. Get Jol give him money. Don't give any money to Houllier so that means sach him.
pauliewalnuts
aftab235
Anybody left who thinks he shouldn't be sacked?
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An alcohol-influenced me.
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Steve McClaren maybe? Not having the best of time in Germany at present but won the Dutch league last season
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We need someone who knows what wrong with Aston Villa and buy players very very quickly and a good wheel dealer and make us play competitive and attractive football.
We can't wait for a patient person to have a look and think.
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Martin Jol.
Mind you. I did hear Stan Collymore pleading with MON to come back !
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Straight swap: Woy for Houllier.
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Martin Jol.
Mind you. I did hear Stan Collymore pleading with MON to come back !
No thank you.
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Got to be Martin Jol.
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Martin Jol.
Mind you. I did hear Stan Collymore pleading with MON to come back !
No thank you.
Seconded. That tw*t left us in the lurch five days before the start of the season and he has a lot to answer for.
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Got to be Martin Jol.
He left Spurs in the same League position as we are now, having spent millions.
Can't think of a single reason why that fat fool should get the job.
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Steve McClaren maybe? Not having the best of time in Germany at present but won the Dutch league last season
Was about to say the same thing. Just not convinced he's progressed enough. He did well in Holland but looks to have been found out in the more competative German league.
For me, it has to be Jol at the moment. Failing that, K-Mac or Hughton on a deal till the end of the season. I'd maybe even consider that outher scouser Benitez if it meant we didn't get Sam.
If we get Sam, I will stop giving a shit.
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Big Fat Ron
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Owen Coyle
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I see no more reason to get Jol in than there was to get Houllier in in the first place. Both have decent records in the Premier League and abroad, but at least Houllier has never been sacked for taking a team to the bottom six with a squad worth millions*
*if someone would like to pop that open goal away, I would be much obliged.
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Straight swap: Woy for Houllier.
Yes. I would take this in a shot.
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Owen Coyle, Roy Hodgson, Rafa Benitez, Kevin Mac, Sam Allardyce, Martin Jol.
Any of those would do. Personally I'd give it KMac, the players like him and he knows the methods to get the best out of him. Get us 6 wins to keep us up and then look to appoint a successor as soon as we're safe.
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The most hilarious thing would be to poach small heath's manager, we stay up with his dire tactics whilst small heath get relegated and then we fire him at the end of the season then goes back to Blose.
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Got to be Martin Jol.
He left Spurs in the same League position as we are now, having spent millions.
Can't think of a single reason why that fat fool should get the job.
He got Spurs playing decent football and got them to fifth twice.
He left Spurs in October - not exactly a real relegation battle.
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From www.eatsleepdribblefootball.com
ANCELLOTTI OUT IN FOUR WAY MANAGERIAL MERRY GO ROUND.
Can't be arsed to copy the text, but essentially it says that Ancellotti is off to manage Sporting Gijon, Gerard Houllier is leaving to go back and manage Liverpool, with Roy Hodgson coming to Villa and Avram Grant returning to Chelsea. MO'N favourite to take over at Wet Spam. If it happens, I'll be amazed.
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Got to be Martin Jol.
He left Spurs in the same League position as we are now, having spent millions.
Can't think of a single reason why that fat fool should get the job.
He got Spurs playing decent football and got them to fifth twice.
And Houllier took Liverpool to half a dozen trophies. O'Leary took Leeds to a Champions League semi-final.
It doesn't really mean a huge amount.
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A lot of fans I spoke to tonight advocated a return to KMac to right the ship. I do have problems with that solution, namely the transfer window (having his hands on the transfer budget is completely untried), the fact that after the summer and stringing him along somewhat, it'll have to be a two or three year deal to tempt him, and the basic fact that Villa didn't look any more stable defensively as they have done under Houllier. There's a danger of seeing KMac's tenure as a bit of a 'golden period' when realistically it was anything but.
Maybe we should go the Red Scouse route and ask a former legend back - Sir Brian, anyone?
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Ralf Rangnick would be my shout if we're getting rid.
Very good shout. I had forgotten he had fallen out with the director and left.
Was he the manager of Hoffenheim?
Personally I'd give it KMac, the players like him and he knows the methods to get the best out of him. Get us 6 wins to keep us up and then look to appoint a successor as soon as we're safe.
I cannot understand the clamour for KMac, he was shit the first time around so not sure why he would be better the second time.
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I'm not a huge fan but we wouldn't be relegated under Jol and we'd be much better to watch.
Long term I'd love Coyle, top manager in the making.
The board will give Big Sam a contract, hopefully he would just keep us up and then we'd get shot of him.
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No. Never go back. Just ask Sir GT.
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Ralf Rangnick would be my shout if we're getting rid.
Very good shout. I had forgotten he had fallen out with the director and left.
Was he the manager of Hoffenheim?
He was. Only left because one of his best players was sold against his wishes.
He's the standout choice for me, only issue would be whether it's too risky for him to come in at this point in the season.
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From www.eatsleepdribblefootball.com
ANCELLOTTI OUT IN FOUR WAY MANAGERIAL MERRY GO ROUND.
Can't be arsed to copy the text, but essentially it says that Ancellotti is off to manage Sporting Gijon, Gerard Houllier is leaving to go back and manage Liverpool, with Roy Hodgson coming to Villa and Avram Grant returning to Chelsea. MO'N favourite to take over at Wet Spam. If it happens, I'll be amazed.
This is the biggest pile of shite I've read in a while. Ancelotti from Chelski to Sporting Gijon? He may as well be linked with the job as coach of Nepal. Crisis club Chelsea bringing in the manager that wears a lucky scarf and has taken up permanent residence in the bottom three of his chosen league? And MO'N, out of the game for over six months, returning in a blaze of glory to New Pornographers FC? Utter tripe.
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From www.eatsleepdribblefootball.com
ANCELLOTTI OUT IN FOUR WAY MANAGERIAL MERRY GO ROUND.
Can't be arsed to copy the text, but essentially it says that Ancellotti is off to manage Sporting Gijon, Gerard Houllier is leaving to go back and manage Liverpool, with Roy Hodgson coming to Villa and Avram Grant returning to Chelsea. MO'N favourite to take over at Wet Spam. If it happens, I'll be amazed.
This is the biggest pile of shite I've read in a while. Ancelotti from Chelski to Sporting Gijon? He may as well be linked with the job as coach of Nepal. Crisis club Chelsea bringing in the manager that wears a lucky scarf and has taken up permanent residence in the bottom three of his chosen league? And MO'N, out of the game for over six months, returning in a blaze of glory to New Pornographers FC? Utter tripe.
He's made it up.
I don't think there's really a website called eatsleepdribblefootball.com
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Got to be Martin Jol.
He left Spurs in the same League position as we are now, having spent millions.
Can't think of a single reason why that fat fool should get the job.
He got Spurs playing decent football and got them to fifth twice.
And Houllier took Liverpool to half a dozen trophies. O'Leary took Leeds to a Champions League semi-final.
It doesn't really mean a huge amount.
Not sure what your point is here. A managers past doesn't count for anything?
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From www.eatsleepdribblefootball.com
ANCELLOTTI OUT IN FOUR WAY MANAGERIAL MERRY GO ROUND.
Can't be arsed to copy the text, but essentially it says that Ancellotti is off to manage Sporting Gijon, Gerard Houllier is leaving to go back and manage Liverpool, with Roy Hodgson coming to Villa and Avram Grant returning to Chelsea. MO'N favourite to take over at Wet Spam. If it happens, I'll be amazed.
This is the biggest pile of shite I've read in a while. Ancelotti from Chelski to Sporting Gijon? He may as well be linked with the job as coach of Nepal. Crisis club Chelsea bringing in the manager that wears a lucky scarf and has taken up permanent residence in the bottom three of his chosen league? And MO'N, out of the game for over six months, returning in a blaze of glory to New Pornographers FC? Utter tripe.
He's made it up.
I don't think there's really a website called eatsleepdribblefootball.com
Oh right. How very bizarre.
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Got to be Martin Jol.
He left Spurs in the same League position as we are now, having spent millions.
Can't think of a single reason why that fat fool should get the job.
He got Spurs playing decent football and got them to fifth twice.
And Houllier took Liverpool to half a dozen trophies. O'Leary took Leeds to a Champions League semi-final.
It doesn't really mean a huge amount.
Not sure what your point is here. A managers past doesn't count for anything?
That it's not always the reason to make an appointment.
Houllier has a better record than Jol in both England and abroad, so what's to say that Jol is going to do any better?
When he left Ajax they were fourth in the league. Why not go for one of the managers doing better than he was?
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You got to laugh aint ya, otherwise you'd cry.
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I agree with those who have said Martin Jol. Get Jol give him money. Don't give any money to Houllier so that means sach him.
pauliewalnuts
aftab235
Anybody left who thinks he shouldn't be sacked?
I've just got in, have had a drink and am extremley pissed off but...
Its as clear as a bell that this squad and GH cannot work together and keeping him on with no money to spend now, if we are to get rid in the summer, would mean a bottom six finish. With the league being as it is that would mean a real danger of being pulled into the relegation spots. If he's going to stay it will mean, in my mind, six players coming in and a big spend in Jan, will they gel? Dunno, its a massive risk.
Getting rid now would mean asking KMc to come in and steady the ship as there appears to be no obvious alternative candidate, would he give a shit after the GH appointment saga, you'd hope so but again its a big risk with someone the board have already said is not up to the job.
I'm of the opinion that bringing in the likes of Jol etc now would be the biggest risk of all.
The players have to take their share of the blame, they were shit tonight with no fight, no zip, no energy and a lot of them, I'm thinking especially of NRC, shying away from being in a position to accept the ball. In an ideal world I'd give GH money to bring in his own players and see what he can do but I think the players tonight, the arseholes, have got him the sack.
Its a tough choice for Randy, I'm still not sure what choice I'd make at this point but he's got to make his choice now, after the next leage game will be too late if he's to go.
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Ralf Rangnick would be my shout if we're getting rid.
Very good shout. I had forgotten he had fallen out with the director and left.
Was he the manager of Hoffenheim?
He was. Only left because one of his best players was sold against his wishes.
He's the standout choice for me, only issue would be whether it's too risky for him to come in at this point in the season.
I know he had a reputation for playing good football and is well thought of. More likely that he would wait for a bigger club in Germany in an environment where he would feel more comfortable I would think. Who was sold then Dave, was it Ibsevic or the african striker?
It would certainly be a head-turning appointment.
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For people calling for Owen Coyle, I get that he's today's news. But I'd be concerned with any manager that would just up and quit to go to the next big job. What makes anyone think he'd look at us in the same way when an even better looking bird comes along. 2 years and he'd be off. We need some stability if we are to make another appointment.
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We don't need one yet.
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I know he had a reputation for playing good football and is well thought of. More likely that he would wait for a bigger club in Germany in an environment where he would feel more comfortable I would think. Who was sold then Dave, was it Ibsevic or the african striker?
It would certainly be a head-turning appointment.
It was Luiz Gustavo (their defensive midfielder) who has signed for Bayern Munich. Like everyone who starts to do quite well in Germany eventually does.
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Got to be Martin Jol.
He left Spurs in the same League position as we are now, having spent millions.
Can't think of a single reason why that fat fool should get the job.
He got Spurs playing decent football and got them to fifth twice.
And Houllier took Liverpool to half a dozen trophies. O'Leary took Leeds to a Champions League semi-final.
It doesn't really mean a huge amount.
Not sure what your point is here. A managers past doesn't count for anything?
That it's not always the reason to make an appointment.
Houllier has a better record than Jol in both England and abroad, so what's to say that Jol is going to do any better?
When he left Ajax they were fourth in the league. Why not go for one of the managers doing better than he was?
Because he is out of a job, so if we could get him there would be no pissing around and he can come in and do what he needs to do quickly.
I guess the board will stick with the 'Premier League Experience' thing so the best bet, due to what he's done in the past would be Martin Jol. IMO
Houllier has a better record than most, he's still been dog shit though.
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For people calling for Owen Coyle, I get that he's today's news. But I'd be concerned with any manager that would just up and quit to go to the next big job. What makes anyone think he'd look at us in the same way when an even better looking bird comes along. 2 years and he'd be off. We need some stability if we are to make another appointment.
That was the same thinking the General came up with that ended with us getting Houllier in the first place. How many bigger jobs are there than Villa? Can you see Coyle ending up at Man U, Chelsea or Man City? If he did leave us for somewhere bigger, chances are it would mean he'd done a very good job in the meantime. Time to stop thinking and acting small time.
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Like the look of Owen Coyle , taking the Bolton job's done his CV no harm at all.
But we won't poach, that's been made clear.
There's only one out-of-work manager out there who stands out with a track record of lifting underperforming sides and pushing them beyond the sum of their parts.
And half of us didn't like him the first time round.
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Getting rid now would mean asking KMc to come in and steady the ship as there appears to be no obvious alternative candidate, would he give a shit after the GH appointment saga, you'd hope so but again its a big risk with someone the board have already said is not up to the job.
Unless the management have had thier collective heads up their arses for the past however many games they should have a shortlist of available people to step in. You might say it took them an eternity to appoint GH but hopefully that would just be a one off.
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Getting rid now would mean asking KMc to come in and steady the ship as there appears to be no obvious alternative candidate, would he give a shit after the GH appointment saga, you'd hope so but again its a big risk with someone the board have already said is not up to the job.
Unless the management have had thier collective heads up their arses for the past however many games they should have a shortlist of available people to step in. You might say it took them an eternity to appoint GH but hopefully that would just be a one off.
Any new manager is going to have to work with the squad we have, bringing your German fella in is nearly as big a gamble as keeping GH.
I'm not sure at all, I think I'd go with Kmac on a big bonus.
On another note, 10.30ish on Saturday??
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Another vote for Rangnick. Worked wonders at Hoffenheim
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Could he learn Brummie in two weeks?
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I know he had a reputation for playing good football and is well thought of. More likely that he would wait for a bigger club in Germany in an environment where he would feel more comfortable I would think. Who was sold then Dave, was it Ibsevic or the african striker?
It would certainly be a head-turning appointment.
It was Luiz Gustavo (their defensive midfielder) who has signed for Bayern Munich. Like everyone who starts to do quite well in Germany eventually does.
Oh right, cheers Dave.
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Could he learn Brummie in two weeks?
Hitz managed it, tho that mixture of German and Birminghamese was an unholy verbal alliance
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Getting rid now would mean asking KMc to come in and steady the ship as there appears to be no obvious alternative candidate, would he give a shit after the GH appointment saga, you'd hope so but again its a big risk with someone the board have already said is not up to the job.
Unless the management have had thier collective heads up their arses for the past however many games they should have a shortlist of available people to step in. You might say it took them an eternity to appoint GH but hopefully that would just be a one off.
Any new manager is going to have to work with the squad we have, bringing your German fella in is nearly as big a gamble as keeping GH.
I'm not sure at all, I think I'd go with Kmac on a big bonus.
On another note, 10.30ish on Saturday??
Mr ex - Hoffenheim would be a big risk at this point he'd be better (or someone like him) in the Summer. I think the best available would be Jol. He could start now, he knows the league, knows most of the players and would hopefully be a big enough name to get them going a bit.
For me we might as well leave it as it is rather than appoint Kmac.
10.30 will do for me.
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Again its fraught with danger, I think KMac can coax twenty points out of this lot with a nil spend. Then we can think about it again in the summer. Any outsider will be wanting to spend shit loads and have a four year contract, there is no-one out there now I'd want to give either to.
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Even Pardew's doing well with Newcastle.
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Even Pardew's doing well with Newcastle.
does that suggest the rot at Villa is beyond even Houllier? Newcastle have battered teams up there under Hughton and Pardew, so the players must still be unified and committed whoever the manager is. I'm not so sure that's the case at Villa right now, and I wouldn't put all of it down to Houllier's changes and methods.
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Houllier has to go. How can you look at that list on paper and think it belongs in the Not Pepsi Champs league? These guys just need motivation and solid tactics. GET UP AND STAY UP >:(
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And Kean at Blackburn.
Surely changing the manager is worth is as you're usually guarenteed a decent run of form at first?! Heck even Houllier got a win at Wolves in his first league game and a point against Chelsea back when they were still decent.
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Ditto Toronto. Also, I have to say, Newcastle through the middle of the park and up front are way more potent than we are. Carroll, Barton, Nolan would walk into our side.
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Ditto Toronto. Also, I have to say, Newcastle through the middle of the park and up front are way more potent than we are. Carroll, Barton, Nolan would walk into our side.
There's a distinct nastiness about all three of those players. Something we are sorely lacking right now.
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Yep. All 3 have bollocks. Strangely only Heskey appears to have grown a pair for us!
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well wasnt Curbishley interviewed twice , the same time has Houlier. expect Curbs then ;-@
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that's the frustrating thing...we could have waited and gone on with Kmac...How much worse could it have been?
If it had gone badly, at least the mood around villa park would haven't been as bad because it could have been viewed as just a temporary appointment...and if it had gone well, he could have kept on going till Randy had found the RIGHT person rather than the panic compromise candidate that we ended up with.
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How long is GH contract and how much will it cost to pay him off if he's sacked?
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Get Ancelotti in and soon we'll be playing Carlito's way.
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I don't think anybody is going to want to come to Villa at this point - not with the current position and situation. We can't keep falling into the Championship with GH. So, only option as far as I see it is to hope KMac would be willing to take them on to the end of the season - keep us up on pure fight and guts - and then make a more measured appointment in the summer.
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How long is GH contract and how much will it cost to pay him off if he's sacked?
Only two years wasn't it? It'll cost less than a year in the n-power Championship anyway.
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He ain't getting sacked, the club have been pretty damn clear on stating that this is the case. They have made two catastrophic mistakes, firstly in giving MON too much control and secondly in thinking that Houllier could come back into the premiership and pick up where he left off. I honestly think that the view now is ''we have to save face here by sticking with the man we choose.''
I think the only pertinent question now is what kind of backing will be given over the next few weeks to buy players, does Randy chuck the cheque book at GH in a desperate attempt to keep us up, or does he refuse to sanction any new blood and run the risk of us going down?
Put yourself in Randy's shoes right now as a pure businessman and ask yourself what you would do. Close the book and we might stay up and even if we go down we have a core of youngsters to bring us back, or say to hell with it and fight tooth and nail to preserve our unblemished stay in the Premiership?
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Wellanew manager would have precious little time to bring new players in so it will have to be someone who can revert to the limited style that the existing players can cope with, and make us hard to beat. Anyone with a bit of style in the way they want to play would just be pointless. Hate to say it but Big Sam is the only free manager at the moment that fits that criteria
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Would have to be someone who has been in the game and would have a ready made list of potential signings to get them in as soon as possible, but not fucking Allardyce. I would go for Ancelotti, Hodgson or, at a push, Hughes or Grant. They would need to get sacked pretty quickly though first. Wouldn't mind Eriksson. He has had success at every club he's ever managed, except Man City and most Man City fans thought he deserved more time.
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How long is GH contract and how much will it cost to pay him off if he's sacked?
Surely there must be some performance related clauses in the contract
ie. if you're not performing as manager, you can be dismissed without a huge payout
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Whatever I might want to happen I don't think Houllier will be sacked the only way he will go is if he resigns.
Houllier was a bad appointment, but if he goes now then the Board has to make sure he is not followed by another bad appointment. I wouldn't want to see Jol, Curbishly, Southgate or Allardyce here and think we should be approaching managers in work - which suggests they are not bad at what they do. Realistically Hughes, Moyes or Coyle could all be persuaded that long term the grass will be greener here All three should have enough about them to keep us up with what we have even if they can’t buy in January. Then we rebuild in the summer.
If Houllier remains then RL has to take the risk of whether to trust him with the cash to add his players to the squad. Based on Houllier’s performance to date here is no guarantee that he will keep up even with a few additions. We are in a freefall of our own making
Only the Villa can f***k up your life like this. How have we got so bad so quickly? I hate football.
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I'm sure this observation has been made before but I think Villa's and Liverpool's fortunes would be improved if we swapped managers.
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Swap Ireland for Gerrard too.
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Wellanew manager would have precious little time to bring new players in so it will have to be someone who can revert to the limited style that the existing players can cope with, and make us hard to beat. Anyone with a bit of style in the way they want to play would just be pointless. Hate to say it but Big Sam is the only free manager at the moment that fits that criteria
I'd rather DOL and GH combined than that fat bastard Allardyce. I wouldn't renew my season ticket next season that's for sure. The football would be consistently worse than MON and we wouldn't finish anywhere near as high as with MON.
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Wellanew manager would have precious little time to bring new players in so it will have to be someone who can revert to the limited style that the existing players can cope with, and make us hard to beat. Anyone with a bit of style in the way they want to play would just be pointless. Hate to say it but Big Sam is the only free manager at the moment that fits that criteria
I'd rather DOL and GH combined than that fat bastard Allardyce. I wouldn't renew my season ticket next season that's for sure. The football would be consistently worse than MON and we wouldn't finish anywhere near as high as with MON.
I agree with you mostly, but if we got Big Sam in, I would be fairly certain we would survive. The prospect of having him the season after would be quite painful though.
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Firstly,the only way we'll see the back of GH is if we get relegated,if we stay up he'll get a stay of execution,only because Randy took a lot of time and thought into appointing him and doesn't want to look like an arse in getting rid of him quickly.
If and when it happens,id prefer to see a younger manager on the up who has fresh ideas and a different outlook. Di Matteo,O'Driscoll,Lambert,Laudrap,Bilic. Better these than the tired old names who's names are always banded around when a job is on offer
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Me
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Big Sam ?
so he keeps us up, wow we,
then when we are playing the most turgid uninspiring boring football in front of home crowds of 22500 for the next couple of years,
and everyone on here is moaning like hell, it will be the biggest mistake of all times to appoint alardyce
i'd rather go down, and start again
i realise the football on display now is not inspiring , but the managers football style is trying to be a bit more expansive than that longterm.
whereas Big Sam's is hoof ball and no apoligies, thats it thats what your gona get for the next 2/3 years,
is that what you really want, just to stay in the prem league ?
years of shit football to watch, just for some mid table premieship saftey,
how can you take your little kids to VP and say 'look thats Aston Villa out there, playing football !!!'
they'l be of like a shot to Arsenal, Man Utd, saying 'thats proper football Dad, what you watch in your half empty stadium is not the game i want to see, thanks anyway, now where's me red and white bobble hat'
if Houllier goes, i'm a ABA - anyone but Allardyce, [or any other hoof ball merchant]
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After sleeping on it the man has got to go.
I fear we will do a Newcastle, wait until it is too late and sack the manager then appoint KMac (Shearer) who will not have enough time to save us (I don't want KMac but think he will take over.)
Just seen his interview with Sky, Is this a joke to him?!? The bloke is a cancer at our club. Get rid now before it's too late. He has done fuck all to earn himself time/ transfer funds.
Even if he does bring in players the maximum he will get is probably 3/4 that leaves the same 6/7 who clearly don't want to play football for this inept fool.
FUCK OFF BACK TO YOUR DESK JOB IN FRANCE!
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I'm amazed at how many football purists we have who would rather get relegated than have a solid manager such as Allardyce. He wouldn't be my my dream appointment but some of the snobbery is baffling to me. Was his Bolton team with djorkaeff and okocha really so unbearable to watch? With his statistical analysis and functional football he reminds me of a sir Graham lite.
There seems to be a sense of entitlement among fans, players and management at present that is divorced from reality somewhat.
Houllier must be a capable manager given his record, but seemingly not for our current players, maybe he's just past it. If we are to replace him it needs to be quickly and I imagine cheaply. I would appoint someone who looked on the villa job as a step up, in the same way Coyle did at Bolton.
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I'm amazed at how many football purists we have who would rather get relegated than have a solid manager such as Allardyce. He wouldn't be my my dream appointment but some of the snobbery is baffling to me. Was his Bolton team with djorkaeff and okocha really so unbearable to watch? With his statistical analysis and functional football he reminds me of a sir Graham lite.
There seems to be a sense of entitlement among fans, players and management at present that is divorced from reality somewhat.
Houllier must be a capable manager given his record, but seemingly not for our current players, maybe he's just past it. If we are to replace him it needs to be quickly and I imagine cheaply. I would appoint someone who looked on the villa job as a step up, in the same way Coyle did at Bolton.
agree with you about Coyle, if Houllier was to go, he would be one appointment that would be great.
regarding the relagation before Allardyce, i would hate to see his style of play at VP, its just not what i want to watch week in week out, premiership or not,
the championship doesnt fill me with a near death experience as it does others,
i obviously dont want to go down,
but would rather we were building something progresive and attractive especially with the young players we have in the championship than relying on set plays, throw ins and the big hoof under Sam in the prem
i also realise that in now a days we have all swallowed the sky pill and the prem is the promised land and anything else is a wasteland, but not for me, i've seen Villa in the 3rd Div, and i know we are in totaly different days now, but the threat of Allardyce football is still more worrying to me than Championship football,
you can only post the way you feel, if that makes me a football snob as you say, then i will have to take it on the chin, but thats the way i feel,
i love football and i love Villa in that order,
the very reason i support Villa is because i love to watch football, i've never been a win at all costs sort of person, and get just as much enjoyment sometimes as watching my lad play in the UCL prem league,
under Allardyce it would just be to painful to bear for me,
just being honest
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I don't care about style of play, I want to stay up and if something is'nt done now, we are going down to the Fizzy Pop League.
I will accept the devil himself as manager if that can be attained.
That means Sam Allardyce, who I hate, on a contract to keep us up and organise our team, which this idiot is incapable of, which I said when he was appointed.
The sight of Ashley Young taking free kicks in the right back position and playing as our last man surely has convinced everyone now ?
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Just been announced on the Beeb that Houllier has Randy Lerner's full backing and there is no time frame set for him to turn things round. So looks like we're stuck with him. And looks like we WILL now go down
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Just been announced on the Beeb that Houllier has Randy Lerner's full backing and there is no time frame set for him to turn things round. So looks like we're stuck with him. And looks like we WILL now go down
Heaven help us.
We're fucked.
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Just been announced on the Beeb that Houllier has Randy Lerner's full backing and there is no time frame set for him to turn things round. So looks like we're stuck with him. And looks like we WILL now go down
Can't find this on BBC Sport website ?
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Fair enough John e, I'm not convinced that our current players would respond to Allardyce, equally im not convinced he'd be a bad appointment, same goes for Jol or other available options.
I think it's a massive gamble whether Randy sacks Houllier or whoever he appoints. Just a shame that it appears there may be two more attractive vacancies becoming available at the same time, I suspect that will make up Randys mind to stick rather than twist.
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Just been announced on the Beeb that Houllier has Randy Lerner's full backing and there is no time frame set for him to turn things round. So looks like we're stuck with him. And looks like we WILL now go down
Then our fate is sealed
RIP AVFC
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Just been announced on the Beeb that Houllier has Randy Lerner's full backing and there is no time frame set for him to turn things round. So looks like we're stuck with him. And looks like we WILL now go down
Can't find this on BBC Sport website ?
It was on the last sports update on the BBC News site. They were doing a piece on the 4 PL managers under pressure and said they'd just had that update from 'a senior source at VP' quoting RL
Hopefully it's the dreaded vote of confidence
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Just been announced on the Beeb that Houllier has Randy Lerner's full backing and there is no time frame set for him to turn things round. So looks like we're stuck with him. And looks like we WILL now go down
Sleepwalking into oblivion. We are going down.
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Just been announced on the Beeb that Houllier has Randy Lerner's full backing and there is no time frame set for him to turn things round. So looks like we're stuck with him. And looks like we WILL now go down
Can't find this on BBC Sport website ?
It was on the last sports update on the BBC News site. They were doing a piece on the 4 PL managers under pressure and said they'd just had that update from 'a senior source at VP' quoting RL
Hopefully it's the dreaded vote of confidence
Yep.Just breaking on SSN.Happy days :(
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If he's staying then he needs to be backed by bringing in 6/7 players now because the mix of GH in charge and MON's team on the field will mean us being in and around the bottom six for the rest of the season.
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No time frame? Thats an odd thing to say considering weve got 4 months to avoid relegation.
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Just been announced on the Beeb that Houllier has Randy Lerner's full backing and there is no time frame set for him to turn things round. So looks like we're stuck with him. And looks like we WILL now go down
Sleepwalking into oblivion. We are going down.
Sadly, I can't disagree.
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Houllier also insisted he retains the backing of club owner Randy Lerner and chief executive Paul Faulkner.
"I spoke to Paul Faulkner and he was very supportive," the Villa manager added. "I don't doubt Randy Lerner's firm support and determination. We are in this together for better or worse."
Oh dear....
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Houllier also insisted he retains the backing of club owner Randy Lerner and chief executive Paul Faulkner.
"I spoke to Paul Faulkner and he was very supportive," the Villa manager added. "I don't doubt Randy Lerner's firm support and determination. We are in this together for better or worse."
Oh dear....
It doesn't actually say Randy Said I am safe. I hope it's just piss poor reporting and the fool gets sacked tonight or when Randy can get back to Villa Park...
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RIP AVFC
Eh?
I didn't realise that our financial position was so bad that relegation would kill the club.
We might go down, but we are still Aston Villa.
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Phil Brown? Oh just got the Preston job - Damn!!!
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Some on here are worried it might be Big Sam.
My biggest worry is that it might be FSW. I couldnt stomach that.
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Benitez would be a very good appointment tbh.
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I am still backing Houllier to turn it around BUT if he did leave mid season...I would give John Gregory the job until the end of the season with the promise that if we stayed up he would a years extention.
For someone to come in at this stage of the season, they have to know the club.
BTW I think we will stay up with GH.
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I've stuck up for the clown until now but he has to go.
If Hodgson gets the tin tack at Liverpool I'd get him in. His stock will be low after his "failure" there and he would as thus be gettable. Guys like Owen Coyle and even Martin Jol I don't see coming in this situation. I'd back Uncle Woy to keep us up.
My second choice is Big Sam. He is a good manager and he has actually found some good value hidden gems at Bolton and Blackburn (cf N'Zonzi last season - Though what's happened to him this?). People criticise his football but we're not playing champagne football now and I don't think our team is built for it anyway. Sam will keep us up. Give him an 18month deal. He's out of work and wants a challenge and he'll see it as a good job. Half a season to keep us up and another to stabilise things. If he does well (Europe, Cup win...) Give him an extension. The same goes for Roy. Let them keep us up and stabilse the club. At the end of the deal we can then either keep them on or pursue a Moyes, Coyle, Rangnick or Jol who won't be as gettable or enough of a known quantity for where we are at.
The board need to be ruthless. Sack Houllier and bring a new man in short term and then be ruthless with him. Giving Houllier time is exactly the opposite. It is procrastinating and being indecisive. We all have our bete noir managers (personally Alan Curbishley is mine) but a short period of Allardyce is better than relegation. With our vast wage bill it will be damaging and a particularly unpleasant (though probably not fatal) experience.
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Not over keen with big Sam but do believe he would keep us up. Missing this window though could prove fatal .....
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The board are dithering. I hope its just a PR exercise. Rvrn if we do stay up I can't see us ever being successful with GH.
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I miss the 90s when a vote of confidence meant the chop.
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No. Never go back. Just ask Sir GT.
Harry didnt do bad in his 2nd spell at Pompey
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Houls or a caretaker for this season.
My choice for 2011-12 onwards would be................ Ian Holloway !!
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Houls or a caretaker for this season.
My choice for 2011-12 onwards would be................ Ian Holloway !!
this and more this.. with a side of.... this.
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Colin Wanker
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Gérard Xavier Marcel Depardieu
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Then our fate is sealed
RIP AVFC
The club has survived far far worse than what we are going through now. It will survive this. I don't think there's any need for the melodrama.
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Benitez would be a very good appointment tbh.
Could we stomach another liverpool loving manager?
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Jimmy Tarbuck?
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Frank Rikaard will sort us get the cash out RL