Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Archie on November 27, 2010, 08:45:39 AM
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I have always been very keen on the plain, simple, circular crest that we adopted in the mid Seventies.
(http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/9394/immagine3n.png)
(even if I prefer the darker shade of claret of the AVFC former players association)
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1469/immagine4s.png)
I don't even dislike the simple blue rampant lion that standed out on the 1971 League Cup final shirt.
(http://www.astonvilladirect.com/product_images/large/villa-76640.jpg)
So, I wasn't a great fan of the new crest when it was launched in 2007.
But I must confess that recently, seeing how it stands out on the shirt and the headed notepaper, it is grown on me, I like it.
Making a comparison with the shirt of the previous seasons, I notice that the crest is changed, in a slight but significant way.
Although I haven't read anything about a crest change, I have the impression that the yellow of the lion turned darker and that even the blue of the background of the shield, that was very pale, became of a more intende shade.
These two changes improved our crest very much, imo.
(http://www.premierleague.com/namedImage/10265/PLClubLogo.png)
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Can of worms duly opened!
Wouldn't say I necessarily like the badge, more that i'm just used to seeing it now.
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Little side issue but that shirt is better than anything we've had in my 15 or so years as a supporter, so simple yet much more affective
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I like it now, Was appauled at first but now don't think about it.
I'll never forget the last one however as its tattoo'd on my leg
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I like the new crest but i really liked the old circular one aswell i suppose i do miss the old one but time changes.
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I like the new one. It's clean, fresh and simple. If we can win a few trophies with it on our shirts all the better. I like it that the new crest is all around the ground too especially within the Holte End mosaic.
The one crest that makes me shudder is the striped one that we had previously - it reminds me of Doug Ellis era mediocrity.
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I quite like the new crest, although the round badge is a classic!
As for the shirt i really don't like this years kit! Too many checks! Why we can't stick to a classic plain claret and blue top is beyond me, and we should also never play in claret shorts or claret socks at home! The best kit was the late 70's early 80's. Beautiful away kit too!
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1. It doesn't say "Aston Villa"
2. Crests are for heraldry and cocks. It's a fucking 'badge' for fuck's sake. Who started calling it a crest? A fucking American, I shouldn't wonder. Tsk!
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Irish and Italians call it 'crest', so there.
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Mind you, "Yorke that crest-kissing cock" gives one a pleasing alliterative semi.
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After today's performance, I am riding along on the crest of a wave of mutilation.
Don't get me started on the cowardly lion.
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When it was launched I thought it was pants.
I'm used to it now and I still think it's pants.
Is there a worse badge in the league? (SHA excepted of course)
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1. It doesn't say "Aston Villa"
2. Crests are for heraldry and cocks. It's a fucking 'badge' for fuck's sake. Who started calling it a crest? A fucking American, I shouldn't wonder. Tsk!
I doubt many Americans would call it a "crest" or a "badge". We are generally more concerned with how well the wearer is playing than what to call something sewn on a shirt.
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Well it sure as hell beats the attempt that was on our shirts in 1998/99. That was crap.
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Made this a few months ago, just to see if I could update the old round badge (which I love) & make the new one a bit less...pants. Knowing you lot, you'll hate it.
(http://oi55.tinypic.com/1038y03.jpg)
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I'm not sure that I'd like to return to the old fragmented lion, but your attempt is very nice, mate.
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The current "crest" is simply appalling as a Graphic Design. Yellow Lion on Light blue? Shield shape weak.
Who are AVFC? Aston Villa is our name. "Prepared" as an afterthought. And the proud Star relegated. The solid rather than fragmented Lion is also weak and looks like a cartoon. The fragmentation ( for want of a better description) is correct in heraldic terms.
Sorry, but the old round badge was much better and even better still, the very old fifties -sixties shield. We should have built around those. Claret Lion on Sky Blue. At least we don't have the bloody stripes.
The fact that we are still discussing this proves to me that we have issues with a very weak design.
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Is there a worse badge in the league? (SHA excepted of course)
Fulham's is terrible.
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Is there a worse badge in the league? (SHA excepted of course)
Fulham's is terrible.
Yes. I forgot Bolton as well.
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Made this a few months ago, just to see if I could update the old round badge (which I love) & make the new one a bit less...pants. Knowing you lot, you'll hate it.
(http://oi55.tinypic.com/1038y03.jpg)
Nice assumption.
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Don't like the amount of unused blue on the badge but I'm not fussed about it. looks a bit like a childs creation, but again, not that fussed. Would prefer to see Aston Villa on the badge also, but I can live without it. I wish the lion wasn't so yellow.
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It's the yellow lion on the light blue background that's the worst part for me. It's never sat right with me and looks like something a 15 year old designed on his bedroom PC.
It's the poorest thing Lerner has done since taking over, in my opinion.
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Made this a few months ago, just to see if I could update the old round badge (which I love) & make the new one a bit less...pants. Knowing you lot, you'll hate it.
(http://oi55.tinypic.com/1038y03.jpg)
It's a lot better than the real thing.
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It's the yellow lion on the light blue background that's the worst part for me. It's never sat right with me and looks like something a 15 year old designed on his bedroom PC.
It's the poorest thing Lerner has done since taking over, in my opinion.
Do you know who designed it?
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Paul, do the Americans not like to" kiss the badge" then?
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It's the yellow on a light blue background that makes it look so insipid, your lion is better than the one we have though, and we definitely should have 'Aston Villa' rather than 'AVFC'.
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It's the yellow lion on the light blue background that's the worst part for me. It's never sat right with me and looks like something a 15 year old designed on his bedroom PC.
It's the poorest thing Lerner has done since taking over, in my opinion.
Do you know who designed it?
Lerner himself wasn't it? I think it was probably one of his kids though.
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I like the new badge but I would make a couple of changes...
AVFC should be replaced with ASTON VILLA FC
The star should be above the badge, instead of within it!
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It's the yellow lion on the light blue background that's the worst part for me. It's never sat right with me and looks like something a 15 year old designed on his bedroom PC.
It's the poorest thing Lerner has done since taking over, in my opinion.
Do you know who designed it?
Lerner himself wasn't it? I think it was probably one of his kids though.
That's correct.
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It obviously pales into insignificance in comparison with other problems at the club at the moment, but I've also always hated the current club crest. I notice today that Man City are unveiling a new crest (https://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/1/UK00003141842) on Boxing Day that looks Like a really well judged piece of graphic design to me. I wonder if relegation might be the opportunity to relaunch a new better run stage of the history of the club, and kill off this hollow 'Proud history bright future' bollocks once and for all.
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It's the yellow lion on the light blue background that's the worst part for me. It's never sat right with me and looks like something a 15 year old designed on his bedroom PC.
It's the poorest thing Lerner has done since taking over, in my opinion.
Oh, for those carefree days of youthful optimism...
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I'm not massively keen on our badge either but I don't see what is so special about the Man City one. I also don't there is a chance in hell the current one is changing while Randy is in charge.
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Most of the badge doesn't really bother me except for the 'prepared' font - that bugs the shit out of me, and has from the very beginning.
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If, perhaps when, we go down we should ditch our shit crest to draw a line under this madness. Revert to the classic '70s round badge and pretend the last five years didn't happen.
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If, perhaps when, we go down we should ditch our shit crest to draw a line under this madness. Revert to the classic '70s round badge and pretend the last five years didn't happen.
I'll drink to that.
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I haven't got my glasses on. Thought this thread was about boob (Chest) enlargements with appropriate (or inappropriate) images.
Oh well time to pour another glass of wine.
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If, perhaps when, we go down we should ditch our shit crest to draw a line under this madness. Revert to the classic '70s round badge and pretend the last five years didn't happen.
I'll drink to that.
me too
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Most of the badge doesn't really bother me except for the 'prepared' font - that bugs the shit out of me, and has from the very beginning.
So if I told you it was set in a font called Chelsea Studio, that probably wouldn't help the mood?
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So if I told you it was set in a font called Chelsea Studio, that probably wouldn't help the mood?
Thanks ! It doesn't help, but I'm not surprised. Maybe next season it'll change to 'Wimbledon Hovel' font :)
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I'm convinced that as Villa fans it is likely that each persons favourite Villa badge is the earliest that they remember.
In my case it was the circular one of the 70s/80s.
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Same for me.
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I'm convinced that as Villa fans it is likely that each persons favourite Villa badge is the earliest that they remember.
In my case it was the circular one of the 70s/80s.
If there's no chance of going back to the he classic badge of my youth - the shaped shield of the '60's with "Prepared" written underneath on a scroll, I'd go for the circular badge as well.
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The circular badge is THE definitive Aston Villa crest, forever and immovably associated with the clubs golden age, I don't have a Villa tattoo but this is the one I keep meaning to get - straight over the heart.
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The circular badge is THE definitive Aston Villa crest, forever and immovably associated with the clubs golden age, I don't have a Villa tattoo but this is the one I keep meaning to get - straight over the heart.
It is also the badge on the kit worn by those champions of 86/87.
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I quite like the current crest but there's too much blue on it. We should have a crest which is predominantly claret - a bit like the circular one of the 80s...
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I like the new crest but i really liked the old circular one aswell i suppose i do miss the old one but time changes.
I totally agree with this however I am alarmed at finding that Darren did not use capital I's and a space fail!
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I'm not massively keen on our badge either but I don't see what is so special about the Man City one. I also don't there is a chance in hell the current one is changing while Randy is in charge.
It's subjective of course, but IMO Man City's is a sophisticated piece of graphic design. Working with the material they have (i.e. a historic crest, a palette of colours etc.) I think the designers have done a good job. Our's is in comparison, as suggested earlier in the thread, the work of a child.
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The circular badge is THE definitive Aston Villa crest, forever and immovably associated with the clubs golden age, I don't have a Villa tattoo but this is the one I keep meaning to get - straight over the heart.
It is also the badge on the kit worn by those champions of 86/87.
Screw 86/87 - remember Highbury and Rotterdam.
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I don't really care what it looks like as long as it says Aston Villa on it features a lion and has prepared written somewhere abouts
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I am totally biased here becoming a supporter in the 70's - the circular crest/badge is Aston Villa.
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It's the yellow lion on the light blue background that's the worst part for me. It's never sat right with me and looks like something a 15 year old designed on his bedroom PC.
It's the poorest thing Lerner has done since taking over, in my opinion.
Oh, for those carefree days of youthful optimism...
To think I used to like him...
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Wouldn't be against the 70s/80s crest coming back but I'd like it to be redone, a bit modernised.
I also wouldn't mind an embroidered gold lion similar to Spurs and their cockerel, or Liverpool's liverbird. It looks far better than any shield design.
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The circular badge is THE definitive Aston Villa crest, forever and immovably associated with the clubs golden age, I don't have a Villa tattoo but this is the one I keep meaning to get - straight over the heart.
It is also the badge on the kit worn by those champions of 86/87.
Yes, but not actually on the shirt, which is why the football gods relegated us.
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I am totally biased here becoming a supporter in the 70's - the circular crest/badge is Aston Villa.
And has been for less than twenty years of our history.
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The round crest isn't just a symbol of nostalgia, it's a design classic. I don't think we've had a better badge.
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Gold lion rampant please.
(http://www.soccerjerseyplus.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/aston_villa_home_kit_detail_macron_2014_15_sjp_com.png)
Smartest bit about last year's home shirt tbh.
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The round crest isn't just a symbol of nostalgia, it's a design classic. I don't think we've had a better badge.
Me neither, but as I get older I like the early seventies lion with no shield.
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The round crest isn't just a symbol of nostalgia, it's a design classic. I don't think we've had a better badge.
Me neither, but as I get older I like the early seventies lion with no shield.
That's the one for me, it looked particularly good on the yellow and blue away kit. The round badge didn't work at all on that, although i'd be happy if we went back to either, the subsequent 2 badges just don't cut it .
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The round crest isn't just a symbol of nostalgia, it's a design classic. I don't think we've had a better badge.
Me neither, but as I get older I like the early seventies lion with no shield.
That's the one for me, it looked particularly good on the yellow and blue away kit. The round badge didn't work at all on that, although i'd be happy if we went back to either, the subsequent 2 badges just don't cut it .
The worst was the late nineties revamp that made the lion look like a seahorse (I think Messrs and Ansell tried to get it changed ASAP).
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The round crest isn't just a symbol of nostalgia, it's a design classic. I don't think we've had a better badge.
Me neither, but as I get older I like the early seventies lion with no shield.
That's the one for me, it looked particularly good on the yellow and blue away kit. The round badge didn't work at all on that, although i'd be happy if we went back to either, the subsequent 2 badges just don't cut it .
The worst was the late nineties revamp that made the lion look like a seahorse (I think Messrs and Ansell tried to get it changed ASAP).
God yeah, I'd forgotten that brief monstrosity. Didn't object to the general change in design in the early 90s. It was when I was younger and that badge carries a lot of special memories. It's still the one on my keyring to this day.
Also, in 86/87 wasn't there no badge at all on the shirt, just the letters AVFC?
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Also, in 86/87 wasn't there no badge at all on the shirt, just the letters AVFC?
That season, and the season before, the badge was on the shorts only.
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what about that bad boy lion from the 1878 to 1880 shirts
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The round crest isn't just a symbol of nostalgia, it's a design classic. I don't think we've had a better badge.
Me neither, but as I get older I like the early seventies lion with no shield.
That's the one for me, it looked particularly good on the yellow and blue away kit. The round badge didn't work at all on that, although i'd be happy if we went back to either, the subsequent 2 badges just don't cut it .
The worst was the late nineties revamp that made the lion look like a seahorse (I think Messrs and Ansell tried to get it changed ASAP).
God yeah, I'd forgotten that brief monstrosity. Didn't object to the general change in design in the early 90s. It was when I was younger and that badge carries a lot of special memories. It's still the one on my keyring to this day.
Also, in 86/87 wasn't there no badge at all on the shirt, just the letters AVFC?
I think the classic round badge just works, even if it isn't a favourite for everybody. It's claret and blue, it has a lion rampant, and it has our full name. The 'Prepared' bit isn't really appropriate, because we rarely are.
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The 'Prepared' bit isn't really appropriate, because we rarely are.
That's a good point, actually. Let's just hope Remi has a plan for the transfer window prepared and has the backing of the custodian and his cronies.
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The round crest isn't just a symbol of nostalgia, it's a design classic. I don't think we've had a better badge.
Me neither, but as I get older I like the early seventies lion with no shield.
That's the one for me, it looked particularly good on the yellow and blue away kit. The round badge didn't work at all on that, although i'd be happy if we went back to either, the subsequent 2 badges just don't cut it .
I'm going with the 70's lion also.
Everything about it is classy
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I do like the revamp we wore from 1992 to about 1998. After that as people say it looked like am sea horse. The circular 70s and 80s was class too.
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The 1957 crest was pretty good. I liked the 'free lion' of the 1970 shirts design.
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The current one could be fixed up easy enough, if they just made the blue darker, made the lion proper gold instead of fucking yellow and changed the 'prepared' font to something a bit better.
I like the design of the current badge, just the colours look washed out when contrasted with each other. I've got it as a car sticker and it just looks whatever the opposite adjective to bold is.
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it just looks whatever the opposite adjective to bold is.
Meek, cowardly, pale, timorous, faint...?
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Shit badge, the twat can't even draw any good.
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I think the club has bigger issues to worry about than the crest.
However, if and when we get taken over I would hope they change it. As soon as he goes, I want every last trave of Lerner's regime removed.
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As soon as he goes, I want every last trave of Lerner's regime removed.
Can we keep the mosaics and the Holte pub?
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I think the club has bigger issues to worry about than the crest.
However, if and when we get taken over I would hope they change it. As soon as he goes, I want every last trave of Lerner's regime removed.
did you ask the same when Ellis oversaw our transformation from European champions to relegation deadbeats in the space of 5 years? Because if not to keep it consistent and equally melodramatic we should tear down the Holte End, the Doug Ellis, the Trinity, Bodymoor...
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I think the club has bigger issues to worry about than the crest.
However, if and when we get taken over I would hope they change it. As soon as he goes, I want every last trave of Lerner's regime removed.
did you ask the same when Ellis oversaw our transformation from European champions to relegation deadbeats in the space of 5 years? Because if not to keep it consistent and equally melodramatic we should tear down the Holte End, the Doug Ellis, the Trinity, Bodymoor...
Probably not as Ellis for all his faults didn't spend nearly 6 years humiliating us by smashing practically every shit record the club had ever set. I'm not surprised some fans want to see every trace of him removed from the club. I know i do.
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Why would we knock down the Holte End because of Ellis? The Doug Ellis stand on the other hand.... crap.
Edit, ignore me, pissed, too many beers.
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I think the club has bigger issues to worry about than the crest.
However, if and when we get taken over I would hope they change it. As soon as he goes, I want every last trave of Lerner's regime removed.
did you ask the same when Ellis oversaw our transformation from European champions to relegation deadbeats in the space of 5 years? Because if not to keep it consistent and equally melodramatic we should tear down the Holte End, the Doug Ellis, the Trinity, Bodymoor...
Probably not as Ellis for all his faults didn't spend nearly 6 years humiliating us by smashing practically every shit record the club had ever set. I'm not surprised some fans want to see every trace of him removed from the club. I know i do.
Yes because reducing a European Cup winning side to relegation isn't humiliating at all is it? He did it in record time and hired Turner and McNeil to see that the job was done properly. How many shit records at the time do you think those two broke? I can only imagine the level of your anger had the internet existed back then.
If we are going to compare the two, it's not even close. Lerner took over a side that finished 16th, got us as high as 6th three times, a couple of cup finals and will relegate us in 6 years. Nobody is saying that the record isn't shit because any time relegation enters the conversation it just is. However Ellis took us from kings of Europe and brought us crashing into Division 2 in less time. That's massively impressive and not in a good way.
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Hold it right there. The Ellis v Lerner argument has been done to death and we really don't need it playing out again.
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Back to the badge. Why are we talking about the bloody badge again?
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Back to the badge. Why are we talking about the bloody badge again?
Because let's face it, it's bloody awful. Like a 5 year old designed it.
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True but we sound like Comical Ali talking to AL Jazeera and CNN with a big Chinook hovering behind him.
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True but we sound like Comical Ali talking to AL Jazeera and CNN with a big Chinook hovering behind him.
Now that is funny, and spot on