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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on December 28, 2010, 02:58:49 PM
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Available Tuesday evening.
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I didn't realize playing professional football for a historic and well respected Premiership club was such a chore. It's such a shame that some of opur players see it that way, and that even if some don't agree with the manager's beliefs they cannot play for the fans and their own professional pride. They were beaten in the tunnel when they looked across at the opposition. I hope they all take a long hard look at themselves tonight. But they won't.
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Baise off votre français connard et cuya chance retour . Lerner arrêts em et nommer certains avec talent , nous sommes comme
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Don't think the supporters booing helps much. Time toi circle the wagons folks. Focus on the winnable games and write off the others. No point in getting p!ssed as losing at Chelsea is there?
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Aside from Houllier, players should be ashamed. Awfully predictable, we continue like this we will go down.
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Just leave me alone, I don't like football any more.
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What are you talking about, all games are winnable! that attuide we are fucked
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The squad Houllier has is to all intents and purposes the squad which finished 6th. With the obvious exception of Milner. The manager is doing something very very wrong if he cannot get better results than this. His man mangement skills are appalling, his treatment of Aston Villa as a club at Anfield was shameful, his style of football is unsuitable for the players he has, and we are told that he needs a transfer window to put things right. He has to go
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Don't think the supporters booing helps much. Time toi circle the wagons folks. Focus on the winnable games and write off the others. No point in getting p!ssed as losing at Chelsea is there?
Which games are winnable, with this manager ?, cos I can't see where the next goal is coming from never mind the next fucking win.
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Baise off votre français connard et cuya chance retour . Lerner arrêts em et nommer certains avec talent , nous sommes comme
My French is not good,but I hope that means GH fuck off!
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Rubbish.
Houllier your time is up.
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I didn't realize playing professional football for a historic and well respected Premiership club was such a chore. It's such a shame that some of opur players see it that way, and that even if some don't agree with the manager's beliefs they cannot play for the fans and their own professional pride. They were beaten in the tunnel when they looked across at the opposition. I hope they all take a long hard look at themselves tonight. But they won't.
I hope the whole lot of them fuck off. None of them can give a fuck and the rest aren't or aren't yet good enough. Why can't these fucking ****** just care for their vastly inflated salaries. I really fucking despair. I'd sack the fucking lot of them. ******.
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The worst Villa performance since Liverpool, in fact since Randy arrived at the club. Disgraceful.
The players don't want to play for Houllier. While I'm not for sacking managers on the back of a few bad results, I can see no point in keeping one who has so completely lost touch with the players that he cannot motivate or organise them. It's hopeless. He has to go, and quickly, or our six-pointer against Blues will define our season in the most negative way possible, and we'll be settling into the Championship before we can say 'sack the board'.
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Disgrace
Sack Houlier now before it's too late
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if he's lost the dressing room, which is looking likely, we cannot allow him to spend what money we have in the january transfer window, we have to make a change today, get JOL in and give him the transfer window and hopefully re-motivate the players we already have to save our season and keep us up
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we missed Hogg '-)
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Well that was the most gutless performance I have ever seen by a Manager and his Assistant.
The pair of them just sitting there shivering and praying for fulltime.
Go get your nice warm cup of Hollicks Houllier and Fuck off!
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Don't think the supporters booing helps much. Time toi circle the wagons folks. Focus on the winnable games and write off the others. No point in getting p!ssed as losing at Chelsea is there?
Which games are winnable, with this manager ?, cos I can't see where the next goal is coming from never mind the next fucking win.
Home games against teams 7th and below.
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Baise off votre français connard et cuya chance retour . Lerner arrêts em et nommer certains avec talent , nous sommes comme
As bad as my French is, that makes more sense than your usual posts Rich. ;)
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Id give the players 2 days off to rest up.
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The saddest thing about today's non performance was that it was so utterly predictable and had Man Citeh been arsed it could have been 7 or 8 nil.
I am bored of reading about our injuries; the more players we get back from injury the worse we get. Houllier's man management skills seem worse than M'ON's and he seems to have alienated about half of the squad.
The players do not seem to be playing for the manager sadly and on that basis he is clearly not the man to take us forward - please Houllier do the right thing and go this evening.
Oh and thanks for a shit Christmas
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As Delboy once said.......Bonjour Mr Houllier
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Must have close to the worst defensive record in the division now.
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It's easy to snipe when you've got a perfect view of the whole pitch, but in every match this season I look at Villa's movement and passing ability and wonder how these players can suddenly be so bad.
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I cant really see how he can change it next game. we look so fooking wimpy, no fire , no passion, no anything ... there is a massive job here ..
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It's hard to be surprised at our predicament, aside from the fact that it happened so fast.
It was a poor decision to employ Houlier and despite many of us holding out the hope that he could do a job, he looks utterly doomed. He has had more than his fair share of issues to deal with, let alone the timing of his apointment but he does appear to have lost the players, and today the fans. I'm confident that he could make some decent signings, given the opportunity but it's not that side of the game that is the issue.
It is the utter lack of any kind of impetous, motivation or drive that may well be indicative of a man who has been out of the game for so long.
Nice guy, wrong job.
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It's easy to snipe when you've got a perfect view of the whole pitch, but in every match this season I look at Villa's movement and passing ability and wonder how these players can suddenly be so bad.
They never were good at it. We just had a system under MoN that utterly masked their deficiencies.
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What a load of shit start of the season i said we draw too many games it's win or lose this season, the stupid part about all of that was the reason we drew so many games was because we nearly lost them......
We had a few highs last season now it's time for the low's (crying man)
Chelski are due a win aswell it's really all messed up for us 4points out of 27...... scary times ahead with our run in coming up..........
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What a load of bollocks.
From back to front we were useless but Nigel Reo Coker managed to achieve a level of uselessness that I didn't think possible.
We seem to be lacking any heart for the battle. I expected us to lose but I hoped that we might be avle to take a few positives but (apart from Delph looking lively when he came on) there was nothing.
Sides must love playing us at the moment because we make it so easy for them.
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I am bored of reading about our injuries; the more players we get back from injury the worse we get.
thats whaat i was thinking
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As Delboy once said.......Bonjour Mr Houllier
mangetout mangetout.
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After many of this season's games, and particularly after the Sppurrrrs game, it was obvious to me that we needed to stop giving away soft goals - in the first half, we gave away three soft 'uns. I don't know how it is possible that a professional coaching team cannot see it and do something about it! Warnock and Collins seem to struggle to position themselves effectively: is it because Collins is more used to playing right CB? - if so, get Clark in at left CB!
RL now needs to find some way of re-building the confidence at the club 'cos at the moment we are smelling and looking like relegation fodder; and you can see that in the players' body language, too.
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Well that was the most gutless performance I have ever seen by a Manager and his Assistant.
The pair of them just sitting there shivering and praying for fulltime.
Go get your nice warm cup of Hollicks Houllier and Fuck off!
Are you forgeting Anfield? Today was a repeat performance.
Only positive from today was Delph.
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Sh*t Sandwich....
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I expect a press release on the OS later or I going to get mighty pissed off.I backed GH when he came but no more.He must go now!
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Absolute Bobbins. Go!
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Well that was the most gutless performance I have ever seen by a Manager and his Assistant.
The pair of them just sitting there shivering and praying for fulltime.
Go get your nice warm cup of Hollicks Houllier and Fuck off!
Are you forgeting Anfield? Today was a repeat performance.
Only positive from today was Delph.
And even he got injured.....
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Gutless and clueless. A combination that leads to relegation. The fans were singing "fuck off Houllier", lets hope his hearing is better than his coaching.
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Whoever's in charge, and I hope it's not Houllier for much longer, it won't be the mystical powers of the transfer window which will get us out of trouble, it will be about organising and motivating the existing team who have lost confidence, and are not doing the basics. The effort was poor and some of the marking and closing down (again) was abysmal. Downing, Warnock and NRC were particularly shocking.
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Sh*t Sandwich....
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Well MON bought players in to fit into a system.A team that were organized and structured, that relied on 4 defenders, and 2 midfielders to defend the goal, and 4 players to create and score.
Those defensive players wee brought in to do a job, not because they were good footballers.GH has come in and triesd to make the same players play more football, and for the team to pass the ball better, that has led to us being more open, and vulnerable.
Now we either perserve with this philosophy, which should reap benefits long term, or appoint an Allardice kind of manager to revert back to MONs kind of football, functional but productive.
On todays game, we were outmuscled, not physical enough, the time for NRC, and probably Petrov, has gone, Albrighton and Downing look jaded, Gabby a bit more support.
There are plenty of reasons as to why i am sceptical about GH, but you have to allow him to bring in his own players, and then judge him, do'nt see the point of getting rid now.
I'm afraid the days when we could compete with Spuds and Citeeeh seem to be behind us am.
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Look, time for the board to man up and realise they've made a mistake with Houllier. This team lacks passion under him, and the senior players look like they don't want to play for him - which is why he sticks with impressionable youngsters, who'd work hard even if I was the manager. The team reminds me of GT mk2, DOL teams etc. There has been no "new manager bounce", no surge in energy, just a collapsing defence which had previously been one of the best in the league, repeated media stories about squad infighting and upset, team tactics and selection that look plain strange when you're trying to balance the ship (tonight being rime example of that by playing a 19yr old relative rookie who's been out for 9 months as a starter against a team pushing hard in the champions league), and supporters clearly unhappy after a really short space of time.
Its all very well arguing that it was his team that won the champions league at Liverpool (even though he wasn't managing them) but if you want to play that analogy, he's now managing a team that finished 6th two seasons running, with two recent Wembley appearances and he's guiding them into a relegation dogfight. There is little point in allowing him to spend what little money the club clearly doesn't have to spend this January (hence the repeated rhetoric at the moment about how much Lerner has invested - its so cynical to harp on about what you've done so far, when you know you're about to pull the rug from underneath and stop doing the same level of investment), because our resources are scarce and need to be spent wisely (you know the money from the sale of milner and young - which will net us about £25m profit and allow £10m to be spent on transfer fees). Sack now, get Jol in and get us going again. Otherwise, we will most definetely be in those clubs facing a relegation fight.
Sorry, like the manager I couldn't be arsed to try (typing) anything different today. Might as well type the same for the next five games as well. It ain't going to get any better.
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Villa are in a perfect storm. MON resigns. Rushed appointment (remember how hard Graham Taylor said it was when he returned to Premiership with Villa after being away from it). Learner's order to reduce costs. Injuries. All means that the club is in a mess.
Houllier is not going to turn this and no decent player is going to come in January.
Martin Jol has the experience and the passion to fight in a relagation battle. H must go; Jol is the man.
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if he's lost the dressing room, which is looking likely, we cannot allow him to spend what money we have in the january transfer window,
From all the reports I've heard even before the last 2 games, no one is planning to trust him with a penny. We can only hope of some loanies (I guess the likes of Pires).
From back to front we were useless but Nigel Reo Coker managed to achieve a level of uselessness that I didn't think possible.
I'm 1000% with Chris on this one.
The brightness of our future comes from the lights of the express train that just crashed us in full speed...
I do not think we looked that bad even in the 7-1 v Chelsea? By the way Chelsea is coming and they need someone to put them back on track. Anyone's going to bet on the result?
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I dont get this you cant boo a team remark, if a team doesnt put the effort in they deserve it and If were a villa player Id probably join in and boo as well.
A lot of fans travel and spend an awful lot of money and if the villa players could not accept that then their not in touch with reality we all need a kick up the arse and im sure the players would agree.
theirs a difference between loosing and not putting in 100%
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Houllier Out, Kevin Mac for the Chelsea game with Martin Jol made manager after. Nice and easy go and fukin do it. The players have taken over the club and are making their decisions on the pitch.
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I'm going to have to calm down before I post anything else.
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I was wrong about houllier and he has clearly lost the dressing room and many fans- if jol can be recruited I would get him now - maybe mon saw the writing on the wall under randy but something is very wrong- we are in crisis and need a chairman with balls to make the big decisions right, step forward mr Lerner and bring your axe with you!
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It's easy to snipe when you've got a perfect view of the whole pitch, but in every match this season I look at Villa's movement and passing ability and wonder how these players can suddenly be so bad.
They never were good at it. We just had a system under MoN that utterly masked their deficiencies.
This 'system' of MoN's. If it's true that he can get players who are otherwise capable of nothing more than relegation form fighting for a top 4 place and into cup finals, surely he must be some sort of genius?
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if we want a manager with fire and passion then it has to be WARNOCK (Neil), but the way it looks to me is that the senior players have grouped together to get rid of Houlier, as they realise that there time is up at the Villa, and where else are they going to get paid £50k a week!
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Whoever's in charge, and I hope it's not Houllier for much longer, it won't be the mystical powers of the transfer window which will get us out of trouble, it will be about organising and motivating the existing team who have lost confidence, and are not doing the basics. The effort was poor and some of the marking and closing down (again) was abysmal. Downing, Warnock and NRC were particularly shocking.
totally agree. We cannot think think that the transfer window is our 'cure all'.
For a start,which quality players are available, and then, which quality players will want to come to a club in a relegation fight.
If the current manager is eyeing foreign players then there is no guarantee that they will adapt to our football and adapt quickly enough to make a difference.
The only way we are going to get out of this shit, is to play with motivation, passion, fire and fight. The squad should be good enough to survive , but thats not going to happen with this manager.
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Mr Lerner,
Go get Owen Coyle now please.
Regards
Diceman
p.s ask him to bring Cahill and Zak with him.
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18 months to 2 years ago we were better than Spurs and Citeh.
We lose to Spurs who have 10 men on our own patch, we get raped at Citeh who have 2 of our best players over the last few years on the bench, while we have 2 of their cast offs in reserve on circa 120k a week who we can't shift.
It does not look good at all.
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18 months to 2 years ago we were better than Spurs and Citeh.
We lose to Spurs who have 10 men on our own patch, we get raped at Citeh who have 2 of our best players over the last few years on the bench, while we have 2 of their cast offs in reserve on circa 120k a week who we can't shift.
It does not look good at all.
Easy there on the metaphors you're fairly close to the offensive, buddy.
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It's easy to snipe when you've got a perfect view of the whole pitch, but in every match this season I look at Villa's movement and passing ability and wonder how these players can suddenly be so bad.
They never were good at it. We just had a system under MoN that utterly masked their deficiencies.
This 'system' of MoN's. If it's true that he can get players who are otherwise capable of nothing more than relegation form fighting for a top 4 place and into cup finals, surely he must be some sort of genius?
Donyou not read this website? MON was the devil incarnate. He got more abuse during a game against Reading, which we won, than Houllier is getting today
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Next manager to leave..
Houllier, G - 4/1
http://www.skybet.com/betting/football/manager-specials/t10002896.html (http://www.skybet.com/betting/football/manager-specials/t10002896.html)
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I've been in denial, but it's now time to face facts.
We're going to get relegated unless something radical changes.
The defence is an absolute shambles, regardless of personnel.
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my 10 pence worth
mr houllier should have been shown the door after the embarrassing episode at his beloved Anfield, he made a laughing stock of this football club that night off the pitch and he has made us a laughing stock on it as well
Chelsea up next....they must be rubbing their hands at the chance to get their season up and running again
randy - over to you
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if we want a manager with fire and passion then it has to be WARNOCK (Neil), but the way it looks to me is that the senior players have grouped together to get rid of Houlier, as they realise that there time is up at the Villa, and where else are they going to get paid £50k a week!
Im gonna get slaughtered for saying this but ive always liked Warnock we would play nice football but he wouldn't accept us playing like this
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I felt we were losing ground to Spuds and Citeh even before MO'N left, however, Houllier has managed to cleverly turn it into a juggernaut going down a 2:1 hill at breakneck speed with no sign of any control ahead.
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Time to say the buck stops with randy Lerner- he had 5 weeks to get a manager and has got it badly wrong- whether it's about cutting costs or what who knows , but it's fine for the general to shake hands and say Lerner is passionate about the club- actions speak louder than words- in the final year of the 5 yr plan we look like we are heading down.
Show some balls tonight Lerner and get rid of the manager and get martin jol asap- if not we will go down!
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It's easy to snipe when you've got a perfect view of the whole pitch, but in every match this season I look at Villa's movement and passing ability and wonder how these players can suddenly be so bad.
They never were good at it. We just had a system under MoN that utterly masked their deficiencies.
This 'system' of MoN's. If it's true that he can get players who are otherwise capable of nothing more than relegation form fighting for a top 4 place and into cup finals, surely he must be some sort of genius?
Donyou not read this website? MON was the devil incarnate. He got more abuse during a game against Reading, which we won, than Houllier is getting today
I'm not giving him abuse or calling him the devil incarnate. I'm just saying that the teams never really passed or moved much under MoN. He had a system where Stan, Barry or Milner (depending on the season would) do a quick release ball to Young who would cross to one of our strikers and there would be a goal. The players were motivated and would run through a brick wall. MoN's departure and replacement with Andre Maginot coupled with injuries has resulted in this. It's more praise of how his system (albeit not the most entertaining worked) and his managerial skills saw us in the top six. We're a fucking disaster now and not all of that is MoN's fault.
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Chelsea's 'slump' will end 1 minute after they kick off against us.
We're the team you'd want to play if you're having a bad trot.
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We can only blame MON up to a point.
Houllier and co. are responsible for the absolute travesty of a defence.
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I'm speechless.
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We're the team any team would want to play next. We gifted it to Liverpool when they needed it most, we'll do it again with Chelsea.
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Mr Lerner...
Get rid of this twat of a manager before he gets us relegated. We have a lot of promising young players coming through, thanks to the work of Sid Cowans, Tony McAndrew, Steve Burns and Kevin MacDonald. Houllier is ruining the confidence of these young players - without them we will have no 'bright future'. Get rid now. Please.
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We can only blame MON up to a point.
Houllier and co. are responsible for the absolute travesty of a defence.
its more than the defence though isn't mate.
Its all over the pitch, but most worrying is the attitude of the players, from front to back.
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'We played better in the second half but the 4th goal killed us' Thats what the french twat will come out with. To think our Chief exec came out saying Houllier is here for the long haul before the game. Utter shambles
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What a load of bollocks.
From back to front we were useless but Nigel Reo Coker managed to achieve a level of uselessness that I didn't think possible.
We seem to be lacking any heart for the battle.
I'd say Petrov ran him close today. The pair of them utter gash.
Something is obviously not right behind the scenes and the rant Dunne had at Gary McCallister may go a long way to explain it. With MON we had a great motivator that knew fuck all about football. Now we appear to have a manager that knows his football but fuck all about motivation.
Wankers, the lot of them.
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Chelsea's 'slump' will end 1 minute after they kick off against us.
We're the team you'd want to play if you're having a bad trot.
Yeah agreed I was saying that on the city match thread any team or player whose going through a bad spell loves playing us. Top tip for those playing fantasy football put Drogba in your team as captain
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The blame of MON has been massively overstated on this site. Even with an inherited squad we've been terrible this season ynder GH. Even with a transfer window he'd only be able to get 3/4 first teamers therefore he's going to have to work with 8/9 existing players. Clearly they don't want to play for him. Its been a throw of the dice and its not worked. But its now time to be decisive and not dither. I worry that Randy has the inclination to dwell over decision when required. If GH survives this week they were relying on there being 3 worse teams than us.
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About five people have walked up to my desk and seemed about to say something, then saw the look on my face and fucked off again.
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It would help if we had a midfield that put a tackle in now and again, Petrov and NRC just step forward a couple of yards, then retreat, inviting the opposition on.
Houllier's 6 years out of the Premier is being exposed badly.
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We can only blame MON up to a point.
Houllier and co. are responsible for the absolute travesty of a defence.
its more than the defence though isn't mate.
Its all over the pitch, but most worrying is the attitude of the players, from front to back.
You're right andy, but we seem to give every team a 2 goal start, very hard to fight back at this level when you do that.
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I don't get this argument that Houllier will sort things out in the transfer window. Clearly he isn't going to sign 11 players so it will still be mostly the same squad in February.
I seriously think if we make a positive change like getting in Jol we could go on a John Gregory style run and get into Europe. If we stick with GH we will probably survive by the skin of our teeth then lose Ashley Young in the summer.
What have we got to lose by changing manager now, we can't get any worse!
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Bang on Sandman, the MON haters are conspicuous by there absence at the moment.Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for, we were successful under MON, and punched above our weight probably, whether we could afford to keep going down his chosen route is another question.
Under GH, he is trying to utilise what we have, but some of MONs players, have'nt got the ability to play the way GH wants, now we either change manager, and go back to the strengths of some of our players, or we slowly change clientelle.
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Time to go Houllier before it is too late, Randy hold up your hands you got it so wrong
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Chris is right, NRC gave a special kind of display of uselessness today. The scary thing is that that was pretty close to our strongest team today.
It takes a special kind of talent to do as badly as Houllier has since arriving. He's fallen out with our best defender from last season, our top scorer from last season, and the player who should have been able to bring some creativity to the team from the middle of the park. He's given a 38 year old who I reckon I could beat in a sprint a contract and game time, and generally has fucked things up from start to finish.
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We are on our knees at the moment. On a par with Doo-lally's last season.
These players don't look like they're giving nearly as much as they would under MON.
Our defence is so brittle, unorganised and nervous. We're conceding over two goals a game.
Offensively there is plenty of nice little sideways passing but our lack of penetration is killing us.
The worst thing is I clung onto the notion that all our injured players would make a difference once they returned. But they haven't. They're either out of form or Houllier seems to have fallen out with them. The youngsters excluded, most just seem to be going through the motions until they're sold or we change manager again.
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I was at the game and the only thing to be proud of was the fans. Utterly brilliant-vocal, passionate, committed to the cause, and stayed right to the very end. The team could learn a lot if they looked in that direction.
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Bang on Sandman, the MON haters are conspicuous by there absence at the moment.Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for, we were successful under MON, and punched above our weight probably, whether we could afford to keep going down his chosen route is another question.
Under GH, he is trying to utilise what we have, but some of MONs players, have'nt got the ability to play the way GH wants, now we either change manager, and go back to the strengths of some of our players, or we slowly change clientelle.
I didn't like O'Neill, but he was the one fell out with Lerner and walked out, so you can stick your "MON haters" nonsense up your illiterate backside.
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Houllier is a clown and has to get sacked. Day off for the players and we have to pick ourselves up for the next game is just what he has said.
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Those pining for Jol, as our Dutch correspondants have been pointing out, he did disastrously with Ajax, considering their resources, before leaving this month.
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They're all having the day orf tommorow!!!
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I was at the game and the only thing to be proud of was the fans. Utterly brilliant-vocal, passionate, committed to the cause, and stayed right to the very end. The team could learn a lot if they looked in that direction.
Weren't some of them booing Pires and telling Houllier to fuck right off?
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Chris is right, NRC gave a special kind of display of uselessness today. The scary thing is that that was pretty close to our strongest team today.
It takes a special kind of talent to do as badly as Houllier has since arriving. He's fallen out with our best defender from last season, our top scorer from last season, and the player who should have been able to bring some creativity to the team from the middle of the park. He's given a 38 year old who I reckon I could beat in a sprint a contract and game time, and generally has fucked things up from start to finish.
Totally agree, although Pires is hampered by the fact his y fronts are round his ankles or at least it looks that way
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Very worrying that it seems as if the players do not want to perform for him.
A sad state of affairs.
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I was at the game and the only thing to be proud of was the fans. Utterly brilliant-vocal, passionate, committed to the cause, and stayed right to the very end. The team could learn a lot if they looked in that direction.
Weren't some of them booing Pires and telling Houllier to fuck right off?
like he said proud of the fans
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Very worrying that it seems as if the players do not want to perform for him.
A sad state of affairs.
I can't help noticing that you seem to be upset about something, Mark.
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About five people have walked up to my desk and seemed about to say something, then saw the look on my face and fucked off again.
A bit similar to my Son.
He came over to me wanting help to assemble his Christmas gift of a toy aircraft carrier.
He soon backed off when I waved my belt above my head.
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He fell out with Lerner because he would'nt back him in the transfe market.
I could quite easily get into a childish petty squabble with you, like you normally get into, but the fact is that MON probably did better for us than you like to accept, and the reason for that, and the reason why we are so vulnerable at the moment, is because of organization and structure of the team.He needs to go back to organizing the team to be tighter, and give nothing away, go for a 0-0 if you have to, but just show some management skills.
Time to swallow his pride and bring back Ireland and Dunne imho.
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Bang on Sandman, the MON haters are conspicuous by there absence at the moment.Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for, we were successful under MON, and punched above our weight probably, whether we could afford to keep going down his chosen route is another question.
Under GH, he is trying to utilise what we have, but some of MONs players, have'nt got the ability to play the way GH wants, now we either change manager, and go back to the strengths of some of our players, or we slowly change clientelle.
Absolute Cobblers. MON chose to walk out on us, we weren't calling for his head. Very few wanted him out.
When he left I wasn't particularly bothered as I believed he'd progressed us but taken us as far as he could.
If GH had come in and done well so far, or we'd employed someone else who had, we wouldn't be having this discussion. You're just using the fact we're struggling to have a swipe at those who have slated MON since he left.
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Anyone for the pub?
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i havent felt this low since i was a young lad and oxford united beat us in the semi-final of the league cup back in the olden days (middle to late 80's?) and crying myself to sleep
even when we got horsed 7-1 at chelsea, we all knew we would be up for our next game and win, which we were and did
but after today, i genuinley do not know where our next point is coming from and that is scarey, very very scarey
anyway from what Houllier's contract is worth i cant see randy getting rid
we can only hope houllier does the honourable thing
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Clueless, no effort and the majority look like they don't give a toss which on that sort of wage is just shameful...time for the pub I think. If you're going to the Chelsea game, take a sense of humour.
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Anyone for the pub?
I intend to get pissed tonight and sleep until my name changes to Rip Van Fletcher.
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I'm going to get pissed.
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Anyone for the pub?
Best suggestion yet!
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He fell out with Lerner because he would'nt back him in the transfe market.
I could quite easily get into a childish petty squabble with you, like you normally get into, but the fact is that MON probably did better for us than you like to accept, and the reason for that, and the reason why we are so vulnerable at the moment, is because of organization and structure of the team.He needs to go back to organizing the team to be tighter, and give nothing away, go for a 0-0 if you have to, but just show some management skills.
Time to swallow his pride and bring back Ireland and Dunne imho.
Lerner refused to back him because he had millions of pounds worth of players, earning big wages, on the bench and refused to use them. He had to get rid of some first.
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Well, looks like its the pub then from the last few posts. See you there!!
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Anyone for the pub?
I'm all over it!
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My biggest worry is something Steve Claridge said on BBC after the game. He claimed that Lescott's goal did not definitely cross the line and said that not a single Villa player appealed against the decision. No fight and the players are accepting their fate - that is indefensible.
I haven't felt like this since There's Only One King Billy That's McNeill was in charge....
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O neill leaving was no bad thing- I'm glad he went as his style of football was awful to watch- the big mistake Lerner made was taking so long to appoint a manager a d bringing in houllier- jol took spurs to 5th two years running so he's not as bad as some are making out.
The club is now in a shambles - the players do not seem to want to play for the manager- randy needs to act fast - o neill left a pile of shit players behind so let's not make him some hero- he squandered millions and got us no higher than o Leary had got us- go get martin jol!
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i havent felt this low since i was a young lad and oxford united beat us in the semi-final of the league cup back in the olden days (middle to late 80's?) and crying myself to sleep
even when we got horsed 7-1 at chelsea, we all knew we would be up for our next game and win, which we were and did
I must admit, I don't feel anywhere near as bad these days. Then I felt we were a good team, so I was surprised by the Chelsea thrashing - it dashed my expectations quite severely. Now I expect to lose almost ever match we play, so there are no surprises. We're shit, we know we are, and we have to take action now before we bomb out of this league altogether.
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You mean like Spuds, and Citeeeh, and Lplop, our direct rivals.
We have to decide what direction we are going to take.If we seriously expect to beat teams like Citeeeh, and Spuds, then you are going to need players on your bench of a good quality, and that means high wages.If we can't then fair enough, but lets not get so worked up when we can't compete.
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About five people have walked up to my desk and seemed about to say something, then saw the look on my face and fucked off again.
I've shut the door tight, drawn the curtains and switched off the phone. I'd go out to the pub to buy a big fuck of bottle of scotch but people would attempt to engage me in conversation so I'm going to stay sober and weep.
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get Ian Hollyway, least he has some bloody passion ;-D
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Houllier is the managerial appointment from hell. I am gutted for the club. We are in freefall, We will get relegated unless something drastic happens.
Houllier came in and arrogantly wanted to transform our style overnight. The best managers gradually change things. Worse still, when he came in first he brought a history with players such as Carew, Warnock, Friedal.
The only silver lining can see is Everton are tanking this year so Moyes might become available at some point.
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I'm going to get pissed.
Already on the way
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You mean like Spuds, and Citeeeh, and Lplop, our direct rivals.
You do know it's nearly 2011 don't you? It's not the 2009/10 season anymore.
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get Ian Hollyway, least he has some bloody passion ;-D
"2nd that always loved him just for his comments but even he could do better than this
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Mon haters how sad some so called fans are.
As to sacking Houllier how will that solve anything, most of the top players don't look like they want to play for anyone not even Mighty Mon. There needs to be a major clear out whether those willing to put in a shift are good enough to keep us up time will tell.
But then as them in the know reckon no money will be spent perhaps we should face up to relegation for the foreseable future.
People also seem to forget City are the in form team and we rarely do well there anyway let alone when we have so many players returning from injury.
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About five people have walked up to my desk and seemed about to say something, then saw the look on my face and fucked off again.
I've shut the door tight, drawn the curtains and switched off the phone. I'd go out to the pub to buy a big fuck of bottle of scotch but people would attempt to engage me in conversation so I'm going to stay sober and weep.
I have another nice big headache brewing up. What I really need is for the dippy bird who supports Spurs to come over and ask me again why we sacked Martin O'Neill.
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About five people have walked up to my desk and seemed about to say something, then saw the look on my face and fucked off again.
I'm currently a conversation-free zone.
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Bang on Sandman, the MON haters are conspicuous by there absence at the moment.Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for, we were successful under MON, and punched above our weight probably, whether we could afford to keep going down his chosen route is another question.
Under GH, he is trying to utilise what we have, but some of MONs players, have'nt got the ability to play the way GH wants, now we either change manager, and go back to the strengths of some of our players, or we slowly change clientelle.
Absolute Cobblers. MON chose to walk out on us, we weren't calling for his head. Very few wanted him out.
When he left I wasn't particularly bothered as I believed he'd progressed us but taken us as far as he could.
If GH had come in and done well so far, or we'd employed someone else who had, we wouldn't be having this discussion. You're just using the fact we're struggling to have a swipe at those who have slated MON since he left.
Villa1 - MON was a superb manager in terms of organisation and motivation and his teams would die for him (as visible from his first game in charge at the Emirates with DOL's rag tag band). However our football at home became monotonous and this, together with three consecutive 6th place finishes and the ability of Spurs to gatecrash the Champs league, did lead to a fair number of people on here not liking him and saying that he had taken us as far as he could.
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Pravda's view (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2252875,00.html)
Villa's hopes of finishing 2010 on a high were dented as Manchester City's star-studded side ran riot at Eastlands.
Mario Balotelli scored a hat-trick, which included two penalties, while Joleon Lescott found the net with a header on an afternoon to forget for the boys in claret and blue.
There was little the visitors could do to counter City's superiority in attack as Roberto Mancini's men temporarily leapfrogged close rivals Manchester United at the top of the Barclays Premier League.
The home side raced in to a two-goal lead within 13 minutes and never looked back from there, as Gerard Houllier's side slipped to their second defeat of the festive period.
Houllier restored club captain Stiliyan Petrov and midfield colleague Nigel Reo-Coker to the central ground in an attempt to bring added steel to the Villa ranks in the wake of the Boxing Day defeat to Tottenham.
It meant Fabian Delph and Jonathan Hogg gave way, while Barry Bannan replaced Emile Heskey who twisted his ankle against Spurs.
But the manager's best laid plans were shattered by an extraordinary burst of three City goals in the opening 26 minutes.
Balotelli got in behind Villa's back four early on only to be flagged offside - though it didn't deter the Italian.
He was given a second through ball to latch on to and this time he was tugged back by Eric Lichaj, leaving referee Michael Oliver with no other option than to point to the spot.
The spot kick was cooly slotted into the bottom corner by Balotelli to give City an eighth minute lead.
Unfortunately, after such a deflating start, things were not about to get any better for the away side.
For evidence of a team down on their luck, see Lescott's strike. The Birmingham-born defender met Adam Johnson's cross at the near post and although Barry Bannan looked to have cleared the header off the line the linesman flagged for a goal.
However, Roberto Mancini's men would not settle for being two-up so quickly and Balotelli swiftly added a third.
A neat exchange between David Silva and Yaya Toure on 26 minutes led to Brad Friedel pushing away the silky Spaniard's curling effort. But Balotelli pounced to tap in his second and the home team's third.
It took until three minutes before the break for Villa to fully recover and register a clear-cut attempt, when Marc Albrighton called Joe Hart into action with a rasping low drive which seemed destined for the bottom corner.
Reo-Coker came charging in for the rebound but Lescott got a crucial foot in to clear the danger.
There was briefly hope of a second-half resurgence from Villa when Petrov battled forward to win a free-kick, which Stewart Downing took and curled just over the bar.
But nine minutes after the restart, Balotelli completed his hat-trick with a second goal from the penalty spot.
This time Johnson made a nuisance of himself on the right and went down to a challenge from Albrighton. Balotelli stepped up again and side-footed past Friedel.
Houllier immediately shuffled his pack by bringing on Delph and Nathan Delfouneso for Bannan and Albrighton - with the latter almost pulling one back for Villa when he headed Downing's right wing cross wide of the target.
Delph also went close with a thumping drive which Hart saved but there was to be no happy ending to 2010 for Villa.
MAN CITY: Hart; Richards, Kompany, Lescott, Zabaleta; Boateng, Vieira, Toure; Johnson, Balotelli, Silva. Subs: Given, Bridge (for De Jong, 77), Milner (for Silva, 58), Boateng, Barry, Jo (for Toure, 62), Tevez.
VILLA: Friedel; Lichaj, Collins, Cuellar, Warnock; Albrighton, Reo-Coker, Petrov, Downing; Bannan; Agbonlahor. Subs: Pires (for Reo-Coker, 81), Delfouneso (for Albrighton, 55), Delph (for Bannan, 55), Clark, Guzan, Hogg, Herd.
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About five people have walked up to my desk and seemed about to say something, then saw the look on my face and fucked off again.
I'm currently a conversation-free zone.
Thank God I'm practically the only person in the office tomorrow...
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I was at the game and the only thing to be proud of was the fans. Utterly brilliant-vocal, passionate, committed to the cause, and stayed right to the very end. The team could learn a lot if they looked in that direction.
The same ones booing when Pires came on and telling Houllier to feck off? Yes, very committed to the cause.
The likelihood is that Houllier will not quit and Lerner won't sack him, so we may as well try and get behind the club and its present personnel. Can the players perform better? Yes. Can the manager do more? Yes. Can the fans relax a little bit more and have confidence in the club and the people managing the team? Yes.
Of course we could very well get relegated, but what do some of the comments on this thread really achieve, apart from venting of spleens? Its not good at the moment, I agree, but we need perspective and calm heads, not a trigger-happy chairman in a Newcastle United stylee.
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Cue the OS giving us random player interviews telling us all how we need to 'firm up our defence', 'believe' and play without 'fear'.
Bored of the corporate bullshit. Just tell us you're going to pull your fucking socks up, stop the bollocks and get your fucking foot through the bastard ball.
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Cue the OS giving us random player interviews telling us all how we need to 'firm up our defence', 'believe' and play without 'fear'.
Bored of the corporate bullshit. Just tell us you're going to pull your fucking socks up, stop the bollocks and get your fucking foot through the bastard ball.
Well said. The soundbites are becoming tiresome.
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I was at the game and the only thing to be proud of was the fans. Utterly brilliant-vocal, passionate, committed to the cause, and stayed right to the very end. The team could learn a lot if they looked in that direction.
The same ones booing when Pires came on and telling Houllier to feck off? Yes, very committed to the cause.
Very much so; "The city is ours, the city is ours, fuck off Houllier, the city is ours."
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18 months to 2 years ago we were better than Spurs and Citeh.
We lose to Spurs who have 10 men on our own patch, we get raped at Citeh who have 2 of our best players over the last few years on the bench, while we have 2 of their cast offs in reserve on circa 120k a week who we can't shift.
It does not look good at all.
Scary isn't it, 40 points and were safe right?
7 wins from 18 to survive, miracles can happen......so they say
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Fans are entitled to boo and express whatever views they like. The fans are the club. Who keeps the club alive when its in the doldrums? Who pays good money to follow the team? Players are just working for the club, managers and coaches likewise whereas its an investment for Randy.
The fans are the ones who genuinely care about Aston Villa and if they want to boo they can. Moreover, their views are the most genuine reflection of what's going wrong.
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The greatest Villa team played for 90 mins against Bayern Munich on the 26th May 1982..They were a team of no-bodies to the outside world..They won respect and achieved their goal thru hard work,understanding and love of the club. This squad that represented the Villa today should be ashamed at such a faceless performance.It's only 11 v 11...nobody is fucn superhuman...and yet our Bastards wanted xtra days off from training.Tells me alot about the mental preparation that these players think is par for the course.Also are we going to endure a succession of useless so called managers....we need someone like Owen Coyle who is young, fresh and motivated, and not some relic from the by-gone era.
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Mon haters how sad some so called fans are.
As to sacking Houllier how will that solve anything, most of the top players don't look like they want to play for anyone not even Mighty Mon. There needs to be a major clear out whether those willing to put in a shift are good enough to keep us up time will tell.
But then as them in the know reckon no money will be spent perhaps we should face up to relegation for the foreseable future.
People also seem to forget City are the in form team and we rarely do well there anyway let alone when we have so many players returning from injury.
They lost their last home game to Everton. They didn't have to be good today, we made it so fucking easy for threm. We were just crap, there are no excuses to be made.
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It gives me no pleasure whatsoever to be the Prophet of Doom :(
But putting aside emotion & blind loyalty to the club that we all love, you've only got to have a cursory examination of the stats & facts to realise we've reached a crossroads and got to make a big decision.
As we all know, we really REALLY are in the brown stuff so what do we do about it??
Like most things in life, I don't believe there's a simple one reasons why we are wallowing in the brown stuff.....the reasons are many and tangled and there's more than Houllier to blame for this.
To be fair, it's not solely GH's fault though he has made life amazingly difficult for himself, the team and us suffering supporters.
Yes there have been crazy numbers of injuries, yes O'Neill's selfish last-minute walk-out was appallingly timed & yes Lerner has (in 2010) kept his purse strings tightly held (& who can really blame him in a way when you examine how many of MON's signings were left twiddling thumbs instead of playing football).....
The sad fact of the matter is that we are nosediving RAPIDO under GH's "leadership" right now.
The "nosediving under Houllier" thing is not a personal rant or opinion but a matter of fact.
It's now obvious to most people GH has LOST his players as well as the fans & unless there is a HUGE change of fortunes then we are indeed going to be hard-pressed to escape being relegated to the Championship along with Wolves & possibly one of a pack of others that includes the Blues or maybe Wigan or West Ham or maybe the Baggies or maybe Blackburn....it's too early to say who will go down but certainly we are in that group of "favourites" for the drop.
I know it's a mega tight league and a couple of wins will see us leap-frog many clubs but I don't think there are many Villa fans right now who can foresee where the next goal is coming from, let alone victory.
There has to be a pro-active change by the Vlla hierarchy and we can't afford to get the next month or so wrong like we have done up til now this season.
Personally I think we will know more after the FA Cup and Sunderland games because lose those and the writing is written on the wall in huge letters.
I've not been one to advocate sacking managers recklessly or prematurely but we are living in bleak times....there is a depressing deja vu feel to all of this, a mood that we are almost being dragged along screaming by fate and so we have to arrest that and fast.
For those of us old enough to have seen and felt the pain of relegation, you will know what I mean.
Something has GOT TO GIVE.
Lerner either has to back Houllier & give him silly money in January to TRY & get new players which I think we all accept is extremely unlikely.
(& let's be honest what decent player worth his salt will want to come & struggle with us in a sticky relegation fight now as we are clearly a football club that is in the midst of a tornado of bad feeling and uncertainty?)
OR Randy has to sack GH fairly quickly and bring in someone more suitable if that's possible & like most decisions in football, whatever you do is always going to be a gamble.
In my opinion we have to motivate & better organise the players we already have and to somehow remind them what it's like to have desire, fight, passion and to WIN games.
The transfer window will not rescue us. A lot of you have already said so & I agree.
No option is easy for Villa now & if we are all honest none of us know what the right answer is actually because whatever we do is a lottery.
But it increasingly SEEMS to me that we may need a new manager.
The wrong answer for Villa is to do nothing whatsoever (like giving the players days off and hope things turn from dark, black clouds to all things bright & beautiful).
Massively worrying times.
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He won't sack Houllier until after the Chelsea game, it wouldn't make sense. We're gonna get tonked there so why kill of the honeymoon period before it's started? Let's hope we don't have McAllister as caretaker manager until it takes Randy 6 weeks to appoint Bryan Robson ;)
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Fans are entitled to boo and express whatever views they like. The fans are the club. Who keeps the club alive when its int he doldrums? Who pays good money to follow the team? Players are just working for the club, managers and coaches likewise whereas its an investment for Randy.
The fans are the ones who genuinely care about Aston Villa and if they want to boo they can. Moreover, their views are the most genuine reflection of what's going wrong.
Thank you well said
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My biggest worry is something Steve Claridge said on BBC after the game. He claimed that Lescott's goal did not definitely cross the line and said that not a single Villa player appealed against the decision. No fight and the players are accepting their fate - that is indefensible.
I haven't felt like this since There's Only One King Billy That's McNeill was in charge....
Southgate and Townsend said the same - and Southgate said they had none energy - so why should they.
Not a good word about Villa and Hou (and they started positive before the game)
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Thanks to a Citeh mate who likes to get away from the Eastlands car park promptly I'm now back home. Apparently the missus has gone out to the Sales, so at least I can stomp around and slam doors without being told to grow up. A mood not improved by hearing that West Ham are a goal up. Three teams worse than us? Really?
There are loads of theories doing the rounds of why we find ourselves, but here's the truth. We are shit. We are in trouble. We could well go down. That's the reality and I don't think Houllier is going to turn this round.
24 hours ago I was of the mind that giving him the transfer window and see what the remainder of the season brings was the way to go. Now I think we should look at what it is: an appointment that has gone wrong. Get rid.
I'm sure there'll be the refrain from the usual suspects, "Who you're going to bring in then?" Well, f*ck knows, but that's why I earn a school teachers salary and the likes of Paul Faulkner earns whatever he does. (Although increasingly I'm seeing the present regime in the same light as some of the bad days under HDE - they can talk a good talk when things are going well, but actually aren't really that clued up). There must be someone out there who can organise a defence, and by hook or by crook get 20 points from the next 18 games.
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Cue the OS giving us random player interviews telling us all how we need to 'firm up our defence', 'believe' and play without 'fear'.
Bored of the corporate bullshit. Just tell us you're going to pull your fucking socks up, stop the bollocks and get your fucking foot through the bastard ball.
Nothing will beat Cuellar a few days ago, saying we can finish 6th and even challenge for 4th.
Somebody must be tipping brake fluid in his Sangria.
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Are the players deliberately not giving a rat's arse because they don't want to play for GH and want him out?
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Just got in, I don't think I can read too much of this thread this.
I don't know how many times I can think how can we sack GH before given a transfer window but the more it goes on there is something seriously wrong in our camp.
I have only read a few things since the game has finished and Toronto Villa sums it up, professional footballers should try and play for fans, Aston Villa and their own respect. Everything which is going on behind the scenes should be left when they step out onto the playing field.
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Well I was there today and it was shit on a scale I haven't seen in a while. Houllier make no mistake is living on borrowed time if this carries on much longer. I'm firmly in the camp that believes he needs to be given time but much more of todays shambles then I'm afraid I'll be firmly in the out camp. Let's see what the next 3 games brings.
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I just can't see Randy sacking him though?
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There must be someone out there who can organise a defence, and by hook or by crook get 20 points from the next 18 games.
When Houllier was first appointed, the general feeling from the Liverpool fans was that Houllier's success at Anfield was largely down to first team coach, Patrice Berges. As soon as he left, things started to go down hill and they never recovered. He was apparently a defensive coach and Houllier when appointed Villa manager, did try to get him on board. He turned us down, claiming the timing was not right. I do hope Houllier is on the phone to him tonight.
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My biggest worry is something Steve Claridge said on BBC after the game. He claimed that Lescott's goal did not definitely cross the line and said that not a single Villa player appealed against the decision. No fight and the players are accepting their fate - that is indefensible.
I haven't felt like this since There's Only One King Billy That's McNeill was in charge....
This was one of the obvious incidents that really exposed the players acceptance that they were prepared to lose, so early on in the game.
Cuellar's three inch high jump when he found himself unmarked at the far post, with the cross aimed perfectly for him, only to sail a couple of inches over his head was equally indicative.
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Villa's Central Defensive Rock James Collins apologised to the travelling supporters following today's 4-0 reverse at Eastlands. Villas defeat now extends a run of just two wins in 12 league games - a run that has seen them plummet to the fringes of the Premier League relegation zone. Speaking after the defeat Collins pointed to two poor refereeing decisions but was also candid enough to admit to defensive errors that cost them the game. 'The first was a very harsh penalty decision and the 2nd didn't cross the line as far as we were concerned but we can't escape from the fact that we let Joleon have a free header. I am sorry for the genuine supporters who travelled to the game today and can promise them we will roll up our sleeves in an attempt to pull up our socks for the next game at Chelsea. It's about us working hard in training and getting the basics right.'
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Getting the basics right in matches would be preferable James.
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Big Sam Allardyce can sort us out and get us organised again at the same time reminding the players they play for the clucb and not the other way around. Am i going mad?
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What's Houllier had to say ? Blamed the ref ?
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Big Sam Allardyce can sort us out and get us organised again at the same time reminding the players they play for the clucb and not the other way around. Am i going mad?
In my opinion, yes.
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What's Houllier had to say ? Blamed the ref ?
Probably something along the lines "It was a poor result but we kept the ball well in the second half"
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Randy won't sack him but if Houllier had any self-respect he would resign. We Don't even look like scoring- he is clueless!!!!
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Get Big Sam in and he will whip those players in shape. But he must make us play passing game as well.
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What's Houllier had to say ? Blamed the ref ?
hopefully something along the lines of
the city is ours, the city is ours, au revoir moi, the city is ours
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It will take a heart attack and a suicidal maniac with a claymore and a kilt to get rid of Houllier.
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It will take a heart attack and a suicidal maniac with a claymore and a kilt to get rid of Houllier.
Christophe Lambert? He turned down the defensive coaching job apparently
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Get Big Sam in and he will whip those players in shape. But he must make us play passing game as well.
I know you're not supposed to, but a 'lol' would suffice perfectly for this post.
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What's Houllier had to say ? Blamed the ref ?
He's going to restore player confidence, according to the os.
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How?
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Ive just drunk 2 very quick Stellas and im not done yet so apologise now for anything of offense that may come out later
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You and me both. First bottle of white nearly finished.
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Get Big Sam in and he will whip those players in shape. But he must make us play passing game as well.
I know you're not supposed to, but a 'lol' would suffice perfectly for this post.
That's how bad it is, Allardyce being mooted with a straight face. There's only one way Allardyce should be mooted and that is swathed in gaffer tape on a leaky trawler straight out into the North Atlantic
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Sun 2 Chelsea - Lost
Wed 5 Sunderland - Draw
Sat 8 Cup Not botherd
Sun 16 Clowns - Draw
Sat 22 Citeh - Lost
Tue 25 Wigan Athletic - WIN
February 2011
Tue 1 Manure - Lost
Sat 5 Fulham - Lost
Sat 12 Blackpool - WIN
Sat 26 Blackburn - Draw
March 2011
Sat 5 Bolton - WIN
Sat 19 Wolves - Draw
April 2011
Sat 2 Everton - Lost
Sat 9 Newcastle - WIN
Sat 16 West Ham United - Draw
Sat 23 Stoke City - Lost
Sat 30 West Brom - WIN
May 2011
Sat 7 Wigan - Draw
Sat 14 Arsenal - Lost
Sun 22 Liverpool - Lost
I think 17 to 18 points minimum and we'll be fine the only problem is looking at the fixtures on paper we're only picking up 15!! With our defence and our non existent goal threat we'll struggle.
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Ive just drunk 2 very quick Stellas and im not done yet so apologise now for anything of offense that may come out later
Think i'll join you in that.
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You and me both. First bottle of white nearly finished.
Big bottle of Jd ive just cracked open and i doubt it will last very long
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How?
Your guess is as good as mine.
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I am away in the north east seeing family, i forgot about the game tillnBout 40 mins checked the score and its wrecked my day now.
I think the General needs to come back and at least try and give us some insight.
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I think there should be a separate thread exclusively for drunken ramblings. They could well stand the test of time.
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They're just pouring the 3rd Stella
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It will take a heart attack and a suicidal maniac with a claymore and a kilt to get rid of Houllier.
Christophe Lambert? He turned down the defensive coaching job apparently
Stop it! I'm trying to be miserable.
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3 stellas inside 27 mins, how ironic
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I think there should be a separate thread exclusively for drunken ramblings. They could well stand the test of time.
yep count me in
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3 stellas inside 27 mins, how ironic
hope you not married
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3 stellas inside 27 mins, how ironic
For the analogy to work, it needs to be two *soft* drinks and the other one on a plate
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There is a rumour going around that GED did not travel back with the players on the coach and was with Lerner? anyone heard this?
also on WM GED publically saying Lichaj had a nightmare game, sure that will boost the young lads confidence!!
Houllier Out!
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I'm about to hit the pub and being one of the few Irish Villa fans ( and only fan in my town) i know those cocky gunners ant utd fans are gonna test my patience!
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Yesterday I said that we should give GH until the end of January and see who he brings in. I now see the error of my ways and would go as far as saying that if he is still our manager on 1st February then we will definitely be relegated.
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There is a rumour going around that GED did not travel back with the players on the coach and was with Lerner? anyone heard this?
also on WM GED publically saying Lichaj had a nightmare game, sure that will boost the young lads confidence!!
Houllier Out!
Cant believe he said that fed up of him having a go at players to the media
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Was Lerner at the game today ?
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Was Lerner at the game today ?
yeah he was their hopefully he feels the same way as we do
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I've been arguing - last time, this morning - that it is madness to consider changing manager now, that he needs to be given a transfer window etc etc, and I still feel that way largely, but this afternoon was just shocking beyond belief and I am now starting to wonder if I was right.
Man City played well, but the simple fact is, they could have played with nine men and still easily beaten us. They didn't even play Tevez, FFS.
The main thing I slowly realised today was that this is about the players not wanting to play for the manager, it is absolutely as clear as day.
For whatever reason this is - they don't like Houllier, they don't like Gary Mac, they don't like the training routines, they're all raging Francophobes, I don't know - I now am not at all sure that bringing players in in January is going to be sufficient to turn this around, and that the bad vibes and negativity at the club at the moment will swamp out any improvement from fresh faces.
The devil here is in the detail. For example, not a single protest from our players for a goal which was quite clearly not over the line says an awful lot. No passion, no fight, no grit, no nothing.
It is also noticeable that the fans are turning against him in real numbers. Someone on here (Woodhall possibly) frequently says that Villa fans are a supportive lot, but when they turn, they do so en masse. I'm wondering if that's what we saw today.
They were fucking annoying at the time, but consider again the frequent needless gaffes ('Natural position between 7th and 12th", "not a club on the same level as Liverpool", "well, I need to finish my work at the FFF first", "I might be here for Stoke, I might not", "I dont like losing 3-0, but if i have to, I prefer to do so to Liverpool", touching the Anfield sign, ignoring our fans and applauding the Kop after a shameful performance, "what is my aim? survival".
All of those were pointless, unnecessary, avoidable clangers, now he finds himself really in need of support from the fans, he's not going to get much. If he'd avoided half of those clangers, he'd probably at least have some goodwill in the bank.
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There is a rumour going around that GED did not travel back with the players on the coach and was with Lerner? anyone heard this?
also on WM GED publically saying Lichaj had a nightmare game, sure that will boost the young lads confidence!!
Houllier Out!
If he has said that about Lichaj that is a bloody disgrace, that will do him the world of good. Something else I can't stand about Houllier never takes responsibility for anything.
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There is a rumour going around that GED did not travel back with the players on the coach and was with Lerner? anyone heard this?
also on WM GED publically saying Lichaj had a nightmare game, sure that will boost the young lads confidence!!
Houllier Out!
It's a rumour. Most probably false.
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Times Up for GED, its a shambles, get Martin Jol before he's snapped up
>:(
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Get Big Sam in and he will whip those players in shape. But he must make us play passing game as well.
I know you're not supposed to, but a 'lol' would suffice perfectly for this post.
That's how bad it is, Allardyce being mooted with a straight face. There's only one way Allardyce should be mooted and that is swathed in gaffer tape on a leaky trawler straight out into the North Atlantic
We're desperate, aren't we? Fat Sam being mentioned as a serious replacement on here, Joey Barton being linked to us in the press...Chelsea up next, after a 4-0 drubbing at Man City. Two wins in twelve games. Merry Christmas!
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I'm no advocate for sacking a manager before you've given him a transfer window but he looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights.
As for today's game [and half a dozen other away games this year] I can accept many things in a side but lack of passion, know-how and desire is very worrying. Passion and direction comes mainly from the preparation of a side before kick off. Yes, he hasn't had a transfer window, these aren't his players etc. But this run doesn't say much for Gerard's ability to motivate and prepare a group of players.
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Spare a thought for siblings of aston villa players...if they were banking on a great xmas on the back of daddy's win bonuses...i bet they were ringing NSPCC on xmas morning complaining about their scrooge like dads.I just hope that none of the kids have a birthday before the season ends....they be worse off than third world kids!
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I've been arguing - last time, this morning - that it is madness to consider changing manager now, that he needs to be given a transfer window etc etc, and I still feel that way largely, but this afternoon was just shocking beyond belief and I am now starting to wonder if I was right.
Man City played well, but the simple fact is, they could have played with nine men and still easily beaten us. They didn't even play Tevez, FFS.
The main thing I slowly realised today was that this is about the players not wanting to play for the manager, it is absolutely as clear as day.
For whatever reason this is - they don't like Houllier, they don't like Gary Mac, they don't like the training routines, they're all raging Francophobes, I don't know - I now am not at all sure that bringing players in in January is going to be sufficient to turn this around, and that the bad vibes and negativity at the club at the moment will swamp out any improvement from fresh faces.
The devil here is in the detail. For example, not a single protest from our players for a goal which was quite clearly not over the line says an awful lot. No passion, no fight, no grit, no nothing.
It is also noticeable that the fans are turning against him in real numbers. Someone on here (Woodhall possibly) frequently says that Villa fans are a supportive lot, but when they turn, they do so en masse. I'm wondering if that's what we saw today.
They were fucking annoying at the time, but consider again the frequent needless gaffes ('Natural position between 7th and 12th", "not a club on the same level as Liverpool", "well, I need to finish my work at the FFF first", "I might be here for Stoke, I might not", "I dont like losing 3-0, but if i have to, I prefer to do so to Liverpool", touching the Anfield sign, ignoring our fans and applauding the Kop after a shameful performance, "what is my aim? survival".
All of those were pointless, unnecessary, avoidable clangers, now he finds himself really in need of support from the fans, he's not going to get much. If he'd avoided half of those clangers, he'd probably at least have some goodwill in the bank.
Top post.
Exactly my feeling also paulie.
Its also the arrogant smirk he gives off that says ''You are lucky to have me here'' that pisses me off as well.
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I remember now what it's like to support the Villa. Being bored with coming sixth every season... sod that. This is the claret and blue crack cocaine, straight into my lung
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Spare a thought for siblings of aston villa players...if they were banking on a great xmas on the back of daddy's win bonuses...i bet they were ringing NSPCC on xmas morning complaining about their scrooge like dads.I just hope that none of the kids have a birthday before the season ends....they be worse off than third world kids!
What are you going on about?
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I like many was willing to give Houllier the transfer window, but now im beginning to think we are going to inherit players that we dont want and its best we get shot now before Houllier does even more damage
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We're fucking shit, all over the park.
Sell them all.
I've had enough.
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There is a rumour going around that GED did not travel back with the players on the coach and was with Lerner? anyone heard this?
also on WM GED publically saying Lichaj had a nightmare game, sure that will boost the young lads confidence!!
Houllier Out!
It's a rumour. Most probably false.
He is Guest of Honour at a dinner tonight being held by the Spirit of Shankly mob. Apparently it had been planned months ago.
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Spare a thought for siblings of aston villa players...if they were banking on a great xmas on the back of daddy's win bonuses...i bet they were ringing NSPCC on xmas morning complaining about their scrooge like dads.I just hope that none of the kids have a birthday before the season ends....they be worse off than third world kids!
Yes I'm sure they struggle to scrape by on £40K per week and their kids have to find work as chimney sweeps due to their families intense poverty.
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How many points were people expecting out of the games against Man City (A), Spurs (H), WBA (H), L'Pool (A), Arsenal (H), Blackburn (A) and Man U (H). I would have expected 3 or 4 points. A win v West Brom and maybe a point at B'burn. And we got 4 points.
I'm still backing the manager. We have winnable games in Jan, Feb & March.
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Ian Holloway anyone ??
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Give Houllier the window and all we'll get is some 3rd rate French cast offs who have no stomach for a bottom 3 scrap
Get him out straight after the Chelsea defeat if not earlier
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what i dont understand is people saying give him the transfer window?
have you seen who we have been linked with?
Djibril Cisse? Darren Gibson? and now Joey Barton?
im just waiting for the likes of Jimmy traore and sammi hyppia to be linked
please just end it now Houllier and do the most honourable thing left and walk
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There is a rumour going around that GED did not travel back with the players on the coach and was with Lerner? anyone heard this?
also on WM GED publically saying Lichaj had a nightmare game, sure that will boost the young lads confidence!!
Houllier Out!
If he has said that about Lichaj that is a bloody disgrace, that will do him the world of good. Something else I can't stand about Houllier never takes responsibility for anything.
As I said on another thread earlier that's what Liverpool fans would say. He always points the finger of blame, he never takes responsibility. Alex Ferguson always shielded his players and look at the success he has enjoyed. Blaming players or hanging them out to dry won't work.
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Let's hope Liverpool sack Woy & appoint Houllier...
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Forget about the transfer window-
1) What player of any quality would want to join us with the state we are in at the moment?
2) What player of any quality would want to play for Houllier especially given his lack of man-management skills?
3) If by some fluke we do attract a decent player who can see past my first 2 points, who would sign for a manager who could well be sacked from the club by the end of the season?
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I don't hold this "they don't want to play for the manager" theory.
I watched the game on the internet, and thought we was just very poor against a good team.We are making stupid mistakes, Licjahs challenge to give away the penalty was ridiculous, and we was up against it after that.
We have to accept we are not very good atm, but judge us against Bloose etc, not Citeeh, Chelsk and Spuds.
Although paulies arguement about his constant foot in mouth comments was quite compelling.Do i want him to go, not bothered tbh, but not for Big Sam.Owen Coyle or Holloway, yes.
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How many points were people expecting out of the games against Man City (A), Spurs (H), WBA (H), L'Pool (A), Arsenal (H), Blackburn (A) and Man U (H). I would have expected 3 or 4 points. A win v West Brom and maybe a point at B'burn. And we got 4 points.
I'm still backing the manager. We have winnable games in Jan, Feb & March.
It's the way we lost today that was the worry.I don't think the players want to play for the manager
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There is a rumour going around that GED did not travel back with the players on the coach and was with Lerner? anyone heard this?
also on WM GED publically saying Lichaj had a nightmare game, sure that will boost the young lads confidence!!
Houllier Out!
It's a rumour. Most probably false.
He is Guest of Honour at a dinner tonight being held by the Spirit of Shankly mob. Apparently it had been planned months ago.
Short of being snapped out on Broad Street doing sambuccas with the rest of the squad at 3am tomorrow morning, I can't think of many less public relations friendly things for him to be doing this evening.
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Humble pie most definitely is the main course of the day for me. I've been ranting saying sacking the manager at this point is insane and arguing against you lot. Now I'm not so sure. So plainly obvious that the players don't want to be here and play for the club under GH.
A few days ago I said if we get rid of him we can kiss good bye to the likes of Ashley young. He way it's looking I wouldn't be surprised if ash already has his bags packed and moved out weeks ago and this injury is just an excuse to not play him. No one want to put on a villa shirt at the moment. I'm so disheartened to be a villa fan at the moment. Big sam isn't the answer either though. We need to move forward. Maybe tapping up hodgson before he's pushed out of liverpool. Or will he start mentioning Liverpool in every other sentence too?????
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Let's hope Liverpool sack Woy & appoint Houllier...
I bloody wish we had Woy at the Villa now.
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I'm never disheartened to be a Villa fan. Well pissed off at the moment, but not disheartened. We'll come good.
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How many points were people expecting out of the games against Man City (A), Spurs (H), WBA (H), L'Pool (A), Arsenal (H), Blackburn (A) and Man U (H). I would have expected 3 or 4 points. A win v West Brom and maybe a point at B'burn. And we got 4 points.
It isn't just about points, though. It is about performances, which suggest where we're going in a more subtle manner, and the trajectory they are eeking out for us at the moment doesn't suggest there will be many points from the next games either.
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Roy Hodgson is not the answer
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Paulie, Houllier can say what the hell he wants if the team are performing. MON used to come out with how wonderful the football was after a real dire performance but at least we got a point or all three. The problem is not what he says but what his team are not doing.
Agree in part with BLF, City were very good today, physically much stronger than us, it was like watching men against boys. We had not fight. Nothing. That concerns me far more than the GH gaffes.
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There is a rumour going around that GED did not travel back with the players on the coach and was with Lerner? anyone heard this?
also on WM GED publically saying Lichaj had a nightmare game, sure that will boost the young lads confidence!!
Houllier Out!
If he has said that about Lichaj that is a bloody disgrace, that will do him the world of good. Something else I can't stand about Houllier never takes responsibility for anything.
As I said on another thread earlier that's what Liverpool fans would say. He always points the finger of blame, he never takes responsibility. Alex Ferguson always shielded his players and look at the success he has enjoyed. Blaming players or hanging them out to dry won't work.
I have to agree he shouldn't have said that about Lichaj but I wonder how many other people agree with him?
My son and I actually thought Lichaj was our best player today, as he was against Spurs.
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I'm never disheartened to be a Villa fan. Well pissed off at the moment, but not disheartened. We'll come good.
I think u need to pick me up and dust me down. I'm so, so gutted at the moment leigon I just don't know what to do. I go through the turn styles every home game but feel like I'm just going through the motions. I'm not getting excited like I used to. I don't get angry either. I just feel in different at the moment. I hope we do come good. Villa is my life and I just feel like the manager and players don't care.
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They were fucking annoying at the time, but consider again the frequent needless gaffes ('Natural position between 7th and 12th", "not a club on the same level as Liverpool", "well, I need to finish my work at the FFF first", "I might be here for Stoke, I might not", "I dont like losing 3-0, but if i have to, I prefer to do so to Liverpool", touching the Anfield sign, ignoring our fans and applauding the Kop after a shameful performance, "what is my aim? survival".
All of those were pointless, unnecessary, avoidable clangers, now he finds himself really in need of support from the fans, he's not going to get much. If he'd avoided half of those clangers, he'd probably at least have some goodwill in the bank.
That sums it up quite nicely for me. One aggravating comment after another, then this load of shite on the pitch. Very little goodwill in the bank for you, Mr Houllier.
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Having managed to miss the game, what worries me most having read the threads and reports - for the last three months I've been saying that the injuries have been the problem and as soon as we had a full squad to pick from then everything would sort itself out.
Apart from Young (who obviously isn't going to be around much longer anyway), we weren't far off being at full strength today.
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Pretty much what a few others have said. I was all for giving GH time and a window but am beginning to have my doubts. I don't mnd us losing the last 2 games but the manner in which we did is appalling.....no urgency, closing down, hassle, urgency, passion, desire...etc etc etc...
What on earth happened to that young team that played Man Yoo off the park for at least 45 minutes...?
We all want to blame someone...GH? Players? MON? probably all 3 right now...
Right now it's either back him or sack him for GH. He's under enourmous scrutiny and pressure...
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Paulie, Houllier can say what the hell he wants if the team are performing. MON used to come out with how wonderful the football was after a real dire performance but at least we got a point or all three. The problem is not what he says but what his team are not doing.
Agree in part with BLF, City were very good today, physically much stronger than us, it was like watching men against boys. We had not fight. Nothing. That concerns me far more than the GH gaffes.
I'm not saying the gaffes are the problem, I was just saying that now, when he could really use a bit of support, there's going to be a lot less there than there would have been had he not dropped clanger after clanger.
The gaffes were harmless and irrelevant to events on the pitch when he made them. Now we're finding our fans singing "Fuck off Houllier, the Villa is ours" at him - they'd have been far less likely to turn had he kept his mouth shut in the first place. I said at the time it was creating extra problems needlessly - we had enough already.
I think when you find the fans turning so spectacularly as that, things are approaching an end.
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Petrov first start in 2 or 3 months, Reo-Coker first start in 2 or 3 months. We could not rotate like Man City could and bring in fresh fit players after a game less than 2 days ago.
You talk about trajectory but we fought against Man U, we fought against Arsenal, We played well against WBA. And we were good in patches against spurs but lacked a cutting edge. Did i read 22 chances? It was an abject performance from a tired squad who cannot be rotated.
I will judge GH in feb when we have played Wigan, Sunderland, Fulham, Blackpool and Blackburn. We have had an awful run of fixtures with a depleted squad that are only just coming back. I said at the time that it was a shame the Wigan game got postponed because I think we would have won that game and it would have bought us some comfort and GH some time.
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All those comments above, only the ignoring the fans really got to me.
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Yaya Toure, Kompany, Viera, MRichards, were fr too strong and physical for us today, we could'nt keep the ball long enough to hurt them, and we don't pass the ball quick enough, we don't get the ball to Downing/Albrighton/Gabbyu quick enough.
To stick up for GH a bit, i don't think he has been left anyone to play this role in midfield.If we are going to get rid of GH, at least let him get M'Vila, or the guy from Le Havre first, because they look like they have the strength and ability to compete at the highest level.I'm afraid Petrov and NRC showed their limitations at this level.
On the positive side, Delph yet again showed they he does'nt hide, and has the ability, and Licjah perservered as well despite having a very poor 1st half.
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He is Guest of Honour at a dinner tonight being held by the Spirit of Shankly mob. Apparently it had been planned months ago.
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Is this true?
If it is surely he realises that it wouldn't be the smartest thing to do.
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what manager is going to get that shower to play for them what insentive can he offer. Most know they are in the last chance saloon and were thankful for Mon's generosity. Him quitting, walking out, running away leaves them in the same position the crowd he left at Celtic were in. They like we will have to, took a hit and still have not found enough to finance a total rebuild.
To do so in the Prem will be harder, much harder. Too many hangers on and not enough quality experience to help the kids. If Tsvet,s insider knowledge is right, there's no chance Randy will refinance the squad, so its a no win situation and no manager can sort that in under 6 months.
Sack who u like I'm not impressed with Houllier, but I seriously can't see anyone else doing anything with the shit Mon left, short term.
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Is this the worst performance of the season or is it a long line of consistent performances.I think it is both.
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They were fucking annoying at the time, but consider again the frequent needless gaffes ('Natural position between 7th and 12th", "not a club on the same level as Liverpool", "well, I need to finish my work at the FFF first", "I might be here for Stoke, I might not", "I dont like losing 3-0, but if i have to, I prefer to do so to Liverpool", touching the Anfield sign, ignoring our fans and applauding the Kop after a shameful performance, "what is my aim? survival".
All of those were pointless, unnecessary, avoidable clangers, now he finds himself really in need of support from the fans, he's not going to get much. If he'd avoided half of those clangers, he'd probably at least have some goodwill in the bank.
That sums it up quite nicely for me. One aggravating comment after another, then this load of shite on the pitch. Very little goodwill in the bank for you, Mr Houllier.
To be fair, he's also commented that our priority is the champions league. Not a recent comment admittedly.
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You talk about trajectory but we fought against Man U, we fought against Arsenal, We played well against WBA. And we were good in patches against spurs but lacked a cutting edge. Did i read 22 chances? It was an abject performance from a tired squad who cannot be rotated.
I take your point, but Man United was 6 weeks ago, WBA at home, we counter attacked most of the game, Spurs we got nothing - you don't get points for chances - and we got fuck all today.
Taking few points is far more acceptable if the drive, fight and effort is there. Unfortunately, it isn't, and it seems to be getting worse.
You're right in that he needs time, etc etc, but I am starting to think the juggernaut is now picking up so much momentum, this is going to carry us down.
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As Delboy once said.......Bonjour Mr Houllier
mangetout mangetout.
fabrique
belgique
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He is Guest of Honour at a dinner tonight being held by the Spirit of Shankly mob. Apparently it had been planned months ago.
Whether planned or not, he shouldn't be there. He's in the middle of a crisis at Aston Villa and the last thing he should be doing is licking another club's arse.
In fact he should just fecking well stay there selling tea at half time. Sack him.
Is this true?
If it is surely he realises that it wouldn't be the smartest thing to do.
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what manager is going to get that shower to play for them what insentive can he offer. Most know they are in the last chance saloon and were thankful for Mon's generosity. Him quitting, walking out, running away leaves them in the same position the crowd he left at Celtic were in. They like we will have to, took a hit and still have not found enough to finance a total rebuild.
To do so in the Prem will be harder, much harder. Too many hangers on and not enough quality experience to help the kids. If Tsvet,s insider knowledge is right, there's no chance Randy will refinance the squad, so its a no win situation and no manager can sort that in under 6 months.
Sack who u like I'm not impressed with Houllier, but I seriously can't see anyone else doing anything with the shit Mon left, short term.
Yes Malcolm, today was all the fault of O'Neill.
And I'm not sure what Tsvet's insider knowledge is, but I'm guessing Lerner isn't doing many press conferences out in Bulgaria.
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Just got back, will give the thread a read when I've had a bath etc, the most spineless performance i've ever been too, im now convinced none of them want to play for Houllier, none of them give a shit, no passion, no drive, just nothing at all, fair enough the first penalty was soft as fuck and theres no way the linesman could've seen if the header crossed the line or not, infact im sure it did'nt and the stupid ****** just took a guess, even so after that I wana see a reaction, shout at each other, kick fuck out of the City players, just anything, don't let your fucking heads drop and the mope around for 80 minutes like a bunch of kids, just a woeful performance from top to bottom, made me ashamed
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He is Guest of Honour at a dinner tonight being held by the Spirit of Shankly mob. Apparently it had been planned months ago.
that has to be made up, there is no way on earth he would be stupid enough to do such a thing
or maybe that is what he thinks of Aston Villa Football Club - feck all
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Nothing about this event on the Spirit of Shankly website. Let's take a deep breath please
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OK. Poorly as we played, and we were dreadful, the first three goals, all coming so early they killed us off if we weren't dead already, all had elements of doubt. A soft penalty - I bet we wouldn't have got that one if it had been up the other end; a ball that was headed off the line - no conclusive replays to show it was over so how does the lino know; Balotelli standing offside as he collects the ball to score the third. No excuses for our shambolic performamce, but we could have been hanging in there at half time. Ever the optimist.
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You talk about trajectory but we fought against Man U, we fought against Arsenal, We played well against WBA. And we were good in patches against spurs but lacked a cutting edge. Did i read 22 chances? It was an abject performance from a tired squad who cannot be rotated.
I take your point, but Man United was 6 weeks ago, WBA at home, we counter attacked most of the game, Spurs we got nothing - you don't get points for chances - and we got fuck all today.
Taking few points is far more acceptable if the drive, fight and effort is there. Unfortunately, it isn't, and it seems to be getting worse.
You're right in that he needs time, etc etc, but I am starting to think the juggernaut is now picking up so much momentum, this is going to carry us down.
The only games I have seen that we have not fought was Liverpool and today. The rest in my mind have all shown fight and determination just not she skill and composure. I will even forgive todays lack of fight and put it down to 2 matches in less than 2 days with our stretched squad. I know Petrov and Reo were back but come on they can be nowhere near match fit.
(Not aimed at you Paulie) It is funny, alot of us are whinging and whining that the players are not giving their all. However, it also seem a lot of our supporters are not giving their all in the support of the team. Villa park is so quiet now even the Holte is quieter. Lets get right behind the club (team/board/manager) and drive the Villa forward. The only thing that will drive this club down is everyone pulling in the opposite direction.
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Nothing about this event on the Spirit of Shankly website. Let's take a deep breath please
I'm sure somebody just made it up.
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Most probably.
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I didn't see the game but i listened to it on 5 Live, and they were actually laughing at how bad we were. So we are now officially a laughing stock something that has been pointed out here a few times. On the subject of laughing, it's Chelsea next and if there was ever a team you would like to meet to end a bad run it would be Villa as we have shown ad nausem over the years.
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Gutless, clueless, pointless, hapless
We would be poor in the championship
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Didn't even realise Villa were playing today... shows how much I care. When I saw the result I just wasn't surprised... still can't believe how far we've fallen in such a short time. Even getting in new players in the transfer window doesn't feel like it's going to change anything.
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He is Guest of Honour at a dinner tonight being held by the Spirit of Shankly mob. Apparently it had been planned months ago.
and it would be a shame not to stop over and watch Liverpool v Wolves tomorrow night ;)
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Didn't even realise Villa were playing today...
You and the players.
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However, it also seem a lot of our supporters are not giving their all in the support of the team. Villa park is so quiet now even the Holte is quieter. Lets get right behind the club (team/board/manager) and drive the Villa forward. The only thing that will drive this club down is everyone pulling in the opposite direction.
I understand what you're saying but sometimes the team needs to show the passion and guts to drag the crowd up and give them something to sing about. There is only so much we can do. We all get behind the team but it's difficult when what you're watching is so lacklustre.
I've been going down the villa recently and just sittin there watching the game. Usually I come back with a broken voice from singing all game long an cuts and bruises from celebrating and jumping around. I'm usually a right mess and I love it!!!
But at the moment as much as I've tried, tried and tried there is only so much you can do. Sometimes the team need to give you something to sing about.
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The worst Villa performance since Liverpool, in fact since Randy arrived at the club. Disgraceful.
Chelsea 7-1 Aston Villa.
Worst perfromance of the past twenty years. I'm sure we'll do our best to secure a worst result on the 2nd.
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Gutless, clueless, pointless, hapless
We would be poor in the championship
I think we are going to find this out
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The worst Villa performance since Liverpool, in fact since Randy arrived at the club. Disgraceful.
Chelsea 7-1 Aston Villa.
Worst perfromance of the past twenty years. I'm sure we'll do our best to secure a worst result on the 2nd.
Newcastle 6 - Villa 0 also.
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Takes a deep breath. Did anyone seriously expect anything out of this game or Chelsea for that matter, the amount of vitriol and hand wringing is over the top big time. We are a team in transition that have many players coming back from long term injuries and have run in to a succession of top teams. Many are blaming the manager and i read he has lost the players, what gives them the right to choose whether to play for him or not? maybe these are the players that need getting rid of, any player that does not give his all in every game no matter who the manager is i don't want wearing the shirt. I will hold fire until i see who he brings in and when we are being beaten by the Blackburns and wolves of the division. From the day that Oneill walked out this season was always going to be a write off, the long term injuries just made the situation worse.
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The players do not want to play for Houllier. It boils my piss what a disgrace they are and I’m not sure how we can reconcile that.
What I find more depressing than that piss poor display, is the fact that other people are seriously suggesting Sam fucking Alladyce. Fucking hell, talk about the man that built his house upon the sand. £120 million and we’re reduced to this? A fat Albion Yam-Yam as the saviour?
Fighting amongst the Villa fans after the game too. Bad times.
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Takes a deep breath. Did anyone seriously expect anything out of this game or Chelsea for that matter, the amount of vitriol and hand wringing is over the top big time. We are a team in transition that have many players coming back from long term injuries and have run in to a succession of top teams. Many are blaming the manager and i read he has lost the players, what gives them the right to choose whether to play for him or not? maybe these are the players that need getting rid of, any player that does not give his all in every game no matter who the manager is i don't want wearing the shirt. I will hold fire until i see who he brings in and when we are being beaten by the Blackburns and wolves of the division. From the day that Oneill walked out this season was always going to be a write off, the long term injuries just made the situation worse.
Spot on.
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I will hold fire until i see who he brings in and when we are being beaten by the Blackburns and wolves of the division.
Errrrr
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I am not that bothered about losing this game as I have factored in zero points today and Sunday in my outlook for the team in the next few weeks.
However it is widely reported in the media that we came and we surrendered. Some have said that Villa players were not bothered about being spanked. City did not even run up a sweat in doing this. There was no fight no guts shown against a City 2nd string. They got waht they expected.
This is shameful from so called professionals. No Villa team should ever take the field without any intent other than winning the match.
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Can anyone who went confirm that fans were chanting 'fuck off houillier' at the manager as some people are saying they heard it on the radio?
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what manager is going to get that shower to play for them what insentive can he offer. Most know they are in the last chance saloon and were thankful for Mon's generosity. Him quitting, walking out, running away leaves them in the same position the crowd he left at Celtic were in. They like we will have to, took a hit and still have not found enough to finance a total rebuild.
To do so in the Prem will be harder, much harder. Too many hangers on and not enough quality experience to help the kids. If Tsvet,s insider knowledge is right, there's no chance Randy will refinance the squad, so its a no win situation and no manager can sort that in under 6 months.
Sack who u like I'm not impressed with Houllier, but I seriously can't see anyone else doing anything with the shit Mon left, short term.
Didn't he leave Celtic to look after his sick wife?
And didn't they win the title the season after he left?
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It's the manner in which we're losing though. If It was well played but just beaten by better teams that's one thing. When it's 6 goals in two games. One of the worst defensive records in te league and a passionless performance then that's another thing.
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I think people will accept losing as long as there is a little more fight, effort and pride.
That's the difference.
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And I'm not sure what Tsvet's insider knowledge is, but I'm guessing Lerner isn't doing many press conferences out in Bulgaria.
I have no insider knowledge on money - I thought it's all a public knowledge. I 've read at 2-3 different places that money isn't available, and also the commentator of the Spurs game, two days ago, said something like "now that it was publicly announced that Villa would need to sell before they can buy..." So I am a firm believer that the french old man will not be given any real money next week. And I'd be actually more frightened if he is - I am indeed terrified by the prospect of who might be brought in.
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I think people will accept losing as long as there is a little more fight, effort and pride.
That's the difference.
*bingo*
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The worst Villa performance since Liverpool, in fact since Randy arrived at the club. Disgraceful.
Chelsea 7-1 Aston Villa.
Worst perfromance of the past twenty years. I'm sure we'll do our best to secure a worst result on the 2nd.
bad result no doubt, but after the chelsea match you knew we would/could come back with a win using the experience as motivation
unfortunatley, i cant see us getting a win in our next match or even a result
thats why i think todays "performance" ranks even worse than the 7-1
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Listen..that 5 live is only a media outlet for liverpool fc thru the mouth of Alan Green,Usually with some ex scouse planted beside him....it only a love in of a station.No one needs to tell us how bad we were today,we know how bad things are.
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Can anyone who went confirm that fans were chanting 'fuck off houillier' at the manager as some people are saying they heard it on the radio?
Some were singing “Fuck off Houllier- the Villa is ours”.
As I said on a previous page, fighting amongst Villa fans. Very Blackburn esque under Brian Little.
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And I'm not sure what Tsvet's insider knowledge is, but I'm guessing Lerner isn't doing many press conferences out in Bulgaria.
I have no insider knowledge on money - I thought it's all a public knowledge. I 've read at 2-3 different places that money isn't available, and also the commentator of the Spurs game, two days ago, said something like "now that it was publicly announced that Villa would need to sell before they can buy..."
The only thing that I've heard from the club is that he will be backed in January. Whether that's true or not remains to be seen, but the only 'public announcements' have been positive (as one would expect).
But thanks for confirming that Malcolm was talking nonsense again.
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Quite. My worst memory of relegation is Russ Abbott telling a `joke' about us on ITV.
He is doing panto now.
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And I'm not sure what Tsvet's insider knowledge is, but I'm guessing Lerner isn't doing many press conferences out in Bulgaria.
I have no insider knowledge on money - I thought it's all a public knowledge. I 've read at 2-3 different places that money isn't available, and also the commentator of the Spurs game, two days ago, said something like "now that it was publicly announced that Villa would need to sell before they can buy..." So I am a firm believer that the french old man will not be given any real money next week. And I'd be actually more frightened if he is - I am indeed terrified by the prospect of who might be brought in.
I've been told by an 'insider' that there is money to spend. Randy will back the manager for any player. What he won't do is continue to increase our outlay in wages. That must be sorted and is why MON couldn't spend anymore at that time.
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I didnt expect us to get anything from today or even boxing day,but its the manner of the defeats which is the worrying thing. When I saw our line up today I didnt think it was too bad to be honest,all pretty good players,but something isnt working,and 3 wins from 13 or 14 games says alot. Confidence is non exsistant,lack of shape,fight.
And the fact that were doing so poor in a poor league this year is starting to scare the shit out of me,I dont think we'll go down at all,but the ability to sign half decent players,or to hang onto the ones we have is fading real fast.
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Can anyone who went confirm that fans were chanting 'fuck off houillier' at the manager as some people are saying they heard it on the radio?
there were a number of fans, a rather large number in fact, singing 'fuck off houllier, the villa is ours'
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Just got back. They were much better technically. Our players are not good enough although I was in the players lounge after the game and the vibe from our players was not good. Bannan was straight into the lobby looking glum. Petrov had a face like thunder and was on his own away from the rest of them. We need a big clearout because the players we have just cannot play possession football. City had a team full of players that can take the ball in tight situations, our players seem to panic and lump it.
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Post match press conference
He's looking somewhat downcast.
One thing I will say, is that this is more proof that Carew is a fucking disgrace.
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To be fair I agree Gary. Anybody who has ever expected anything positive from Man City is a fool.
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Just got back. They were much better technically. Our players are not good enough although I was in the players lounge after the game and the vibe from our players was not good. Bannan was straight into the lobby looking glum. Petrov had a face like thunder and was on his own away from the rest of them. We need a big clearout because the players we have just cannot play possession football. City had a team full of players that can take the ball in tight situations, our players seem to panic and lump it.
Karl would you say the players were unhappy because of the result? I.e. did it seem like they cared or did they come out happy and not bothered?
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Post match press conference
He's looking somewhat downcast.
One thing I will say, is that this is more proof that Carew is a fucking disgrace.
He's looked downcast for the last month,apart from at Anfield.
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Just got back. They were much better technically. Our players are not good enough although I was in the players lounge after the game and the vibe from our players was not good. Bannan was straight into the lobby looking glum. Petrov had a face like thunder and was on his own away from the rest of them. We need a big clearout because the players we have just cannot play possession football. City had a team full of players that can take the ball in tight situations, our players seem to panic and lump it.
Karl would you say the players were unhappy because of the result? I.e. did it seem like they cared or did they come out happy and not bothered?
They definitely looked pissed off because of the result, there was no laughing and joking. There was just a weird vibe amongst the players.
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Brad had his hands on his head. Warnock gave the away fans a snidey look, the jibbing Scouse twat. Pires and The Fonz clapped the fans- the rest were more interested in swapping shirts.
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watching that post match conference
he reminds me of a sub teacher at our school
trying to act as if he is in charge, but knowing that he isnt - when asked about Carew i could feel his embarassment when answering
i was squirming for him
do yourself a favour and walk away
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Carew is a piss taking wanker.
I can agree with O'Neill with his antipathy towards the him. He took the piss before our biggest European game in years and was lauded for it and now he’s taking the piss now. Fuck off Carew and take the other wankers with you.
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Sounds like he's losing the will to live.
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watching that post match conference
he reminds me of a sub teacher at our school
trying to act as if he is in charge, but knowing that he isnt - when asked about Carew i could feel his embarassment when answering
i was squirming for him
do yourself a favour and walk away
Absolutely correct. He looks utterly defeated. Note the reference to the job being difficult for many unnamed reasons. Managers tell players what to do, not the other way around. Is Carew in charge?!
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Carew is a piss taking wanker.
I can agree with O'Neill with his antipathy towards the him. He took the piss before our biggest European game in years and was lauded for it and now he’s taking the piss now. Fuck off Carew and take the other wankers with you.
I have been saying this for ages - he is a disgrace and if he was 'fit' I wouldn't trust him to put a shift in for us.
Some fans think he is a legend because he got caught in a titty bar the night before our biggest european game in years.
Says it all - desperate times.
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Can someone please teach him how to do a windsor knot.
The thing always looks strangled ;-)
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Whats he saying about Carew, I cant see it?
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Post match press conference
He's looking somewhat downcast.
One thing I will say, is that this is more proof that Carew is a fucking disgrace.
Hate to say it but he looks and sounds like a beaten man.
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Whats he saying about Carew, I cant see it?
Carew returned late from the pre Christmas break - two days, he'd been in Norway - and declared himself "unfit"
A journo asked "did he slip on some ice", which was sarcastically amusing.
Still, I suspect they'll be singing "bigger than me and you" to him again next time we see him warming up (if we ever do).
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Ta, a disgrace. I'd sell him to someone really shit to teach him a lesson.
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Ta, a disgrace. I'd sell him to someone really shit to teach him a lesson.
is it not common knowledge he has?
is west brom a done deal?
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Judging by his withering post match interviews, it must be a scary dressing room for our players after a poor performance.
I think not.
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Obviously,we're in the serious brown stuff at present
I can't see massive investment imminent,hence the senior players have to step up to the mark asap.For us,the club and ultimately themselves,as professionals and men .Houllier appears to have created a downward spiral,that even if he manages to pull us up by our coattails over the next few weeks,will ultimately leave him in an eternal fragile position.As alluded earlier,he hasn't a great deal of goodwill credit.
What'll really matter,I feel ,is the result against Sunderland.A must win .
U
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i've been supporting the villa since 77, my 1st post on this forum is to say i have never ever seen a performance of that calibre as i witnessed today .............................. The management and players did'nt represent Aston Villa in the manner in which our great club deserves, that is all i have to say.
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That's a bloke who hasn't any answers and has given up. I actually pity him now, he's clearly waiting to walk around Randy's rose garden.
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Im really depressed to be a Villan at the moment. Knowing you are about to get a pasting before kick off really says it all about the state of the team.
We have the very real possibilty of being relegated at the moment - 2 points off the bottom 3 with reigning champions (last time was 7-1) next up. It just gets worse.
I dont like Houllier at all. Before todays game I was prepared to be patient for the January window because we've had a bad run with injuries and he has to bring in his own players, however I was appalled at todays performance which is hinting there could be some kind of mutiny in the ranks or the motivation / tactics the players are just not responding to.
We sack the manager and who do we turn to ? Big Sam - bleedin hell, it would take me a week to dry the mattress.
Curbs? oh goody lets be the next Charlton.
Martin Jol? Possible. I think we should stick for a bit longer before twisting.
I think he simply has to play 10 behind the ball for the next 3 games - just to get some points on board or avoid defeat however you look at it. Then buy a couple of players to stem the tide - ideally a replacement for Warnock and a striker.
For Chelsea:
Guzan
Lichaj Cuellar Collins Warnock
NRC
Bannan Petrov Delph
Albrigtton
Gabby
That team should be capable of getting a 0-0 and then we build from there (I hope).
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i've been supporting the villa since 77, my 1st post on this forum is to say i have never ever seen a performance of that calibre as i witnessed today .............................. The management and players did'nt represent Aston Villa in the manner in which our great club deserves, that is all i have to say.
Did you miss the Liverpool and Newcastle games earlier in the season and the Chelsea game last year?
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Ta, a disgrace. I'd sell him to someone really shit to teach him a lesson.
To be fair to him, he went back to Norway and couldn't get back in time because of the snow. Not defending the chap because he's gradually burning his bridges here but it does seem to be a fair explanation.
Whether we believe him or not is a different matter!
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i've been supporting the villa since 77, my 1st post on this forum is to say i have never ever seen a performance of that calibre as i witnessed today .............................. The management and players did'nt represent Aston Villa in the manner in which our great club deserves, that is all i have to say.
Not since Liverpool a few weeks ago
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Ta, a disgrace. I'd sell him to someone really shit to teach him a lesson.
To be fair to him, he went back to Norway and couldn't get back in time because of the snow. Not defending the chap because he's gradually burning his bridges here but it does seem to be a fair explanation.
Whether we believe him or not is a different matter!
What abotu then telling the manager, when he did get back, that he didn't feel fit?
What's he been doing over there? He was only over there a few days.
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Ta, a disgrace. I'd sell him to someone really shit to teach him a lesson.
To be fair to him, he went back to Norway and couldn't get back in time because of the snow. Not defending the chap because he's gradually burning his bridges here but it does seem to be a fair explanation.
Whether we believe him or not is a different matter!
I have had Norwegians staying in my house for the last week, they had no problem getting here.
Oh, and they all think he is an arsehole.
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Carew's not fit. He's not fit to ever wear our shirt again. The quicker he fucks off the better. Coming back late and telling the manager he's not fit? What an arsehole.
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i've been supporting the villa since 77, my 1st post on this forum is to say i have never ever seen a performance of that calibre as i witnessed today .............................. The management and players did'nt represent Aston Villa in the manner in which our great club deserves, that is all i have to say.
Did you miss the Liverpool and Newcastle games earlier in the season and the Chelsea game last year?
No i seen them its just that i was probably in my naievity expecting a response from the team @ management :(
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I don't think it's right for Houllier to reveal that sort of stuff in an interview. Looking for scapegoats. He's the fecking manager.
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i've been supporting the villa since 77, my 1st post on this forum is to say i have never ever seen a performance of that calibre as i witnessed today .............................. The management and players did'nt represent Aston Villa in the manner in which our great club deserves, that is all i have to say.
Did you miss the Liverpool and Newcastle games earlier in the season and the Chelsea game last year?
No i seen them its just that i was probably in my naievity expecting a response from the team @ management :(
Keep the faith fella. The lion will roar again!
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Im really depressed to be a Villan at the moment. Knowing you are about to get a pasting before kick off really says it all about the state of the team.
We have the very real possibilty of being relegated at the moment - 2 points off the bottom 3 with reigning champions (last time was 7-1) next up. It just gets worse.
I dont like Houllier at all. Before todays game I was prepared to be patient for the January window because we've had a bad run with injuries and he has to bring in his own players, however I was appalled at todays performance which is hinting there could be some kind of mutiny in the ranks or the motivation / tactics the players are just not responding to.
We sack the manager and who do we turn to ? Big Sam - bleedin hell, it would take me a week to dry the mattress.
Curbs? oh goody lets be the next Charlton.
Martin Jol? Possible. I think we should stick for a bit longer before twisting.
I think he simply has to play 10 behind the ball for the next 3 games - just to get some points on board or avoid defeat however you look at it. Then buy a couple of players to stem the tide - ideally a replacement for Warnock and a striker.
For Chelsea:
Guzan
Lichaj Cuellar Collins Warnock
NRC
Bannan Petrov Delph
Albrigtton
Gabby
That team should be capable of getting a 0-0 and then we build from there (I hope).
Agreed. I don't care if we just park the bus and play ultra negative football against Chelsea in the hope of getting a point which will stop the rot (for the time being) and it might give some confidence into the Sunderland game.
I thought the win against West Brom would be a turning point but it shows it hasn't been. After winning a game why do we always lose the next few games and play awful? No consistency at all.
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Houllier looks a beaten man, if he hasn't got the fight in his belly how is he expected to get fight out of his players? He sat on the bench dithering with the cold whilst McCallister shook his head. There is no leadership from the top, and maybe we need to include Randy Lerner in that also. When your in a relegation fight you need to scrap for points, I can't see any scrappers in our side, only souvenir shirt hunters.
I'm sick of the "We need to work harder", "We need to pull our socks up" from the players, start fucking doing it on the pitch you bunch of overpaid wankers!! I'm sick of the likes of Paul Faulkner and The General telling us that our hard work will pay off. Undoubtable O'Neilll left us in the shit, but that is history, stop fucking moping about it and move on, since he has left us things have got worse and unless Lerner gets rid of this idiot in charge of the team and brings in someone who can organise this team and instill some fight we're going nowhere other than the championship.
I didn't expect to beat Man City, but what I do expect from any Aston Villa team is a manager that can send out his team with a game plan, with them being organised and to show some fight for the shirt they are wearing and the fans they are playing for. This is NOT happening under the manager we have and ultimately he is responsible.
GET RID NOW.
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Nothing changes - we're shit year after year at Citeh. 9 trips to Eastlands and 8 crap defeats.
Last season at Citeh we conceded a penalty and were all over the place defensively when Adebayor scored. They tore us apart down our left through Adam Johnson. Had all the possession 2nd half but couldn't muster an equaliser then they broke and scored again
The season before Wright Phillips ripped us apart first half down our left and we trailed to a penalty at half-time. Second half we had all the play then they broke and scored again.
Today we lost to two pens, a goal where the ball never crossed the line, and a goal blatantly offside. This time it was mainly Silva we couldn't handle, although Johnson again showed us up down our left. Second half we were better and at least played tidy football without getting anywhere near scoring, apart from one chance at the end.
If when we go there next year we've nicked their best two players to warm our bench, spent a zillion petrodollars on players, and STILL lose... it'll then begin to annoy me a tad.
Life goes on.
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To be fair I agree Gary. Anybody who has ever expected anything positive from Man City is a fool.
True
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I'm sick of the "We need to work harder", "We need to pull our socks up" from the players, start fucking doing it on the pitch you bunch of overpaid wankers!! I'm sick of the likes of Paul Faulkner and The General telling us that our hard work will pay off.
Yep. It's all well and good coming on an internet message board saying the players are trying hard, we're working really hard at the training ground... but the reality is that none of that is being shown on the pitch. We should just do our talking on the pitch then say we've been working hard etc...
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On the way 2 manchester 2day talkin in the car be4 the game all in the car expected to get beat about 5-0
i wouldnt mind getting beat in a game if the team turned up, but same old villa didnt turn up.
we are 15th in the table and chelsea on sunday and u have 2 reli think 2 urself where do we go from ere, i reli think it comes from the top gh has been out of the game for a long time and the game has changed alot since he been away? yes people say that it is not his team and yes its still o'neils team except from milner.
but when a manger comes in and you have a arguement with richard dunne and john carew and that is 2 player we know about then u have problems in the camp
Then a few weeks ago a training ground bust up? he has lost the dressing room and once u have lost that ur in trouble
then we go to anfield then gh is touchin the liverpool badge signing autographs for liverpool fans? and not even bother with the villa fans.
I think the time has come for a change maybe big sam used to working with not much money and used to scrappin (not pritty football i know) but we r in a relegation fight or soon will be and he used to prem
or matin jol who would also be a risk,
but reli nobody else i can think of but all i know is gh must go sooner rather than later
we have time to turn it around now leave it 2 long we will be going to coventry next season
Up the Villa
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I think people will accept losing as long as there is a little more fight, effort and pride.
That's the difference.
That sums it up perfectly!
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Oh goodie. Now SHA have equalized with a handball offside goal to go above Villa in the league. Merry Christmas, one and all.
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Brad had his hands on his head. Warnock gave the away fans a snidey look, the jibbing Scouse twat. Pires and The Fonz clapped the fans- the rest were more interested in swapping shirts.
I was just about to post exactly that. The miserable bastards. I feel better for having said that. Now, where's the prozac?
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Oh goodie. Now SHA have equalized with a handball offside goal to go above Villa in the league. Merry Christmas, one and all.
Still below.
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Thanks heavens for negligible mercies.
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Brad had his hands on his head. Warnock gave the away fans a snidey look, the jibbing Scouse twat. Pires and The Fonz clapped the fans- the rest were more interested in swapping shirts.
That I do not understand. Assuming it was our players after their shirts and not the other way round a disgarceful act of arse licking. Did they not remember that those players had just corked a pineapple up their bum hole and kicked it for good measure to ensure it was well rammed?
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Can anyone who went confirm that fans were chanting 'fuck off houillier' at the manager as some people are saying they heard it on the radio?
Some were singing “Fuck off Houllier- the Villa is ours”.
As I said on a previous page, fighting amongst Villa fans. Very Blackburn esque under Brian Little.
There was a lot of anti Houllier singing around where we were, lower tier, right hand side of the goal.
I didn't see any fights but have heard about one. There was a verbal set to behind us late in the second half which I thought was going to turn into a fight.
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Just got back. Thanks for that delay Arriva trains Wales. Without looking through the thread, I wonder if anyone has pointed out that we were bloody awful yet..
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I absolutely ashamed of my club right now .... ffs Lerner say something to the fans - you're as gutless as the team - I find your ignorance insulting!!
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I'm not ashamed of the Villa and never will be.
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Can anyone who went confirm that fans were chanting 'fuck off houillier' at the manager as some people are saying they heard it on the radio?
Some were singing “Fuck off Houllier- the Villa is ours”.
As I said on a previous page, fighting amongst Villa fans. Very Blackburn esque under Brian Little.
There was a lot of anti Houllier singing around where we were, lower tier, right hand side of the goal.
I didn't see any fights but have heard about one. There was a verbal set to behind us late in the second half which I thought was going to turn into a fight.
We were right hand side of the goal as well and yes, there were a few 'Fuck Off Houiller' songs. It was all embarrasing really. Lots of ironic cheers when we made more than two passes, a few 'let's all pretend we've scored a goal' chants etc. I'm sure it was meant in jest and to make the pain a bit easier to bear, but it still was'nt pleasant.
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On the way 2 manchester 2day talkin in the car be4 the game all in the car expected to get beat about 5-0
i wouldnt mind getting beat in a game if the team turned up, but same old villa didnt turn up.
we are 15th in the table and chelsea on sunday and u have 2 reli think 2 urself where do we go from ere, i reli think it comes from the top gh has been out of the game for a long time and the game has changed alot since he been away? yes people say that it is not his team and yes its still o'neils team except from milner.
but when a manger comes in and you have a arguement with richard dunne and john carew and that is 2 player we know about then u have problems in the camp
Then a few weeks ago a training ground bust up? he has lost the dressing room and once u have lost that ur in trouble
then we go to anfield then gh is touchin the liverpool badge signing autographs for liverpool fans? and not even bother with the villa fans.
I think the time has come for a change maybe big sam used to working with not much money and used to scrappin (not pritty football i know) but we r in a relegation fight or soon will be and he used to prem
or matin jol who would also be a risk,
but reli nobody else i can think of but all i know is gh must go sooner rather than later
we have time to turn it around now leave it 2 long we will be going to coventry next season
Up the Villa
Hello
That's probably a decent post, but it is ruined by the text speak, which is against the site policy.
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TO all you INCOMPETENT PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALLERS who represented The VILLA today...it's over 5 hours since the game finished and my blood is still boiling.
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I'm not ashamed of the Villa and never will be.
seconded
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right Tin Hat time
Houllier has failed to motivate the players, alienated the supporters and looks like a french soldier who's been told war has been declared.
Sorry Monsuir time to go
Welcome to Villa Park......................Neil Warnock
At least the players would work for each other
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right Tin Hat time
Welcome to Villa Park......................Neil Warnock
At least the players would work for each other
Respect that it's you opinion but a really crazy one.
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At the very least Warnock would make sure the players gave their all. GH simply can't do that...there's no respect, no desire. At the very least someone wearing our shirt should give it 100% and they're not. That is the fault of the manager.
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Takes a deep breath. Did anyone seriously expect anything out of this game or Chelsea for that matter, the amount of vitriol and hand wringing is over the top big time. We are a team in transition that have many players coming back from long term injuries and have run in to a succession of top teams. Many are blaming the manager and i read he has lost the players, what gives them the right to choose whether to play for him or not? maybe these are the players that need getting rid of, any player that does not give his all in every game no matter who the manager is i don't want wearing the shirt. I will hold fire until i see who he brings in and when we are being beaten by the Blackburns and wolves of the division. From the day that Oneill walked out this season was always going to be a write off, the long term injuries just made the situation worse.
Spot on.
Agree with what you say but there are enough experienced players on show who should have enough self respect to at least show a modicum of care about to club and fans. I didn't expect anything from the game but i did expect fight, desire and determination as a given. Those attributes should be in every players game regardless of the manager.
We desperately need a leader on the pitch that too is very evident. Oh for a Roy Keane. I'd even settle for a Craig Gardner type.
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I would never be ashamed to be Villa but right now its getting embarising to watch and hurting me deeply - more than the players it seems
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Have just seen the post match interview.
Houllier looks as if he is considering giving up - he just wasn't keen to be there - almost as if he had handed in his resignation letter already.
I was of the opnion that he was here and we'd better get on with it and support him.
I was hoping that with the return of the injured and a few decent signings in January,we would start picking up. I tried to ride it out but now have no confidence that things will turn around under this guy.
Randy Lerner has had no problem with sacking head coaches at Cleveland - sometimes you just got to own up and say you made a mistake - act now Mr.Lerner,before it's too late.
The potential candidates do not fill me with much optimism either,but the thought of Houllier wasting more club money in January fills me with dread...
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When you make a mistake don't compound it by throwing millions at it, which he'll have to do in January in GH stays.
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What an appalling day
I'm off to bed now
I hope to wake to find houllier has gone
Nite x
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That tosser isn't going anywhere. Unless the players do a Leeds - clough meeting with randy we are stuck with that French fucker for a while and I am scared as to what shite he buys in jan
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On a slightly different note, what was that insane backwards dance the Man City fans were doing today?
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They were "doing the poznan" who did at citeh in the Europa earlier in the season.
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They were "doing the poznan" who did at citeh in the Europa earlier in the season.
Oh i see. So the person standing next to me who confidently claimed they it was a pro Malcolm Glazer dance was in fact lying?
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When you make a mistake don't compound it by throwing millions at it, which he'll have to do in January in GH stays.
I think there is a case for telling GH no money in Jan. Your task is keep us in the PL this season and we will assess how much you get based on results from now on.
If GH can not move us away from relegation battle with the current squad than he is not good enough to be trusted with any money.
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I would love to see a 'Pro Malcolm Glazer Dance'. They say the movement of the human form is civilisation's most subtle language, but fucking hell. That's even better than the 'Swales Out' mass ukelele solo protest of 1988
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Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to offer up a dance to symbolise the majesty of the ginger God Bernie Gallagher.
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Only if you devise a piece of performance art in homage to Kevin Poole
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I don't think throwing money at the squad is the first step.
We should look at working hard to organise and restore what was a very good defence so thet we stop conceding silly goals.
That's the basis on which you should build any team.
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I said that I would come on and give you a City fans perspective win,lose or draw.
Firstly I want to say that the Villa fans at the game today were brilliant, lots of gallows humour, and they sang their hearts out, we had a good drink with a few in the "Townley". The best away fan experience so far this season in there.
The match itself, well I enjoyed it!
City started with so many changes, we thought that the Villa boys would think, what no Tevez, but we started in a blistering style. Only Downing and Bannan seemed interested , with DeJong being made captain for the day, he was everywhere which nullified both of them. Adam Johnson also was always going to be all over Downing to prove something from their Middlesboro days.
It was all very easy, due to your boys not turning up and I have to say we could have scored a lot more, it's not often I am bored with 25 minutes to go when we're 4-0 up and taking off all our better players and replacing them with what we now see as reserves.
This is shit to write because I have always liked The Villa, yes I want to win, but could name a lot of teams that I would rather us do a number on.
Villa team today was shocking;
I think Bannan has got something about him. he tried his heart out and one day will be a player
Albrighton was left on his own, either side of the pitch he played on, if the fullbacks don't support you then Zabbaletta or Richards will and they did
Agbonlahor worked his tits off with zero reward, on his own up front, he had no chance against Lescott and the incomparable Kompany.
I found Villa today had a total lack of confidence, no leaders on the pitch and no direction from the bench.
Good luck for the rest of the season, There are definetly 3 teams worse than you so don't worry about relegation and if the fans who were at Eastlands today are anything to go by, no problems.
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I am no knee-jerk merchant. It is quite clear that this is all going horribly wrong. There is quite obviously a serious problem with the way the football side id being managed. This needs to be resolved quickly.The stench of relegation looms.
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When you make a mistake don't compound it by throwing millions at it, which he'll have to do in January in GH stays.
I think there is a case for telling GH no money in Jan. Your task is keep us in the PL this season and we will assess how much you get based on results from now on.
If GH can not move us away from relegation battle with the current squad than he is not good enough to be trusted with any money.
I had to read this twice to make sure that I hadn't misread it.
Are you serious? The squad is clearly short in some major positions but you would rather test the ability of the manager rather than improving the strength of the club and moving on.
Fair enough if you do not think GH is good enough. If so, get rid of him now, not set him a test in management skills.
If GH still has a job next week, he should be given money to spend. Randy either backs him or sacks him, there is no in between.
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what manager is going to get that shower to play for them what insentive can he offer. Most know they are in the last chance saloon and were thankful for Mon's generosity. Him quitting, walking out, running away leaves them in the same position the crowd he left at Celtic were in. They like we will have to, took a hit and still have not found enough to finance a total rebuild.
To do so in the Prem will be harder, much harder. Too many hangers on and not enough quality experience to help the kids. If Tsvet,s insider knowledge is right, there's no chance Randy will refinance the squad, so its a no win situation and no manager can sort that in under 6 months.
Sack who u like I'm not impressed with Houllier, but I seriously can't see anyone else doing anything with the shit Mon left, short term.
Didn't he leave Celtic to look after his sick wife?
And didn't they win the title the season after he left?
Possibly (can't be arsed to check), but they also won it 3 times in 5 years while he was the manager there.
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I said that I would come on and give you a City fans perspective win,lose or draw.
Firstly I want to say that the Villa fans at the game today were brilliant, lots of gallows humour, and they sang their hearts out, we had a good drink with a few in the "Townley". The best away fan experience so far this season in there.
The match itself, well I enjoyed it!
City started with so many changes, we thought that the Villa boys would think, what no Tevez, but we started in a blistering style. Only Downing and Bannan seemed interested , with DeJong being made captain for the day, he was everywhere which nullified both of them. Adam Johnson also was always going to be all over Downing to prove something from their Middlesboro days.
It was all very easy, due to your boys not turning up and I have to say we could have scored a lot more, it's not often I am bored with 25 minutes to go when we're 4-0 up and taking off all our better players and replacing them with what we now see as reserves.
This is shit to write because I have always liked The Villa, yes I want to win, but could name a lot of teams that I would rather us do a number on.
Villa team today was shocking;
I think Bannan has got something about him. he tried his heart out and one day will be a player
Albrighton was left on his own, either side of the pitch he played on, if the fullbacks don't support you then Zabbaletta or Richards will and they did
Agbonlahor worked his tits off with zero reward, on his own up front, he had no chance against Lescott and the incomparable Kompany.
I found Villa today had a total lack of confidence, no leaders on the pitch and no direction from the bench.
Good luck for the rest of the season, There are definetly 3 teams worse than you so don't worry about relegation and if the fans who were at Eastlands today are anything to go by, no problems.
Thanks for the kind comments Mr City fan. I'm still fucking angry at that gutless performance. It's the worst display I've seen from a Villa team in a long time (luckily I missed the Redscouse game) and if we continue to play like today, relegation is a certainty.
I fucking hate football, it ruins my life.
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Hard to know how to react to a considerate City fan, the condescending *&%$!
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Just got back. They were much better technically. Our players are not good enough although I was in the players lounge after the game and the vibe from our players was not good. Bannan was straight into the lobby looking glum. Petrov had a face like thunder and was on his own away from the rest of them. We need a big clearout because the players we have just cannot play possession football. City had a team full of players that can take the ball in tight situations, our players seem to panic and lump it.
Karl would you say the players were unhappy because of the result? I.e. did it seem like they cared or did they come out happy and not bothered?
They definitely looked pissed off because of the result, there was no laughing and joking. There was just a weird vibe amongst the players.
Wouldn't you have been pissed-off if they had all been laughing and joking? Maybe a bout of self-reflection will make them wake up a bit.
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Imagine the reaction to this situation if Ellis was still in charge!
There would be Ellis out march along Trinity Road, banners all around the ground and the Hereos and Villians would be filled with all the bile and anger it could carry.
However as Randy et al are still sort of basking in the last few years sunlight we have no real focus for our anger.
Randy appointed Mr Frenchscouse [and it has been a disaster] his managerial record would have got any manager the sack.
Randy needs to face up to the fact that it was a crap appointment and get rid. We need a battler at themoment, someone who can give the team some motivation and get them out of this relegation fight.
If we don't we are highly likely to repeat 1986/87
WE ARE NOT TO BIG TO GO DOWN
Just my thoughts
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Imagine the reaction to this situation if Ellis was still in charge!
There would be Ellis out march along Trinity Road, banners all around the ground and the Hereos and Villians would be filled with all the bile and anger it could carry.
However as Randy et al are still sort of basking in the last few years sunlight we have no real focus for our anger.
Randy appointed Mr Frenchscouse [and it has been a disaster] his managerial record would have got any manager the sack.
Randy needs to face up to the fact that it was a crap appointment and get rid. We need a battler at themoment, someone who can give the team some motivation and get them out of this relegation fight.
If we don't we are highly likely to repeat 1986/87
WE ARE NOT TO BIG TO GO DOWN
Just my thoughts
100% agree i,m just so dissapointed this morming my mood hasnt lifted at all :(
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Amongst all the hysteria, hand wringing and gnashing of teeth, here is an alternative view.
Since GH joined us we have experienced what many have said is the worst injury situation in the club's history. Because we have also had some senior players who for reasons best known to themselves "can't be arsed" (Dunne, Carew, Ireland....) we have been forced to field players who have been largely untried reserves most of whom have come up through the youth system and in all fairness have performed brilliantly. But it is a big step up to the Premier League and for all their youthful skill and endeavours they are not the finished article and right now lack the experience needed to be sufficiently successful at this level. I'm sure that many of the current crop of youngsters will, in time, progress to great things, but in the meantime, games have been lost, points dropped and the fabled bottom three has come into sight.
The injury situation has at last now eased, with the return of players such as Petrov and Delph, but players who have been sidelined through long term injuries take time to recover their form. It takes games. There is no alternative.
What has resulted from these circumstances is a loss of belief in themselves that was so evident yesterday. A soft penalty and it's "Oh no here we go again." and a ball cleared off the line given as a goal without even a token protest. Clearly, what is needed now is to rebuild the team's confidence. These are not bad players and neither is the manager a bad manager. It's a tough thing to do, but right now they desperately need all the support they can get. Isn't that what supporters are for?
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I agree with E I, we've just got to tough it out at the moment - it will change
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Amongst all the hysteria, hand wringing and gnashing of teeth, here is an alternative view.
Since GH joined us we have experienced what many have said is the worst injury situation in the club's history. Because we have also had some senior players who for reasons best known to themselves "can't be arsed" (Dunne, Carew, Ireland....) we have been forced to field players who have been largely untried reserves most of whom have come up through the youth system and in all fairness have performed brilliantly. But it is a big step up to the Premier League and for all their youthful skill and endeavours they are not the finished article and right now lack the experience needed to be sufficiently successful at this level. I'm sure that many of the current crop of youngsters will, in time, progress to great things, but in the meantime, games have been lost, points dropped and the fabled bottom three has come into sight.
The injury situation has at last now eased, with the return of players such as Petrov and Delph, but players who have been sidelined through long term injuries take time to recover their form. It takes games. There is no alternative.
What has resulted from these circumstances is a loss of belief in themselves that was so evident yesterday. A soft penalty and it's "Oh no here we go again." and a ball cleared off the line given as a goal without even a token protest. Clearly, what is needed now is to rebuild the team's confidence. These are not bad players and neither is the manager a bad manager. It's a tough thing to do, but right now they desperately need all the support they can get. Isn't that what supporters are for?
I think you are missing the point with the fans anger. Why should we support that? We've turned up and just rolled over and died, again. We have injuries etc but that's no excuse for not trying.
Surely Houllier should be able to motivate these so called 'reserve' players even more and tell them to take their chance, no? Watch his interview after the Man City game, is that bloke going to inspire anyone? Does he really want to be here?
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predictably depressing...
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Can someone in the know please explain to me what the craze to swap shirts is all about!!
do they have so much disrespect for the Claret & Blue shirts that as soon as the final whistle blows they have to get rid??
them shirts which any 1 of us would wear so proudly---should have been given to the travelling fans who once again gave great support whilst enduring yet another shocking display by our Boyz In Claret &Blue (ok black yesterday but you get my drift)
i gues i am old fashioned but i findthis trend to get souvenirs from someone who has just thumped you quite appaling--i guess it just fuels the fire that they dont give a tinkers cuss about our feelings or the final score,
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Delph is a spiky little fucker isn't he, one of the few the defeat seemed to hurt. Nice little battle between him and Milner for the last few minutes.
I'd have been tempted to give him the armband, it might calm him down a bit. He's going to be some player, probably not for us though.
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Amongst all the hysteria, hand wringing and gnashing of teeth, here is an alternative view.
Since GH joined us we have experienced what many have said is the worst injury situation in the club's history. Because we have also had some senior players who for reasons best known to themselves "can't be arsed" (Dunne, Carew, Ireland....) we have been forced to field players who have been largely untried reserves most of whom have come up through the youth system and in all fairness have performed brilliantly. But it is a big step up to the Premier League and for all their youthful skill and endeavours they are not the finished article and right now lack the experience needed to be sufficiently successful at this level. I'm sure that many of the current crop of youngsters will, in time, progress to great things, but in the meantime, games have been lost, points dropped and the fabled bottom three has come into sight.
The injury situation has at last now eased, with the return of players such as Petrov and Delph, but players who have been sidelined through long term injuries take time to recover their form. It takes games. There is no alternative.
What has resulted from these circumstances is a loss of belief in themselves that was so evident yesterday. A soft penalty and it's "Oh no here we go again." and a ball cleared off the line given as a goal without even a token protest. Clearly, what is needed now is to rebuild the team's confidence. These are not bad players and neither is the manager a bad manager. It's a tough thing to do, but right now they desperately need all the support they can get. Isn't that what supporters are for?
I think you are missing the point with the fans anger. Why should we support that? We've turned up and just rolled over and died, again. We have injuries etc but that's no excuse for not trying.
Surely Houllier should be able to motivate these so called 'reserve' players even more and tell them to take their chance, no? Watch his interview after the Man City game, is that bloke going to inspire anyone? Does he really want to be here?
My point is that a very unusual set of circumstances, starting with MON's departure, has resulted in a very demoralised and demotivated team. I don't believe that crying "ain't it awful - sack the lot of 'em" is of any help, when that would clearly not improve the situation.
I thought that supporting a team was a way of encouraging and motivating the team to play better, achieve more, score more goals and win games. It's not always an easy ride, but if you're not a supporter, you're just a spectator.
Right now they need all the support they can get.
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I still can't get over how bad we are, we just didn't compete anywhere on the pitch and they left Teves on the bench i was going to give Houllier time but now i'm not too sure.
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Not one of our players ventured over the half way line at the final whistle
to acknowledge the travveling support,the vast majority of which had stayed
to the bitter end. Having said that if Warnock had come within reach I reckon
he would have been 'strung up' for his contribution to our demise (he wasn't
alone)
No doubt the players, and management overheard some of the 'gallows humour'
and stronger language thrown in the their direction - how they react will go along
way to determining the club's demise between now and May -
I'd like to believe it will give them the kick up the proverbial and prove to be positive
with players, management team and even Mr Lerner taking a long look in the mirror
and being able to say they are doing enough to reverse the slide downwards -
The possibility of relegation is real, unless all involved pull in the same direction it
will be a probability.
I've retained my Wigan ticket for the re-arranged match and will be starting off
on the annual road to Wembley at Bramall Lane full of optimism (but it's days like
yesterday that make you wonder if it's worth the heartache)
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Here's a strange one - decided to take my 8 year old to his first away game today and just got some tickets for Chelsea on Sunday. Must be mad.
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shit!!!!!!!!!
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Not one of our players ventured over the half way line at the final whistle
to acknowledge the travveling support,the vast majority of which had stayed
to the bitter end. Having said that if Warnock had come within reach I reckon
he would have been 'strung up' for his contribution to our demise (he wasn't
alone)
No doubt the players, and management overheard some of the 'gallows humour'
and stronger language thrown in the their direction - how they react will go along
way to determining the club's demise between now and May -
I'd like to believe it will give them the kick up the proverbial and prove to be positive
with players, management team and even Mr Lerner taking a long look in the mirror
and being able to say they are doing enough to reverse the slide downwards -
The possibility of relegation is real, unless all involved pull in the same direction it
will be a probability.
I've retained my Wigan ticket for the re-arranged match and will be starting off
on the annual road to Wembley at Bramall Lane full of optimism (but it's days like
yesterday that make you wonder if it's worth the heartache)
Actually Pires and Delfuonso did venture over the half way line but were met with a barrage of boos and applause and didn't venture further than the centre circle. The rest of them were probably too embarrased.
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Amongst all the hysteria, hand wringing and gnashing of teeth, here is an alternative view.
Since GH joined us we have experienced what many have said is the worst injury situation in the club's history. Because we have also had some senior players who for reasons best known to themselves "can't be arsed" (Dunne, Carew, Ireland....) we have been forced to field players who have been largely untried reserves most of whom have come up through the youth system and in all fairness have performed brilliantly. But it is a big step up to the Premier League and for all their youthful skill and endeavours they are not the finished article and right now lack the experience needed to be sufficiently successful at this level. I'm sure that many of the current crop of youngsters will, in time, progress to great things, but in the meantime, games have been lost, points dropped and the fabled bottom three has come into sight.
The injury situation has at last now eased, with the return of players such as Petrov and Delph, but players who have been sidelined through long term injuries take time to recover their form. It takes games. There is no alternative.
What has resulted from these circumstances is a loss of belief in themselves that was so evident yesterday. A soft penalty and it's "Oh no here we go again." and a ball cleared off the line given as a goal without even a token protest. Clearly, what is needed now is to rebuild the team's confidence. These are not bad players and neither is the manager a bad manager. It's a tough thing to do, but right now they desperately need all the support they can get. Isn't that what supporters are for?
Well said, thoroughly agree. The role of supporters is to support. there appear to my eye anyway, be too many people who want to take the easy option and slag the team off ( not difficult after yesterdays disgrace) but we are the guardians of the spirit of the club and I'm pretty sure our forebears would have met disappointments with more gumption and spirit than the current behaviour we're displaying. What was it John Gregory said to that supporter in a letter
"Stop moaning, get down the match and support the team"