Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: brontebilly on December 08, 2010, 09:03:48 AM
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I can handle poor performances, I can handle players going through a run of bad form. What I can't accept is players not giving everything they have once they step across the white lines. We have a few not giving it their all at the moment and the finger pointing, indisciplined rabble seen at Anfield is the net result. The ones I see in particular.
Richard Dunne- came back from pre season in diabolical condition. Does seem to care as much as last season.
James Collins - same as above. Professional footballers should not be overweight.
Stephen Warnock - a disgrace to the shirt. Quite frankly I cannot stand him. A pussy of the highest order and petulant to go with it. Should have been immediately replaced after his antics at Blackburn.
Stephen Ireland - needs to be told it's not u-12s he is playing. Luca Modric is the example. Follow it or fuck off.
Ashley Young - not signing a contract, finger pointing, diving, petulant little twerp. This is a side to his game that has developed in recent years. His game has stagnated a result.
Marc Albrighton - gave away free kick stupidly against Fulham that led to equalizing goal. Fair enough he is a kid and will learn. Then Warnock esque the last night he stupidly gives away another free kick that they nearly score from. The lack of discipline spreads like wildfire.
Stewart Downing - yes we know he is a creative player but we need every player giving his all when we don't have the ball. He still jumps out of every 50/50
Reo Coker - his captains performance in the derby was a disgrace. Some example to be setting trying to start a fight every five minutes.
John Carew - hasn't tried a leg all season.
Gabby - two utterly disgraceful performances against Blackburn and Liverpool where he didn't seem to give a shit and ambled around like Carew.
Luke Young - doesn't bother holding his position anymore just seems to do his own thing.
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i can agree with most but downing has done well and gabby has just come back yes dunne collins warnock all need to look in the mirror if there is one big enough for dunne but i think the problem lies with gh hes trying to make them play football from the back and i dont think they are capable of doing that
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You say Warnock should have been replaced after Blackburn, the big problem is that we have no left back to challenge him.
Hopefully Gerard will get somebody in, otherwise we'll have another Samuel scenario, plays shit every game but due to lack of competition, plays every game.
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That's you just listing players and things you dislike and has fuck all to do with discipline.
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I disagree with my learned colleague Chris here and can see where BB is coming from. Probably because I think the same way every time I watch the Villa about those facets of those particular players he picks out....
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Harsh on Albrighton too.
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I would hope GH will replace Dunne with Cuellar on saturday but that still leaves Warnock and Collins i just think they need to get there act together ASAP, as for Ireland i wouldn't put him near the first team at the moment but with the injuries we have got to we have no choice.
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I reccomend Prozac
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I agree with Chris. Of the players listed only Warnock is a problem. He is an experienced Premier League player, but he seems to cost us a goal a game on average -- most often because he loses his head.
Dunne is poor compared to last season, but the amount of criticism he gets on here is somewhat over the top. That said, he seems to be the kind of player who needs to be 100% fit and sharp to compete at Premier League level, and when he is, he is one of the best central defenders in the league. When he's not, his limitations is seriously exposed.
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Stephen Warnock - a disgrace to the shirt. Quite frankly I cannot stand him. A pussy of the highest order and petulant to go with it. Should have been immediately replaced after his antics at Blackburn.
I think disgrace to the shirt is maybe a touch strong, but I did think his antics at Blackburn were incredibly unprofessional and dimwitted.
Part of me thinks it was stupidity, part of me thinks he just doesn't really care that much. Sadly, I suspect it was a bit of both.
Him and Dunne are the two I would point the finger at for not seeming to care too much. It's not on for a professional like Dunne to be as overweight as he is. He also is gaining the air of a player for whom defeat doesn't seem to hurt much, which concerns me.
Sorry, I forgot Carew, who is the other one who looks like he no longer gives a shit. The speed with which he moved when subbed off against (I think) Arsenal was fucking shocking, the fastest he'd moved all day.
Beyond those three, I think you're being harsh on Downing, Young, NRC, Albrighton and Gabby.
Collins I do not think is overweight, don't really see that. I also think he is one of the ones who looks as if he does care. The problem is he is in a poor run of form, and spends an awful lot of time witlessly hoofing the ball out of defence.
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Are you not just describing the lack of quality and not describing the lack of discipline.
I don't think the squad is made up of battlers, just players who do well when the squad is doing well, nothing new there.
I'd agree that Ged doesn't seem able to motivate them as well as before but how much of that is down to all the disruptions
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None of them are shit players though.
Dunnie really should be dropped and told to come back when the scales show he's fit and as for Warnock, who else have we got ?
Massive togetherness required - it's motivation time par excellence for M. Houllier.
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talking about the defence, Do you take into consideration the players who play in front of them who are supposed to tackle and not just pressure the ball 3 yards away from his opponent, week after week we have centre mids bursting through the middle, how do you think the defenders are supposed to cope? i hate to say it we desperatly miss petrov and coker
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AY was missing on Monday because of his continual moaning at refs.
Fuck me this has been going on for how long??
I sometimes wonder what goes on in training, i think Dunne just eats the cakes he's hidden in his socks, Warnock kicks up pieces of turf on the edge of the box and Ashlet sits in a sedan chair being fanned by his man servant.
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I just spat my cup of tea :)
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I'm tired of Warnock's lack of ability. GH already mentioned the LB spot as something that needed to be addressed. I hope somewhere out there tucked away in the depths of French football is the new Evra.
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None of them are shit players though.
Dunnie really should be dropped and told to come back when the scales show he's fit and as for Warnock, who else have we got ?
Massive togetherness required - it's motivation time par excellence for M. Houllier.
Luke to left back and Lihaj in at right back ?
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None of them are shit players though.
Dunnie really should be dropped and told to come back when the scales show he's fit and as for Warnock, who else have we got ?
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Massive togetherness required - it's motivation time par excellence for M. Houllier.
Luke to left back and Lihaj in at right back ?
Young is bad enough at right back at the moment, changing him to left back a la MON wouldn't work for me
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None of them are shit players though.
Dunnie really should be dropped and told to come back when the scales show he's fit and as for Warnock, who else have we got ?
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Massive togetherness required - it's motivation time par excellence for M. Houllier.
Luke to left back and Lihaj in at right back ?
Young is bad enough at right back at the moment, changing him to left back a la MON wouldn't work for me
I think Young at LB would be a more solid option than Warnock anywhere on the pitch at the moment.
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i would stick guzan there at the minute if it got that useless scouse bellend out of the team...
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None of them are shit players though.
Dunnie really should be dropped and told to come back when the scales show he's fit and as for Warnock, who else have we got ?
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Massive togetherness required - it's motivation time par excellence for M. Houllier.
Luke to left back and Lihaj in at right back ?
Young is bad enough at right back at the moment, changing him to left back a la MON wouldn't work for me
I think Young at LB would be a more solid option than Warnock anywhere on the pitch at the moment.
You have a point I guess.
What's happened to the Warnock of 2009 ?
Complacency ?
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Most of the original post is way over the top, IMO, but lack of discipline comes in several forms and I'd say Warnock is showing a lack of discipline with his habit of diving in to challenges. Whatever happened to staying on your feet? There seems a desperation about his play which you'd expect of an 18-year-old novice, but a late-20 something England squad regular. Dunne's not too far off, either.
I do wonder whether Warnock needs to be rested, and we go with solidity by having Young at LB, with Lichaj or Beye at RB. or even Cuellar at RB and Young LB.
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I know this may be stretching things, but what about Clark at left back ?
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I know this may be stretching things, but what about Clark at left back ?
Not for Saturday. He's suspended.
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Clark at left back would work for me, being left footed it would give us balance, maybe when NRC returns it could be tried, or even Hogg and Bannan in the middle ala Man U and Clark at left back. To be fair the last home match v Arsenal Warnock was considerable better than L Young on the day, though I accept in the 3 recent away defeats this was the other way round.
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Most of the original post is way over the top, IMO, but lack of discipline comes in several forms and I'd say Warnock is showing a lack of discipline with his habit of diving in to challenges. Whatever happened to staying on your feet? There seems a desperation about his play which you'd expect of an 18-year-old novice, but a late-20 something England squad regular. Dunne's not too far off, either.
I do wonder whether Warnock needs to be rested, and we go with solidity by having Young at LB, with Lichaj or Beye at RB. or even Cuellar at RB and Young LB.
It might help if Warnock had a bit of support down the left from the midfield. As it is, he's generally on his own and may go some way to explain his desperate, last man defending.
The thing that annoys me most is the opposition know that they don't have to fear being tackled by our midfield. Any idea when NRC is back? We sorely miss him. We can't play Downing, Ireland and Ashley in the same side, it's far too wimpish and lightweight, teams are just dominating the midfield and walking through us. The defence may show signs of improvement when they have a bit more protection.
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No criticism can be aimed at our young lads.
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Most of the original post is way over the top, IMO, but lack of discipline comes in several forms and I'd say Warnock is showing a lack of discipline with his habit of diving in to challenges. Whatever happened to staying on your feet? There seems a desperation about his play which you'd expect of an 18-year-old novice, but a late-20 something England squad regular. Dunne's not too far off, either.
I do wonder whether Warnock needs to be rested, and we go with solidity by having Young at LB, with Lichaj or Beye at RB. or even Cuellar at RB and Young LB.
It might help if Warnock had a bit of support down the left from the midfield. As it is, he's generally on his own and may go some way to explain his desperate, last man defending.
The thing that annoys me most is the opposition know that they don't have to fear being tackled by our midfield. Any idea when NRC is back? We sorely miss him. We can't play Downing, Ireland and Ashley in the same side, it's far too wimpish and lightweight, teams are just dominating the midfield and walking through us. The defence may show signs of improvement when they have a bit more protection.
defending starts from the front line, these defenders are being run ragged every week, this is why mon used to play cueller behind ashley so on and so forth
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I'm still pinning my hopes on us being able to reproduce the Manu performance. We haven't been able to play the same side since then. It might be misplaced but there were so many good things about that game that I don't want us to throw away the baby with the bathwater.
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Looking at Warnock he doesn't seem 100% fit, every challenge he makes he seems to get up quite gingerly from, if he is playing through injuries it might explain why he is so poor this season compared to last, not sure how is going to get 100% at the moment though, the same I think is happening to James Collins.
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and dont start me on Salifou, hes that shit he cant even get a game with 300 players out ;-))
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AY was missing on Monday because of his continual moaning at refs.
Fuck me this has been going on for how long??
I sometimes wonder what goes on in training, i think Dunne just eats the cakes he's hidden in his socks, Warnock kicks up pieces of turf on the edge of the box and Ashlet sits in a sedan chair being fanned by his man servant.
Brilliant, really made me chuckle...