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Title: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: Lucky Eddie on December 05, 2010, 03:05:30 PM
Works for Milan (as far as I know).

Both clubs having a 'home' end, a red end one side of the park and a blue end on the other side of the park - why on earth don't the scouse clubs 'pool' [if you'll excuse the pun] resources and get themselves the biggest stadium in Britain to charge fifteen - twenty quid for the working [or non working] man along with a large corporate offering  and compete with the mancs and the cockneys.

Is there any other way forward for these two great clubs? Our nearest rivals in my opinion.

Please share your opinions or provide a suitable title for a mersey super stadia.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: Mark H on December 05, 2010, 03:08:11 PM
A stadium for both a home for neither .....
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: TheSandman on December 05, 2010, 03:08:41 PM
It would have to be called San Giro (Groans from the Gallery).

It's a good idea and indeed I recall someone suggesting it a while back in one of the numerous have a laugh at Liverpool threads. It is the best option BUT people at both clubs seem to be unwilling to do it. I also don't expect the fans will like it.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: bertlambshank on December 05, 2010, 03:49:43 PM
It would have to be called San Giro (Groans from the Gallery).

It's a good idea and indeed I recall someone suggesting it a while back in one of the numerous have a laugh at Liverpool threads. It is the best option BUT people at both clubs seem to be unwilling to do it. I also don't expect the fans will like it.
Everton were up for it when Liverpool got planning permisson and the toffee's didn't.From what I remember the Red scouse told them to do one.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 05, 2010, 03:58:40 PM
I think Man U fans have already come up with all the potential names for Liverpool's new ground. Stanley Knife Stadium and San Giro were two I remember.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: burtonreferees on December 05, 2010, 04:18:25 PM
How many Villa fans would be happy about plans to build a stadium to incorporate Blues and Villa?
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: Pete3206 on December 05, 2010, 04:24:18 PM
Not many.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: JJ-AV on December 05, 2010, 04:28:05 PM
Imagine the toilets.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: flybo on December 05, 2010, 05:04:23 PM
How many Villa fans would be happy about plans to build a stadium to incorporate Blues and Villa?
NEVER
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: TimTheVillain on December 05, 2010, 05:11:21 PM
Instead of 'This is Anfield' ............

'Calm Down, Calm Down'



Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: TopDeck113 on December 05, 2010, 05:27:12 PM
In most two-club English cities there are still distinct geographical districts in which the clubs are based and from which they draw their support.  About the one exception is the city of Liverpool.  Therefore if a shared stadium was to work anywhere, it would have to be with Liverpool-Everton.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 05, 2010, 06:07:49 PM
Forest-County are only next door to each other too.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: TopDeck113 on December 05, 2010, 06:14:58 PM
That's another good example.  Did I read somewhere recently that Forest are contemplating a move away from the City Ground?
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: The Man With A Stick on December 05, 2010, 06:44:04 PM
That's another good example.  Did I read somewhere recently that Forest are contemplating a move away from the City Ground?

Only if we got the World Cup, I think.  They were on about building the biggest ground in the Midlands, I think they're just going to redevelop the City Ground now.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: CJ on December 05, 2010, 09:21:42 PM
The only place I've seen this work is in Munich - where Bayern and TSV share the Allianz Arena. I went past it a few years ago - absolutely amazing sight - TSV were at home so it was all lit in blue.  When Bayern are at home it is lit in red. Don't know what the relationship between the two teams/fans was like prior to the ground share but I really can't see it working here because of the entrenched animosity between the supporters.  For the same reason I could never see us sharing a ground with Bloose.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: Chris Harte on December 05, 2010, 10:38:40 PM
How many Villa fans would be happy about plans to build a stadium to incorporate Blues and Villa?
This is what occurred to me when I saw the thread title.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on December 05, 2010, 10:49:19 PM
How many Villa fans would be happy about plans to build a stadium to incorporate Blues and Villa?



If that ever happened (which it won't) then I will never step foot in it.  Wouldn't be the only one either.
This is what occurred to me when I saw the thread title.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 05, 2010, 11:24:43 PM
I'm probably on my own here but if we needed to leave Villa Park and the Blues needed to leave the Sty then I would like us to share a ground.  You'd effectively be getting it half price.

It's not as if the new ground would have any identity from day one anyway.  This is something that is developed over time.

The location of said stadium would be a nightmare and we don't need to leave Villa Park so it doesn't really matter.

With Everton and Liverpool they live next door to each other and both need new stadiums so to me it is logical.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on December 05, 2010, 11:34:53 PM
I'm probably on my own here but if we needed to leave Villa Park and the Blues needed to leave the Sty then I would like us to share a ground.  You'd effectively be getting it half price.


What does the price have to do with our history and tradition?  Would you really like to us to share a ground with that lot?  I wouldn't want to share a ground with anyone ever but with Small Heath?  To save money?  Let's hope that never becomes an issue.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 05, 2010, 11:54:33 PM
By moving ground we'd effectively be changing our history anyway.  By sharing the ground we'd be able to build a bigger and better stadium.  Wouldn't that be a good thing?

Don't get me wrong its not something I want but hypothetically speaking I would not dismiss the idea in it's entirety.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: D.boy on December 06, 2010, 12:04:59 AM
Policing a derby at a ground shared by Villa & Blose would be impossible. No way would we ground share with them.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: Dave on December 06, 2010, 12:27:42 AM
Policing a derby at a ground shared by Villa & Blose would be impossible. No way would we ground share with them.
This might seem like a silly question, but why would it be any different to how it is now?

The 'away' fans would be in the away end and would presumably be policed as if they were in the away end of Villa Park or St. Andrews, no?
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: Somniloquism on December 06, 2010, 12:39:49 AM
Apart from the toilets we also have the issues that the lot down the road like to smash up their own ground and also ours so they will have no problem wrecking the place every week if we ground shared as it will be a knock against us as we would be home the following week.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: amfy on December 06, 2010, 07:55:24 AM
Apart from the toilets we also have the issues that the lot down the road like to smash up their own ground and also ours so they will have no problem wrecking the place every week if we ground shared as it will be a knock against us as we would be home the following week.

So do I take it that Spurs had no seats or toilets on Saturday? I have to admit I was wondering how easy it would have been to replace all those seats in a couple of days but I am guessing that they did it - and that the toilets were fixed too. The OP refers to a red and and a blue end of the ground in Liverpool anyway.

Everton/Liverpool is very different to Villa/Blues. I think Everton were actually the original inhabitants of Anfield before moving across the park (I may have made that up because I have no idea where I heard that - but anyway - the 2 grounds are very close), yet current plans have Liverpool taking over Stanley Park whilst Everton still search for a home somewhere miles away. A shared ground would be very close to where both Goodison and Anfield are now. The stadium would be built with the blue end on the side of the park where Goodison now is, and the red end facing the old Anfield. The "home for neither" might apply anywhere else, but here it is Everton's best bet for getting a ground that still holds some of their history. Liverpool are sitting pretty in the current situation because they've got Stanley Park so of course they'll tell Everton to forget it. However, the longer Liverpool don't have the money to build it, whilst their competitiors pull in more money to compete with in their bigger grounds, the more likely this becomes.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: Chris Harte on December 06, 2010, 08:15:40 AM
Policing a derby at a ground shared by Villa & Blose would be impossible. No way would we ground share with them.
I wonder how they do it in Milan.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: Somniloquism on December 06, 2010, 08:20:48 AM
Apart from the toilets we also have the issues that the lot down the road like to smash up their own ground and also ours so they will have no problem wrecking the place every week if we ground shared as it will be a knock against us as we would be home the following week.

So do I take it that Spurs had no seats or toilets on Saturday? I have to admit I was wondering how easy it would have been to replace all those seats in a couple of days but I am guessing that they did it - and that the toilets were fixed too. The OP refers to a red and and a blue end of the ground in Liverpool anyway.


I'm not saying they wouldn't have been fixed before the next match but it could be expensive. Even with a Villa and Blues home end there would be some sharing of seats otherwise the stadium would be half empty most weeks as we wouldn't give other away fans half the stadium.

But they smashed up their ground when they got relegated and were lobbing bits of it at coppers last week after they won so they have no qualms about wrecking a shared joint.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: Chris Harte on December 06, 2010, 08:26:47 AM
Not that I'd be in favour of it ever happening but surely the way to avoid churlish stuff like the bogs being wrecked is to have a Holte End behind one goal, a Tilton behind the other, and the two stands down the sides have two pairs of concourses underneath - one for each club, with their own branding, bars and bogs - with Villa's concourse closed off when the filth have a home game and vice-versa.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: UK Redsox on December 06, 2010, 08:34:47 AM
How many Villa fans would be happy about plans to build a stadium to incorporate Blues and Villa?

Raises hand.

Fine by me
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: darren woolley on December 06, 2010, 09:30:03 AM
No way would i want to share with them i love us being at Villa Park and i guess Liverpool and Everton feel the same about sharing they want there own stadiums.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2010, 09:31:18 AM
It would be fine by me.

But I'd hope they could include retractable stands, so when they're at home they can put one or two away.
Title: Re: 0% Villa - Stanley Park New Scouse Stadium
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 06, 2010, 10:43:09 AM
I can't believe I'm reading that some on here would be willing to give up Villa Park for a new ground and then share that new ground with our neighbours. 

Have you lost your sense of tradition and history?  Does Villa Park mean that much to you that you can so easily dismiss it in favour of some short term monetary gain?

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