Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: ROBBO on December 30, 2010, 08:57:25 AM
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I watched the Pool-Wolves game and to my absolute delight i am persuaded by what i saw that Liverpool are as gutless as we appear to be. Are they still counted in the press as one of the bid four lol . Some of their players do npt want to be there and the shine has completely disappeared. One thing puzzled me about the game, as Wolves were taking corners Kiriakis had a bunch of a Wolves shirt in one hand and his other was in the players throat, not once but at every corner. Has there been a sudden rule change to make us look more like rugby players? The ref was right there saw everything and did nothing, even the Wolves supporters were chanting if that was us you'd have given a penalty.
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The biggest problem regarding the last week is that every club below us are scrapping and picking up points we need to pull away from the bottom of the table and quickly.
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I watched the Pool-Wolves game and to my absolute delight i am persuaded by what i saw that Liverpool are as gutless as we appear to be. Are they still counted in the press as one of the bid four lol . Some of their players do npt want to be there and the shine has completely disappeared. One thing puzzled me about the game, as Wolves were taking corners Kiriakis had a bunch of a Wolves shirt in one hand and his other was in the players throat, not once but at every corner. Has there been a sudden rule change to make us look more like rugby players? The ref was right there saw everything and did nothing, even the Wolves supporters were chanting if that was us you'd have given a penalty.
You're right on what people see as fouls these days and interpretation of the laws of the game. I think a lot of this stems from so called 'expert' pundits on TV. Listening to Jamie Rednapp defending the allowing of the Blues goal against Man Utd the other night being a case in point.
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As gutless as they are, they still rolled us with ease up at their place -with a weaker team than they put out yesterday.
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The other area of the game where the rules no longer seem to apply is body checking. This air brushing of the laws of the game started with allowing players to root themselves like an ossified starfish between an opponent and the ball to allow it to run for a goal kick.
We saw it in the Spurs game when a Spurs player lunged five feet or more from the line of the foot race for the ball to body check the attacking Villa player. No whistle, no free kick.
All of this impromptu interpretation of the rules has come about because referees are allowed to enforce the rules as they see fit without regard to why the rules exist in the first place. If a defender grapples with an opponent at a corner kick, award a penalty. If an attacker body checks a goalkeeper or a defender at a corner kick give him a card. It would end instantly the rugby scrums we are witnessing all the time.
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While we are talking about fouls what about when they send up a big horrible defender to impede the goalkeeper for free kicks and corners look at the treatment Brad got at Blackburn. No, we are not alone ET Phone home!!!!!
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From the thread title I thought it had finally been proven that Stephen Ireland is indeed an alien.
I had the misfortune of watching it in the pub with a bunch of Wolves supporting mates. To be fair they were saying we're too big a club to go down and they didn't think we would. But, the only thing we should be worried about is that, every 5 or so years, a so called 'big club' goes.
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I think what's happening at Liverpool is quite similiar to what is happening at Villa Park. You let a manager spend five years assembling a squad, and then, the manager suddenly leaves. You appoint a new, completely different kind of manager -- not necessarily a bad manager, but very different. The result is a squad completely unfit (not necessarily in the Richard Dunne sense) to implement the manager's ideas. What follows is probably a number of poor performances from players struggling to adapt, some of them discouraged, others confused. Supporters perceive this as "gutless" performances, and a vicious cycle is starting.
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I wanted Liverpool to win.
We need the teams below us to get beat.
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From the thread title I thought it had finally been proven that Stephen Ireland is indeed an alien.
I had the misfortune of watching it in the pub with a bunch of Wolves supporting mates. To be fair they were saying we're too big a club to go down and they didn't think we would. But, the only thing we should be worried about is that, every 5 or so years, a so called 'big club' goes.
No such thing as being too big to go down. The question is being good enough to stay up.
Why don't we swap managers with Lpool?
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I dont think we have a natural inspiring leader on the pitch or in the dug out, We need a new Lionheart, failing that the General putting on his dress uniform and giving the whole lot a speach Patton esqish
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I watched the pool v Wolves game in the pub what wolves did is battle for each other they put the tackles in and never stopped i must admit the pool are shit, but i think that's what we need to do start battling for each other instead of not being interested when they get on the pitch.
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Much it grieves me to say it, I'm glad Wolves won.
And Arsenal drew at Wigan.
And West Ham won at Fulham.
Anything that shakes up the complacency amongst some Villa supporters, players and hierarchy, that it doesn't matter that we lose 3-0 against the worst Liverpool side in memory, ship four at home at Arsenal or concede last minute equalizers at Craven Cottage when we should have been out of sight, because there are three teams worse than us and they all begin with 'W'.
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To think 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' have got Torres ( was best striker in the world ) and Gerrard ( some peoples best midfielder in world ) in the team too, we havent got any player no where near in that league. Very worrying for 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', ha ha .... If we had Torres and Gerrard we couldnt be as bad as them, could we ;-s
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Both were shit. They need to cash in on Torres asap.
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As some one said Ireland is the scientific proof we have to accept "we are not alone"
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Very worring that Liverpool have been hopeless all season, yet turned us over with ease fielding a second string side.
Man City left a lot of their main players on the bench and I can see Chelsea doing the same.
We are seen as a banker.
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Anyone who says we were 'beaten by a better side at man city' is talking rubbish. We handed them that win on a plate, we were pathetic, no organisation and no idea. Houillier should resign and we should
get big sam in now because wolves proved they could win, west
ham won last week at fulham and wigan got a draw last night we
are the only team down there not picking up points and under
houillier i fear our premier league days are numbered
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Very worring that Liverpool have been hopeless all season, yet turned us over with ease fielding a second string side.
Man City left a lot of their main players on the bench and I can see Chelsea doing the same.
We are seen as a banker.
to be fair , starting with Silva , ballotelli and Johnson up front . No excuse for Villas shambles but they are still very good players.
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Actually, Wolves win at Anfield alarmed me greatly. All the clubs around us have shown the ability of winning the odd game - the same can't be said about Villa. I think we are now arguably the weakest side in the EPL and not only are we very likely to be relegated, but will do so in bottom place.
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Very worring that Liverpool have been hopeless all season, yet turned us over with ease fielding a second string side.
Man City left a lot of their main players on the bench and I can see Chelsea doing the same.
We are seen as a banker.
Yes last night I was also thinking about our 3-0 drubbing at Anfield. Adding to what you have said 10 men Spurs and Arsenal almost scoring at will this is a worrying time but I say wait another 4 games and if we are in the bottom 3 or within 1 defeat of bottom 3 than we need to do something different.
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The thing is, the results are appalling in themselves but it is as though the team has no clue how to counteract the opposition play whilst doing the job the way Houllier is asking them to. Even the poorer teams in the league will ruthlessly exploit a team this weak.
Houllier seems to think the problem is the players and can be solved by publicly criticising individuals, I'm worried that the problem is his tactics and formations are as out of date as his "8th to 12th" opinion of Aston Villa was.
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To think 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' have got Torres ( was best striker in the world )
Torres has never under any criteria you might care to mention been the best striker in the world.
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Houllier seems to think the problem is the players and can be solved by publicly criticising individuals, I'm worried that the problem is his tactics and formations are as out of date as his "8th to 12th" opinion of Aston Villa was.
Think it was seventh.
Ever the optimist, me.
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Very worring that Liverpool have been hopeless all season, yet turned us over with ease fielding a second string side.
Man City left a lot of their main players on the bench and I can see Chelsea doing the same.
We are seen as a banker.
Don't forget Blackpool
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Houllier seems to think the problem is the players and can be solved by publicly criticising individuals, I'm worried that the problem is his tactics and formations are as out of date as his "8th to 12th" opinion of Aston Villa was.
Think it was seventh.
Ever the optimist, me.
I checked the quote and you are quite right. Then I reread what he actually said at it boiled my piss more than ever...
'Aston Villa is not a club on the same level as Liverpool, let's be objective and honest. It's a club that according to me has belonged between seventh and 12th place in the Premier League."
Maybe that's the problem. Liverpool are so shit this season and he needs to ensure we don't get above our station by being ahead of them in the table.
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Houllier seems to think the problem is the players and can be solved by publicly criticising individuals, I'm worried that the problem is his tactics and formations are as out of date as his "8th to 12th" opinion of Aston Villa was.
Think it was seventh.
Ever the optimist, me.
I checked the quote and you are quite right. Then I reread what he actually said at it boiled my piss more than ever...
'Aston Villa is not a club on the same level as Liverpool, let's be objective and honest. It's a club that according to me has belonged between seventh and 12th place in the Premier League."
Maybe that's the problem. Liverpool are so shit this season and he needs to ensure we don't get above our station by being ahead of them in the table.
Made no secret of it, it boiled my piss as well, as did his whole attitude from the presentation press conference with his "might be here, might not, might need to do a few days a week in France" attitude, right through to the pathetic antics at Anfield.
However, we are where we are, and he's here
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While we are talking about fouls what about when they send up a big horrible defender to impede the goalkeeper for free kicks and corners look at the treatment Brad got at Blackburn. No, we are not alone ET Phone home!!!!!
Or the fact that the ball has to be fully over the line for it to be a goal... or that a player in an offside position when a team-mate shoots cannot then tap in the rebound when it comes back off the keeper.
there are three teams worse than us and they all begin with 'W'.
Would they be West Ham, Wolves and those Wankers from across the city?
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Talking about those wankers. Can`t believe that goal was given against Man utd. Handball, foul and offside ..........
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This is the worst Liverpool squad I can remember (including the Souness era)and yet without their 2 (by far)best players they easily beat the worst Villa team since Mcneil and Turner. There isn't much point in rejoicing in their crapness when a team who are now not many points behind us comfortably beat them. What does it say about the shower of shite that Houllier puts on the pitch?
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Wait a minute...didn't we beat the team that beat Liverpool last night? We can't be that bad, surely?
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While we are talking about fouls what about when they send up a big horrible defender to impede the goalkeeper for free kicks and corners look at the treatment Brad got at Blackburn. No, we are not alone ET Phone home!!!!!
Or the fact that the ball has to be fully over the line for it to be a goal... or that a player in an offside position when a team-mate shoots cannot then tap in the rebound when it comes back off the keeper.
there are three teams worse than us and they all begin with 'W'.
Would they be West Ham, Wolves and those Wankers from across the city?
Or have we been renamed Waston Willa?
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The other area of the game where the rules no longer seem to apply is body checking. This air brushing of the laws of the game started with allowing players to root themselves like an ossified starfish between an opponent and the ball to allow it to run for a goal kick.
We saw it in the Spurs game when a Spurs player lunged five feet or more from the line of the foot race for the ball to body check the attacking Villa player. No whistle, no free kick.
All of this impromptu interpretation of the rules has come about because referees are allowed to enforce the rules as they see fit without regard to why the rules exist in the first place. If a defender grapples with an opponent at a corner kick, award a penalty. If an attacker body checks a goalkeeper or a defender at a corner kick give him a card. It would end instantly the rugby scrums we are witnessing all the time.
i think you live in another era brian!
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...the worst Villa team since Mcneil and Turner.
Not sure I agree with this. Some of the performances have been chronic but the team is largely that which has managed to finish 6th for the last few seasons (including several wins against the top 4) and reach a cup final. There have been various reasons for the shite run but it all relates to a change in management and tactics, egos and a loss of confidence, rather than a lack of quality in the playing staff.
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'Aston Villa is not a club on the same level as Liverpool, let's be objective and honest. It's a club that according to me has belonged between seventh and 12th place in the Premier League."
He actually said this? The board let him get away with it after all the antics at Anfield earlier in the season?
Does he even know we finished above them last season?!
The sooner this clown goes the better. I would honestly take Fat Sam for a few years over this fool.