Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Loxton01 on December 06, 2010, 11:23:25 PM
-
I am 28 and have followed Villa for 25 years of my life having gone to my first game at 3.
I have been home and away im a season ticket holder and have attended all major finals, semis but for the first time in my life tonight i stopped watching a game early. Ok it was only the last 10 mins but am i losing my interest and desire for the club?
Ok were in a bad patch but wheres the hope the bright future.
Yes you should support your club through thick and thin but why what for.... were never going to win anything unless were bought by an arab .... and thats just wrong!!!
I need a rallying call as im in a bad place at the moment
Is anyone else feeling the same?
-
Based on the thread title, i'd suggest having a word with Pele.
-
I got so fucked off I switched over to Corrie for the Tram Crash (Really crap FX). The only regret I have was that Corrie wasn't an hour longer.
But, we will all keep going back for more punishment. It's what we do.
-
I swear to McGrath, I saw Loxton01 on the post-match thread or somewhere, a few minutes ago, and I said to myself "Hmm! Loxton normally starts a thread when we've had a *really* shit game."
And lo!
;-)
-
I sat watching the game tonight thinking 'what the fuck's the point?' I'm not a ST holder but I've gone to all the home games this season regardless, including the cups. I've been putting off getting a half season ticket simply out of laziness, but I just cannot be arsed to get one. The annoying thing is that in a couple of days I probably will.
-
I'm currently at the stage of thinking is it worth me putting my two boys through this kind of shit? My weekends are regularly ruined and there is little hope of winning any silverware in the Sky era. Football has become an entertainment.
-
I'm currently at the stage of thinking is it worth me putting my two boys through this kind of shit? My weekends are regularly ruined and there is little hope of winning any silverware in the Sky era. Football has become an entertainment.
Except when you're watching Villa.
-
Based on the thread title, i'd suggest having a word with Pele.
First thing that's made me smile this evening.
-
Don't all shoot me at once but from a selfish point of view i'd quite like us to get relegated, well maybe like is a strange word in the circumstances but hear me out, Im absolutely bored shitless with the Premier league, a league were the gap between 4th and 5th is more important than the gap between 1st and 2nd, mediocre footballers earning obscene amounts of money and in some cases being seen as celebrities, my old man tells me about Bournemouth etc and he regards those days as his favourite following the club and i'd love to experience some of that, granted if we did go down we could end up finding it difficult like Leeds, Forest, Coventry etc but I reckon a season in the championship were we would have to move on some of the dross on our books, with some new away games, were every team would see us as a huge game would benefit us in the long run, sort of one step back to take two steps forward
-
I wouldn't love us to be relegated by any stretch but I remember thinking the season Newcastle imploded that they could do with a season or two outside the Premier League. But that was different circumstances - they were massively tainted by the goings-on with Mike Ashley and needed a bit of a clean-up to get their heads together and show the fans they had no divine right to be in the top division. With Villa, there's nothing 'wrong' with the club to warrant a season out of the top flight. It just looks as though we might not have a say in the matter.
-
So completley understand how you feel, but I am fifty next year!!!xx
-
I dunno, I remember feeling a lot worse under O'Leary. The talking down of the club as a whole, 'sugarbags', 'we're an honest bunch of lads', that shoeing we recieved at Arsenal where he was on the pitch afterwards, Doncaster, the letter to the Mail and always referring to himself in the third person.
A proper fucking weirdo.
-
In one hand it's great to see the young lads coming through, but we need a few points, and the hou looks like he's been lobotomised.
-
I dunno, I remember feeling a lot worse under O'Leary. The talking down of the club as a whole, 'sugarbags', 'we're an honest bunch of lads', that shoeing we recieved at Arsenal where he was on the pitch afterwards, Doncaster, the letter to the Mail and always referring to himself in the third person.
A proper fucking weirdo.
I felt worse during the O'Leary years because you never felt like 'okay, we're going to turn a corner now'. It always just felt like we were marking time until he was gone from the club and doing just enough to keep us up. But it's got to the stage now even this early under Houllier where I'm thinking 'Oh shit, we've got West Brom on Saturday.' And that can't be allowed to happen for the rest of the season.
-
Our young lads are brilliant, I have been watching them for years, but we need a proper manager and I dont think it is GH!
-
I turned off after the second goal, 15 minutes in. Never do that usually but I just thought I don't need this, not tonight.
-
Based on the thread title, i'd suggest having a word with Pele.
First thing that's made me smile this evening.
Gotta say that made me laugh .......
-
It's sad to say but the arse is falling out of our season. The drop in attendances has really worried me a lot.
Why is it people's desire seems to have evaporated with MON leaving?
-
It's sad to say but the arse is falling out of our season. The drop in attendances has really worried me a lot.
Why is it people's desire seems to have evaporated with MON leaving?
Irish Villain,
I have been thinking about this here in Shanghai while Blighty (and Ireland!) sleeps and I think it is because MON was popular in the media, but also because he was full of verve and vitality. You could see him kicking every ball and living every moment on the touchline and I think that many of us were energised by that.
He was also very good at several important parts of the game – making average players play well above their perceived ability, instilling great self belief, a focus on organisation and teamwork with a never say die attitude. Look how many times we bloodied the nose of the Sky 4 under him, or came back from a goal down to gain at least a point. Look at our away form too – probably as good as it has been in my life. Put simply, we had character and were a threat to every opponent.
Houllier has had little time to stamp his imprint on the club and I think it would be wrong to even consider getting rid of him. But more energy and some sterling rallying of the troops would help galvanise fans – as would a few signings in January, by which I mean asap and not 23.59 on 31st.
God we need to beat the Albion….
-
Don't all shoot me at once but from a selfish point of view i'd quite like us to get relegated, well maybe like is a strange word in the circumstances but hear me out, Im absolutely bored shitless with the Premier league, a league were the gap between 4th and 5th is more important than the gap between 1st and 2nd, mediocre footballers earning obscene amounts of money and in some cases being seen as celebrities........ I reckon a season in the championship where we would have to move on some of the dross on our books, with some new away games, where every team would see us as a huge game would benefit us in the long run, sort of one step back to take two steps forward
My heart lifted when I read these words and I realised that I am not alone in having such thoughts. For a long time I have felt ashamed at spending my hard-earned cash just to be an extra in a Sky television production. I can't change my allegiance from a club that I have supported all my life, but I am sick of the Premier League and all the baggage that goes with it. Let's go into the Championship with a happy heart and a feeling of deliverance from this shit-filled League.
-
A few games away from the end of last season we were fighting Man City & Spurs for fourth place. Now we look a long way behind both teams halfway through the following season.
This is the Villa in a nutshell as Harry Hill might say, I've been watching them since 1959 and have been through this more times than I care to remember. I had a feeling we would get mullered last night and you think you are past caring. But you wake up in the morning avoiding papers, radio and plastic scousers feeling absolutely pissed off.
This is the Villa, we love the club no matter how shite we are, whatever division we are in and whoever manages them and plays for them.
-
We are not down yet. If we sack Houllier we can still stay up.
-
I find I go through this every few years. It's what we enjoy.
-
I am 28 and have followed Villa for 25 years of my life having gone to my first game at 3.
I have been home and away im a season ticket holder and have attended all major finals, semis but for the first time in my life tonight i stopped watching a game early. Ok it was only the last 10 mins but am i losing my interest and desire for the club?
Ok were in a bad patch but wheres the hope the bright future.
Yes you should support your club through thick and thin but why what for.... were never going to win anything unless were bought by an arab .... and thats just wrong!!!
I need a rallying call as im in a bad place at the moment
Is anyone else feeling the same?
Loxton,
If you need a rallying call or a bit of perspective read my post of today in the Holte Enders In The Sky section of the forum.
This is football my friend, it'll bring you down, it will lift you up, but at the end of the day we just can't give it up.
Rob
-
I started losing my desire last season. There were games ( Bolton was the first) where despite having a season ticket, I could not face sitting there watching the poor football we were playing and ending up with a draw. It was mainly this reason ( and the fact with Europe we would have very few Saturday games ) that I didn't renew my season ticket.
My hopes were raised when we got Houllier and I was telling people I'd consider getting a half season ticket, especially when we went out of Europe.
However I am genuinely now worried about relegation. While Houllier does appear to be able to make changes during a game that Mon couldn't /wouldn't, the fact he is leaving our two centre halves in the team beggars belief at the moment. If Cuellar is fit he must play and if he thinks Clarke is good enough for midfield he must be good enough for defence?
I very sadly, but accurately told my Liverpool supporting mate last night that with our defence they would score at least three whilst I couldn't see us scoring. It's depressing that I was that sure about the result (and the fact I didn't have a bet!)
So I hate to say it but I have lost the desire at the moment too!! I hate to be negative about the one thing I have loved all my life (well mum and dad apart) but it's just the way I feel. I don't like it !!
-
I am 44 and have followed Villa for 45 years of my life having gone to my first game in my Mother's womb.
Like Wet Wet Wet I have been home and away i'm a season ticket holder and have attended all major finals, semis but for the first time in my life tonight i stopped watching a game early. Ok it was only the last 10 mins for a furious strum on the sofa, but am I losing my interest and desire for the club?
Ok were in a bad patch but where is the hope where is the love?
Yes you should support your club through thick and thin but as Jimmy Sommerville said when he was in Bronski Beat 'Tell me whhhhyyyy?'.... we're never going to win anything unless the music we run out to is the Cure's 'Killing an Arab' .... and thats just wrong!!!
I'm in a bad place at the moment
There is a hideous stain on the sofa.
Is anyone else feeling the same?
-
I started losing my desire last season. There were games ( Bolton was the first) where despite having a season ticket, I could not face sitting there watching the poor football we were playing and ending up with a draw. It was mainly this reason ( and the fact with Europe we would have very few Saturday games ) that I didn't renew my season ticket.
My hopes were raised when we got Houllier and I was telling people I'd consider getting a half season ticket, especially when we went out of Europe.
However I am genuinely now worried about relegation. While Houllier does appear to be able to make changes during a game that Mon couldn't /wouldn't, the fact he is leaving our two centre halves in the team beggars belief at the moment. If Cuellar is fit he must play and if he thinks Clarke is good enough for midfield he must be good enough for defence?
I very sadly, but accurately told my Liverpool supporting mate last night that with our defence they would score at least three whilst I couldn't see us scoring. It's depressing that I was that sure about the result (and the fact I didn't have a bet!)
So I hate to say it but I have lost the desire at the moment too!! I hate to be negative about the one thing I have loved all my life (well mum and dad apart) but it's just the way I feel. I don't like it !!
Me and VCTM jnr miss you too !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-
MON brought us to the brink of a "Bright Future", just fell short.
Whatever happened between him and Randy in the summer, it was clear that MON knew that the "Bright Future" wouldnt be within our grasp.
I think it is having got so close last 2 years, then in the space of a few months we sell our best player, lose the manager who had built a solid squad, sign nobody (Ireland p/x excluded) and appoint a dead rubber of a manager is making people despondent.
It's actually got to the stage where I was pretty happy Kyrgaikos kept a clean sheet for my fantasy football.
-
I am 44 and have followed Villa for 45 years of my life having gone to my first game in my Mother's womb.
Like Wet Wet Wet I have been home and away i'm a season ticket holder and have attended all major finals, semis but for the first time in my life tonight i stopped watching a game early. Ok it was only the last 10 mins for a furious strum on the sofa, but am I losing my interest and desire for the club?
Ok were in a bad patch but where is the hope where is the love?
Yes you should support your club through thick and thin but as Jimmy Sommerville said when he was in Bronski Beat 'Tell me whhhhyyyy?'.... we're never going to win anything unless the music we run out to is the Cure's 'Killing an Arab' .... and thats just wrong!!!
I'm in a bad place at the moment
There is a hideous stain on the sofa.
Is anyone else feeling the same?
Similar Fletch, similar.
I am putting faith in Randy to sort this mess out though.
-
The only thing that concerns me is avoiding the drop. I believe it is unfair to Judge GH at any stage before the next 3 windows.
I have written off this season and as long as there are 3 worse teams than us come May i'll be relieved.
It doesn't matter who was brought in in my opinion, given the time/no window to work with/injuries it would be very difficult for anyone.
GH is a decent coach, he may in the end not be the man for the job, but to say he isn't now is ludicrous.
-
A few games away from the end of last season we were fighting Man City & Spurs for fourth place. Now we look a long way behind both teams halfway through the following season.
This is the Villa in a nutshell as Harry Hill might say, I've been watching them since 1959 and have been through this more times than I care to remember. I had a feeling we would get mullered last night and you think you are past caring. But you wake up in the morning avoiding papers, radio and plastic scousers feeling absolutely pissed off.
This is the Villa, we love the club no matter how shite we are, whatever division we are in and whoever manages them and plays for them.
Villa till I die.....
-
Watching the game last night made feel sick in the stomach i couldn't take it we were poor, and i don't want us in a relegation battle i wan't us challenging for the title every year or at least European places.
-
I am 44 and have followed Villa for 45 years of my life having gone to my first game in my Mother's womb.
Like Wet Wet Wet I have been home and away i'm a season ticket holder and have attended all major finals, semis but for the first time in my life tonight i stopped watching a game early. Ok it was only the last 10 mins for a furious strum on the sofa, but am I losing my interest and desire for the club?
Ok were in a bad patch but where is the hope where is the love?
Yes you should support your club through thick and thin but as Jimmy Sommerville said when he was in Bronski Beat 'Tell me whhhhyyyy?'.... we're never going to win anything unless the music we run out to is the Cure's 'Killing an Arab' .... and thats just wrong!!!
I'm in a bad place at the moment
There is a hideous stain on the sofa.
Is anyone else feeling the same?
or" A hundred years"....UTV
-
It's sad to say but the arse is falling out of our season. The drop in attendances has really worried me a lot.
Why is it people's desire seems to have evaporated with MON leaving?
Because he was nowhere near as unpopular as others suggested, either with the players or the fans? And things weren't as bad under him as some would have you believe? Or most importantly, his departure signalled a real difference between how MON and RL (rightly or wrongly) thought the bright future should or could be achieved?
I'd suggest that MON as our manager is now starting to look not quite as bad to some as they said he was. Indeed I've seen a couple of last season's most vociferous MON criticisers already turning on Houllier.
I have nothing against Gerard. He has had stinking luck this season when it comes to injuries and I can't believe this is down to a massive change in training methods or practices. I think he's just been unlucky.
The transfer window will be interesting because clearly some changes need to be made and I'm sure he will do his best to make them. But I would agree with an earlier poster's concern at Cuellar's continued absence from the side (and Dunne, Warnock and Luke Young's continued inclusion). I think Carlos will be off at Christmas, while right now, I'd prefer him at right-back and a more defensive than he currently is Luke Young at left-back.
-
A few games away from the end of last season we were fighting Man City & Spurs for fourth place. Now we look a long way behind both teams halfway through the following season.
This is the Villa in a nutshell as Harry Hill might say, I've been watching them since 1959 and have been through this more times than I care to remember. I had a feeling we would get mullered last night and you think you are past caring. But you wake up in the morning avoiding papers, radio and plastic scousers feeling absolutely pissed off.
This is the Villa, we love the club no matter how shite we are, whatever division we are in and whoever manages them and plays for them.
Good post --sums things up perfectly!!!!
-
You never lose the desire. I'm sitting in a delayed and overcrowded train in Liverpool making arrangements for the West Brom game and last night in the pub Dave Clark Five, villajk, supertommyknibba and I were deciding where to meet at Wigan. You don't give up on a team you've supported all your life. But I really do wonder where we go from here. This is definitely the low point of the season, worse than Newcastle when we didn't have a proper manager, and on the present form it's hard to see us getting much from the next 2 games, quite apart from Spurs, Citeh and Chelsea. It's going to be a tough season and we could well be in the bottom 3 in January (and out of another cup). Despite all this, Villa are our team and we won't give up on them. They're in our blood.
-
We'll win the next three games.
-
We'll win the next three games.
thats the spirit! UTV
-
frank
"Despite all this, Villa are our team and we won't give up on them. They're in our blood."
Spot on Villa till i die
-
If you lose interest because of the state of the game generally with obscene wages, Sky twats, diving, cheats etc I can understand that.
But I can never understand losing interest because we are shite, which to some extent right now is probably the way we are feeling about the Villa.
Im lucky that I was introduced to Villa in 1966, we were definetely shite then but it was to get a whole whole lot worse during my formative years. After that, winning anything ( an individual game, a third division, a league cup here and there, a European cup) was just a bonus on top of main pleasure which was to know that I was a Villa fan and thats the way to stay.
-
I'm currently at the stage of thinking is it worth me putting my two boys through this kind of shit? My weekends are regularly ruined and there is little hope of winning any silverware in the Sky era. Football has become an entertainment.
Except when you're watching Villa.
Exactly, were easily the worst club to watch at the moment
-
I can understand people falling out of love with football, with the costs, value for money, grossly overpaid players, the hype, and all the marketing/commercial twats that treat it as a product and not a sport...
but I will never understand anyone losing their desire for their club - whichever club it may be.
Do you not think fans of other clubs have had to put up with what we're suffering now. Most have gone through much worse.
Get a grip.
As we used the shout when the odds were against us... "All the Villa... Stick together!"
-
Do you not think fans of other clubs have had to put up with what we're suffering now. Most have gone through much worse.
Including us on several occasions.
-
the thing is we have been through this before and now have the players who have been top 6 and playing good football. everyone is annoyed because we have gone backwards.
-
the thing is we have been through this before and now have the players who have been top 6 and playing good football. everyone is annoyed because we have gone backwards.
Like that's never happened before, and with less justification than this season.
-
the thing is we have been through this before and now have the players who have been top 6 and playing good football. everyone is annoyed because we have gone backwards.
If Houllier had everyone available and we were on this run of bad form, I would be just as concerned as you.
The fact is he hasn't and until he has everyone back and fit, then I think the the time to judge him is then, not now.
-
I started losing my desire last season. There were games ( Bolton was the first) where despite having a season ticket, I could not face sitting there watching the poor football we were playing and ending up with a draw. It was mainly this reason ( and the fact with Europe we would have very few Saturday games ) that I didn't renew my season ticket.
My hopes were raised when we got Houllier and I was telling people I'd consider getting a half season ticket, especially when we went out of Europe.
However I am genuinely now worried about relegation. While Houllier does appear to be able to make changes during a game that Mon couldn't /wouldn't, the fact he is leaving our two centre halves in the team beggars belief at the moment. If Cuellar is fit he must play and if he thinks Clarke is good enough for midfield he must be good enough for defence?
I very sadly, but accurately told my Liverpool supporting mate last night that with our defence they would score at least three whilst I couldn't see us scoring. It's depressing that I was that sure about the result (and the fact I didn't have a bet!)
So I hate to say it but I have lost the desire at the moment too!! I hate to be negative about the one thing I have loved all my life (well mum and dad apart) but it's just the way I feel. I don't like it !!
Me and VCTM jnr miss you too !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I miss you more xx
-
the thing is we have been through this before and now have the players who have been top 6 and playing good football. everyone is annoyed because we have gone backwards.
If Houllier had everyone available and we were on this run of bad form, I would be just as concerned as you.
The fact is he hasn't and until he has everyone back and fit, then I think the the time to judge him is then, not now.
Whilst i take your point, even with the players we have had out, we really should be taking at least a point against a poor Liverpool team, Blackburn and getting something against a Small Heath side who have two of the worst strikers in the Premiership.
-
Had to make do with internet/radio last night. I'll admit there was more interest in Corrie in this house last night. I'll be there on Saturday though.
-
we have been through alot worse! we was always goner have to right this season off or at least the first half but that was painful viewing last nite.....keep the faith!!!!