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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: pmk1981 on December 06, 2010, 11:48:30 PM
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Jol has left Ajax
Go get him NOW !!!!
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I'd be astonished if this came true.
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Jol has left Ajax
Go get him NOW !!!!
He's orf to Newcastle I think. Why can't we hold onto a manager for more than 4 seasons?
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It was on talk sport earlier. Looks like he is off to Newcastle unless Lerner pulls his finger out
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I'm not sure it's such a given he'll manage Newcastle however, Chris Hughton is a friend and former colleague. Considering the horribly treatment he received in a similar fashion from Tottenham he might be reluctant to go to Newcastle.
That said I don't want Houllier sacked anyway. Just given a proper row.
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I'm not sure it's such a given he'll manage Newcastle however, Chris Hughton is a friend and former colleague. Considering the horribly treatment he received in a similar fashion from Tottenham he might be reluctant to go to Newcastle.
That said I don't want Houllier sacked anyway. Just given a proper row.
If the cash is right, loyalty won't mean a thing.
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Is it time for Randy to get stuck in where it hurts ?
I am one who thinks so.............
Testing times in B6.
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Ya Im not sure about this Jol to Newcastle thing either. Would prefer Owen Coyle anyway. Yes it is time for us to be all nasty and do things that big clubs do when in this situation. Push the boat out and get our man. Bolton are broke so lets do what needs to be done.
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Coyle is proving to be really good, but. I remember talk of he could be the first manager to manage two relegated teams in a season. So let's give Gerrard a chance.
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I'd be stunned if Houllier is going anywhere any time soon, and even more stunned if Coyle left, even for us. He'll soon develop a track record of walking out on teams, and we'd be next when a bigger job comes along.
As for Jol, he wasn't available when we needed a manager. He also wasn't walking out on a Champions League team.
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Jol....he might life the doom and gloom pervading the club.
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Please Randy, get Jol down the Villa and sack the Liverpool fan. It hasn't worked.
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Coyle is proving to be really good, but. I remember talk of he could be the first manager to manage two relegated teams in a season. So let's give Gerrard a chance.
That dubious award went to a certain Billy McNeil
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I wanted Jol when MON fucked off.
It ain't gonna happen though.
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Jol to Newcastle must be a done deal. Its too much of a coincidence
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Jol to Newcastle must be a done deal. Its too much of a coincidence
That's how it appears, but MON is being linked too, so who knows.
Most of us wanted Jol when MON walked, and would welcome him to VP with open arms now.
We need a Manager with more steel.
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Any talk of geting rid of Houllier is absolute lunacy.
I despair.
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Any talk of geting rid of Houllier is absolute lunacy.
I despair.
If it takes as long to get the next one as it did to get Houllier then the January transfer window will have been and gone by the time the next manager was in place.
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Any talk of geting rid of Houllier is absolute lunacy.
I despair.
I wish I'd got your faith.
I've been looking, looking hard down the tunnel, but I can't see any light.
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Jol would be a great appointment, but I don't think Lerner is so ruthless to get rid already.
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wouldnt cost any money to get Jol now he is free agent. and if every villa fan at the next home game donated £2 i think we would have enough to pay him off
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Actually, I'm revising my opinion after only just discovering this quote from Houllier.
He added: "It's difficult to say but I prefer to lose 3-0 to Liverpool because I like Liverpool.''
Fucking disgrace.
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Actually, I'm revising my opinion after only just discovering this quote from Houllier.
He added: "It's difficult to say but I prefer to lose 3-0 to Liverpool because I like Liverpool.''
Fucking disgrace.
Is that fact
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We just got to give GH time.
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We just got to give GH time.
Why?
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Give GH time or do you want to become newcastle a new manager every season
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Jol observations:
Listening to a Dutch journalist on the radio last night, he said that one of the reasons why Jol may be leaving Ajax is because the supporters' expectations are way too high. Do you think someone should tell Jol about Newcastle fans?
Secondly, my Dutch mate reckons that Jol shares a few characteristics with Redknapp ( mainly the bad characteristics)- he's always moaning about having no players, always asking for money to spend, always trying to get himself a pay rise. And some of the players he's taken to Ajax have been fat old has-beens.
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Jol observations:
Listening to a Dutch journalist on the radio last night, he said that one of the reasons why Jol may be leaving Ajax is because the supporters' expectations are way too high. Do you think someone should tell Jol about Newcastle fans?
Secondly, my Dutch mate reckons that Jol shares a few characteristics with Redknapp ( mainly the bad characteristics)- he's always moaning about having no players, always asking for money to spend, always trying to get himself a pay rise. And some of the players he's taken to Ajax have been fat old has-beens.
another MoN ?
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If Jol came to Villa he would still have the same inury crisis. There seem to be a lot of posters keen to jump on GH back over the slightest thing. We are not playing well and thats down to 11 on the pitch.
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Taken from the Official Villa Site: GH quoted "The second goal was offside but it was a vital goal because it means that the game is over.
Give him more time? to give up after 20mins....were going to go down if this man stays!
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Jol to Newcastle must be a done deal. Its too much of a coincidence
Yep. Football, the only business where constructive dismissal does not exist!
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wouldnt cost any money to get Jol now he is free agent. and if every villa fan at the next home game donated £2 i think we would have enough to pay him off
Not even a downpayment.
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Taken from the Official Villa Site: GH quoted "The second goal was offside but it was a vital goal because it means that the game is over.
Give him more time? to give up after 20mins....were going to go down if this man stays!
Exactly, tell that to Alex Ferguson.
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Taken from the Official Villa Site: GH quoted "The second goal was offside but it was a vital goal because it means that the game is over.
Give him more time? to give up after 20mins....were going to go down if this man stays!
Exactly, tell that to Alex Ferguson.
In fairness Houllier looks like a beaten man in the vast majority of interviews he gives.
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I work with loads of Ajax fans and trust me they don't have many nice things to say about him. The name Mido comes frequently to mind when talking of Jol.
Ajax fans have a massive expectation and they ought to. On paper this team should beat every time over here comfortably week on week, yet they sit in 4th spot and drew to NEC at the weekend. He may have done an amazing job at Spurs, but over here he's not done well at all and his constant moaning at the end of every match has really grated on the Ajax fans.
Its possible that he's more suited to the Prem than the Eredivisie, but he's constant fallings out with his own assistant and rumours that they weren't even on speaking terms is hardly professional.
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The name Mido comes frequently to mind when talking of Jol.
Yep.
And Tainio, and Ooijer
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We are not playing well and thats down to 11 on the pitch.
Who picks the 11? His hands have been tied to some extent with the injuries yet he still picks the same defence and they cost us a goal every game. Beye, Lichaj and Cuellar could have come in at some point over the last few games and given us more options instead of continuing with Dunne and Warnock.
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It looks like to me they dont want to play for him !!
they are good players and this mistakes are schoolboy
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A few of them are.
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Houllier has to go in my view. Last night was a shambles. The players aren't happy and are shadows of their former selves.
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Fully agree, the players largely have very quickly become as passionless as the manager
A very poor appointment
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If Jol goes to Newcastle, then I think for the first time serious questions have to be asked about Randy, in how seriously we worked to get in a new manager.
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I said at the time we were looking to appoint we should hold on with Macdonald until around now when Ajax would be out of the Champs League. He would then be available.
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Why isn't there any clamour for Pieter Huistra, Michel Preud'homme or Fred Rutten as our next manager?
They're all doing better than Jol is, hence him leaving.
I really fail to see the obsession.
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They're all doing better than Jol is, hence him leaving.
I really fail to see the obsession.
Me neither, I think Dutch supporters think more of Steve McLaren and what he did than Jol
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Jol In, and move froggy up stairs if needs be !! he is not the manager a club like us needs, he is yesterdays news and it looks like Lerner went for the cheap option !!
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Of the candidates linked at the time he was the outstanding one but you have to question his record at in particular Ajax and Hamburg. His teams always tend to suffer collapses late on in seasons too.
I'm another who doesn't understand the obsession here. It's not like he is Jose Mourinho.
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We are not playing well and thats down to 11 on the pitch.
Who picks the 11? His hands have been tied to some extent with the injuries yet he still picks the same defence and they cost us a goal every game. Beye, Lichaj and Cuellar could have come in at some point over the last few games and given us more options instead of continuing with Dunne and Warnock.
That's harsh on Houllier. There is certainly some merit in playing Cuellar at Centre Back but I cannot see how putting a right back - especially a youngster like Lichaj - at left back would help us. He'd (rightly) get slaughtered if it did not work.
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We are not playing well and thats down to 11 on the pitch.
Who picks the 11? His hands have been tied to some extent with the injuries yet he still picks the same defence and they cost us a goal every game. Beye, Lichaj and Cuellar could have come in at some point over the last few games and given us more options instead of continuing with Dunne and Warnock.
That's harsh on Houllier. There is certainly some merit in playing Cuellar at Centre Back but I cannot see how putting a right back - especially a youngster like Lichaj - at left back would help us. He'd (rightly) get slaughtered if it did not work.
i think he means switch luke to left back and lichaj at right back - cant be worse than warnock.
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I think the "obsession" with Jol stems from his getting Tottingham to two successive 5th places and a dodgy curry away from 4th, while playing decent football. I have to admit though that he doesn't seem to have pulled up any trees at Hamburg or Ajax. Maybe he is better suited to the less technical PL.
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Jols isn't the man to turn us around IMO.
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One thing in Jol's favour: I'm fairly sure that at Hamburg he got them to the UEFA Cup semi-final.
Like I said this morning though, it isn't going to happen.
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If Jol does come in and goes half a dozen games without a win culminating in saying he still likes Spurs then it'll be time for him to leave as well.
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Am I in the minority in thinking Jol wouldn't improve us.
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No, clearly not.
If you'd read the thread. Or even just the last page.
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I work with loads of Ajax fans and trust me they don't have many nice things to say about him. The name Mido comes frequently to mind when talking of Jol.
Ajax fans have a massive expectation and they ought to. On paper this team should beat every time over here comfortably week on week, yet they sit in 4th spot and drew to NEC at the weekend. He may have done an amazing job at Spurs, but over here he's not done well at all and his constant moaning at the end of every match has really grated on the Ajax fans.
Its possible that he's more suited to the Prem than the Eredivisie, but he's constant fallings out with his own assistant and rumours that they weren't even on speaking terms is hardly professional.
I guess Ajax for a dutchman is a huge challenge but I was surprised that he left Hamburg as he was doing a decent job there if in the end he just fell a bit short. Like at Ajax. And Spurs.
He's a bit like MON isn't he, in that he'll improve the team and lift morale but in terms of actually achievement like winning trophies, he tends to come up a bit short.
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Why isn't there any clamour for Pieter Huistra, Michel Preud'homme or Fred Rutten as our next manager?
They're all doing better than Jol is, hence him leaving.
I really fail to see the obsession.
Premier league experience probably.
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The Times has speculated that he doesn't want the Newcastle job which begs the question, why did he leave Ajax ?
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The Times has speculated that he doesn't want the Newcastle job which begs the question, why did he leave Ajax ?
To go back to Hamburg?
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Jol In
Hmm, the old "repeat it enough and it'll start to look like a good idea" tactic.
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Well he's not getting Barcodes job, maybe Villa ?
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Well he's not getting Barcodes job, maybe Villa ?
Martin O'Niell's without a club as well. maybe Villa?
So is David O'Leary! Maybe Villa?
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Would love MON back in all fairness
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Would love MON back in all fairness
I wouldn't. I was sick of him and glad he's gone.
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So, we appoint Jol and in another 3 months he isn't doing any better will the same lunatics be calling for his head?
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I can't speak for the lunatics but I'd imagine if the first time he went back to WHL he was content enough to walk down memory lane, blow kisses at the Tottenham fans and say after the game he doesn't mind losing to Tottenham it might cause a bit of a fallout, yeah.
Is there any other supporters in the country who would accept that kind of behaviour?
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I can't speak for the lunatics but I'd imagine if the first time he went back to WHL he was content enough to walk down memory lane, blow kisses at the Tottenham fans and say after the game he doesn't mind losing to Tottenham it might cause a bit of a fallout, yeah.
Is there any other supporters in the country who would accept that kind of behaviour?
You under estimate yourself, Kevin, you're more than capable of speaking for the lunatics. <wink>
I think the stuff the other night although unwise has been blown out of proportion and he's made an effort to put things right so as far as I'm concerned that draws a line under it.
Mangers are judged on results and I don't believe that three months is long enough time to make any sort of informed decision. If you also add in the nature of his appointment and the unprecedented run of injuries he's had to contend with then it becomes even more ludicrous.
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So have the Geordies got the world renowned Alan Pardew in as manager or not?
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So have the Geordies got the world renowned Alan Pardew in as manager or not?
Looks likely
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Pardew on a five year deal what a joke ...........
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We could be much worse off then!
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I can't speak for the lunatics but I'd imagine if the first time he went back to WHL he was content enough to walk down memory lane, blow kisses at the Tottenham fans and say after the game he doesn't mind losing to Tottenham it might cause a bit of a fallout, yeah.
Is there any other supporters in the country who would accept that kind of behaviour?
You under estimate yourself, Kevin, you're more than capable of speaking for the lunatics. <wink>
I think the stuff the other night although unwise has been blown out of proportion and he's made an effort to put things right so as far as I'm concerned that draws a line under it.
Mangers are judged on results and I don't believe that three months is long enough time to make any sort of informed decision. If you also add in the nature of his appointment and the unprecedented run of injuries he's had to contend with then it becomes even more ludicrous.
I love how people like to spin it that you're the one with the irrational point of view on here.
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Maurino apart is there any manager that we would be confident of improving us, the only one i can think of is (and i choke on my vomit as i say it) is Redknapp. He is the only manager in the Prem that i would be confident of improving us. Helmet on.
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Pardew on a five year deal what a joke ...........
Its actually 5 and a half!! "lol" as they say!
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I was just reading that Pardew's contract is not as daft as it looks, he's on a basic of £450k pa with large bonuses for success. If they sack him it going to cost them £2m.
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I didn't hear as many people moaning (although there were a few) when Houllier was appointed, as are moaning now that we have not had the results recently (and admittedly played shit the last few games). Which to me, means a few people seem to have a very short term outlook.
You simply can't appoint a manager like Houllier and then sack him after a few months. He needs this season and next season, minimum. We won't go down, although it could be close. Have we suddenly turned into Newcastle with our clamour for hiring and firing?
Let's not forget, the man came in after the season had started at (relatively) short notice, none of his own signings and trying to get a grip on things way after rest of the field are out of the gates and into the first corner. Its easy to say, but I just hope everybody could get behind the manager and the team and see where we are at the end of the season. Looks as though we'll be nearer the bottom 6 than the top 6 on current evidence, but he's got to be allowed at least one, preferrably 2 summer transfer windows to make an impact.
The short termism of football really frustrates me sometimes.
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I didn't hear as many people moaning (although there were a few) when Houllier was appointed, as are moaning now that we have not had the results recently (and admittedly played shit the last few games). Which to me, means a few people seem to have a very short term outlook.
Could be.
Or it could be that the vast majority were prepared to give him a chance but since then he's done his best to talk himself out of a job?
Perhaps uniquely in this case, it's not results that may do for him. Though in truth they haven't been to clever either.
If Jol, Coyle, Moyes or anyone else had been appointed and came out with the type of guff he has -pretty much from day one- I think they'd struggle too. Whether that was three weeks, three months or three years into the job. And two of those would have been viewed as popular choices initially.
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As you say - could be. I just don't agree with taking weeks and weeks to find, supposedly, the right manager and then getting rid because it hasn't immediately worked out. He has to be given a proper chance, not least because if we get rid now, then we will start to be seen as one of those joke clubs that change the manager every few months. I know the results haven't been great, but some of the football has been pretty good at (rare) times up until recently. I know we lost to Blues in the cup and surrendered after 20 mins to Liverpool, but look at the wider story - ravaged by injury, half a team of kids, poor confidence and not a great deal of luck currently and we are where we are in the league proabably deservedly. Hopefully we've reached our trough and will show better in the 2nd half of the season.