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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Salsa Party Animal on December 06, 2010, 10:13:42 PM
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Just an opinion poll to see what the fans are feeling about our manager.
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GO NOW BEFORE YOU DRAG OUR TEAM DOWN PLEASSEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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I can't decide. I was never worried until tonight.
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While this is not good enough at the moment he needs to know it cannot carry on. Yes we have injuries at the moment but the defence is the first choice one and 3 of them are woeful. The same defence that was so good last year!!
I would not get rid of Houllier as he has inherited a squad in disarray and had the worst injury spell I can ever remember. But something needs to be done or we will be in freefall
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Give him till after the end of the season, assuming some money to spend in the transfer window. If we look a bit better give him another season (and two transfer windows).
If we get rapidly worse though we might have to dismiss him quicker in the hope of sparking the team into life and avoiding relegation.
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I see no point in sacking him. That was atrocious, but I stand by what I said before he has to be given the chance to stamp his authority on the team.
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Oops he just thanked the Liverpool fans and said nothing about the Villa fans on Sky :(
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I see no point in sacking him. That was atrocious, but I stand by what I said before he has to be given the chance to stamp his authority on the team.
Stamp what, bottom 3????
That team better than that. He is fucking awful
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I will defend Houllier over his lack of choice with injuries but i will not have yet another manager coming to Villa living in the past.
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Do nothing for now, He needs to be given time and if board think he's not the man sack him now before he spends the clubs money on shit
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I see no point in sacking him. That was atrocious, but I stand by what I said before he has to be given the chance to stamp his authority on the team.
Stamp what, bottom 3????
That team better than that. He is fucking awful
I'm not remotely happy with this performance, don't get me wrong. I just don't think sacking him now will do any good.
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What month did Redknapp join Spurs after they ditched Ramos? 'Cos a pre-Christmas change CAN work wonders. I'm undecided as to what I want to happen.
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What era? Give the bloke a chance.
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I'd give him a row for his behaviour towards the Liverpool fans compared to ours.
I was pissed off before with him wondering round like a tourist before I found out about him waving at their fans.
When I say row I mean an almighty row.
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What era? Give the bloke a chance.
Exactly. It shouldn't be forgotten that the player's also have their role in this 'performance' tonight.
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He doesn't seem to believe in villa the way he should.
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The era is over. these are going to be a painful few weeks - vote of confidence etc before the needful is done.
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When we were first linked with Houllier, I thought it was some sick joke..just like some of the other names we were linked with....
C'mon Allardyce, come and save us!
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we're all disappointed at the result, and angered at his comments in light of the defeat. But to call three months an era is ridiculous. I want him to explain those comments given what we all just witnessed. If anything he needs some tact and sensitivity training. I still want to give him time to prove himself but he isn't helping matters by some of things he says.
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It might not be an era, but he is in danger of ending an era of Villa in the Premiership.
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There are people that still think that Houllier is a better manager than O'Neill. I am not one of them. Our club is dying in front of our eyes and Houllier is smiling. Where is his passion??
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If a thread pops up on some SHA forum entitled "Aston Villa...the gift that keeps on giving", I shall select the 'get rid' option for M. Houllier.
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Sack the useless twit now and get Jol in before it's too late. Please Randy!!!!!!!!!!
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No wonder D'ohleary called us all fickle.
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It seems a bit extreme and it wont happen but I think we would save ourselves a lot of grief by cutting our losses now.
I'm not being fickle, I never wanted him in the first place. I've been doing my best to keep quiet as I believe everyone deserves a chance etc., but........
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It seems a bit extreme and it wont happen but I think we would save ourselves a lot of grief by cutting our losses now.
I'm not being fickle, I never wanted him in the first place. I've been doing my best to keep quiet as I believe everyone deserves a chance etc., but........
I don't think we can be accused of being fickle the comments are there on tape for all to see.Any other football fan of any team would feel the same.He deserves the sack he has turned us into a laughing stock
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He looks like a tired old man who shouldn't be out in the cold
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I will defend Houllier over his lack of choice with injuries but i will not have yet another manager coming to Villa living in the past.
my feelings
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It seems a bit extreme and it wont happen but I think we would save ourselves a lot of grief by cutting our losses now.
I'm not being fickle, I never wanted him in the first place. I've been doing my best to keep quiet as I believe everyone deserves a chance etc., but........
I don't think we can be accused of being fickle the comments are there on tape for all to see.Any other football fan of any team would feel the same.He deserves the sack he has turned us into a laughing stock
Some quotes plucked from the Man U post match thread 3 weeks ago at random amongst 300 such posts.
“Really proud of the side today, Houllier deserves a lot of credit for having faith in the youngsters without bleating about the number of injuries”
“Great performance especially in the 2nd half----thought the young guns were superb,Bannan and Supa Marc awesome”
“I am proud of the lad's today they were a joy to watch brilliant.”
“Fucking wonderful, for 30 minutes after half time our yoofs tore Manure a new arsehole, wonderful stuff.”
“It was a performance we can all be proud of.”
“I am feeling the love for the Villa tonight. It is good”
“Extremely proud of the performance today.”
“The future's bright without a doubt ..................”
“I had written this season off before it even started. But now I reckon I was wrong.”
Not fickle? Hot Dog!!!!!
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Nice work, E I Adio. Shame you didn't attribute the quotes to those concerned tho. That would have made even more interesting reading.
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It seems a bit extreme and it wont happen but I think we would save ourselves a lot of grief by cutting our losses now.
I'm not being fickle, I never wanted him in the first place. I've been doing my best to keep quiet as I believe everyone deserves a chance etc., but........
I don't think we can be accused of being fickle the comments are there on tape for all to see.Any other football fan of any team would feel the same.He deserves the sack he has turned us into a laughing stock
Some quotes plucked from the Man U post match thread 3 weeks ago at random amongst 300 such posts.
“Really proud of the side today, Houllier deserves a lot of credit for having faith in the youngsters without bleating about the number of injuries”
“Great performance especially in the 2nd half----thought the young guns were superb,Bannan and Supa Marc awesome”
“I am proud of the lad's today they were a joy to watch brilliant.”
“Fucking wonderful, for 30 minutes after half time our yoofs tore Manure a new arsehole, wonderful stuff.”
“It was a performance we can all be proud of.”
“I am feeling the love for the Villa tonight. It is good”
“Extremely proud of the performance today.”
“The future's bright without a doubt ..................”
“I had written this season off before it even started. But now I reckon I was wrong.”
Not fickle? Hot Dog!!!!!
I can deal with the poor performance;but not the lack of respect for my club.If that makes me fickle I don't give a shit
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The perfomance against Man U was excellent and was rightly praised.
Since then performances have been at best mediocre (blackburn and blose) and at worst diabolical (arsenal and last night)
Add to that the comments made and the pathetic body language of our manager last night.
It's no suprise opinions have changed.
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I've gone for slapped arse and never disrespect the club and fans regardless of how much you 'respect' Liverpool or any other team for that matter (in the unlikely event of us getting back into Europe any time soon I don't want to hear how nice it is to lose to Lyon for example). I'm still prepared to reserve judgement until we've got our players back from injury and seen what he does in the transfer window.
The lack of fight and those post-match comments have got me wobbling a bit though.
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The managers in the relegation battle make interesting reading really, especially for those who wanted the likes of Moyes, Grant and Hughes to take us on. Wonder where they would be this season with the injury list Villa have.
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You have to question his desire. From the start he didn't appear to be chomping at the bit did he. Serving out his notice with the French FA, not exactly busting a gut to get into his new job was it?
I see no hunger in his eyes or no sense of urgency....just a cold man looking clueless as he reminisces fondly of days gone by.
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Feels like GT mk. 2.
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What on earth do you think another manager could do with what he would find here? Most of the blame for the situation in which we find ourselves should be laid at O'Neill's door for the despicable and unprofessional way in which he chose to leave the club, high and dry at the very beginning of the season when every other club would have been assessing the lessons drawn from their pre-season friendlies and settling down to play their first matches.
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Realistically you can't judge him properly without a transfer window and ideally a close season behind him. But I think he's starting to make a rod for his own (and Randy's) back with some of his PR cock ups and general demeanour. I think he could benefit from the sort of lecture on fan relations that MON presumably got a few times.
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Feels like GT mk. 2.
Thinking about it this morning, the talking down of the club, the gross insensitivity, the yearning for days (and a club) gone by, he seems to be making the same mistakes as O'Leary.
I can see what he is trying to do on the pitch, and you can not ignore the injury crisis and the time needed to bed in, but these are things he can do little about at the moment.
Touching the Anfield sign, ignoring our fans and waving at the Kop, saying if he has to lose 3-0 he'd prefer it to be Liverpool, suggesting the game was dead after 2 goals and 20 minutes, saying "well done Liverpool" ... all of these are things that he did not have to do, and come after previous episodes which have caused raised eyebrows.
It's a little bit humiliating, and - annoyingly - these are all entirely avoidable things.
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its like he was always looking forward to going back to anfield. so basically lerner is paying that twat all that money so he can touch the fucking anfield sign !!
PRICK !!
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Give him a transfer window to sort it out!
...on second thoughts, see:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2379527/Gerard-Houllier-transfer-history.html
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What on earth do you think another manager could do with what he would find here? Most of the blame for the situation in which we find ourselves should be laid at O'Neill's door
That argument is slowly losing all credibility.
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Feels like GT mk. 2.
GT at least loved and respected the club.
Does this geezer?
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Tough to sack him as he hasn't had a fair crack- however his conduct last night was utterly deplorable and he's lost a lot of the fans which spells trouble.
It takes a brave man to admit he was wrong as spurs did with ramos and Pompey did with perrin , but in the light of jols availability I would not be adverse to seeing jol as manager and houllier as director of football, if the board have doubts about houllier they must act before januarys transfer window.
Until yesterday I was fully behind him but I find his behaviour last night hard to tolerate in all honesty and it leaves a nasty taste.
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No wonder D'ohleary called us all fickle.
^ This ..
He should be brought to task regarding tthe "issues" on and off the pitch, but for Gods sake, we ain't Newcastle
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I say give him time let's see what he does in the transfer window like other's have said if we bring someone else in they are still going to have the same player's to chose from.
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We've got to give him time, we were incapable of bringing in anyone better before hand, what has changed.
I just don't know what he is trying to get the team to do, we seem to holding onto the ball more at the back, being closed down, and then panicking to give the ball away., is that tactical or just no-one is running into space to give us an out ball.
Petrov always used to collect the ball from the back, and then didn't give the ball away, is that what we are lacking ?
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I think what has changed bosco is the fact that martin jol is now available- if not I doubt there would be as much discussion on the subject - but also houlliers behaviour last night has alienated a lot of fans- if you lose the fans you are fucked in this game!
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The point is, if Martin Jol is the choice, why wasn't he pursued in August.
I don't have much faith in Paul Faulkner and the board when it comes to footballing matters at present.
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I think time has to be given. If we lose the next 2 we are in deep, deep trouble. Win them and mid table for the season is the path. There was no coherant plan forward under Saint Martin, and after 10 weeks or so I don't expect Houllier to be pulling up trees, especially with literally no central midfield players fit for the last few games. Take out ALL of the central midfield of Chelsea and they have won 1 in 5 in the league FFS. It is the most vital position on the park, and Bannan and Hogg have done ok, but are kids in a roll where you need some experience. Last night was pathetic, but the senior pros, Dunne, Warnock, Luke Young, Brad Freidel, all need to have a long hard look at themselves. Get Reo Coker and Bannan together in that midfield at the weekend then we will beat Albion I am sure. Give him time, a couple of windows to get his own men, and take a breath. Sacking him now would be pointless and the new guy would have the same troubles.
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Seems a bit daft that we have a seven page thread taking the piss out of Newcastle for chucking out Houghton at this stage of the season yet half of us want GH sacked for amassing just two fewer points.
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Seems a bit daft that we have a seven page thread taking the piss out of Newcastle for chucking out Houghton at this stage of the season yet half of us want GH sacked for amassing just two fewer points.
Well said.
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Do Managers normally have a probation period to get through ?
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I think time has to be given. If we lose the next 2 we are in deep, deep trouble. Win them and mid table for the season is the path. There was no coherant plan forward under Saint Martin, and after 10 weeks or so I don't expect Houllier to be pulling up trees, especially with literally no central midfield players fit for the last few games. Take out ALL of the central midfield of Chelsea and they have won 1 in 5 in the league FFS. It is the most vital position on the park, and Bannan and Hogg have done ok, but are kids in a roll where you need some experience. Last night was pathetic, but the senior pros, Dunne, Warnock, Luke Young, Brad Freidel, all need to have a long hard look at themselves. Get Reo Coker and Bannan together in that midfield at the weekend then we will beat Albion I am sure. Give him time, a couple of windows to get his own men, and take a breath. Sacking him now would be pointless and the new guy would have the same troubles.
Pointless is exactly right. Do people realise that Randy is in charge and not Mike Ashley? I'm shocked that so many people want a guy sacked after he's had no chance to build his own team and had to deal with the worst injury crisis we've seen for years.
Personally, I'm happy with the passing football they are trying to achieve but we just don't have the correct players at the moment. Obviously january can't come quick enough but I still have full confidence in Ged and co to turn this around and Randy will certainly give him the chance to do so.
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I don't expect Houllier to be pulling up trees, especially with literally no central midfield players fit for the last few games. Take out ALL of the central midfield of Chelsea and they have won 1 in 5 in the league FFS. It is the most vital position on the park, and Bannan and Hogg have done ok, but are kids in a roll where you need some experience.
This is an important point. Lucas and Meireles aren't Xavi and Iniesta, but they are experienced Premier League players with caps for their countries. I think the match would have looked different if we had Reo-Coker, Petrov, Delph, Sidwell or Bannan available (yes, we were probably playing with our sixth and seventh choice in central midfield yesterday).
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Seems a bit daft that we have a seven page thread taking the piss out of Newcastle for chucking out Houghton at this stage of the season yet half of us want GH sacked for amassing just two fewer points.
Apparently we all speak with One Voice. (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/12/07/the-fans-speak-in-one-clear-loud-voice-avfc/)
I can't believe some of the comments. Worse feeling ever?
Jesus H Ronnie Corbett on a bike!
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Apparently we all speak with One Voice. (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/12/07/the-fans-speak-in-one-clear-loud-voice-avfc/)
Which prick compilled that load of selective bollocks?
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Apparently we all speak with One Voice. (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/12/07/the-fans-speak-in-one-clear-loud-voice-avfc/)
Which prick compilled that load of selective bollocks?
Selective being the operative word.
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Maybe the selector of bollocks could tell us who he would appoint, provided they would be willing to join a club who sack a manager after three months.
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Apparently we all speak with One Voice. (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/12/07/the-fans-speak-in-one-clear-loud-voice-avfc/)
Which prick compilled that load of selective bollocks?
If it's on teh internet, about Villa and is a load of bollocks it cna only be oen preson really.
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When did 54% become a vast majority anyway?
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Maybe the selector of bollocks could tell us who he would appoint, provided they would be willing to join a club who sack a manager after three months.
Are you suggesting no manager worth his wages would join the Villa. Are you saying there is not a manager out there who could motivate and at least generate some passion in our poor squad.
Do you think Houllier will.
I'm no fan of sacking managers quickly, but sometimes, you have to re-evaluate your decision and for now Houllier doesn't look like he's able to do much other than dream of times past.
RL isn't renowned for moving managers on in any of his clubs, but sometimes needs must.
I wonder if he'll get the dreaded Vote of confidence from the Board this week.
He's certainly got it full on from the fans and they can't all be wrong. If he is going to turn it around, he'd better come up with something fast or it will be too late.
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I like how 11% bothered to vote despite being in the don't know camp.
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If you go back about twenty pages, you'll see the majority opinion when he arrived was "he's the best of a terrible list of candidates." Randy should have had the nerve to wait and given KMac the job untill someone became available....
It was my view then...and is now...
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No wonder D'ohleary called us all fickle.
After 2 wins in 12 (Burnley and Blackpool reserves) what do you expect?
Polite applause?
If Houllier has been here for say 2 seasons he would have been sacked with that record.
I know Gerard just put Carew and Pires on that will really shit them up.......
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If you go back about twenty pages, you'll see the majority opinion when he arrived was "he's the best of a terrible list of candidates." Randy should have had the nerve to wait and given KMac the job untill someone became available....
It was my view then...and is now...
if kev mac was still in charge now i think we would probably be in the relegation zone now!
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No wonder D'ohleary called us all fickle.
After 2 wins in 12 (Burnley and Blackpool reserves) what do you expect?
Polite applause?
If Houllier has been here for say 2 seasons he would have been sacked with that record.
I know Gerard just put Carew and Pires on that will really shit them up.......
Is sacking a manager after 10 games with an injury list as long as your arm and no opportunity to make signings really the way to go.
I'd got serious reservations when he turned up but now he's here we need to get behind him.
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if we got rid of the manager now, after a few games and no transfer window, we'd be a bigger laughing stock than Newcastle.
results havent been great, and performances mixed, but i'm still not worried about relegation yet, i still think we are good enough for a top half finish
i actually like GH, and think we will just have to get used to his quirky ways and the stuff he says,
i would even prefer him to Joll, who for me is probably the most overhyped manager around at the moment,
lets see how he gets on st Newcastle, if thats where he goes, and see if w'ed still swop them come the end of the season.
the only question mark i have about GH, is does he still have the appetite for the managment game, and more specifically for Villa, if he does, then i'm prepared to back hin, if not then obviously we/he made a mistake
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If Randy wants to preserve his investment remedial action is required - relegation would be a disaster! He looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights at present and his nauseating Liverpool love in last night convinced me he doesn't have the appetite for the job. Move him on and get Jol in, in an effort to salvage the season.
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And if Jol doesn't want to join us, so we're left with no manager at all?
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Move him on and get Jol in, in an effort to salvage the season
Can somebody tell me one thing about Jol that would convince me that he could do a job at Villa?
Other than the fact that he isn't Houllier
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if we got rid of the manager now, after a few games and no transfer window, we'd be a bigger laughing stock than Newcastle.
results havent been great, and performances mixed, but i'm still not worried about relegation yet, i still think we are good enough for a top half finish
i actually like GH, and think we will just have to get used to his quirky ways and the stuff he says,
i would even prefer him to Joll, who for me is probably the most overhyped manager around at the moment,
lets see how he gets on st Newcastle, if thats where he goes, and see if w'ed still swop them come the end of the season.
the only question mark i have about GH, is does he still have the appetite for the managment game, and more specifically for Villa, if he does, then i'm prepared to back hin, if not then obviously we/he made a mistake
I agree with that. The only bit I'd doubt is the relegation battle bit but even then if we can get a win any win then things will start to change.
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If Jol were offered the job and declined - make Kmac caretaker until next season ( results can't deteriorate from here...) and use that time to recruit a top notch manager.
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Sacking him now will make us look like cants. Give him the next window to make a decent fist of signing players more suited to his style of play (preferably of the younger variety with a decent resale value if it all goes tits up) wait until we get the likes of Petrov and NRC back and see.
Hopefully we can at least get through until the end of the season and then reassess.
If we're still in a similar (or worse) position in March though matters might need to come to a head.
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No wonder D'ohleary called us all fickle.
After 2 wins in 12 (Burnley and Blackpool reserves) what do you expect?
Polite applause?
If Houllier has been here for say 2 seasons he would have been sacked with that record.
I know Gerard just put Carew and Pires on that will really shit them up.......
Is sacking a manager after 10 games with an injury list as long as your arm and no opportunity to make signings really the way to go.
I'd got serious reservations when he turned up but now he's here we need to get behind him.
Spot on. On a positive note regarding last night I would say that I thought the sub he made at half time was the right one and almost got us back in the game before the 3rd knocked the stuffing out of us. I would never have expected O'Neill to make a sub in that situation.
Having said that, the worrying thing I took from last night was the feeling that some of the senior MON favourite XI boys are not trying for Ged. Some of those hoof balls from Collins and Dunne last night smacked of protest at being told play our new style because they are bloody useless with a ball at their feet.
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Is sacking a manager after 10 games with an injury list as long as your arm and no opportunity to make signings really the way to go.
Nope
check Martin Jol's results after the first 10 games of the season when Spurs sacked him. They won 1 game ( against Derby).
So we'd be sacking a manager and replacing him with somebody who's most recent record in the premier league is worse?
And Ajax fans really don't like him.
Some people are mad
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Is sacking a manager after 10 games with an injury list as long as your arm and no opportunity to make signings really the way to go.
Nope
check Martin Jol's results after the first 10 games of the season when Spurs sacked him. They won 1 game ( against Derby).
So we'd be sacking a manager and replacing him with somebody who's most recent record in the premier league is worse?
And Ajax fans really don't like him.
Some people are mad
and the size of his head is so massive, we would have to enlarge the dug out at considerable cost,
its even bigger in circumference than Joe Royle's gigantic face
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You have to question his desire. From the start he didn't appear to be chomping at the bit did he. "Serving out his notice with the French FA, not exactly busting a gut to get into his new job was it? "
I'd like to state now that i'm not for or against Houllier i'm choosing to reserve joudgement until he's got everyone back from injury and time to change to change things in january.
But this quote is stupid as he had no choice as the French Football Federation could of forced him to serve the 3 month notice so he had to keep them sweet, if he hadn't and he'd breached that contract, now i'm no expert but i'd guess the French Football Federation could of taken Houllier to court for breaching that contract. That distration wouldn't be helpful, we've also had a bad start to the season which was caused by o'neil walking out 5 days before and it's not gonna be quick coming back from that, but as i said i'm reserving judgement because of all of those factors.
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Is sacking a manager after 10 games with an injury list as long as your arm and no opportunity to make signings really the way to go.
Nope
check Martin Jol's results after the first 10 games of the season when Spurs sacked him. They won 1 game ( against Derby).
So we'd be sacking a manager and replacing him with somebody who's most recent record in the premier league is worse?
And Ajax fans really don't like him.
Some people are mad
and the size of his head is so massive, we would have to enlarge the dug out at considerable cost,
its even bigger in circumference than Joe Royle's gigantic face
Quite right John, and he bears more than a passing resemblance to the rag's "Beau Brummie" bulldog.
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2 months is not an "era" and I really can't believe some threads here.
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Maybe we could start a vote in the Memories section on David Unsworth's era as a Villa player.
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2 months is not an "era" and I really can't believe some threads here.
Me neither. Some people are acting like spoilt kids. The issues are there to be talked about, but some of the stuff that has been banded around is quite unbelievable. If this was a run 2 years down the line, then maybe we should be questioning The Manager, but 2 fecking months for Gods sake.
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no point in sacking him who else is there? lets see wot he buys january
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What a bunch of fucking pricks:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/We-want-Houllier-out/108837285854775?v=wall
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You have to question his desire. From the start he didn't appear to be chomping at the bit did he. "Serving out his notice with the French FA, not exactly busting a gut to get into his new job was it? "
I'd like to state now that i'm not for or against Houllier i'm choosing to reserve joudgement until he's got everyone back from injury and time to change to change things in january.
But this quote is stupid as he had no choice as the French Football Federation could of forced him to serve the 3 month notice so he had to keep them sweet, if he hadn't and he'd breached that contract, now i'm no expert but i'd guess the French Football Federation could of taken Houllier to court for breaching that contract. That distration wouldn't be helpful, we've also had a bad start to the season which was caused by o'neil walking out 5 days before and it's not gonna be quick coming back from that, but as i said i'm reserving judgement because of all of those factors.
We are not talking your normal employment procedure here, this is football it doesn't work the same. So what if they took him to court and he/the club got a fine. It wouldn't have been mega bucks. For all his talk about this been the right club for him blah blah I have seen nothing yet that has made me think his heart is really in it and last night proved that point even further.
I don't want him out just yet as he needs more time but lack lustre performances like last night combined with his behaviour gives me the feeling that he's not that bothered about the job.
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You have to question his desire. From the start he didn't appear to be chomping at the bit did he. "Serving out his notice with the French FA, not exactly busting a gut to get into his new job was it? "
I'd like to state now that i'm not for or against Houllier i'm choosing to reserve joudgement until he's got everyone back from injury and time to change to change things in january.
But this quote is stupid as he had no choice as the French Football Federation could of forced him to serve the 3 month notice so he had to keep them sweet, if he hadn't and he'd breached that contract, now i'm no expert but i'd guess the French Football Federation could of taken Houllier to court for breaching that contract. That distration wouldn't be helpful, we've also had a bad start to the season which was caused by o'neil walking out 5 days before and it's not gonna be quick coming back from that, but as i said i'm reserving judgement because of all of those factors.
We are not talking your normal employment procedure here, this is football it doesn't work the same. So what if they took him to court and he/the club got a fine. It wouldn't have been mega bucks. For all his talk about this been the right club for him blah blah I have seen nothing yet that has made me think his heart is really in it and last night proved that point even further.
I don't want him out just yet as he needs more time but lack lustre performances like last night combined with his behaviour gives me the feeling that he's not that bothered about the job.
i think you'll find the employment lawyers will disagree with you regarding the employment procedure, i agree it may be different for a player or managers job but you got to remember his role was more of a office job.
yes it was bad last night but it wasn't 5:0 or 7:1. Oh and atleast he had to bottle to apologise for his comments which is something o'neil wouldn't have done whether he'd been told to or not.