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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: wif on January 03, 2011, 03:18:06 PM
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Cleveland Browns have sacked Eric Mangini following the Browns' 5-11 season.
Any relevance to this side of the pond? Probably not.
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Wonder if he did it via SMS?
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Mangenius fails again.
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What's a 5-11 season?
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What's a 5-11 season?
Won 5, lost 11
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What's a 5-11 season?
You mean as a Villa fan you don't know Eamonn?!!!
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Actually Mike Holmgren who is the president who were hired to run the whole show (Former Green Bay/Seattle Head Coach and San Francisco 49ers QB coach)
fire Eric Mangini as head coach. Think he want to change the offence to west coast offence which is Bill Walsh's 49ers passing game.
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A West Coast Offence?
American football is a game I'll never ever understand.
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A West Coast Offence?
Brian Wilson at Glastonbury.
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Rumour is that "The Walrus" wants to takeover as Head Coach himself
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American Football is a right load of old bollocks.
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Rumour is that "The Walrus" wants to takeover as Head Coach himself
Oooooh.
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I thought Barry White was dead.
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I know nothing of these American sports you speak of.
I doubt Americans know about ours either, the General and Randy excepted of course.
Ohhh ahhh Bob Boonah
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Today is called Black Monday in the NFL. It's the first day after the Regular Season has ended and teams make changes to their coaching staffs. Mangini was on the block last season, and that record despite some temporary highs was always goes to get him fired. I expect there will be 3 or 4 more at least in the next few days.
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Mangini was on the block last season
Wow they are ruthless on losers. We usually just sack them and give them £5 million.
(http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/kmh/lowres/kmhn584l.jpg)
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Mangini was on the block last season
Wow they are ruthless on losers. We usually just sack them and give them £5 million.
(http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/kmh/lowres/kmhn584l.jpg)
I see you found a picture of the General doing Randy's dirty work.
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As a fair weather NFL fan,why are the Browns consistantly terrible? Poor management appointments? Should we be worried over here?
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As a fair weather NFL fan,why are the Browns consistantly terrible? Poor management appointments? Should we be worried over here?
They're actually a lot like us. They've had blips of success in the last 20 years but nothing that was ever sustained. Remember in the NFL, there's only one thing everyone plays for so it's not like you can win a League Cup if you don't win the big prize. They have an incredibly rich history pre-NFL. A bit like us, pre-Premier League and Sky.
Hard to say on the appointments. I think Randy has got it spot on with the current General Manager/President in Mike Holmgren. He was a very successful coach, and is very respected in the game. The coach that just got fired wasn't hired by Holmgren, so it was inevitable he was eventually going to look to bring in his own man that shared the same philosophy. The Browns will be ok. The did improve in some areas this season, but they are in a division with 2 teams that are always very good indeed (Baltimore and Pittsburgh), so they have a lot of catching up to do.
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Ta for that,can Jim Brown offer any help? What does he do nowadays?
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I hope both us and cleveland have some success because Randy deserves it for what he has done for us both.
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Jim Brown did do some publicity work with the organization last year. I think there was some sort of falling out this year.
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As a fair weather NFL fan,why are the Browns consistantly terrible? Poor management appointments? Should we be worried over here?
They are also in a tough division up against the Steelers and the Ravens who they have to play twice each season, meaning that they are effectively four losses to the good before the season starts.
No different from us against ManUre and Chelsea most seasons, but still, the point remains.
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The Browns are nothing like us... they're an awful American Football team and they're just a failure; not to mention this is the SECOND Cleveland Browns franchise.
The mistake on the lake, that's the city of Cleveland - they'll always suck at sports. The Browns choked against Denver twice in AFC Championship games then their owner took away their team and relocated to Baltimore (although they act like they were never relocated lol). The Cleveland Cavaliers lost the best basketball player in the world in the Summer as he joined the glamourous Miami Heat and the Cleveland Indians, well they're just useless too losing a World Series when they should of won.
I'm slightly surprised the Browns ended up with a 5-11 record (same record as last season lol) because their record really doesn't suggest how well they've actually played. They beat the Patriots and Saints... they just lost their heads towards the end of the season losing a few games. They should of really ended up at 7-9... they're not as bad as their record suggests, they brought in a really good quarter-back and made some good trades.
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A West Coast Offence?
Brian Wilson at Glastonbury.
2-Pac committed a few.
Anyway, just sell it Randy and put the money where your heart is.
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American Football is a right load of old bollocks.
If they knew what Bollocks was/were.
Bollocks means bad.
The Dogs Bollocks are very good.
Or how to confuse an American.
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The Browns are nothing like us... they're an awful American Football team and they're just a failure; not to mention this is the SECOND Cleveland Browns franchise.
The mistake on the lake, that's the city of Cleveland - they'll always suck at sports. The Browns choked against Denver twice in AFC Championship games then their owner took away their team and relocated to Baltimore (although they act like they were never relocated lol). The Cleveland Cavaliers lost the best basketball player in the world in the Summer as he joined the glamourous Miami Heat and the Cleveland Indians, well they're just useless too losing a World Series when they should of won.
I'm slightly surprised the Browns ended up with a 5-11 record (same record as last season lol) because their record really doesn't suggest how well they've actually played. They beat the Patriots and Saints... they just lost their heads towards the end of the season losing a few games. They should of really ended up at 7-9... they're not as bad as their record suggests, they brought in a really good quarter-back and made some good trades.
they're a lot like us. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Randy saw a little bit of the Browns in us when he was looking to buy a PL team. Football didn't start in 1992 with the PL. Neither did American football start with the NFL. Look back at Browns history pre-NFL and you'll find they were very successful. They've been poor of late, but then we've not really been shining light in English football for a while either.
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American Football is a right load of old bollocks.
This
What he said
Agreed
Good post
Spot on
Yes
and those pyramid things
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The only reason you don't understand it is because you don't like it.
Hold on, I've got that back to front, haven't I?
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The Browns are nothing like us... they're an awful American Football team and they're just a failure; not to mention this is the SECOND Cleveland Browns franchise.
The mistake on the lake, that's the city of Cleveland - they'll always suck at sports. The Browns choked against Denver twice in AFC Championship games then their owner took away their team and relocated to Baltimore (although they act like they were never relocated lol). The Cleveland Cavaliers lost the best basketball player in the world in the Summer as he joined the glamourous Miami Heat and the Cleveland Indians, well they're just useless too losing a World Series when they should of won.
I'm slightly surprised the Browns ended up with a 5-11 record (same record as last season lol) because their record really doesn't suggest how well they've actually played. They beat the Patriots and Saints... they just lost their heads towards the end of the season losing a few games. They should of really ended up at 7-9... they're not as bad as their record suggests, they brought in a really good quarter-back and made some good trades.
they're a lot like us. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Randy saw a little bit of the Browns in us when he was looking to buy a PL team. Football didn't start in 1992 with the PL. Neither did American football start with the NFL. Look back at Browns history pre-NFL and you'll find they were very successful. They've been poor of late, but then we've not really been shining light in English football for a while either.
We are absoloutely NOTHING like the Cleveland Browns... we're nowhere near as bad as them, if we were an NFL team we'd have gone either 10-6 or 11-5 in the last 3 seasons and we'd have atleast 1 Superbowl. The Cleveland Browns have never won a Superbowl, have only ever made the playoffs once and have only had 2 winning seasons in 11 years (note I'm talking about the 'new' Browns franchise... the old one plays in Baltimore now so there previous records count diddly squat despite how the Browns like to portray as if the Browns never got taken away then were given a new franchise).
Taking all things into account and looking at it broadly, we're more like the Chicago Bears, Denver Broncos or Miami Dolphins.
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I understand it perfectly well, I even used to follow it when it first made an impression over here. But, three hours or the best part off to complete a game, half time entertainment consisting of something akin to an Olympic opening ceremony.....load of bollocks.
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I agree about the television commercials being a bit annoying, but a dull game is no less boring than Birmingham vs Blackburn playing each other. Most people I come across don't like NFL and claim it's 'boring' when they no zilch about the game or the rules and how it's played. Once people have the rules explained to them and they know the basics you'll often find they start to get interested in it. It's as annoying as those Yanks saying 'soccer' is a 'pussy' and 'boring sport' - they don't know what they're talking about - just spouting nonsense.
But yeah, for a game that's meant to be 60 minutes long they could make it a bit shorter cutting out pointless things - but when you've got a good game you don't really care how long it lasts for as long as you're seeing touchdowns and DeSean Jackson showboating in the endzone. I dare anyone to call it 'boring' after they watch a replay of the New York Giants vs Philadelphia Eagles a few weeks ago.
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I've never been to an NFL game, but I went to a CFL game (Canada's equivalent, very similar except they have only three downs) and it was was three hours of top notch entertainment interspersed with a few frantic moments of sporting endeavour. Loved every second of it.
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I've been a Green Bay Packers fan since 1983. I love American football. It's also a blast to play.
I understand why people dont like it. It's not very free flowing and open but its very tactical and if you can accept it for what it is, very enjoyable.
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I've been a Green Bay Packers fan since 1983.
Mike Vick and DeSean Jackson will be stylin' on the Packers in the Wildcard game...
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I've been a Green Bay Packers fan since 1983.
Mike Vick and DeSean Jackson will be stylin' on the Packers in the Wildcard game...
Jackson will spend most of his time looking back to see Vick eating dirt. Good luck against tha defence, Philly.
Aaron Rodgers and his boys however...
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The Browns will have to pay Mangini almost $8m for the remaining two years he had left on his contract.
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I've been a Green Bay Packers fan since 1983.
Mike Vick and DeSean Jackson will be stylin' on the Packers in the Wildcard game...
Is that good or bad?
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I've been a Green Bay Packers fan since 1983. I love American football. It's also a blast to play.
I understand why people dont like it. It's not very free flowing and open but its very tactical and if you can accept it for what it is, very enjoyable.
Who d'ya play for Maz? I was nose tackle & center for the Tamworth Trojans 1987 - 91
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What the fuck is a nose tackle?
And why did Tamworth's American football team name themselves after a brand of condom?
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What the fuck is a nose tackle?
Lee Bowyer stamping on Sagna.
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I've been a Green Bay Packers fan since 1983. I love American football. It's also a blast to play.
I understand why people dont like it. It's not very free flowing and open but its very tactical and if you can accept it for what it is, very enjoyable.
Green Bay is my team!
Fantastic ground makes even our best look like a pile of shite
Had a great time over thier earlier in 2010
Mark
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What the fuck is a nose tackle?
And why did Tamworth's American football team name themselves after a brand of condom?
A nose tackle is another name for an ugly looking twat who's job it is to smack the shit of an equally ugly looking twat standing opposite him. We were named after a condom 'cos our defense (sic) used to fuck everyone up.
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What the fuck is a nose tackle?
And why did Tamworth's American football team name themselves after a brand of condom?
A nose tackle is another name for an ugly looking twat who's job it is to smack the shit of an equally ugly looking twat standing opposite him. We were named after a condom 'cos our defense (sic) used to fuck everyone up.
Or the team was full of cocks?
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What the fuck is a nose tackle?
And why did Tamworth's American football team name themselves after a brand of condom?
A nose tackle is another name for an ugly looking twat who's job it is to smack the shit of an equally ugly looking twat standing opposite him. We were named after a condom 'cos our defense (sic) used to fuck everyone up.
Or the team was full of cocks?
Yeah that too. But they mainly played on the offense. :P
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I understand it perfectly well, I even used to follow it when it first made an impression over here. But, three hours or the best part off to complete a game, half time entertainment consisting of something akin to an Olympic opening ceremony.....load of bollocks.
99% of half times are as plain as those at any of Villa's games.
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I've been a Green Bay Packers fan since 1983. I love American football. It's also a blast to play.
I understand why people dont like it. It's not very free flowing and open but its very tactical and if you can accept it for what it is, very enjoyable.
Who d'ya play for Maz? I was nose tackle & center for the Tamworth Trojans 1987 - 91
Christ, I might have played you!
Birmingham Bulls, Sutton Coldfield Royals (very briefly) and Birmingham University Lions (early days).
I was a running back (half back) mostly but also an occasional quarterback when required and an outside linebacker on defence.
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I've been a Green Bay Packers fan since 1983. I love American football. It's also a blast to play.
I understand why people dont like it. It's not very free flowing and open but its very tactical and if you can accept it for what it is, very enjoyable.
Who d'ya play for Maz? I was nose tackle & center for the Tamworth Trojans 1987 - 91
Christ, I might have played you!
Birmingham Bulls, Sutton Coldfield Royals (very briefly) and Birmingham University Lions (early days).
I was a running back (half back) mostly but also an occasional quarterback when required and an outside linebacker on defence.
lol if you played RB for the Royals then there is every chance we have bumped heads in the past. When it all went tits-up at Tamworth in 1990 most of our players went to the Royals. Shame that the coaching staff there couldn't hande a sudden influx of players all better than their current playing staff though. It wasn't pretty.
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I never had the available time that I wanted to play. It was just a case of getting a game whenever I was available and the better the teams got, the harder that became and the harder it was to get in. But I was a decent RB and that helped.
I had a decent run for the Bulls in the early 90s but that was it really.
The Royals was one or two games and a few training sessions and the Lions came about because I was working at the Uni and got involved in helping set the team up properly. Not a coach as such but a senior player who helped out occasionally. Playing against spindly clueless students was a bit too easy.
It lasted a season at best. Good to see them so strong now though. They have big crowds too.
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As a fair weather NFL fan,why are the Browns consistantly terrible? Poor management appointments? Should we be worried over here?
Wish I knew ... but they've only been consistantly terrible since they returned as an "expanision franchise", after the original team was taken. Part of it, was the way they were set up. They were hastily put together, threw out a make-shift front office, and sort of got a raw deal when it came to draft picks and expansion picks. They had maybe a few months to scrap together a scouting department, and after they assembled the original expansion team (1999) ... they were behind the eight-ball from the get-go.
After that, it's sort of been a comedy of errors. Much of it has to do with fan patience, bad football advice, and zero continuity. I think Randy took a lot of advice from former players, such as Jim Brown, and it hasn't been the best move. As far as playing ... Jim Brown is a legend, but that doesn't mean he knows how to run a franchise or pick front office staff. Then the fans are constantly clamouring for changes. They seem to call for a new quarterback or head coach every other year, so there's a constant turn-over, and nobody ever gets settled.
Part of it is Randy's fault a bit ... he's fired some iffy head-coaches/front office guys, and replaced them with people that are completely the opposite. Which means, a complete roster turn-over and new philosophy installed. By the time the new system takes root, fans are calling for a whole new head-coach again. Outside of that, Randy hasn't really done anything wrong. He's hired people who he thought (or was advised) would get the job done, signed the cheques, and got out of the way. He hasn't really meddled with anything, and hasn't been a cheapskate in the least.
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I understand why people dont like it. It's not very free flowing and open but its very tactical and if you can accept it for what it is, very enjoyable.
It's quite funny actually ... American's don't like "soccer" because it's low scoring and "boring". Europeans don't like "american football" because it's not free-flowing and "boring". =D
I think it's an aquired taste for both. People just tend to like what they've grown up with.
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The Browns are nothing like us... they're an awful American Football team and they're just a failure; not to mention this is the SECOND Cleveland Browns franchise.
The mistake on the lake, that's the city of Cleveland - they'll always suck at sports. The Browns choked against Denver twice in AFC Championship games then their owner took away their team and relocated to Baltimore (although they act like they were never relocated lol). The Cleveland Cavaliers lost the best basketball player in the world in the Summer as he joined the glamourous Miami Heat and the Cleveland Indians, well they're just useless too losing a World Series when they should of won.
I'm slightly surprised the Browns ended up with a 5-11 record (same record as last season lol) because their record really doesn't suggest how well they've actually played. They beat the Patriots and Saints... they just lost their heads towards the end of the season losing a few games. They should of really ended up at 7-9... they're not as bad as their record suggests, they brought in a really good quarter-back and made some good trades.
they're a lot like us. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Randy saw a little bit of the Browns in us when he was looking to buy a PL team. Football didn't start in 1992 with the PL. Neither did American football start with the NFL. Look back at Browns history pre-NFL and you'll find they were very successful. They've been poor of late, but then we've not really been shining light in English football for a while either.
We are absoloutely NOTHING like the Cleveland Browns... we're nowhere near as bad as them, if we were an NFL team we'd have gone either 10-6 or 11-5 in the last 3 seasons and we'd have atleast 1 Superbowl. The Cleveland Browns have never won a Superbowl, have only ever made the playoffs once and have only had 2 winning seasons in 11 years (note I'm talking about the 'new' Browns franchise... the old one plays in Baltimore now so there previous records count diddly squat despite how the Browns like to portray as if the Browns never got taken away then were given a new franchise).
Taking all things into account and looking at it broadly, we're more like the Chicago Bears, Denver Broncos or Miami Dolphins.
Once again, you're looking at things as if the Browns have always been as bad as they are today. That's like saying an American looking at the PL and dismissing any club outside of that division as being irrelevant. Or ignoring Villa and Everton as being crap because of our record of winning major honours in recent years. The Browns have been awful since they were reinvented and brought back, but their original team went to Baltimore and won a Championship. Additionally, as I said before, pre-NFL they were succesful. Almost all of our honours pre-date the PL, so are you saying those honours don't count?
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I think NFL is like cricket in that people are quick to dismiss it as dull, long-winded and stop-start if they haven't given it a fair chance. Too many people watch ten minutes and dismiss it.
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I think NFL is like cricket in that people are quick to dismiss it as dull, long-winded and stop-start if they haven't given it a fair chance. Too many people watch ten minutes and dismiss it.
American Football is cool, definately the best American invented sport.
Cricket is utter shit.
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I think NFL is like cricket in that people are quick to dismiss it as dull, long-winded and stop-start if they haven't given it a fair chance. Too many people watch ten minutes and dismiss it.
American Football is cool, definately the best American invented sport.
Cricket is utter shit.
You're so right in the first instance and yet criminally incorrect in the second.
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We are absoloutely NOTHING like the Cleveland Browns... we're nowhere near as bad as them, if we were an NFL team we'd have gone either 10-6 or 11-5 in the last 3 seasons and we'd have atleast 1 Superbowl. The Cleveland Browns have never won a Superbowl, have only ever made the playoffs once and have only had 2 winning seasons in 11 years (note I'm talking about the 'new' Browns franchise... the old one plays in Baltimore now so there previous records count diddly squat despite how the Browns like to portray as if the Browns never got taken away then were given a new franchise).
Taking all things into account and looking at it broadly, we're more like the Chicago Bears, Denver Broncos or Miami Dolphins.
While opinions are free for everyone to have, if you check the NFL records you will see you are wrong. Baltimore did not inherit all of the Browns championships. They did not inherit any of the Browns history. They inherited a terrible owner and the current players...that was it. They could have never moved the team to Baltimore otherwise, since the owner was contractually bound to play in Cleveland still. In order to move he had to leave the history right where it was made.
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Browns hire Pat Shurmur as Head Coach.
http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/113464069.html