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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: eastie on December 23, 2010, 01:40:14 PM
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http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/james-nursey/James-Nursey-column-Why-I-think-Aston-Villa-will-sell-Liverpool-and-Manchester-United-target-Ashley-Young-next-month-article656039.html
scare mongerer? or is there maybe some truth in this story?
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Its the Mirror, what do you think?
Is it me or is Nursey really sticking the knife in at the moment? The c***.
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Although he did say mon would leave just before he walked out and it seems strange ash has moved back down south-if he isn't going to sign a new deal then the longer he stays the less his transfer value would be - similar to Barry and milner - i think he will go in janaury but only at the right price which I would expect to be around £15m.
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Its the Mirror, what do you think?
Is it me or is Nursey really sticking the knife in at the moment? The c***.
It appears that way, doesn't it?!
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If Ash wants out, then flog him. I don't want any players holding our club to ransom. Fuck 'em off.
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I think he wants to go, he's playing for a move.
I'd sell him this January if someone offered £20m for him.
I prefer Albrighon & Downing on the wings & if we sign a good striker I think we'd be a better team.
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The thing is Ash was a great left winger for us. Goals, assists and generally very good performances. The main issue for me is that since has has moved more central, the team has lost the main benefits of Ashley Young, there have been flashes but the Ash of two seasons ago is gone.
The fact he is running his contract down shows that he is edging towards the door, we need to make sure it is on terms acceptable to the club and if that means selling in Jan then so be it. IMO out wide we are in decent shape and I just think we would be stronger as a team if the player in the second/withdrawn striker role was more of a goal threat.
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The thing is Ash was a great left winger for us. Goals, assists and generally very good performances. The main issue for me is that since has has moved more central, the team has lost the main benefits of Ashley Young, there have been flashes but the Ash of two seasons ago is gone.
The fact he is running his contract down shows that he is edging towards the door, we need to make sure it is on terms acceptable to the club and if that means selling in Jan then so be it. IMO out wide we are in decent shape and I just think we would be stronger as a team if the player in the second/withdrawn striker role was more of a goal threat.
totally agree!
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I hope it is just like the Barry saga, because we improved after he went.
I think Albrighton and Downing are top wingers, Ash can go but he won't have the freedom he has here, playing as a non-scoring striker.
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If he wants out let him go for a decent price. My only concern would be cover for Albrighton & Downing, particularly the former who might find a first full season tough going towards the end. Possibly that's where the link with Bentley has come from. For those who would know better, can Bannan play out wide?
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he can, but he is not as effective out there...
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Doesn't his body language recently suggest he wants out too. Please just not to Tottenham!
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It's Nursey in the Mirror for fuck sake.
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Sandman do you really think ash will sign a new contract and stay? I don't think for one second that he will do, whoever reports it!I say nothing surprises me anymore in football but I would be absolutely astonished if Ashley young was to sign a new contract!
The fact that he would probably go to a top 5 club suggests we may be able to do a decent part exchange deal and maybe get one or two decent players as part of any deal.
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I think there is very little chance that he will do that but I think there is an equally if not even smaller chance we will flog him in January even though I wouldn't be that upset if we did .
In the summer however he will leave, for Spurs or Liverpool probably.
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Has any body left villa and done better since Dwight Yorke? (academy players like Cahill excluded)
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This bloke is a fucking prick
To be honest if Ash wants to go then fuck him byeeeee
Same goes for the rest of them
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The only people that will more of this than it probably is, is us.
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Has any body left villa and done better since Dwight Yorke? (academy players like Cahill excluded)
Hitzlsperger?
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We either write off circa £15m + his wages over 18 months (£5m) or sell in Jan to whoever for £15m
Randy's call I guess
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Has any body left villa and done better since Dwight Yorke? (academy players like Cahill excluded)
Hitzlsperger?
Milosevic?
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Define "Done Better" ?
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Barry obviously.
Finished above us last year, played in a World Cup and looks likely to finish in a Champions League spot this season.
Even if his form has been a bit poor.
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Barry obviously.
Finished above us last year, played in a World Cup and looks likely to finish in a Champions League spot this season.
Even if his form has been a bit poor.
Listen I am probably more pro Barry than the average poster on this forum but I wonder if and when Man city do hit the Chumps league spots whether he'll be deemed surplus to requirements. Also I thought the world cup showed him up to be the pedestrian uninventive midfielder he now is.
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Barry obviously.
Finished above us last year, played in a World Cup and looks likely to finish in a Champions League spot this season.
Even if his form has been a bit poor.
Barry finished in Europa same as us and did not have too trips to wembley, so I'd argue he hasn't yet.
I'll change my question too has a player improved individually since leaving Villa?
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The worry here is that the team we started building in 2007 is falling apart. Barry , Milner and inevitably Young gone due to the fact that we did not have the financial muscle and managerial know how to buy better players to support them and kick on. This has happened before and will happen again with likes of Albrighton and Bannan in 3/4 years time unless we plan properly now.
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Has any body left villa and done better since Dwight Yorke? (academy players like Cahill excluded)
Hitzlsperger?
Milosevic?
Cascarino while in France at Marseille and later Nancy was brilliant.
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Has any body left villa and done better since Dwight Yorke? (academy players like Cahill excluded)
Hitzlsperger?
Milosevic?
Cascarino
Crouch?
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Has any body left villa and done better since Dwight Yorke? (academy players like Cahill excluded)
Hitzlsperger?
Milosevic?
Cascarino
Crouch?
Keown
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I don't think Spurs can offer much of a pay rise.
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Spurs may not offer him much different in wages but they can offer him a much better chance of playing at the highest level in the champions league and for England- plus he's a London lad .
Ash is a footballer and it's his job to better himself, he is not a villa fan and I don't think he would turn down a better offer if he gets it,Maybe with albrighton or gabby it is different as they are villa fans as well as players.
Personally I think Liverpool will be his destination unless man utd make a move for him.
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Its the Mirror, what do you think?
Is it me or is Nursey really sticking the knife in at the moment? The c***.
[/quohttp://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/james-nursey/James-Nursey-column-Why-I-think-Aston-Villa-will-sell-Liverpool-and-Manchester-United-target-Ashley-Young-next-month-article656039.html
scare mongerer? or is there maybe some truth in this story?
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Why am i beginning to think East 19 is actually James Nursey?
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Spurs may not offer him much different in wages but they can offer him a much better chance of playing at the highest level in the champions league and for England- plus he's a London lad .
Ash is a footballer and it's his job to better himself, he is not a villa fan and I don't think he would turn down a better offer if he gets it,Maybe with albrighton or gabby it is different as they are villa fans as well as players.
Personally I think Liverpool will be his destination unless man utd make a move for him.
What have Liverpool honestly got to offer him? Spurs maybe, but he'll be on the bench a lot of the time like Milner's finding out. Also, it's going to be very hard for either of those teams to be playing CL football next year, especially Liverpool. Spurs will likely have to win the thing, because they need to beat out Arsenal, Man City, Man U and Chelsea for an automatic spot. It's not going to be easy at all.
Plus, he's not a London lad at all. He's from Hertfordshire where I think he still lives. That's like saying someone's a Brummie but they're from Tipton.
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Nursey is a Bluenose. Well known factoid.
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Until we get into the champions league and attract top players we will always be liable to lose our best players to so called bigger clubs- this is where it's frustrating that we had a great chance to do that a couple of years ago and o neill screwed things up.
Now the money has in the main been wasted and we find ourselves starting to rebuild all over again- I feel houllier will be the right man but it will take time and patience.I am however very excited about the future under gerard and see him as giving us the bright future we all wish for.
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I don't want him to leave but who do you think will buy him Spurs who already have players in his position, Arsenal i can't see it, Chelsea maybe they need to freshen thing's up.
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I personnally think he'll go to Citeh tempted by "funny money"
Madness
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I personnally think he'll go to Citeh tempted by "funny money"
Madness
He'd take a circuitous route via Wales and Yorkshire, and end up overshooting into the Irish sea.
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I hope he doesn't go, and we do need to get some momentum as a club moving forward again.
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That Nursey's a right smug twat.
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Wikivilla , intersting theory on city- I would want Santa cruz and maybe lescott or Johnson in part exchange although we have had our fingers burnt already with taking Ireland from them.
Can't see city wanting ash to be honest- he hasn't been the same player as he was 2 yrs ago for quite some time now- that day at everton was my greatest memory of him , a wonderful moment in time.
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You know, I'm really beyond caring. Another of our better players wants to leave? So be it. Negotiate the best deal we can, don't accept any part-exchange cast-offs, and move on.
As it so happens, the Ashley Young we've had playing for us for most of the last twelve months or so won't be missed.
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Nursery is probably mates with Holt ( the MON cock sucker )
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Has any body left villa and done better since Dwight Yorke? (academy players like Cahill excluded)
Hitzlsperger?
Milosevic?
Cascarino
Crouch?
David Platt
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You know, I'm really beyond caring. Another of our better players wants to leave? So be it. Negotiate the best deal we can, don't accept any part-exchange cast-offs, and move on.
As it so happens, the Ashley Young we've had playing for us for most of the last twelve months or so won't be missed.
I think the games he hasn't played in over the last 12 months have shown that we do miss him when he isn't playing. He may not of captured his form from a couple of seasons ago but he does inject a lot of energy into the squad and is threatening.
I thought he also gave a great performance the other week when he was given the captains armband. I've said on other posts in the past, i'd want to see someone like Young have the armband perminantly as i think you want a captain to be someone to look towards when the game isnt quite going your way and you need that bit of inspiration. I think Bannan could be the captain of our club in the future too. But for the moment Young is that man you look at. You don't look at Dunne or Petrov and be inspired that they're going to grab a game by the scruff of the neck and drag the team to victory or be of such stature that no matter who they're up against nobody will get past them in defence. I would be gutted to see him go as i think he is a massive player for us. He may not quite be at his best at the moment but he is still the player you get up off your seat for when he's over the dead ball or running towards the defence because we know he can do it and will recapture the form we know he has.
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Has any body left villa and done better since Dwight Yorke? (academy players like Cahill excluded)
Hitzlsperger?
Milosevic?
Cascarino
Crouch?
David Platt
David James?
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Martin Keown.
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Has any body left villa and done better since Dwight Yorke? (academy players like Cahill excluded)
Hitzlsperger?
Milosevic?
Cascarino
Crouch?
David Platt
David James?
It depends what you mean by done better. Barry and Milner are playing for a title chasing club after leaving a team that are now in the bottom 6. Although they don't play every week , that is par for the course in a successful side.
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Great news.
Over-hyped, over-paid, over-acting, over-knee-grabbing, over-hitting, web-camming little oik.
If we get cover for Albrighton & Downing, we don't need him. The effect he has on the team is largely mental. If we sign someone to sit in 'the hole' who really understands that job, then he won't be missed at all.
Typical mercenary footballer. No loyalty, no shortage of wealth, no shortage of ego...bye bye.
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Houllier: Young won't go in January; still wants to try and sign him up for a long term deal (and makes the obligatory Liverpool reference)
Aston Villa will hold on to Ashley Young, says Gérard Houllier (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/dec/23/ashley-young-contract-aston-villa)
Gérard Houllier has confirmed Ashley Young will not be sold next month and that Aston Villa are giving serious consideration to forfeiting any transfer fee for the England international by making him see out the remainder of his contract.
Young, who has 18 months remaining on his deal, was on the verge of signing a new four-year contract in October. The improved deal would have given him a £500,000 annual pay rise and contained a clause that allowed him to leave Villa if a predetermined transfer fee was offered.
The former Watford player pulled out of signing at the last minute, however, and informed Villa he was not interested in returning to the negotiating table until the summer. With Manchester United, Liverpool and Tottenham Hotspur showing interest, Young's actions suggested he was keen to give himself the best possible chance of moving at the end of the season by reducing the fee Villa could demand for a player with only 12 months left on his contract.
Houllier, however, refuses to concede defeat and said he remains hopeful Young can be persuaded to stay when the two parties meet at the end of the season. He also confirmed the Guardian's story this week that should the player continue to refuse to sign a new deal, both he and Randy Lerner, the club's owner, are "brave" enough to hold the 25-year-old to his contract and sacrifice a transfer fee.
Houllier, who said Villa would change their stance only if offered "crazy money", drew parallels with the form Steve McManaman showed in his final 12 months at Liverpool as evidence of the value of keeping a player whose contract is running down. "Ashley won't go in January," Houllier said. "We are hoping we can keep him [in the long-term]. The club's will is to keep him.
" It would be brave to hang on to him [until the end of his contract] but I'm brave and I think Mr Lerner is too. I think it would be good to keep him. Steve McManaman went to Real Madrid, we [Liverpool] decided to keep him, but the offer he got was too big. He was fantastic in that remaining time. Sometimes it pays to hang on to players because you think you will finish in a better position."
Young, who remains a doubt for Tottenham's visit on Boxing Day after picking up a knee injury, has left a big impression on Houllier since he took over as manager in September. "He runs more miles than nearly every other player in games and the stats back that up. He's a match winner. He is strong and can withstand the physical side of things."
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Has any body left villa and done better since Dwight Yorke? (academy players like Cahill excluded)
Hitzlsperger?
Milosevic?
Cascarino
Crouch?
David Platt
David James?
It depends what you mean by done better. Barry and Milner are playing for a title chasing club after leaving a team that are now in the bottom 6. Although they don't play every week , that is par for the course in a successful side.
Can't have half of these players he said since Dwight Yorke :-)
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The most worrying thing is the claim that Robbie Keane in todays Telegraph is turning down West Ham and he wants to join us.
So if we lose Young and get a few million and Robbie Keane you know where we are heading.
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IF the report about ash wanting a clause in his contract letting him go for the right fee I'd get rid asap-we need players totally committed to Aston villa not with one eye on the door-how could we consider offering a huge rise and still leaving him a way out with such a clause!
Sign without a transfer clause or don't bother staying would be my message.
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Great news.
Over-hyped, over-paid, over-acting, over-knee-grabbing, over-hitting, web-camming little oik.
If we get cover for Albrighton & Downing, we don't need him. The effect he has on the team is largely mental. If we sign someone to sit in 'the hole' who really understands that job, then he won't be missed at all.
Typical mercenary footballer. No loyalty, no shortage of wealth, no shortage of ego...bye bye.
That's Stephen Ireland level insanity.
Young has left a big impression on Houllier since he took over as manager in September. "He runs more miles than nearly every other player in games and the stats back that up. He's a match winner. He is strong and can withstand the physical side of things."
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Houllier has said he wants to keep him but has also said recently once a player says he wants to leave a club he goes, I do not think he will be playing for the Villa next season.
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i would be more concerned if albrighton wanted to leave... the way young has regressed as a footballer since he started believing the hype, is criminal for a man of such talent...
he may run around a lot, but he also doesnt deliver a lot... and falls over a lot... and whinges... a lot...
a very talented player, but running around a lot while delivering next to nothing, makes him far from irreplaceable...
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i would be more concerned if albrighton wanted to leave... the way young has regressed as a footballer since he started believing the hype, is criminal for a man of such talent...
It's just a matter of time until some filty scum Agent gets his dirty little paws around him!
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I think if GH buys well in January, then the AY contract talks will be back on. We all want ambitious players at the club so it's no surprise that some express some disapproval at being in the lower half of the table.
Get things back on track and he'll hopefully stay. He's not actually said he wants to leave, has he (or have i missed something?).
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Two years ago ash was one of the best players in the league and priceless to us but he has not progressed and I think we have seen the best of him- maybe he marked out of games and teams nullify him but there is no doubt he has not been as good as he used to be.
If playing ash he must be used as a winger because he simply is not a good enough finisher to play in the middle- in albrighton we have a huge star in the making and ash leaving would not be the end of the world - we have lost better than him and moved onwards.
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Two years ago ash was one of the best players in the league and priceless to us but he has not progressed and I think we have seen the best of him- maybe he marked out of games and teams nullify him but there is no doubt he has not been as good as he used to be.
If playing ash he must be used as a winger because he simply is not a good enough finisher to play in the middle- in albrighton we have a huge star in the making and ash leaving would not be the end of the world - we have lost better than him and moved onwards.
Don't agree at all.
Our best performances this season have generally been when Ash has played as a second striker, the problem has been that due to the injury situation we've not been able to play a settled side and develop any consistency.
Our best performance under Houllier was against Manu with Downing and Albrighton wide and Ash in the middle (he won the penalty, scored it and also put the ball through to Downing for the second) but until the Baggies team we were unable to play those three again. When they are reunited we have another decent performance and win our first game in ages.
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Two years ago ash was one of the best players in the league and priceless to us but he has not progressed and I think we have seen the best of him- maybe he marked out of games and teams nullify him but there is no doubt he has not been as good as he used to be.
If playing ash he must be used as a winger because he simply is not a good enough finisher to play in the middle- in albrighton we have a huge star in the making and ash leaving would not be the end of the world - we have lost better than him and moved onwards.
Don't agree at all.
Our best performances this season have generally been when Ash has played as a second striker, the problem has been that due to the injury situation we've not been able to play a settled side and develop any consistency.
Our best performance under Houllier was against Manu with Downing and Albrighton wide and Ash in the middle (he won the penalty, scored it and also put the ball through to Downing for the second) but until the Baggies team we were unable to play those three again. When they are reunited we have another decent performance and win our first game in ages.
I'd agree with all that, and with Heskey back as well, we'll be even stronger. Him and Ash ran Spurs ragged in the first 20 mins at WHL until Emile had to go off. I'd still like to see another striker come in though
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I'm agreeing too, Ashley Young is one of our best creative players and I don't think he has regressed. If he does leave us then he will be missed immensely.
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I take your point chris but I don't feel ash is a natural finisher and alongside heskey or gabby there is not that clinical finisher that we are crying out for, by all means vary things and chase the game when we need to but we really need someone who is going to put chances away.
We have been crying out for years for a natural goalscorer and that's what I'd like to see playing off gabby or heskey- one thing about ash is his workrate is a credit to him and the likes of carew should be ashamed in comparison.
I agree that most of our best performances have been when albrighton and downing have been the wide men and that bodes well for the future if we do lose ash, but the chances created by some of our excellent wing play are not being converted into enough goals and it is for that reason I do not think ash is the man to play off the main striker.