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Title: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: mr woo on December 07, 2010, 09:13:21 PM
Interesting question a mate of mine put to us this morning (not that its ever going to happen of course)...

If you were Randy Lerner, and Martin O' Neill rang you last night after the game, apologised for the way he left, said he was way too hasty and wanted to give the job another crack -  would you pay Houllier off and give MON his old job back?


In other words - Straight choice - who would YOU trust to get us out of this rut?

MON the motivator and hoofball merchant or GH who has us passing the thing at long last but without the results to show for it?

Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Dave on December 07, 2010, 09:14:29 PM
I'd be astonished if anyone would go for that.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Pete3206 on December 07, 2010, 09:16:51 PM
No
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Post by: villajk on December 07, 2010, 09:17:16 PM
A great big NO from me.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on December 07, 2010, 09:17:45 PM
No.
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 07, 2010, 09:18:01 PM
No way
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Post by: richard moore on December 07, 2010, 09:19:29 PM
No brainer. No thank you
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: usav on December 07, 2010, 09:19:35 PM
A big piss off, no.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: KevinGage on December 07, 2010, 09:23:01 PM
I'd like some of the things MON can bring to the party -things we're definitely lacking at present.

Simple things such as organisation at the back and competence at set pieces. This time last year we had the best defensive record from set pieces, now we have one of (if not) the worst. We don't seem to be offering a threat attacking them either.

But I'm pretty certain managers other than O'Neill are capable of delivering the above and --in time-  if Houllier isn't,  I hope we can find one.

So it's a no for me.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: TopDeck113 on December 07, 2010, 09:23:14 PM
If MON was to walk back in tomorrow I would put my mortgage on us not being relegated.  Under Houllier, at present, I wouldn't be willing to take the bet.



Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: aldridgeboy on December 07, 2010, 09:24:15 PM
No way!! And I d tell him to enjoy the Championship when he next gets a job
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: mr woo on December 07, 2010, 09:26:42 PM
Sounds pretty unanimous then......

Does everyone feel the same way for the same reasons though?

Too much bad feeling? Don't trust him with the next 20mill in Jan? Fed up with the performances and favouritism?

(don't just say yes , yes and yes though) ;-)
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Eigentor on December 07, 2010, 09:27:37 PM
We had long spells without victories under MON too.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Dave on December 07, 2010, 09:31:17 PM
Does everyone feel the same way for the same reasons though?

Too much bad feeling? Don't trust him with the next 20mill in Jan? Fed up with the performances and favouritism?
Surely the overwhelming issue is that he's done it once and he'd probably do it again?
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: mark1968 on December 07, 2010, 09:32:45 PM
No **$%$ chance!

The shit we're in now is mostly down to the actions of MON (in my opinion).
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: jonzy85 on December 07, 2010, 09:35:42 PM
No way!! And I d tell him to enjoy the Championship when he next gets a job

More likely we will be in the Championship next season than him.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: The Man With A Stick on December 07, 2010, 09:42:09 PM
A firm "thanks, but no thanks" from me.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: mr woo on December 07, 2010, 09:45:28 PM
No way!! And I d tell him to enjoy the Championship when he next gets a job

More likely we will be in the Championship next season than him.

Yeah, that's my worry.  Unless Houllier gets a couple of gems in January, if Martin O Neill were to take the Newcastle job, I can see him/them finishing above us.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: The Left Side on December 07, 2010, 09:46:36 PM
I'd say no but there is a vacancy going in the North East, do you need cab fare!
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Lizz on December 07, 2010, 09:52:38 PM
No from me. Even if I was remotely inclined to say yes, there are too many variables, it's all hypothetical.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Ad@m on December 07, 2010, 09:58:50 PM
The way MON left, if you allowed him back you might as well ask Steve Hodge to join him as assistant manager!
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Matt C on December 07, 2010, 10:07:00 PM
He'd get better from some of the mediocre players we're now saddled with I suspect, but no.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 07, 2010, 10:24:38 PM
We had long spells without victories under MON too.

Funnily enough in his first season in charge (2006) didn't we go a long spell at exactly this period without a win.

I certainly remember at the time that got Coopers injury and a few others in a tiss about getting relegated.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: D.boy on December 07, 2010, 10:27:47 PM
No, nein, nada.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 07, 2010, 10:39:23 PM
not a chance, he left us in a mess , we will be ok...
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: sideshow on December 07, 2010, 10:42:05 PM
Id take him back yeah.  And then id sack the selfish fucker tomorrow morning.

Fuckin cloughie wannabee failure prick, cock piss partridge.

(wipes spittle off chin and goes back to sleep)
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Nirog72 on December 07, 2010, 10:48:18 PM
I'd pack him and Houllier into a taxi and appoint Hughton.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 07, 2010, 10:52:41 PM
No.

We might be shit thus far this season, but I've seen us play more "football" under Houllier in his time here than I did in the last entire season at home under O'Neill. In fact, under KM, we played more football in the first home game of this season than in the last dozen of last season.

I at least get the idea that, if we have a bit of luck and get our injured players back, we're moving towards a better level. Under Martin I just felt for two years that we were doing exactly the same all the time with no real improvement in technique or style, and he'd not done anything to suggest he could improve on it.

Getting away from that, though, there's also the pride of the club to think of, and there's no way we could take him back and expect not to look like an absolute laughing stock. It'd be the sort of thing Newcastle would do.

So, just to reiterate, that's a no.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Leighton on December 07, 2010, 11:00:19 PM
Never. Not in a month of 12pm KO Sundays.

Martin NoDeal can rot as far as I'm concerned. Houll will sort it out.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Mark H on December 07, 2010, 11:15:16 PM
Easiest question I have had to answer in ages - No
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 07, 2010, 11:38:16 PM
I think Reo would run up to him and drop the nut on him before Lerner could get the reply out ..........
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 07, 2010, 11:51:09 PM
Not a chance. Never go back works both ways. Let's draw a line under this topic and the bashing of GH (even though he deserved it) and move on. He and the team need our support.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: willywombat on December 08, 2010, 12:44:17 AM
Not a hope, I would trust him any further than I could spit him after the way he left. Aside from that, like a lot of others I was sick of the shite football we were playing. It's not too crash hot at the moment granted but I reckon with a few players back from injury and a couple of signings things will improve
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Fergal on December 08, 2010, 01:36:12 AM
No, too much water has passed under the bridge...
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on December 08, 2010, 05:32:00 AM
Nope.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: pmk1981 on December 08, 2010, 06:51:59 AM
Of course. Id go and pick him up
.....
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sit him and the French man in a room. and then tell em both to fuck off !!
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Legion on December 08, 2010, 08:00:20 AM
Absolutely no chance.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: TimTheVillain on December 08, 2010, 08:15:52 AM
I think Reo would run up to him and drop the nut on him before Lerner could get the reply out ..........

With Barry B head butting him in the bollox.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Dave P on December 08, 2010, 08:37:29 AM
An astounding no from me.  You'll get more unhappy players and I wouldn't trust him in this situation.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: woo on December 08, 2010, 09:17:02 AM
We might not have been in the mess we're in at the moment with MON but he wouldn't take us any further than he had anyway so a big fat no.

By the way, hello Mr Woo, I prefer to be a bit more informal and not use titles!
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Gareth on December 08, 2010, 09:26:24 AM
Absolutely not.....he left as a gutless quitter and in my eyes will remain that
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: not3bad on December 08, 2010, 09:28:05 AM
Too much bad feeling? Don't trust him with the next 20mill in Jan? Fed up with the performances and favouritism?

(don't just say yes , yes and yes though) ;-)

It's actually because of the way he f*cked off and left us in the lurch.  How saft would we look if we just took him back?
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: UsualSuspect on December 08, 2010, 09:37:34 AM
It's a bit like being publically humilating by a bird who was a decent shag.

She rings you up out of the blue and asks if you fancy a bit. As much as you might be tempted you have to have a bit of dignity.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: john e on December 08, 2010, 09:40:52 AM
MON wont be coming back,
 but in the twilight world where this senario happens, it would be the tipping point for me,

i'm willing to see where GH gets us when he's had a few more games and brings one or two players in,
i am not willing to put up the the boring unexciting long ball shit that MON served up last season,
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: eastie on December 08, 2010, 09:43:56 AM
no way - i would have sacked him before he resigned in any case!
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Merv on December 08, 2010, 09:46:36 AM
I'd have him back in a heartbeat.

 ;)
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: pedro25 on December 08, 2010, 09:49:21 AM
I'd much rather M'ON was still here, but taking him back is very different, wouldn't be appalled by it however.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: darren woolley on December 08, 2010, 10:21:55 AM
No i wouldn't have him back we have got to move forward.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: badluckeric(gates) on December 08, 2010, 10:34:26 AM
From someone who passionately supported him-NO WAY. Regardless of reason for leaving in he dropped us right in it. I will never forgive him.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on December 08, 2010, 10:48:06 AM
hell no...

but i would string him along so that he had to apologise publicly for his appalling behaviour, and grovel for the job back...

and then tell him via the press to do one...
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: sfx412 on December 08, 2010, 11:02:09 AM
I'd rather have a decent manager thanks
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Clampy on December 08, 2010, 11:02:58 AM
no way - i would have sacked him before he resigned in any case!

Why? For finishing 6th, and reaching a Cup Final and a semi Final?

I'm glad your not our chairman.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Diablo on December 08, 2010, 11:24:19 AM
It all depends why MON left and if he is the one who should apologise (as opposed to Randy & co)
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 08, 2010, 02:07:51 PM
It all depends why MON left and if he is the one who should apologise (as opposed to Randy & co)

Regardless of this, it would be a NO from me.  MON had run out of ideas and lacked the flexibility and imagination to take us any further.  While I have reservations about Houllier at least there is a chance he can take us to the next level.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: WarszaVillan on December 08, 2010, 02:26:45 PM
Obviously can't go back and can't see that either side would ever want to.

 But I just want to wake up in the holiday flat in Bulgaria without a text from my brother telling me that O'Neill had resigned and Milner definitely leaving.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: hulkamania on December 08, 2010, 02:31:52 PM
NO WAY JOSE!!!!! I want to see what Houllier can do with a fully fit team/squad. Something which we haven't seen yet if my memory serves me correct?
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: eastie on December 08, 2010, 04:20:35 PM
reason id have sacked him clampy is i did not think he was capable of taking the club any further - not saying he did a shit job but he had taken us as far as he could in my opinion - it was time to part company.

martin did a decent job for us given the amount he spent , but by no means was he a great manager!
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Dave Cooper please on December 08, 2010, 04:57:10 PM
Congratulations though to Mr Woo for producing the most one-sided negative response to a thread since someone came out with "Steve Hodge, was he just misunderstood?"
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: mr woo on December 08, 2010, 07:24:28 PM
Congratulations though to Mr Woo for producing the most one-sided negative response to a thread since someone came out with "Steve Hodge, was he just misunderstood?"

Very good.

I must admit to being a little surprised at the landslide, when the question was originally posed it was more a 60/40 'no'.

But then again, immediately after a poor result you may get a false swing. Oo-er missus.

Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: mr woo on December 08, 2010, 07:26:50 PM


By the way, hello Mr Woo, I prefer to be a bit more informal and not use titles!

Sorry about that mate, its a user name I've used on other non-Villa related forums for years.

No intention to nick yours.     ;-)
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Villa'Zawg on December 08, 2010, 08:05:52 PM
It all depends why MON left and if he is the one who should apologise (as opposed to Randy & co)

Something like;

"If you were Martin O'Neill, and Randy Lerner rang you last night after the game, apologised for the way they forced you out of the club, said they were way too hasty and wanted you to give the job another crack -  would you give up your beach recliner and take your old job back?"
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 08, 2010, 08:07:33 PM


By the way, hello Mr Woo, I prefer to be a bit more informal and not use titles!

Sorry about that mate, its a user name I've used on other non-Villa related forums for years.

No intention to nick yours.     ;-)

All we need now is a Dr Wu and I'll be stuck in Steely Dan Internal Jukebox hell.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 08, 2010, 10:24:28 PM
It all depends why MON left and if he is the one who should apologise (as opposed to Randy & co)

I'm not aware of anyone else who walked out on us.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on December 08, 2010, 10:43:04 PM
One thing is for certain.  I would rather have MON than Houllier as manager of the Villa any day.  I'd say 99%of football fans would too.  The problem is the way he left and his reasons for it.  Can't see that Randy would have him back or that MON would want to come back.  If I were chairman I'd let him come back in a heart beat if the alternative is Houllier.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: eamonn on December 08, 2010, 11:23:11 PM
So that's just Villadawg, Jonzy 85 and TopDeck in favour then. Considering GHou's poor start you'd imagine there'd be a few more pining for MON.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Lambert and Payne on December 09, 2010, 03:07:33 PM
Id tell MON to stick it where the sun don't shine. No more favouritism will mean better performances from certain players, boring football with the occasional exciting counter attack. I'd give Houllier the money in Jan. Some people on other sites dont like him because he's not energetic enough! He's hardly gunna be skipping up and down the touchline!!
I dont like the waving to the kop/ignoring our fans buissiness though...
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Concrete John on December 09, 2010, 03:37:35 PM
Interesting question a mate of mine put to us this morning (not that its ever going to happen of course)...

If you were Randy Lerner, and Martin O' Neill rang you last night after the game, apologised for the way he left, said he was way too hasty and wanted to give the job another crack -  would you pay Houllier off and give MON his old job back?

In other words - Straight choice - who would YOU trust to get us out of this rut?

MON the motivator and hoofball merchant or GH who has us passing the thing at long last but without the results to show for it?

I think there are two answers to that question.

1.  If it's a straight 'who would be better for us right now' then from a pure football perspective I'd say MON as what we need right now is a bit of character and resilience on the pitch, which his sides certainly had.

2.  If it's a case of would his return work in the real world, then no - too much water under the bridge now!
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Clampy on December 09, 2010, 06:36:39 PM
Interesting question a mate of mine put to us this morning (not that its ever going to happen of course)...

If you were Randy Lerner, and Martin O' Neill rang you last night after the game, apologised for the way he left, said he was way too hasty and wanted to give the job another crack -  would you pay Houllier off and give MON his old job back?

In other words - Straight choice - who would YOU trust to get us out of this rut?

MON the motivator and hoofball merchant or GH who has us passing the thing at long last but without the results to show for it?

I think there are two answers to that question.

1.  If it's a straight 'who would be better for us right now' then from a pure football perspective I'd say MON as what we need right now is a bit of character and resilience on the pitch, which his sides certainly had.

2.  If it's a case of would his return work in the real world, then no - too much water under the bridge now!

The above is pretty much the way i feel.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Greg N'Ash on December 09, 2010, 08:05:20 PM
always expected us to go backwards this season. If you've got a squad of hoofball merchants then performances will suffer short term when you ask them to change and if we went back to mon's style no doubt results would improve but it won't get you top4. The big worry is if the money is there to rebuild if the existing players can't adapt - Dunne was being called the bargain of the season 6 months ago - he hasn't suddenly become a crap player but if you want to chase honours maybe you need a more cultured player - certainly citeh thought so.. that takes money and if the previous manager has stripped the cupboard bare then MON's appointment could be Lerners most costly mistake
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: MoetVillan on December 09, 2010, 10:19:58 PM
Coyle is slowly changing the way Bolton is playing and look at the improvement.  In entertainment, and now results.  Big Sam is at Blackburn and is hitting the ceiling.  MON, I loved so many parts of his time here, I liked his forthright attitude, and where he took us from and too, but have to admit, I think he may have hit his ceiling too.  Houllier did progress Liverpool and left a legacy for Rafa to exploit, then plunder.  Id feel more confident in my thoughts after the next window is closed, but I think Houllier could take us on further.  We have had some poor performances, but not many, just poorer results.  Liverpool was my low point, but I have enjoyed an hour against United when they didnt know whether they were farting or sneezing, bliss.  Come on lads, lets see more of that.
Title: Re: YOU are the chairman...
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on December 09, 2010, 10:42:36 PM
if he want to come back he have to be GH's deputy and no bringing his groupie. So MON got no friends in coaching staff. That would be interesting. But no thanks for him.
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