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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: villa-love on November 16, 2010, 03:23:24 PM
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Make of this what you will
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/2702/0/exclusive-villa-star-set-shock-january-move-arsenal
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As it's Talksport, i'll make a healthy manure of it for the garden.
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I'm extremely worried by this due to Wenger's long standing history of signing English players.
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It all makese sense now. It's a straight swap deal for the mercurial Robert Pires.
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I'm extremely worried by this due to Wenger's long standing history of signing English players.
If Francis Jeffers is worth 10 million then Young is worth 50 million :)
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If he wants to go, let him go.
Does'nt get enough goals imho, let him go and get N'Zogbia instead.
Surprised if he goes to Arse or Spuds though, Arse have Walcot, Nasri, and Arseshavin as wide players.Spuds have Bale, Lennon, Bentley.....not sure he'd get that many games tbh.
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The "Villa Insider" has tweeted this on his twitter account:
# Spurs' interest is being rebuffed as their tactics are upsetting people here. Arsenal are being more 'honourable'. @mic_flair 15 minutes ago via Echofon in reply to mic_flair
# Pires medical has been completed however terms not yet agreed. Whispers that Ashley Young to Arsenal in January is very much 'on'. 43 minutes ago via Echofon
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£30 million + and they can have him
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TalkShit says it all.
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i would rather he went to arsenal than spuds...
thats if he is off at all...
and tbh, if he is, i really dont think that he is irreplaceable... hasnt shown enough consistantly for a long time now, and is one of the most frustrating players to watch...
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Arsenal desperately need another lightweight attacking midfielder.
Yes, definitely.
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Meh.
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Weighing things up I do think it would be good business to sell him. If we get Milner-type money then I think we should be able to replace him quite nicely and end up with a stronger team/squad as a result. It could be a smart deal to suit all parties.
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So he's the next one to go......
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I aint worried about that happening
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let him go, in fact we've got to let him go to get a decent price...he won't be missed that much...
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It's said all players have their price.
A couple of years ago I'd have said Ash was irreplaceable. His delivery from corners and set pieces was the best seen in the Prem since Beckham in his pomp.
For whatever reason, the quality in his crossing is just not there any more on a consistent basis and while I'd be sorry to see him go he's no longer irreplaceable.
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Swap him for a few of their players perhaps? Bendtner, Walcott and one or two others might enter the equation? I'd gladly take Gibbs off their hands, think he is going to be some player...
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We'd survive if he went,we have in the past after selling our players. I don't believe Wenger would pay what we want though,so i'm sure theres nothing to worry about,also if its on ts,its gotta be b.s.
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To be honest, as long as the money can be entirely re-invested, it doesn't bother me. Ash has underachieved for the last two years to be frank. He's far too inconsistent.
Granted he's sometimes brilliant, but those days seem to be a rarity, especially since the turn of the year.
With Albrighton emerging and Bannan too, as well as Downing now performing to a high standard, I think we'd be better selling Ash to fund a move for a top class striker. Can we live without him on the wing? Yes. Is he irreplaceable as a front man? No way.
These days he frustrates me more than anything else, and I feel if there's a time to cash in, it's now. If we did it in January, we could ask for an exorbitant fee too. I have no real expectations this season, beyond consolidating, so I don't see it being something that would implode a top 4 push, because we're too far off to sustain one now. This is the season for the kids, and for GH to get things his way.
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meh
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I think we'd be better selling Ash to fund a move for a top class striker.
I think we'd be better off keeping him and just buying the top class striker anyway.
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meh
Indeed
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It's said all players have their price.
A couple of years ago I'd have said Ash was irreplaceable. His delivery from corners and set pieces was the best seen in the Prem since Beckham in his pomp.
For whatever reason, the quality in his crossing is just not there any more on a consistent basis and while I'd be sorry to see him go he's no longer irreplaceable.
To be honest, as long as the money can be entirely re-invested, it doesn't bother me. Ash has underachieved for the last two years to be frank. He's far too inconsistent.
Granted he's sometimes brilliant, but those days seem to be a rarity, especially since the turn of the year.
With Albrighton emerging and Bannan too, as well as Downing now performing to a high standard, I think we'd be better selling Ash to fund a move for a top class striker. Can we live without him on the wing? Yes. Is he irreplaceable as a front man? No way.
These days he frustrates me more than anything else, and I feel if there's a time to cash in, it's now. If we did it in January, we could ask for an exorbitant fee too. I have no real expectations this season, beyond consolidating, so I don't see it being something that would implode a top 4 push, because we're too far off to sustain one now. This is the season for the kids, and for GH to get things his way.
Agree with these posters.
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Swap him for a few of their players perhaps? Bendtner, Walcott and one or two others might enter the equation? I'd gladly take Gibbs off their hands, think he is going to be some player...
Nice idea. A swap with Bendtner plus hmmm £10m. We already have Ireland, Albrighton and Downing so we have a decent set of attacking midfielders therefore we can afford to go for a risky replacement. I like the look of the Belgian dude, Eden Hazzard (is he already beyond Villa?).
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Not so long ago, Norm in Canada (?) started a thread posing the question - 'what if we sold Ashley Young and used the money to improve the squad'? He was absolutely, and almost unanimously, slated. How quickly things change....
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It wouldn't be the end of the world, I think we have seen a few players coming through who can fill his boots and I'm sure that Hou will be able to find a few more. Young is more frustrating than anything now.
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Not so long ago, Norm in Canada (?) started a thread posing the question - 'what if we sold Ashley Young and used the money to improve the squad'? He was absolutely, and almost unanimously, slated. How quickly things change....
I'm taking it that was before Ashley refused to sign a contract ?
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I would be sad to see him go but if we get a massive offer and he is determined to go and we can use the money to re-invest in the team then i would say thanks and all the best.
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Concerned.
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Seems a little dubious. This isn't really Wenger's style (the Arshavin transfer had the feel of a definite one-off - all other big spends are on young players he can mould, which Ash isn't anymore). Also, doesn't he have enough attacking-midfielders/wingers? Isn't that his only type of player? Do they really have the amount of money, also? Would they really spend it on an English player in January when they could wait for his contract to be up if he really wanted to go? This all seems a little horseshitty.
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Quote from: Pete on Today at 04:13:13 PM
Not so long ago, Norm in Canada (?) started a thread posing the question - 'what if we sold Ashley Young and used the money to improve the squad'? He was absolutely, and almost unanimously, slated. How quickly things change....
I'm taking it that was before Ashley refused to sign a contract ?
Well before, season before last I think when Ashley was considered so indispensible that even the suggestion that selling him might be a constructive long-term move caused outrage on here.
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The worrying thing is that he is an Arsenal Fan! I did hear from someone very close to him that he was VERY close to signing for Spurs in the summer, even looking at houses, but when MON left he decided to stay..........we will have to see!
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Double Meh!
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The worrying thing is that he is an Arsenal Fan! I did hear from someone very close to him that he was VERY close to signing for Spurs in the summer, even looking at houses, but when MON left he decided to stay..........we will have to see!
I can never understand this.
It's not Young's choice who he plays for and when he goes if he's under contract. Even if remotely any of this rumour is true and even if Young fancies a move back to London it isn't going to happen until our valuation is met if and when we decide to sell.
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He will take some replacing believe me, even if he is inconsistent at times.
My bigger worry is the message it will reinforce after Barry and then the Milner saga in the Summer - Villa are no longer trying to compete at the top end of the table as their top players continue to leave to further their ambitions and allow the club to balance their books.
It's not what I believe but it is the perception - how long before Albrighton, Bannan go the same way. Just depressing.
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That's the risk. If we replace with a talent as good as or better than Ashley, however, then I don't think we have anything to worry about. What if we went in for Adam Johnson at Man City, for example?
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I like the Adam Johnson idea, like Mr. Laursen suggested man city could implode and the Villa could profit from the crazy spending as their good players will want to leave.
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I wonder about some of you sometimes! Whenever we have a good player there is always plenty who state a good reason to say why he is not perfect and why we should sell him.
He is currently playing brilliantly-but he ain't perfect. He has not said a bad word about the club, management or team mates.
All great players have good and bad games, I still regret that we couldn't keep/sold Milner and Barry as although they have faults, are probably good enough to get in any Premiership team. Ash likewise.
True-I am very happy with how the youngsters have performed in their absence. But I sometimes wonder if perhaps we deserve the second-string players we had acquired under Mon for our lack of support to some of the players(not all).
I am hopeful GH can improve on our poor buying and transfer process, it doesn't have to be a major drama and signs are he is much more direct with his dealings with players.
But please don't so easily say move him on or he's rubbish. Even Sidwell, Marlon, Carew,Osbourne et al are not rubbish-they are just not the standard we require or they do not fit well with our set up. Ash undoubtedly is and does.
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Not so long ago, Norm in Canada (?) started a thread posing the question - 'what if we sold Ashley Young and used the money to improve the squad'? He was absolutely, and almost unanimously, slated. How quickly things change....
And by quickly you mean two years?
Bannan is the latest next big thing, but if he delivered a few years of inconsistent form it wouldn't really stack up to judge him only on what he'd done two years ago.
I like Ash, at the moment we're a better team with him than without him.
Even when he's looking quiet or off the pace he can come up with one cross or one moment of magic to turn a game.
But the players have all the power nowadays and if he wants out there's not a huge amount we can do - short of getting the best possible price. That's different to looking to sell him just to cash in, as Norm was advocating at the time.
Not selling to 'arry would also be a bonus. Of all the sides who finished above us last year, they're probably the most catchable.
A few years ago I'd have thought it impossible to progress if we sold a player of that calibre - sends out all the wrong signals et.c. But if Ireland is committed to making a go of things here he could make Ash's current position in the side his own. He'd probably bring more quality to it as well. Talk of Benzema is probably pie in the sky too but if we are looking of players of that calibre to play up front to invest the Milner/ and potentially Young money we might be a better side overall for it.
Providing it is re-invested, rather than just banked to pay off loans et.c
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let him go, in fact we've got to let him go to get a decent price...he won't be missed that much...
Get a grip. He's the best player at the club.
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let him go, in fact we've got to let him go to get a decent price...he won't be missed that much...
Get a grip. He's the best player at the club.
I agree he is the best player at the club but he has to show it in performances as he has been off the boil for the last 12 months or so.
I alos have a bit more faith in Houllier, as opposed to MON, replacing him if he does leave.
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Not the end of the world if he goes and we replace with quality like Spurs did when they sold Keane, Defoe, Robinson, Berbatov and Carrick.
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let him go, in fact we've got to let him go to get a decent price...he won't be missed that much...
Get a grip. He's the best player at the club.
Maybe 18 months ago on current form no way, Downing is way ahead
Sell him and go for Jarvis
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Shakes head with wonder at some of the comments on here. Get a grip everyone, what was it Mazrim once said " some Villa supporters are shaking like a bunch of shitting puppies". FFS.
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let him go, in fact we've got to let him go to get a decent price...he won't be missed that much...
Get a grip. He's the best player at the club.
I agree he is the best player at the club but he has to show it in performances as he has been off the boil for the last 12 months or so.
I alos have a bit more faith in Houllier, as opposed to MON, replacing him if he does leave.
Nonsense. Young has played well consistently since he joined Villa. The only difference now is that a 'familiarity breeds contempt' situation has set in with some fans who wouldn't know a good footballer if he was playing in their back gardens.
The man is excellent in a Villa shirt and continues to set up Villa goals on a consistent basis season in season out.
I don't think some fans will be happy until they've talked everyone of our better players out of the club. It's laughable.
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let him go, in fact we've got to let him go to get a decent price...he won't be missed that much...
Get a grip. He's the best player at the club.
I agree he is the best player at the club but he has to show it in performances as he has been off the boil for the last 12 months or so.
I alos have a bit more faith in Houllier, as opposed to MON, replacing him if he does leave.
Nonsense. Young has played well consistently since he joined Villa. The only difference now is that a 'familiarity breeds contempt' situation has set in with some fans who wouldn't know a good footballer if he was playing in their back gardens.
The man is excellent in a Villa shirt and continues to set up Villa goals on a consistent basis season in season out.
I don't think some fans will be happy until they've talked everyone of our better players out of the club. It's laughable.
Nonsense. Ash is not the same player he was 2 years ago. As a winger we have not missed him overly with the emergence of Albrighton. And I think we can get a player who is a better support striker than Ash.
Don't get me wrong he is one of our best players BUT he is not irreplaceable. For £14-15m I would sell him and reinvest.
But hey it is all about opinions.
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if we sold him plus 30 millions already in kitty. Plus another 10 millions on selling dead wood ie Davies, Heskey, Carew, Sidwell, and co.
If Gerard know a lot of decent players to buy say 6-9 millions pounds brackets we could buy lot of quality and our team will blossom.
Sell Young and buy Johnson from Man City for 10 millions less.
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Ash's best seasons were 07/08 and 08/09.
I would consider selling if we were offered £25m+
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Entering the final year of his contract we'd be doing well to get anywhere close to £20 million.
£16-20mill would probably swing it.
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If he wants to go, let him go.
Does'nt get enough goals imho, let him go and get N'Zogbia instead.
Surprised if he goes to Arse or Spuds though, Arse have Walcot, Nasri, and Arseshavin as wide players.Spuds have Bale, Lennon, Bentley.....not sure he'd get that many games tbh.
What a bizarre post. A. Young is our best player. Generally, everything good we do goes through him or involves him.
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If he wants to go, let him go.
Does'nt get enough goals imho, let him go and get N'Zogbia instead.
Surprised if he goes to Arse or Spuds though, Arse have Walcot, Nasri, and Arseshavin as wide players.Spuds have Bale, Lennon, Bentley.....not sure he'd get that many games tbh.
What a fucking stupid post. A. Young is our best player. Generally, everything good we do goes through him or involves him.
Try to find a less aggressive way of disagreeing with people, please.
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What a load of shit on here.
You will not find a winger as good as him who works as hard for the team as he does. His attacking qualities are matched by his ability to think about and track back and helping out.
How to ensure mid-table mediocrity, sell your best players. Barry, Milner and now A.Young.
I really cannot believe people would happily sell him.
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If he wants to go, let him go.
Does'nt get enough goals imho, let him go and get N'Zogbia instead.
Surprised if he goes to Arse or Spuds though, Arse have Walcot, Nasri, and Arseshavin as wide players.Spuds have Bale, Lennon, Bentley.....not sure he'd get that many games tbh.
What a fucking stupid post. A. Young is our best player. Generally, everything good we do goes through him or involves him.
Try to find a less aggressive way of disagreeing with people, please.
Apologies, it is now modified.
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His reaction to scoring against Utd at the weekend was very animated for Ash and I'm not sure whether to try and read something into it. I don't think he'll go in January if at all.
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Ash's best seasons were 07/08 and 08/09.
I would consider selling if we were offered £25m+
With one year left on his contract, there is no way we will get that.
Lets face it, Young is engineering a very nice situation for himself by not signing this contract. It's frustrating as there is a really good feel about the club at the moment. The youngsters are busting a gut to establish themselves at Villa, Gabby has signed a long term deal, plus there is the prospect of a few new signings.
Young sticks out like a saw thumb as the one that isn't buying into this new villa revolution.
If he signs a new contract then obviously all will be forgiven but at the moment I would be inclined to sell him to the highest bidder in January. Onwards and upwards...
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I really cannot believe people would happily sell him.
I'm not sure anyone is "happy" to sell him, its just that the circumstances* suggest that he wants to leave. If that is the case then surely Villa are better off trying to get the best deal possible for the club and indeed part of the fun of being a fan is speculating about who we could/should sign.
* refusing to sign this contract whilst he concentrates on his football etc
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Have to agree with the posters saying that he's up there with our current best. Selling him in the summer would be shite and yet another summer of "oh well, maybe we'll reinvest" type conversations on here. But ultimately, if we keep selling our better players it won't matter how good the kids might become because the first time another club comes in they'll be off too. It has to stop somewhere but there seems to be an air or inevitability that he's off next summer.
Selling him at christmas would definitely signal we've given up on competing but considering it's almost certainly bollocks I won't be worrying.
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Sadly i think he'll go in Jan or at the end of the season. He must have realised that with O'Neil leaving when he did and the injury situation we are unlikely to be in the champs league until the 2012/13 season at the earliest. He won't wait that long.
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He's becoming a regular in the England squad. He'll be gone soon. If he does, I hope its Arsenal and not Spuds
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Fuck him off to Man City if we can't keep him.
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When I saw this thread title I was concerned, but then it's Talksport.
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I don't think anyone wants him to leave me included! but if its a case of him not wanting to sign a new contract then we have to sell him jan otherwise we'll lose a lot of money on him!
I would rather sell him in Jan for £20-£25M rather than £10m in the summer
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I haven't got a problem with CCBB post......it's all about opinions.
But let me expand on my reasons.Villa currently play a 4-2-3-1 system.The lone striker will generally be Gabby barring any other signings.The 3 midfield players behind have to be fast, and good footballers , but more importantly score goals.......the one in the middle in partic needs to get at least 12 goals a season.The 2 wideish players need to score about 10 each.Albrighton and Downing are on target, Ash is'nt.
I'm a big fan of Ashley, but as some on here have already inferred he is not producing as good a delivery as he was 2 seasons ago, and his final ball/pass/shot is sometimes found wanting.With his reluctance to sign a longer term contract, and taking his age into account, if a bid of £18m+ was offered then i might be tempted.
If he signed a long-term contract though, don't sell him.He is one of our better players, i did'nt say he was'nt.
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I like him but the contract issue is the big thing. If Arsenal do come in for him, he's a go(o)ner. Would definitely be looking at Jarvis if he left.
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I like him but the contract issue is the big thing. If Arsenal do come in for him, he's a go(o)ner. Would definitely be looking at Jarvis if he left.
Although jarvis is a good player, I hope we'd be aiming a bit higher
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When I saw this thread title I was concerned, but then it's Talksport.
Yes, the same TalkSport that broke the news that Bob Bradley was going to be our new manager.
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I thought it was a Young/Lennon swap deal that was being mooted as the latest bollocks rumour?
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"We are not a selling club"!! It was decided here at least two players, sorry months, ago
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Although jarvis is a good player, I hope we'd be aiming a bit higher
24 years old, scores goals, plays quality balls into the box, including corners and would improve playing in a better team than Wolves. Has been praised for having a good football brain. I think he would compliment our young side very well. Plus my boss supports Wolves and tells me how brilliant he is and how he really nees to play with a better team to keep improving.
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I agree Jarvis is quality, would love him at the Villa, he is way to good for wolves, their level is stephen Hunt
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Would'nt swap Young for Lennon tbh.
Might be interested in Gibbs at Arse though.....thats not a bad shout.I quit like their young Swiss C/H as well.
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Although jarvis is a good player, I hope we'd be aiming a bit higher
24 years old, scores goals, plays quality balls into the box, including corners and would improve playing in a better team than Wolves. Has been praised for having a good football brain. I think he would compliment our young side very well. Plus my boss supports Wolves and tells me how brilliant he is and how he really nees to play with a better team to keep improving.
I'm not sayin I wouldn't have him just think Young's replacement should be better
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A mate of mine text TalkSport earlier and asked them where they got their 'exclusive' story from. They did'nt read out his text so he sent another one along the lines of 'It can't be true because it has'nt been on Sky Sports and they normally get things right'.
He received a reply back a little while later saying they were not going to read out his email and his number had been put on their banned list.
Hmmm.
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Talk Sport is crap and someone adding to it via Twitter does not make things any more likely. I do not buy this. I think we would want more than Arse would want to pay, and for some reason I just cannot see him playing for them. A made up storey is an easy way for a rubbish broadcaster to get some publicity.
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IF this is true we are never going to finish above 6th if we keep selling our best player.
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A mate of mine text TalkSport earlier and asked them where they got their 'exclusive' story from. They did'nt read out his text so he sent another one along the lines of 'It can't be true because it has'nt been on Sky Sports and they normally get things right'.
He received a reply back a little while later saying they were not going to read out his email and his number had been put on their banned list.
Hmmm.
Ahh mate that is classic
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IF this is true we are never going to finish above 6th if we keep selling our best player.
but this isn't about albrighton ;)
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Or Bannan.
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or Downing, ha ha ha
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or Sidwell * HELMET PLACED ON HEAD*
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A mate of mine text TalkSport earlier and asked them where they got their 'exclusive' story from. They did'nt read out his text so he sent another one along the lines of 'It can't be true because it has'nt been on Sky Sports and they normally get things right'.
He received a reply back a little while later saying they were not going to read out his email and his number had been put on their banned list.
Hmmm.
Ahh mate that is classic
They're just talking out of their arse Phil. I've just listened to their 8pm headlines and not a mention of it. All they've done is saw that we've signed another winger (an ex Arsenal one), put two and two together and put up a non story on their website in the hope that the White Van public will ring up and pay their 75p a minute to have their say on the matter.
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or Sidwell * I'M A HELMET*
winky effort.
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Or Bannan.
Yet.
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I thought it was a Young/Lennon swap deal that was being mooted as the latest bollocks rumour?
What I heard too.
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I would rather he signed a new deal and stayed, but I wouldn’t want to lose him for nothing so a huge fee to invest in the team would be the way to go. We don’t want him messing us around in the last year of his contract
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Easily our best player and people are saying sell/swop. Strange.
We'd be a seriously average side without Ash's invention, and he is still to hit his prime.
The loss of Milner has effected our team massively and yet people are willing to make a similar move and try and rebuild. I find it bizzare.
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Most of that is down to the contract issue though Myf.
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It hasn't actually been mentioned on talksport, it's just on their rumours section.
It bullshit because 1. arsenel won't pay alot for him 2. He wouldn't get a game 3. He is English
The only down side is Ash is an Arsenel fan
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Talk Sport is crap and someone adding to it via Twitter does not make things any more likely. I do not buy this. I think we would want more than Arse would want to pay, and for some reason I just cannot see him playing for them. A made up storey is an easy way for a rubbish broadcaster to get some publicity.
'Villa Insider' in Twitter called Houllier before anyone else, days before it happened.
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I thought it was a Young/Lennon swap deal that was being mooted as the latest bollocks rumour?
What I heard too.
Ash is a more versatile player, but Lennon is a much better winger in my opinion.
Lennon would be useless to us as he can only play in Albrightons position.
So no thanks I'd rather super Marc.
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Not so long ago, Norm in Canada (?) started a thread posing the question - 'what if we sold Ashley Young and used the money to improve the squad'? He was absolutely, and almost unanimously, slated. How quickly things change....
True but he was arguably the best left winger in the prem at the time. I think Norm posted that thread around the time of the Everton away game.
I don't rate him playing just off the front man tbh, just don't think he creates enough in that position although he did have a very good 15 minute spell there on saturday.
I wouldn't be adverse to selling him in Jan for 15m + and getting lennon in a swop or Jarvis.
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if he does not want to sign a contract he has to go sooner rather than later, he either signs or goes in January, it will be a shame but not a disaster
so where does he go?
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if he does not want to sign a contract he has to go sooner rather than later, he either signs or goes in January, it will be a shame but not a disaster
so where does he go?
Tottally agree.
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Arsenal have a chance of of the title, now that Chelski are faltering, and CL games to look forward to. AV have so much more to attract the likes of Ashley and then there is the money. Arsenal throw in a couple more 'fillers' plus £30m and I'm sure he'll say no and be prepared to hang on for three years while GH gets it all together again.
Yea he'll stay all right!
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I was under the impression people wanted the side to play fluid, passing football? This sort of possession football that Houllier seems to be trying to incorporate surely involves keeping hold of your best technical players, with the touch and technique to hold onto the ball in tight situations. Now I'm not sure anyone can argue that Ash is the most comfortable player on the ball at the club, and if you think we're bad at retaining possession now, imagine how bad we'd be without him. Keep at all costs. Oh and i think its utter horlicks anyway
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based on what we got for Barry, we are looking at £10 to £12mil if we sell
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I was under the impression people wanted the side to play fluid, passing football? This sort of possession football that Houllier seems to be trying to incorporate surely involves keeping hold of your best technical players, with the touch and technique to hold onto the ball in tight situations. Now I'm not sure anyone can argue that Ash is the most comfortable player on the ball at the club, and if you think we're bad at retaining possession now, imagine how bad we'd be without him. Keep at all costs. Oh and i think its utter horlicks anyway
what is not horlicks is that he is running down his contract
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Arsenal are a club with decent stature, regularly in the CL even over the last few years when in transition.
For Tottenham, participation in that comp could be a one shot deal. So if Ash was tempted to go there on the back of two high profile games v Inter Milan this year, I'd wonder how he'd feel if/when then take up their customary mid table position again.
I wouldn't want to see him go full stop but if it was Arsenal I don't think anyone could blame him. Club he supported as a boy, good manager and set up, regular CL football, closer to home. It would make sense.
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conflicting views about who he supports Arse or Spuds?
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conflicting views about who he supports Arse or Spuds?
who he may or may not "support" is completely irrelevant. Paul Scholes supports Oldham, but I haven't seen him play for them.
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Ash is an Arsenal fan.
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Do Arsenal need Young
Answer no, they already got Nasri, Walcott and Arshavin, so where would he actually play
Sounds like talkshit as usual
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conflicting views about who he supports Arse or Spuds?
I'd say the suggestions that he supports Tottingham come from fcukwitt Tottenham fans themselves, as they assume everyone must support them even if they have been largely a complete non entity since the 60's. Probably no other club in world football has such a bloated an inaccurate sense of self. United fans often take stick for their breathtaking arrogance but they are genuinely a huge club and can back it up. Chelsea fans are often utterly dislikeable but they at least seem aware that their dining at the top table is a relatively recent phenomenon.
I read quotes soon after he joined that he was an Arsenal fan as a kid and Ian Wright was his favourite player.
Not that it's necessarily a huge factor in making a career decision as Californian Villlain points out. But if he wanted to join Tottenham to fulfil a lifelong dream he had a very good chance in Jan 2007. As Curtis Davies did a few months later and countless other players who found it easy enough to tell them to get facked.
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maybe the Mods could change the title of this Thread to Ash running down his contract or merje with a similar thread title because it is pretyy obvious that some people have not worked out that rumours of his impending transfer are bound to occur because he wont comit to the club
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conflicting views about who he supports Arse or Spuds?
I'd say the suggestions that he supports Tottingham come from fcukwitt Tottenham fans themselves, as they assume everyone must support them even if they have been largely a complete non entity since the 60's. Probably no other club in world football has such a bloated an inaccurate sense of self. United fans often take stick for their breathtaking arrogance but they are genuinely a huge club and can back it up. Chelsea fans are often utterly dislikeable but they at least seem aware that their dining at the top table is a relatively recent phenomenon.
I read quotes soon after he joined that he was an Arsenal fan as a kid and Ian Wright was his favourite player.
Not that it's necessarily a huge factor in making a career decision as Californian Villlain points out. But if he wanted to join Tottenham to fulfil a lifelong dream he had a very good chance in Jan 2007. As Curtis Davies did a few months later and countless other players who found it easy enough to tell them to get facked.
no he didnt have the chance to join tottenham, only villa and west ham offered the asking price he chose villa, fact
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He could played his face up to join Spurs if he wanted to. He didnt.
They were definitely interested.
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He could played his face up to join Spurs if he wanted to. He didnt.
They were definitely interested.
Yes if you believe the papers, on this subject I have a lot more knowledge, spurs did not bid they inquired, it came down to agreing terms he chose villa, fact
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conflicting views about who he supports Arse or Spuds?
I'd say the suggestions that he supports Tottingham come from fcukwitt Tottenham fans themselves, as they assume everyone must support them even if they have been largely a complete non entity since the 60's. Probably no other club in world football has such a bloated an inaccurate sense of self. United fans often take stick for their breathtaking arrogance but they are genuinely a huge club and can back it up. Chelsea fans are often utterly dislikeable but they at least seem aware that their dining at the top table is a relatively recent phenomenon.
I read quotes soon after he joined that he was an Arsenal fan as a kid and Ian Wright was his favourite player.
Not that it's necessarily a huge factor in making a career decision as Californian Villlain points out. But if he wanted to join Tottenham to fulfil a lifelong dream he had a very good chance in Jan 2007. As Curtis Davies did a few months later and countless other players who found it easy enough to tell them to get facked.
no he didnt have the chance to join tottenham, only villa and west ham offered the asking price he chose villa, fact
Means fcuk all.
Blackburn offered more than us to sign Dion Dublin from Coventry in 1998.
Dion wanted to come here = they eventually accepted the lower offer.
Countless other deals have gone the same way.
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conflicting views about who he supports Arse or Spuds?
I'd say the suggestions that he supports Tottingham come from fcukwitt Tottenham fans themselves, as they assume everyone must support them even if they have been largely a complete non entity since the 60's. Probably no other club in world football has such a bloated an inaccurate sense of self. United fans often take stick for their breathtaking arrogance but they are genuinely a huge club and can back it up. Chelsea fans are often utterly dislikeable but they at least seem aware that their dining at the top table is a relatively recent phenomenon.
I read quotes soon after he joined that he was an Arsenal fan as a kid and Ian Wright was his favourite player.
Not that it's necessarily a huge factor in making a career decision as Californian Villlain points out. But if he wanted to join Tottenham to fulfil a lifelong dream he had a very good chance in Jan 2007. As Curtis Davies did a few months later and countless other players who found it easy enough to tell them to get facked.
no he didnt have the chance to join tottenham, only villa and west ham offered the asking price he chose villa, fact
Means fcuk all.
Blackburn offered more than us to sign Dion Dublin from Coventry in 1998.
Dion wanted to come here = they eventually accepted the lower offer.
Countless other deals have gone the same way.
Spurs did not bid, as i said earlier i have knowledge, i wont post it on open forum, if you want to PM me i will fill you in, but please dont argue on a point where you have no clue about what actually happened
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Forgive me, when I see fact on the end of a sentence that is at best an interpretation of events or second guessing I usually assume I'm either (a) talking to a moron or (b) on Villa Talk or both (not suggesting that you're a moron or that we're on Villa talk, you understand).
I'll assume that your contact must be Martin O'Neill, Daniel Comoli, Martin Jol or Ashley Young himself because no one else would definitely know one way or the other.
If it's friend of a friend Talksport might be interested though. Give them a bash.
It was reported at the time across various vaguely reliable papers (Guardian/ Indo et.c) that Spurs had bid and were keen, but didn't want to get drawn into an auction.
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Forgive me, when I see fact on the end of a sentence that is at best an interpretation of events or second guessing I usually assume I'm either (a) talking to a moron or (b) on Villa Talk or both (not suggesting that you're a moron or that we're on Villa talk, you understand).
I'll assume that your contact must be Martin O'Neill, Daniel Comoli, Martin Jol or Ashley Young himself because no one else would definitely know one way or the other.
If it's friend of a friend Talksport might be interested though. Give them a bash.
It was reported at the time across various vaguely reliable papers (Guardian/ Indo et.c) that Spurs had bid and were keen, but didn't want to get drawn into an auction.
sad that you find it necessary to use that language, i have allways found your contributions worthwhile, maybe you are having a bad day
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He could played his face up to join Spurs if he wanted to. He didnt.
They were definitely interested.
Yes if you believe the papers, on this subject I have a lot more knowledge, spurs did not bid they inquired, it came down to agreing terms he chose villa, fact
Nothing to do with the papers, which I rarely hold any stock in.
I had something like "the scoop" on this at the time (as well as Maloney) so you can check if you like.
Official bid or not, Spurs made it clear they were after him to Watford and Young but that they werent going to pay what Villa and West Ham were.
They were trying it on in the hope he'd refuse to move to Villa or West Ham and thus force a move to Spurs for less.
If we're talking facts there's a 24k one you cant take to cashmyfacts.
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so we lose another good player.... good times.
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Has he gone then, Sad sack?
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He could played his face up to join Spurs if he wanted to. He didnt.
They were definitely interested.
Yes if you believe the papers, on this subject I have a lot more knowledge, spurs did not bid they inquired, it came down to agreing terms he chose villa, fact
Nothing to do with the papers, which I rarely hold any stock in.
I had something like "the scoop" on this at the time so you can check if you like.
Official bid or not, Spurs made it clear they were after him to Watford and Young but that they werent going to pay what Villa and West Ham were.
They were trying it on in the hope he'd refuse to move to Villa or West Ham and thus force a move to Spurs for less.
If we're talking facts there's a 24k one you cant take to cashmyfacts.
i have absoloutely no idea what your last sentance means, this is the usual response from posters when you make a statement and then try and back it up, i know what went on, i wont disclose my sources publicly,
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I know what "went on" too and couldn't have been more candid about it. I was then and I am now. Like I said, you can check.
My source was a Villa player who is no longer at the club.
What exactly is it that I've said which you dont believe?
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I know what "went on" too and couldn't have been more candid about it. I was then and I am now. Like I said, you can check.
My source was a Villa player who is no longer at the club.
What exactly is that I've said you dont believe?
i didnt mention believe, you went on the attack, spurs inquired, were quoted £8mil, did not bid West Ham and Villa did, the player had 2 options, he chose villa
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oh are you calling me sad sack?
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As I recall it Tottingham made a really derisory offer of Callum Davenport, Routledge and a few extra million tacked on.
Watford said get facked and eventually accepted our offer (which was lower than West Ham's) as the player wanted to come here (partly on Boothroyd's recommendation, which is unusual).
As Maz says, had Ash been so desperate to force the issue he could have played for time and waited for Tottenham to either come back with an improved offer or wait for Watford to buckle.
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As I recall it Tottingham made a really derisory offer of Callum Davenport, Routledge and a few extra million tacked on.
Watford said get facked and eventually accepted our offer (which was lower than West Ham's) as the player wanted to come here (partly on Boothroyd's recommendation, which is unusual).
As Maz says, had Ash been so desperate to force the issue he could have played for time and waited for Tottenham to either come back with an improved offer or wait for Watford to buckle.
yeah right, you are completely correct, it went exactly as you and Maz say well done
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So whose ITK dad is bigger then?
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So whose ITK dad is bigger then?
sadly ego has got in the way of facts
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As I recall it Tottingham made a really derisory offer of Callum Davenport, Routledge and a few extra million tacked on.
Watford said get facked and eventually accepted our offer (which was lower than West Ham's) as the player wanted to come here (partly on Boothroyd's recommendation, which is unusual).
As Maz says, had Ash been so desperate to force the issue he could have played for time and waited for Tottenham to either come back with an improved offer or wait for Watford to buckle.
yeah right, you are completely correct, it went exactly as you and Maz say well done
That was how it was reported at the time across various papers (with different papers including the same set of Tottenham players to be swapped).
In fairness, they probably didn't say fact, 100% fact, fact me sideways or any other similar variation though. So you probably trump them on that one.
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the same papers repeating the same , that makes it true, no chance of them copying each other at all, so your information must be fact because it was printed in newspapers, i guess you should give up now
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Aye.
It's a fair cop.
I can't compete with your invisible friends, voices in your head or anything else you're passing off as fact, so I guess I'll fact off. The cricket is on and the second string bowlers are looking good.
BTW, I'm not passing off my recollections of Jan 2007 as certain either. It was four years ago. Sometimes I'd struggle to recall what happened last week. It would just seem fairly obvious to me that anyone who has to tack the f word onto the end of every other sentence might not be the most reliable contributor on the subject in question.
It's as if you're trying to convince yourself. Why underpin it would be my immediate suspicion, just let what you say stand or fall on it's own merit if you're that certain of what you say.
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mr gage i have sent you a pm if you dont trust me after that then ---------
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If Spurs had matched our offer who would he have chosen?
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If Spurs had matched our offer who would he have chosen?
I seem to recall that Ash's Dad was very influential at the time, he may even have been his agent, and MoN had convinced him that Villa would be best for the player's development.
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If Spurs had matched our offer who would he have chosen?
I seem to recall that Ash's Dad was very influential at the time, he may even have been his agent, and MoN had convinced him that Villa would be best for the player's development.
Given his opportunities in the Villa team since he joined versus the upheaval at Spurs and West Ham, and whoever or whatever convinced Ash to choose us, it was the right decision. Having said that, our team is now falling away following the sale of our better players (Barry, Milner) and the retirement (Laursen, Bouma) or decline of others (Carew, Petrov, Dunne, Heskey). We can hardly blame the player if he sees now as the time to move on to supposedly better things at a club playing in the Champions League. The alternative is to stay put in the hope that our current crop of youngsters make the grade over the next 2-3 seasons; by then the bigger clubs may not be quite so interested as they are now.
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mr gage i have sent you a pm if you dont trust me after that then ---------
It's like reading the fourth book in the Millenium series.
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Anyway....
Seems a strange one to me, as Arsenal already have plenty of players in a similar style to Ashley Young. In fact, Arshavin plays almost exactly the same role - either wide left, cutting in, or supporting the striker.
Then there's other wide attacking players such as Nasri, Rosicky, Walcott and Van Persie, who's best playing just behind a centre-forward. I'd have thought Wenger needs a top-class 'keeper and centre-back as priority, but there you go.
Even with 18 months of his contract left, Young would cost at least £15m. Doesn't seem to be Wenger's style at all, this one. We'll see.
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I think we shouldn't sell Ashley Young.
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I don't see Arse as a bidder for all the reasons listed above. But I do think he'll be on his way ... not to our disadvantage, IMHO, as long as the money's sufficient.*
*This is an opinion; I have no "friends" feeding me privileged information.
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Selling Ashley Young would not be a good move for the club in any respect. Just like selling Milner wasn't. But that's where we are as a club, unfortunately, and it wouldn't surprise me or depress me like previous departures might have (and did). We'll survive without him if he does decide to go, and there's an outside chance that we'll find a better replacement. I'd rather not take the risk, but there's nothing I can do about it so I won't be getting worked up over this.
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Not so long ago, Norm in Canada (?) started a thread posing the question - 'what if we sold Ashley Young and used the money to improve the squad'? He was absolutely, and almost unanimously, slated. How quickly things change....
True but he was arguably the best left winger in the prem at the time. I think Norm posted that thread around the time of the Everton away game.
I don't rate him playing just off the front man tbh, just don't think he creates enough in that position although he did have a very good 15 minute spell there on saturday.
I wouldn't be adverse to selling him in Jan for 15m + and getting lennon in a swop or Jarvis.
Playing there he's been involved in 4 of the last 5 goals we have scored, but as you say it's not enough!
We should do everything we can to keep him and as fans we shouldn't help foster a climate where the club feel it is OK to do so.
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When a player delays signing a new contract, it says one thing normally - I'm offski.
I hope he stays, but am not too optimistic to be honest, especially after losing Fat Barry and Jimmy.
Lennon would make a good replacement.
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well it sound like Wenger and Houlier are really good mates... Less chance of Wenger upsetting Houlier trying to get Ash , unless its to stupid a offer to turn down and Wenger doesnt do that ( no more) ..
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He's not found the form of a couple of years ago, but before you even get into the footballing reasons, selling Ashley Young would send out entirely the wrong message coming after doing the same with Barry and Milner.
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He's not found the form of a couple of years ago, but before you even get into the footballing reasons, selling Ashley Young would send out entirely the wrong message coming after doing the same with Barry and Milner.
I don’t think anyone would disagree and we would all prefer to see him stay but he needs to commit to the Villa before we lose him for nothing.
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He's not found the form of a couple of years ago, but before you even get into the footballing reasons, selling Ashley Young would send out entirely the wrong message coming after doing the same with Barry and Milner.
I don’t think anyone would disagree and we would all prefer to see him stay but he needs to commit to the Villa before we lose him for nothing.
Completely agree with this.If he hasn't committed by January the club need to get the best price
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Agree with Juan. Houlier and Wenger are very good mates and have been in close and recent talks concerning Pires. Wenger really dont need his mid field bolstered with Nasri, Fabregas, Arshavin and a whole lot of others. I know footballers are unreliable in there statements. But to attempt to move weeks after saying "Villa have nothing to worry about" would very much suprise even some of the most cynical pessimists ........
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When a player delays signing a new contract, it says one thing normally - I'm offski.
I hope he stays, but am not too optimistic to be honest, especially after losing Fat Barry and Jimmy.
Lennon would make a good replacement.
I woudn''t want Lennon, prefer Albrighton - he's not as as quick but a far, far better delivery plus he hasn't got wankily shaved eyebows.
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Bit of a problem there Chris. I think Houllier has got a bit of an eyebrow fetish ........
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I've said before, out of Barry, Milner and Young, Young would be the hardest to replace. Is he playing as well as he did two years ago? Maybe not, but Young never hides, even on an off day he's always busy, always working, always giving opposition defences a tough time. He's our most dangerous attacking player - still.
Lennon would be no sort of replacement at all. He's flaky. He'll do it in small bursts but his injury record is pretty poor.
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When a player delays signing a new contract, it says one thing normally - I'm offski.
Although I'd normally agree with you, it should be noted that this is all happening during a period of change at the club. The manager who bought him has left, there are at least questions over future spending and we're still unsure exactly what the new manager will bring. I don't think it's too far fetched to imagine Ash and his advisors may adopt a 'wait and see' approach in those circumstances.
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When a player delays signing a new contract, it says one thing normally - I'm offski.
Although I'd normally agree with you, it should be noted that this is all happening during a period of change at the club. The manager who bought him has left, there are at least questions over future spending and we're still unsure exactly what the new manager will bring. I don't think it's too far fetched to imagine Ash and his advisors may adopt a 'wait and see' approach in those circumstances.
Agree to a point, but a contract means zip anyway in terms of which club a player plays for -- in that, if he wants to move in the Summer, the fact he's got 4 years of a Villa contract left will not stop him from going.
It would mean his value may be higher, that's all.
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Well, I was quite exited by the forward line of Downing, Young, Albrighton and Agbonlahor with Bannan in support last Saturday. I feel there is potentially a lot more to come from this combination so I'm not keen on f*cking of Ash to the Arse, Spuds, Man Citeh or anyone else.
And I don't want to consider who we'd 'swap' him for either.
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You've lost me there?
You're saying him not signing means he's likely to go (a fear I do share), yet if he wants to move anyway the contract makes no difference? If that's the case why not sign now and take the increased wages until he buggers off in the summer/January?
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You've lost me there?
You're saying him not signing means he's likely to go (a fear I do share), yet if he wants to move anyway the contract makes no difference? If that's the case why not sign now and take the increased wages until he buggers off in the summer/January?
Exactly, so stalling could mean he's actually made a decision to go already.
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He's not found the form of a couple of years ago, but before you even get into the footballing reasons, selling Ashley Young would send out entirely the wrong message coming after doing the same with Barry and Milner.
I tend to agree, that's my biggest concern in all of this.
But if there is a shred of truth to any of this (and as it's only been reported on Talksport I'd say we're still well and truly in BS country at this point) a lot will depend on how we would go about replacing him.
Tottenham have sold their best players in recent years but have kept the thing moving by signing other big names. If we do likewise, as painful as it is initially we might be better for it in the long run. If we (or more accurately RL) banks the money and just packs the squad out with filler we'd deserve all the criticism we'll inevitably get.
I actually think signing Downing back in 2009 was a contingency for this kind of thing, possibly a rare example of MON being proactive rather than reactive after the event.
Given a straight choice I'd still want Ash to stay regardless, but we're in a healthier position squad wise to just about wear it. Two decent wingers in Downing and Albrighton and Stephen Ireland who would probably be more suited to the off the forward role he currently plays.
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We've done OK with our 'big' players leaving as they've gone to Man City, so we've gotten over the top money for them and the deals have benefitted the club. The problem with Ash is his contract is running down and unless Man City do come in again, I think we're unlikely to get a fee big enough to recruit an adequate replacement.
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I'd hate to see Ashley leave, for me it would be another disaster. On his day he is still our best player and there are few out there as good as him. He supported Arsenal as a kid so if they bid in Jan for him he will probably be gone :'(
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So whose ITK dad is bigger then?
sadly ego has got in the way of facts
You need to wind your neck in a bit.
Its nothing to do with ego, so kindly knock it off.
If whatever you heard differs to what I was told, how? And what makes your info more reliable?
As everything I was told came to pass and tallies up (not just regarding Young), I'll stick with that thanks.
Alas, I dont have access to that source of info any more as the player, whose family I am friends with, no longer has any ties to Villa.
And I was calling stevenjos sad sack, which I thought was pretty obvious.
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I reckon he'll sign a new deal once he sees what the club does in January. If it gets towards the end of Jan and we've done nothing, he might push for a move.
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If he wants to go he will go- the ball is in his court and sadly I think he will go , maybe to Liverpool as they have money and are crying out for a quality wide player.
However, he has been a great player for us and I'm sure we will move on without him if necessary as we have since other stars have left us- the days of players staying 10 yrs or so at clubs are dwindling and the modern stars have everything in their favour.
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Hope this is bullshit:
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2010/11/17/arsenal-to-break-transfer-record-to-sign-18m-winger-ashley-young-in-january/
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Like most people I would be disappointed to see Ash go but believe he will, hence why he's 'delayed' signing so he can 'concentrate on his game'. He's the one player who can really give you a buzz when he gets the ball and takes players on. But having said that I don't think we would miss him as much as we would have done a couple of seasons ago. His form has dipped, his delivery from set pieces isn't as good as it was, and personally I think he's wasted in his current role behind the main striker as I think his best place is wide left. We have Albrighton on the right, Downing in his natural position on the left, and exciting young players in the middle (Bannan, Delph etc) to pick the passes. So if he doesn't want to sign, let's get some decent money for him which I would trust Houllier to spend more wisely than MON would have done.
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I don't think anything would happen until the summer, if at all.
Say it's Arsenal: unless their season is being seriously derailed - and so far it's ticking along nicely, on course for CL football again at least - I can't see why they'd break their transfer record to sign a player who operates in positions they are very well covered for. In January, given his contract situation, Young would be around £4-6m more expensive.
Come the summer, Young will be entering the final year of his contract, his value comes down, his options really open up. That's when the move will be more likely IMO.
So far we've had unsubstantiated stories on Talksport, and now the mighty caughtoffside.com, which would have taken the 'story' from Talksport, so I'm not concerned too much. Right now, at least.
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Was reading some comments below the Caughtoffside page which may explain arsenal's interest (ignoring the fact that the sources so far a dubious to say the least).
Apparently Arshavin is not signing a new contract and is getting old-ish (certainly by Arsenal standards). Add in that Rosiky is also old and injury prone that would leave Nasri and Walcott as wide attacking players. I think Nasri is destined to play more centrally so there is potentially a gap on their wings in the next year or so.
In addition most of arsenal's current crop of youngsters appear to be more defensive in nature (wilkshire, Gibbs, the exception being Lansbury - but he is probably not read yet).
Lets face it, Arsene is the sort of cunning fox that would prioritise buying players for the season after next rather than buying expensive plasters to cover any current injury crisis.
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Personally i think that after the summer we have had he is waiting to see what we do as a club and is looking for signals of intent as to how we intend to progress. A good finish this year and some quality players coming in, either in January or at the start of the summer, would possibly convince him to stay.
If he decides to go then fair enough, whilst i wouldn't want to sell him, we will continue without him and someone else will step up to the plate. A good player, yes, irreplaceable, no.
If he stays at Villa he will get good money, a regular starting place, and will probably get to play in the centre where it would seem he wants to play. It is unlikely however that we will be able to offer him Champions League football. If he goes to Arsenal he certainly wouldn't get more money, it is unlikely that he would play in his favoured position if indeed he started all of the games. He would however almost certainly get Champions League football. If he goes to them then, at least he will go for the right reasons, to play a higher level of football for a team he supported as a kid.
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He'll stay until the summer at least.
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So whose ITK dad is bigger then?
sadly ego has got in the way of facts
You need to wind your neck in a bit.
Its nothing to do with ego, so kindly knock it off.
If whatever you heard differs to what I was told, how? And what makes your info more reliable?
As everything I was told came to pass and tallies up (not just regarding Young), I'll stick with that thanks.
Alas, I dont have access to that source of info any more as the player, whose family I am friends with, no longer has any ties to Villa.
And I was calling stevenjos sad sack, which I thought was pretty obvious.
thanks for clearing that up, thanks for the advice, i cant be bothered to argue with you, its pretty sad that putting information on here usually leads to attacks, so best fall in line and agree with everbody
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So whose ITK dad is bigger then?
sadly ego has got in the way of facts
You need to wind your neck in a bit.
Its nothing to do with ego, so kindly knock it off.
If whatever you heard differs to what I was told, how? And what makes your info more reliable?
As everything I was told came to pass and tallies up (not just regarding Young), I'll stick with that thanks.
Alas, I dont have access to that source of info any more as the player, whose family I am friends with, no longer has any ties to Villa.
And I was calling stevenjos sad sack, which I thought was pretty obvious.
thanks for clearing that up, thanks for the advice, i cant be bothered to argue with you, its pretty sad that putting information on here usually leads to attacks, so best fall in line and agree with everbody
Be careful Maz. He'll be calling you Mazrin, Muzrim or something equally side splittingly hilarious before too long. Watch, he'll respond to this by calling me Tonto and he'll be killing himself typing furiously in his Toy Story 3 pyjamas hidden away at his mum's house because you questioned his logic.
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I find it amusing that someone called "hawkeye" can't find his shift key.
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I dont even know what the beef is and the reason for all the prickliness. I've asked several times now where you disagree with what I said Hawkeye. Still no joy.
And what attacks?
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Not sure if it's going to be Arsenal but I have a feeling his Agent has convinced him that he can earn more somewhere else and if it's not Jan it will be in the Summer.
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Gerard says he's not going anywhere in January.
link (http://www.football.co.uk/aston_villa/houllier__young_will_not_leave_in_january_322610.shtml)
"They would have to buy this club for that to happen. They would have to come in with a ridiculous amount of money."
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Sell him in January while his value is still high. If we get anywhere near £20m for him we've robbed them, he's the most overrated player in the league imo. Very predictable footballer with no plan B, he cuts inside and overhits a cross or dives, and put him up against a decent fullback and he struggles. He's in it for himself aswell, constantly moaning and whinging either at his own players or the ref.
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we've got to sell him to some other club who are in a sticky position with one of their players - i.e. spurs and Kranjcar
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Going. We need to get top dollar for him in January. He lacks a finishing touch.
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Ever since that former manager of ours (who's name I've forgotten) broadcast
he was 'world class' or something similar Young7 has let it go to his head,
and not his feet -
Whilst I'm not party to what goes on at the training ground or instructions
given by the coaching staff, why is it that he appears to take most, if not all,
free kicks on the edge of the penalty area ? Downing & Bannan strike a
better delivery than Ashley at this present time.
Today he chased the referee 50 yards protesting after a decision wasn't
given in our favour instead of getting on with his game - and second half
even inflamed the travelling Villa support with a ridiculous dive -
He is in danger of losing the fans by petulant behaviour instead of
being a role model ............but maybe it's a trait he can't alter ?
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Ever since that former manager of ours (who's name I've forgotten) broadcast
he was 'world class' or something similar Young7 has let it go to his head,
and not his feet -
Whilst I'm not party to what goes on at the training ground or instructions
given by the coaching staff, why is it that he appears to take most, if not all,
free kicks on the edge of the penalty area ? Downing & Bannan strike a
better delivery than Ashley at this present time.
Today he chased the referee 50 yards protesting after a decision wasn't
given in our favour instead of getting on with his game - and second half
even inflamed the travelling Villa support with a ridiculous dive -
He is in danger of losing the fans by petulant behaviour instead of
being a role model ............but maybe it's a trait he can't alter ?
I think the word "Genius" was used by MON.
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After today I wouldn't blame him one bit if he went. Just not to Spurs. Please not to Spurs.
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I'd sell in January if we get a 15m + offer tbh.
I think he's overrated in the free role, apart from a decent second half against Manure, he's failed to majorly impact any game I've seen live this season (I didn't see the West Ham and Everton games).
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I'd be most interested in seeing if there's a stats page that tells us who Ash passes to. Maybe I'm going a bit nuts but i'm sure he's avoiding passing to Bananaman! There were many times that he was in acres of space and was ignored by Young who chose instead to take on the entire Blackburn team single handedly.
And his bollocking of the wee man was well out of order.
He also seems to think he has the best free-kick taking ability of the team but I'd rather ANYONE but him take them...and that includes Carlos - even an injured Carlos!
I'm actually at the stage where I can't stand Ashley Young.
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I think his an overrated footballer and quite limited in his skills. Would definately sell if someone came up with the right money. Players with a footballing brain like Bannan will always be more valuable than any A.Young. A few more footballing brains in midfield and a couple of hooligan goalscorers and we have the makings of a very good side.
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I think his an overrated footballer and quite limited in his skills. Would definately sell if someone came up with the right money. Players with a footballing brain like Bannan will always be more valuable than any A.Young. A few more footballing brains in midfield and a couple of hooligan goalscorers and we have the makings of a very good side.
Marlon King in the transfer window then plus Andy Carroll.
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If we sell him for more than say, £12million I'd be happy.
If we invested that in a good young and athletic defensive midfielder like M'Vila then I'd be delighted.
Picture a midfield of Bannan, Delph and M'Vila or similar. It is the stuff dreams are made of for me.
We'd also have a happier team for not having to accommodate one winger too many and would retain the potentially fantastic Albrighton and the much improved Stewie Downing.
On top of this if we pot Carew, Sidwell, Davies and Warnock amongst others it would be a great window. If we combine the money relieved from showing them the door and the Milner money we could get a new striker to compete with Gabby, a new left back, possibly a new goalie (long term replacement for Brad) and a back up wing player to back up Super Stewie and Mighty Marc and that is cooking with gas.
I am unsure of right back... I think that Lichaj COULD be a regular there for us hence, I am unsure if we need a replacement for an aging Luke Young and Habib Beye.
I really am getting ahead of myself though.
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Hmm... a lot of people turning against him. I think his positives still far outweigh the bad stuff he brings. For every bit of petulance, over-hitting free kicks, taking on three or four defenders at once rather than looking up etc. he remains the one player we have who when he has the ball is capable of brilliance. He still spots a through ball better than anyone else we have (Ireland and Bannon may do so in time), turns us from defending to attacking with his pace and is a bloody nuisance to defend against. Keep at all costs until we have a player who can do what he does because we would miss him badly if we sold him in January.
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Hmm... a lot of people turning against him. I think his positives still far outweigh the bad stuff he brings.
If he signed a contract I am pretty sure all the detractors on here (incl me) would become big fans again. He just needs a bit of fine tuning to his noggin. Like many footballers he seems to have forgotten that football is essentially good fun and that the game should be enjoyed.
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He also seems to think he has the best free-kick taking ability of the team but I'd rather ANYONE but him take them...and that includes Carlos - even an injured Carlos!
the image i've got in my head of Carlos whipping in our free kicks is making me laugh like a dipsy school girl, your completely rite though, his deliveries are terrible, every game without fail he'll take a free kick from the left and balloon it over everybodies head, it drives me crazy, especially when we have Downing and Bannan who can produce much better
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I'd be most interested in seeing if there's a stats page that tells us who Ash passes to. Maybe I'm going a bit nuts but i'm sure he's avoiding passing to Bananaman! There were many times that he was in acres of space and was ignored by Young who chose instead to take on the entire Blackburn team single handedly.
And his bollocking of the wee man was well out of order.
He also seems to think he has the best free-kick taking ability of the team but I'd rather ANYONE but him take them...and that includes Carlos - even an injured Carlos!
You're not alone in thinking that.
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Not sure whether Ash ignoring players is anything personal. He's often got a tendancy to ignore the simple pass when it's a better option, in favour of being a fancy Dan.
Clearly though, he's struggling for any kind of consistency. It's all kind of petered out for him slightly since getting Martin O Neills world class tag. His consistency dropped over the next year, and has dropped even more in the past year too.
I also wonder whether or not giving him the captaincy might be the making of him. He might not fanny about quite as much with the diving or the show ponying. With something else to think about during a game he might not overthink what he's doing with the ball too. There's a real tendency sometimes for Ash to try too hard, and to overcook, and it gets a bit desperate sometimes in the final third.
I'm still torn really. If we sell him, nows the time to do it. If we keep him, he's got to up his game. If he could play the way Downing seems to be, with his head right, confident and relaxed, he'd be back to brilliant again with his superior talent.
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To be fair v Blackpool his cross for Fonz's disallowed effort and through ball for Fonz's goal were fantastic but go pretty much unnoticed because we expect so much from him in each game. He scored 1 and set up 1 v Man U as well, so even though he's not in great form and makes the wrong decisions too frequently he's still very important for us and is involved in the best of what we do.
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I'd be most interested in seeing if there's a stats page that tells us who Ash passes to. Maybe I'm going a bit nuts but i'm sure he's avoiding passing to Bananaman! There were many times that he was in acres of space and was ignored by Young who chose instead to take on the entire Blackburn team single handedly.
It wasn't just Bannan, he also had opportunities to play in Ireland when in a good position.
If GH as per his Daily Mail article last week where he was preaching that players should always think for the good of the team before self then he too should be well aware of Young's contibution.
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To be fair v Blackpool his cross for Fonz's disallowed effort and through ball for Fonz's goal were fantastic but go pretty much unnoticed because we expect so much from him in each game. He scored 1 and set up 1 v Man U as well, so even though he's not in great form and makes the wrong decisions too frequently he's still very important for us and is involved in the best of what we do.
He scored a penalty and Downing provided the cross for Albrighton's goal. He wasn't even man of the match.
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The problem we have is, because he runs around alot with loads of energy people get fooled. The problem with Ash is he is basically playing up front but not scoring.
Take away his penalty And 2 goals against a weak balckburn in the cup And he has only scored 1 goal. We need more goals from him.
Im just interested as to where we are going to play Gabby when he and Heskey are fit.
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The problem we have is, because he runs around alot with loads of energy people get fooled. The problem with Ash is he is basically playing up front but not scoring.
Take away his penalty And 2 goals against a weak balckburn in the cup And he has only scored 1 goal. We need more goals from him.
Im just interested as to where we are going to play Gabby when he and Heskey are fit.
Why not take the other goal off him as well and then he's not scored all season.
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And yet, he was the only player who looked remotely like doing anything against Blackburn; brought two good saves out of Robinson, hit the bar with a header.
Careful what you wish for, guys. He will be very difficult to replace.
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he really is a frustrating player to watch...
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And yet, he was the only player who looked remotely like doing anything against Blackburn; brought two good saves out of Robinson, hit the bar with a header.
Careful what you wish for, guys. He will be very difficult to replace.
My thoughts exactly, players like Young only come around once in a while, he can be a world beater on his day which naturally makes it disappointing if he does have an off day.
Not sure how productive this free role is though, it's not like he is tied to the wing when he plays there.
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Don't get me wrong I want him too stay.
But he hasn't scored a single league goal in open play. One free kick and one penalty.
We as a team are not scoring enough goals coupled with conceding too many, all equaiting too bad results.
I'm just pointing out that ash has played upfront all season and is not scoring. Everyone is quick to slate Heskey for not scoring, then when he doesn't we were all slamming him saying he wasnt trying.
Villa have a problem that is Ash plays the free role really well, but it is only effective if he starts scoring or our main front man is scoring.
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I'd be most interested in seeing if there's a stats page that tells us who Ash passes to. Maybe I'm going a bit nuts but i'm sure he's avoiding passing to Bananaman! There were many times that he was in acres of space and was ignored by Young who chose instead to take on the entire Blackburn team single handedly.
And his bollocking of the wee man was well out of order.
He also seems to think he has the best free-kick taking ability of the team but I'd rather ANYONE but him take them...and that includes Carlos - even an injured Carlos!
You're not alone in thinking that.
It's not Bannan or Ireland he doesn't pass to. It's everyone else on the team. He always tries to shoot even when there's little on and even if he attempts to cross to a team mate they don't get the ball either.
As a detractor my detraction of what he does is not based on the fact I think he's a bad player. Far from it, I think he is our most complete player at the club (though others like Downing are in form and further others such as Delph, Albrighton and Bannan have the potential to be much better). It is also not particular based broadly on his attitude (though this does seem to stink, bossing players around, moaning at young players for his own deficiencies and generally prancing around like cock of the walk). My issue is more the rationalisation of our team. We need a more defensive player to come in and we have some great players, proper midfielders with huge potential like Bannan and Delph coming through. The main hindrance to this is having to accommodate three wingers. If we had a three of Delph, Bannan and a proper DM that is a great midfield but to accommodate three wingers we either need to sacrifice one of our footballers or our defender which I think is for the potential worse.
Do Downing or Albrighton deserve to be dropped more than Ashley Young? Does Ashley Young actually wish to commit to the club long term? I think the answer to the first question is no and as for the second I have no idea but guess it might be no too.
I think a big problem that might be at play is that he's played regularly this season. We've not had a game without him like we have for Downing or Albrighton. Against Blackburn yesterday and Blues a few weeks back we lacked an incisive wing player due to Albrighton's absence. Against Burnley in the cup Downing was as much of a miss as the absence of a striker until we rectified both of those things. We have not seen what things are like without Ashley Young.
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he really is a frustrating player to watch...
"infuriating" is the word i'd use!
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Great point of view.
I think we will see what kind of manager Gerrard is when everyone is fit and he actually has choices to make on team selection.
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How many did Merson, Bergkamp and Zola score from that role on average per season, probably less than many people think. He has 9 for each of the last 2 seasons out wide and 4 so far this term, so say he's on for about 11 this season, which wouldn't be bad. How many goals have we had from central midfield this season, Milner, Hogg, Herd, Bannan, Sidwell, NRC, Petrov, Clark have a combined total of what 3? He had another cap and assist for England last week too, so I don't think he's doing too bad really. But with the emergence of Albrighton, return to form of Downing and Pires' arrival we might be able to rest Ash for some games now, or drop him if he's off form, which we've never really had the luxury of being able to do before because everything went through him. Even more reason to do so if Ireland was playing how we'd expected him too.
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To be fair v Blackpool his cross for Fonz's disallowed effort and through ball for Fonz's goal were fantastic but go pretty much unnoticed because we expect so much from him in each game. He scored 1 and set up 1 v Man U as well, so even though he's not in great form and makes the wrong decisions too frequently he's still very important for us and is involved in the best of what we do.
He scored a penalty and Downing provided the cross for Albrighton's goal. He wasn't even man of the match.
He was fouled for the penalty and he carried the ball and put Downing through for the cross for the second. he also hit the bar and had a shot well saved yesterday.
He's still our best player by some distance and anyone wanting to sell him needs locking up for their own protection as they're clearly not playing with a full deck.
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As rare as this might be, I agree with Chris.
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Did anyone ever get to the bottom of whether he supported spuds or the arse as a nipper?
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Did anyone ever get to the bottom of whether he supported spuds or the arse as a nipper?
I think he's spuds but its irrelevant as he will sign a new deal when the quality signings come onto the scene such as benzema
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What about our other forwards? Ireland, Carew, Heskey, Gabby, Fonz and Weiman have 6 goals combined this season so I'd still say Ash with 4 is doing ok and is still our most productive player. Albrighton and Downing are also playing their part this season, as is Bannan, we just desperately need 2 or 3 others like Gabby, Carew, Ireland, Sidwell, Dunne, Warnock etc. to up their game to give us a chance. If they do I dont see Ash getting much more of a hard time.
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Fonz as well.
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I agree with Chris. He has his faults and sometimes he drives you crazy but wanting rid of Young at this stage is nothing short of madness.
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Did anyone ever get to the bottom of whether he supported spuds or the arse as a nipper?
I think he's spuds but its irrelevant as he will sign a new deal when the quality signings come onto the scene such as benzema
i admire your optimism!!
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What about our other forwards? Ireland, Carew, Heskey, Gabby, Fonz and Weiman have 6 goals combined this season so I'd still say Ash with 4 is doing ok and is still our most productive player. Albrighton and Downing are also playing their part this season, as is Bannan, we just desperately need 2 or 3 others like Gabby, Carew, Ireland, Sidwell, Dunne, Warnock etc. to up their game to give us a chance. If they do I dont see Ash getting much more of a hard time.
Ash has played every game and has the same amount of goals as heskey, everyone one else has hardly played, so not a fair comparison.
The League is most important and Ash hasn't scored from open play in the League.
I personally think this would be irrelevant if our other strikers were scoring, because he is playing really well, but since Heskey has been out the goals have dried up.
I think Ash has got a bit of an Attitude and is abit greedy at times but his energy and workrate is really important to the team.
Hopefully he will sign a new deal and just relax abit then the goals will come.
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League is most important to Chelsea, Man U etc maybe, but surely not to us, we have no chance of winning it or even really finishing top 4, yet we have every chance of winning one of the cups.
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Did anyone ever get to the bottom of whether he supported spuds or the arse as a nipper?
I think he's spuds but its irrelevant as he will sign a new deal when the quality signings come onto the scene such as benzema
Arsenal fan (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/w/watford/4613138.stm)
Check out the natty hairstyle too.
"You always want to test yourself at the next level.
"It is every player's dream to play in the Premiership. It is the main league in Europe - in the world even."
That ambition is now within Young's grasp, but as a teenager he almost missed out on a professional career altogether.
He explained: "Ian Wright was my hero as a boy and I still watch his videos today. I am an Arsenal fan and I always followed them.
"From the age of four I did not stop kicking a ball around, it was all I wanted to do when I was growing up.
"But when I left school I missed out on a YTS with Watford. I was not the biggest player - and I am still not.
"I got another crack at it though and I thought I have got to use the things I have got - my brain and quick feet. I worked hard and it paid off - Watford offered me a professional contract."
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I think he is going to Chelsea
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I doubt it. He's English.
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We must have the thickest fans going, only Villa fans would want to sell their best player. Jeez!
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We must have the thickest fans going, only Villa fans would want to sell their best player. Jeez!
I dont think that many want him sold but he is running down his contract and his vale depreciates with evry transfer window
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Would anyone actually want to sell him even if he was prepared to commit to the club?
Lets say for £15m?
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I've read plenty of comments alluding to the fact he's wasteful and we could easily replace him. We should see what happens in the summer and certainly not be looking to sell in January. As for money, I personally don't care. It's not our problem to run the club financially yet people carry on like they're playing some sort of PC management game.
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He will have to be sold next summer if he refuses to sign a new contract.
It's a fact of life.
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Indeed, but that's a long way off and selling him any sooner would be lunacy.
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Would anyone actually want to sell him even if he was prepared to commit to the club?
Lets say for £15m?
Not if he wanted to stay, no.
Even if we were offered £25-£30 mill, if he was happy here we should tell whoever came up with the bid to trap.
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I've read plenty of comments alluding to the fact he's wasteful and we could easily replace him. We should see what happens in the summer and certainly not be looking to sell in January. As for money, I personally don't care. It's not our problem to run the club financially yet people carry on like they're playing some sort of PC management game.
sadly its come to that, i hate it as well, and i have never understood the philosiphy of short term contracts, sign a player for 4 years at the end of the second year you have to renegotiate because another season and the return you can get starts to depreciate rapidly
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Would anyone actually want to sell him even if he was prepared to commit to the club?
Lets say for £15m?
Not if he wanted to stay, no.
Even if we were offered £25-£30 mill, if he was happy here we should tell whoever came up with the bid to trap.
the crazy thing now is that the wage comitment is more critical than the transfer price, say chelsea offer Young £5 mil a year for 4 years thats £20mil so we can match that or take £15 mil now, thats a £35mil swing, twist or stick?
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Would anyone actually want to sell him even if he was prepared to commit to the club?
Lets say for £15m?
Not if he wanted to stay, no.
Even if we were offered £25-£30 mill, if he was happy here we should tell whoever came up with the bid to trap.
the crazy thing now is that the wage comitment is more critical than the transfer price, say chelsea offer Young £5 mil a year for 4 years thats £20mil so we can match that or take £15 mil now, thats a £35mil swing, twist or stick?
It's not really a 'swing' at all.
We need to then go out and buy a replacement. Let's call that £12m. We then need to pay that player. Let's call that £15m. We then need to hope that he fits into our team and structure as well as Young does.
Is that £7m worth the risk that he turns into another Riera or Tosic?
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Would anyone actually want to sell him even if he was prepared to commit to the club?
Lets say for £15m?
Not if he wanted to stay, no.
Even if we were offered £25-£30 mill, if he was happy here we should tell whoever came up with the bid to trap.
the crazy thing now is that the wage comitment is more critical than the transfer price, say chelsea offer Young £5 mil a year for 4 years thats £20mil so we can match that or take £15 mil now, thats a £35mil swing, twist or stick?
It's not really a 'swing' at all.
We need to then go out and buy a replacement. Let's call that £12m. We then need to pay that player. Let's call that £15m. We then need to hope that he fits into our team and structure as well as Young does.
Is that £7m worth the risk that he turns into another Riera or Tosic?
i dont know, its a gamble and £7mil is still a lot of money, managers back thier own judgements and get it wrong plenty of times but they believe that they will get it right, its not a perfect science, there is only one English club that can make those calls without any fear
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If he wants out let him go. He hasn't impressed me in a long time.
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Young did nothing much on Sunday and everytime Sky shot to him he just has this stinking attitude.
He's starting to piss me off more and more and if we sign a striker I'd have Downing & Albrighton on the wings ahead of Ash.
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I'd be absolutely gutted if he left. Much more so than Milner or Barry. I think it'd be comparable to Yorkie, even if he's nowhere near as good.
If he does go, lets hope Ged can pull a Michel Bastos out of the hat though.
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Young did nothing much on Sunday and everytime Sky shot to him he just has this stinking attitude.
He's starting to piss me off more and more and if we sign a striker I'd have Downing & Albrighton on the wings ahead of Ash.
He runs his nuts off for the Villa, and he's easily our most hardest working player.
I've never seen evidence of this stinking attitude you talk of.
A lot of fans won't realise how good Young is until he's gone.
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Ashley Young IMO is one of those players that if he played for another club I'd bloody hate him.
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Ashley Young IMO is one of those players that if he played for another club I'd bloody hate him.
Because he's damn good.
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Hate him to go, wish he'd play to his strengths a lot more though.
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Young did nothing much on Sunday and everytime Sky shot to him he just has this stinking attitude.
He's starting to piss me off more and more and if we sign a striker I'd have Downing & Albrighton on the wings ahead of Ash.
He runs his nuts off for the Villa, and he's easily our most hardest working player.
I've never seen evidence of this stinking attitude you talk of.
A lot of fans won't realise how good Young is until he's gone.
I agree,sometimes it looks like he has a dodgy attitude,i just think he has a huge desire to win,he's probably the hardest worker in the team,sometimes he tries too much and over does things,but we'd be a much poorer team without him.
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Ashley Young IMO is one of those players that if he played for another club I'd bloody hate him.
Because he's damn good.
Yes, and he's a diver.
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Ashley Young IMO is one of those players that if he played for another club I'd bloody hate him.
Because he's damn good.
Yes, and he's a diver.
Most players dive. So what? For the part, he gets kicked all over the place by defenders.
He's a fantastic player and I'm glad he's at our club. I'm dumfounded anyone can claim he has a bad attitude when it seems to me he's got the best attitude of any player at the club. He's our most hard working player, easily.
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Ashley Young isn't a player you build a club around. But he's one of the first pieces after that. He's a fantastic player, and we need more players like him, not less. Are there things that he needs to improve? Off course. But the fact that some people actulally "want" to sell him is madness.
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I'd be absolutely gutted if he left. Much more so than Milner or Barry. I think it'd be comparable to Yorkie, even if he's nowhere near as good.
Same here. Not sure where all this 'stinking attitude' comes from. He looked pissed off on Sunday when his header hit the bar, and again when Robinson blocked one of his shots. So what? If he was a lazy sod, a luxury player who stood still half the time and disappeared from matches, I could understand it, but Young is always on the move, always running, always looking for the ball. One of the hardest-working forwards in the league, IMO.
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Ashley Young IMO is one of those players that if he played for another club I'd bloody hate him.
Because he's damn good.
On the wing.
The game bypasses him too much in the centre, he's not much more influential than Ireland in the role from what I've seen of him there this season.
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Be interesting to see what people think of Young if in the summer he decides to not renew his contract and leave.
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Indeed, but that's a long way off and selling him any sooner would be lunacy.
I'd only keep him in January if we're still in the Carling cup.
I really can't see what difference to our league position he'll make saying for a few more months, it's not like he's going to fire us into the top 4 by himself.
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Indeed, but that's a long way off and selling him any sooner would be lunacy.
I'd only keep him in January if we're still in the Carling cup.
I really can't see what difference to our league position he'll make saying for a few more months, it's not like he's going to fire us into the top 4 by himself.
I agree with this.
I don't think he's going to sign a new deal.
If we could get £25m for him in January, I'm afraid I'd sell.
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Be interesting to see what people think of Young if in the summer he decides to not renew his contract and leave.
I'll probably think that it's a shame because he's one of our best players. But also that he'll have given us four and a half years of his career and that if he thinks it's time to move on then c'est la vie.
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Be interesting to see what people think of Young if in the summer he decides to not renew his contract and leave.
I'd be gutted. I certainly wouldn't pretend he wasn't that good anyway just because he decided to leave.
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For people who are saying they haven't seen his attitude, I'm sorry but do you watch Villa?
He is the only Villa player who screams and
Moans at the ref who little silly things.
On Sunday he was moaning and pulling faces at Bannan because he tried to put Ash through but didn't quite make it.
We need our experienced players helping to develop and encourage our young lads not go mad at them if they misplace a pass.
Players thrive on confidence, hoillier said Bannan was gutted after the Burnley game because he had a poor game, but houllier encouraged him and that's what we need from Ash, who is one of the longest serving players.
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What really annoys me about A Young is that when another player misplaces a pass he has a go - fair enough, but when Young misplaces a pass or puts a cross in 30 feet over the striker's head, it is always the other player's fault so far as Young is concerned and he stands there pouting or holding out his arms as if to say 'look at the dross I have to play with'.
I think he's a good player in poor form at the moment, and his attitude stinks. Compare him with Messi who, difference in skills aside, plays the game with a smaile on his face. He makes it look enjoyable. Young looks like he's constantly in a bad mood.
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What really annoys me about A Young is that when another player misplaces a pass he has a go - fair enough, but when Young misplaces a pass or puts a cross in 30 feet over the striker's head, it is always the other player's fault so far as Young is concerned and he stands there pouting or holding out his arms as if to say 'look at the dross I have to play with'.
I think he's a good player in poor form at the moment, and his attitude stinks. Compare him with Messi who, difference in skills aside, plays the game with a smaile on his face. He makes it look enjoyable. Young looks like he's constantly in a bad mood.
Jesus wept!
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1333105/Manchester-United-Liverpool-target-Ashley-Young.html
£80 million..?!! Good on ya GH..
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Reduced to £60m if they'll take Ireland as well ?
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Reduced to £60m if they'll take Ireland as well ?
Take their hands off. And I'll drive the pair there myself!
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Reduced to £60m if they'll take Ireland as well ?
Man Utd - £20m + Hernandez + Valencia
or
Liverpool - £15m + Torres + Reina
We can sell Ireland to Mark Hughes.
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Absolutely ridiculous!! if I were Young I would go to GH and say if I am worth that much to the club then pay me the going rate for an £80 million pound player!!
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It hopefully puts the message across that we do not need to sell our best players.Good on GH
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Absolutely ridiculous!! if I were Young I would go to GH and say if I am worth that much to the club then pay me the going rate for an £80 million pound player!!
That's a good point.
Great amo for Ash and his agent in the contact negotiations
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OK you can pay £80mil now (sic) or wait 18 months and pay nothing, The going rate for Young is £15 to £25 mil Jan, £8 to £12mil Summer and and nothing after that.
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I'm sure GH doesn't seriously think Ash is worth 80 million.He is just saying he's not for sale in Jan.Hopefully he's confident that he can keep him at the club
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What really annoys me about A Young is that when another player misplaces a pass he has a go - fair enough, but when Young misplaces a pass or puts a cross in 30 feet over the striker's head, it is always the other player's fault so far as Young is concerned and he stands there pouting or holding out his arms as if to say 'look at the dross I have to play with'.
I think he's a good player in poor form at the moment, and his attitude stinks. Compare him with Messi who, difference in skills aside, plays the game with a smaile on his face. He makes it look enjoyable. Young looks like he's constantly in a bad mood.
Jesus wept!
Why is he weeping? I thought the post was bang on. Young's a petulant little up-himself, over-rated little oik who thinks he's God's gift to Villa.
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This thread is worse than the "Who do you want out" thread.
What really annoys me about A Young is that when another player misplaces a pass he has a go - fair enough, but when Young misplaces a pass or puts a cross in 30 feet over the striker's head, it is always the other player's fault so far as Young is concerned and he stands there pouting or holding out his arms as if to say 'look at the dross I have to play with'.
I think he's a good player in poor form at the moment, and his attitude stinks. Compare him with Messi who, difference in skills aside, plays the game with a smaile on his face. He makes it look enjoyable. Young looks like he's constantly in a bad mood.
Jesus wept!
Why is he weeping? I thought the post was bang on. Young's a petulant little up-himself, over-rated little oik who thinks he's God's gift to Villa.
Rubbish. He works as hard for the team as any winger I can remember.
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This thread is worse than the "Who do you want out" thread.What really annoys me about A Young is that when another player misplaces a pass he has a go - fair enough, but when Young misplaces a pass or puts a cross in 30 feet over the striker's head, it is always the other player's fault so far as Young is concerned and he stands there pouting or holding out his arms as if to say 'look at the dross I have to play with'.
I think he's a good player in poor form at the moment, and his attitude stinks. Compare him with Messi who, difference in skills aside, plays the game with a smaile on his face. He makes it look enjoyable. Young looks like he's constantly in a bad mood.
Jesus wept!
Why is he weeping? I thought the post was bang on. Young's a petulant little up-himself, over-rated little oik who thinks he's God's gift to Villa.
Rubbish. He works as hard for the team as any winger I can remember.
I agree, however he does do that thing with his arms when he puts a cross over everyones head, watch him tomorrow
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This thread is worse than the "Who do you want out" thread.What really annoys me about A Young is that when another player misplaces a pass he has a go - fair enough, but when Young misplaces a pass or puts a cross in 30 feet over the striker's head, it is always the other player's fault so far as Young is concerned and he stands there pouting or holding out his arms as if to say 'look at the dross I have to play with'.
I think he's a good player in poor form at the moment, and his attitude stinks. Compare him with Messi who, difference in skills aside, plays the game with a smaile on his face. He makes it look enjoyable. Young looks like he's constantly in a bad mood.
Jesus wept!
Why is he weeping? I thought the post was bang on. Young's a petulant little up-himself, over-rated little oik who thinks he's God's gift to Villa.
Rubbish. He works as hard for the team as any winger I can remember.
Agree.
I've never seen a winger track back as much as he does.
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What really annoys me about A Young is that when another player misplaces a pass he has a go - fair enough, but when Young misplaces a pass or puts a cross in 30 feet over the striker's head, it is always the other player's fault so far as Young is concerned and he stands there pouting or holding out his arms as if to say 'look at the dross I have to play with'.
I think he's a good player in poor form at the moment, and his attitude stinks. Compare him with Messi who, difference in skills aside, plays the game with a smaile on his face. He makes it look enjoyable. Young looks like he's constantly in a bad mood.
Jesus wept!
Why is he weeping? I thought the post was bang on. Young's a petulant little up-himself, over-rated little oik who thinks he's God's gift to Villa.
You really haven't got a clue.
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What really annoys me about A Young is that when another player misplaces a pass he has a go - fair enough, but when Young misplaces a pass or puts a cross in 30 feet over the striker's head, it is always the other player's fault so far as Young is concerned and he stands there pouting or holding out his arms as if to say 'look at the dross I have to play with'.
I think he's a good player in poor form at the moment, and his attitude stinks. Compare him with Messi who, difference in skills aside, plays the game with a smaile on his face. He makes it look enjoyable. Young looks like he's constantly in a bad mood.
EXACTLY !!
but i dont care as long as he gets his form back, lol
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Came in to have a quick look at this thread. Wish I hadn't. 'Bye.
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What really annoys me about A Young is that when another player misplaces a pass he has a go - fair enough, but when Young misplaces a pass or puts a cross in 30 feet over the striker's head, it is always the other player's fault so far as Young is concerned and he stands there pouting or holding out his arms as if to say 'look at the dross I have to play with'.
I think he's a good player in poor form at the moment, and his attitude stinks. Compare him with Messi who, difference in skills aside, plays the game with a smaile on his face. He makes it look enjoyable. Young looks like he's constantly in a bad mood.
Jesus wept!
Why is he weeping? I thought the post was bang on. Young's a petulant little up-himself, over-rated little oik who thinks he's God's gift to Villa.
You really haven't got a clue.
So because you don't agree that means he is wrong??? :-s
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When signing autographs for the kids at Bodymoor this lunchtime he was told he should be signing his contract rather than my lads shirt.
'what contract' he replied. Read into that what you will.
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When signing autographs for the kids at Bodymoor this lunchtime he was told he should be signing his contract rather than my lads shirt.
'what contract' he replied. Read into that what you will.
Did he dive as he said it ? !!
I read into that, that he's waiting to see whether he can get a payday like Fat Barry and Jimmy if he can.
I would love him to stay, but am a little resigned to losing him sadly.
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What really annoys me about A Young is that when another player misplaces a pass he has a go - fair enough, but when Young misplaces a pass or puts a cross in 30 feet over the striker's head, it is always the other player's fault so far as Young is concerned and he stands there pouting or holding out his arms as if to say 'look at the dross I have to play with'.
I think he's a good player in poor form at the moment, and his attitude stinks. Compare him with Messi who, difference in skills aside, plays the game with a smaile on his face. He makes it look enjoyable. Young looks like he's constantly in a bad mood.
Jesus wept!
Why is he weeping? I thought the post was bang on. Young's a petulant little up-himself, over-rated little oik who thinks he's God's gift to Villa.
You really haven't got a clue.
So because you don't agree that means he is wrong??? :-s
Nope, he's wrong because he's wrong.
He's our best and most creative player who rarely misses a game and works his socks off every week.
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He's wrong because he's wrong.
I like it.
Would that work in court?
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He's wrong because he's wrong.
I like it.
Would that work in court?
If the Jury were football fans, yes. However, if they didn't know their arse from their elbow when it came to the game then there's a chance they'd agree with Troy.
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He's our best and most creative player who rarely misses a game and works his socks off every week.
I agree with that Chris, but I did see signs of what the other posters are talking about in the Blackburn match. There was one moment where Bannan (I think) tried a long pass to Young out on the wing, which he overhit and went out for a throw. Young gave Bannan a mean look and threw his arms up in frustration. Something or nothing maybe, but possibly not the most encouraging thing to do in the circumstances.
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What really annoys me about A Young is that when another player misplaces a pass he has a go - fair enough, but when Young misplaces a pass or puts a cross in 30 feet over the striker's head, it is always the other player's fault so far as Young is concerned and he stands there pouting or holding out his arms as if to say 'look at the dross I have to play with'.
I think he's a good player in poor form at the moment, and his attitude stinks. Compare him with Messi who, difference in skills aside, plays the game with a smaile on his face. He makes it look enjoyable. Young looks like he's constantly in a bad mood.
Jesus wept!
Why is he weeping? I thought the post was bang on. Young's a petulant little up-himself, over-rated little oik who thinks he's God's gift to Villa.
You really haven't got a clue.
So because you don't agree that means he is wrong??? :-s
Nope, he's wrong because he's wrong.
He's our best and most creative player who rarely misses a game and works his socks off every week.
You're right of course, Chris. You're never wrong.
He NEVER has a go at other players, he NEVER misplaces a pass or NEVER over hits crosses and shots into the stand, he NEVER gets a strop when the ref doesn't fall for his little diving fairy routine, he NEVER loses the ball through any fault of his own and NEVER stands there grabbing his knees like he's been hit by a fucking train.
Must be some other petulant little fuck I'm watching.
Tell you what, let's add up the number of the balloonned shots/crosses/free kicks against Arsenal. Let's count the number of hit-by-a-train knee-grabs. Let's count the fairy-dives followed by arms in the air pleading to the ref while his team-mates get on with it. Let's see how many times he scowls at his own players.
If they add up to ZERO, I'll come back on here and admit that you are, in fact, the great footballing oracle.
But if..no WHEN...I'm right and those stats go well into double figures, you go ahead and kiss my arse!
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I'll be on Young-watch tomorrow. Seriously. I'll count the number of times he does all of the above.
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If Young even rolls his eyes in frustration tomorrow it'll be a sure sign he's on his way out of Aston Villa.
Didn't realise there were so many body language experts on here until I read this thread.
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I think you are both right. AY does look for the free too often, is frustrating at times and does have a go at his teammates, but he works his but off always looks like he wahts to win and when on form is our most damaging player. He looks as if he is trying too hard in a weakened side. Do i want him sold? he is in the top three at the club and we can't afford to lose him after Barry and Milner.
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I'll be on Young-watch tomorrow. Seriously. I'll count the number of times he does all of the above.
Cheers. Cuz VSM's getting the beers in for me so I'll likely double the figures! :)
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blah blah blah -If they add up to ZERO -blah blah blah
And that is why you haven't a clue.
Of course he gets things wrong now and again, but he's still our most important player.
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He really pisses me off. But he is our most important player .....
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1333105/Manchester-United-Liverpool-target-Ashley-Young.html
£80 million..?!! Good on ya GH..
Probably end up being £7 million plus David Bentley.
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£80m, one of the funniest things i've heard. No footballer is worth that let alone that whinging, diving little shit. All he did today was give the ball away and moan at everyone else. He's the most overrated player in the league.
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£80m, one of the funniest things i've heard. No footballer is worth that let alone that whinging, diving little shit. All he did today was give the ball away and moan at everyone else. He's the most overrated player in the league.
Yawn.
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By the standards he's set over the last couple of seasons, todays performance against arsenal wasn't too bad. It seems to me that someone's told him to wind his head in...the first indication being his applause of Banana's ballooned pass early in the first half. The next being his willingness to let someone else take a free kick.
Only one (probably justified) knee-grab, one shit corner, 5 rubbish passes - one that could have led to a shot on goal - and he only moaned at fellow Villa players 3 times.
In a decidedly average team - although the youth DO look very promising at this early stage, i'll grant you - Ashley Young is decidedly average.
Should he be put on the transfer list, I wouldn't give a monkey's. I would much rather ensure we keep Bannan, Clark, Downing...
I'll keep my score sheet ticking over for when we come across opposition that allow Young a bit more freedom to express himself though and then we'll see how he goes.
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if someone offered us 15 mil for him, i would snap their hands off on current form....
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I don't want him to leave, I just wish he'd concentrate on his game and encourage the younger players opposed to moaning at them.
He is a senior pro here now and having a go at Bannan for a mis-placed pass is out of order.
If the rest of them moaned at him everytime he did something wrong they'd never shut up!
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I hope he goes.
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We need at least three quality players. If we need to cash in to get them then so be it. For me, Albrighton and Downing are currently better than him on right and left wing respectively, and Ash is far from undroppable in his new role.
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Rubbish today. Where is the "Genius" that O' Neill spoke about a few seasons ago. We havn't seen much of it lately.
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Ash plays so much better when Albrighton is in the team.
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How about we put some quality players alongside Ash as opposed to blaming all of our ills on him? How about the theory that while he is and has been a very good player for us, maybe, just maybe he needs some help? And that he actually wants to do well, and while he needs to improve in a number of areas, as do most players, he gets frustrsted at himself as much as he does with others. Some people are so quick to cast our own aside. It's Ash now, Gabby has had his critics, as has Downing. We really can be our own worst enemies sometimes.
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He wasn't our worst player today but he wasn't our best either.
I don't want him to go but I think people are going a bit OTT about him
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Ash plays so much better when Albrighton is in the team.
Why has he been shit all season then when Albrighton has been in the team?
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Ash plays so much better when Albrighton is in the team.
Why has he been shit all season then when Albrighton has been in the team?
"Why has he been shit all season then" - That's a bit of an exaggeration.
Both Albrighton and Young compliment each other nicely when they play together, you'll notice it's no coincidence that both Albrighton (especially Albrighton) and Young always have good games when in the team... West Ham, Man United, Blackpool, Fulham and Wolves are just examples where Albrighton has played brilliantly and Young has played well too.
Watch next time Young and Albrighton are playing in the team.
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Well today is when i saw champs league for next season evaporate and Ashley on his way at the end of the season.
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Our best player is not going to want to hang around when he can go play for Arsenal/Spurs. Thanks for the service Ashley and I hope you get the trophies you deserve to win (just leave out the play-acting though).
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We need at least three quality players. If we need to cash in to get them then so be it. For me, Albrighton and Downing are currently better than him on right and left wing respectively, and Ash is far from undroppable in his new role.
Spot on.
I really don't like this 4-4-1-1 formation either. I think we need a big hard man midfielder flanked by two ball players (Delph and Bannan?) and that would be a fantastic midfield for me. That means that one winger no longer has his place guaranteed. I'm not saying he's shit or he should be shipped out quicktime. I think he's our outstanding player on paper. I'm just saying that we can have a better TEAM by replacing a good individual.
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We need at least three quality players. If we need to cash in to get them then so be it. For me, Albrighton and Downing are currently better than him on right and left wing respectively, and Ash is far from undroppable in his new role.
Spot on.
I really don't like this 4-4-1-1 formation either. I think we need a big hard man midfielder flanked by two ball players (Delph and Bannan?) and that would be a fantastic midfield for me. That means that one winger no longer has his place guaranteed. I'm not saying he's shit or he should be shipped out quicktime. I think he's our outstanding player on paper. I'm just saying that we can have a better TEAM by replacing a good individual.
Nobody in an advanced position such as A.Young does more for the team. I think one of the reasons Arsenal/Spurs want him is because of his ability to play for the team and do his fair share of defensive work. You won't find many attacking players with his ability doing that. They're usually wimps like Downing (who just gets worse. What is he scared of? Getting a little graze on his knee?).
OK, so this might not be his best season he's had with us, but based on his performances since he joined us, he deserves more than this stick that people seem to be giving him.
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No, he deserves the stick alright. He has the potential to be easily the best player in our team. He has the potential to be one of the best in the whole league! He showed a few seasons back that he can drop a free-kick on a dime, that he can run at defenders and absolutely terrorise any team...just look at the way the crowd would get to their feet when he had te ball: you just KNEW somehting magnificent could happen. These days, I just expect a shanked cross into the Holte or stright into the 'keepers bread basket.
Yes, to a large degree, he's a known quantity and defenders now know to double up on him. But his game hasn't really adapted, it's not matured in a way that it should have, he's not added any new tricks to his game (not good one's anyway).
A change of attitude, a bit more professionalism and a willingness to develop his game and I'd LOVE to see him stay at Villa. But at the moment he just seems highly jealous that the youngsters are getting all the (deserved) attention and his game has gone to shit. I'm more than happy to get rid.
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Young isn't that good in the free role.
Young is much better on the wing.
I await all these examples to the contary.
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Young isn't that good in the free role.
Young is much better on the wing.
I await all these examples to the contary.
You may be right. But is he better on the wing than Albrighton has been this season? Or Downing when on the left? One of the drawbacks of Ash playing on his favourite left wing, is that it means Downing on the right, where he is half the player.
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You put two solid CM's behind Ash and I think he's be a great free player. He's having to not only play a creative role, but also cover behind him. It's making him less effective in the role we need him to be effective at. Not everything is about how Ash is playing, but it is combined with the situation we as a club find ourselves in.
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Take Ash out of our team and we could be in a lot of trouble, we'd only need to look on the 2nd page of ceefax.
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Take Ash out of our team and we could be in a lot of trouble, we'd only need to look on the 2nd page of ceefax.
Like we are now you mean?
If he's our best player then god help us. The most overrated player i think i've ever seen.
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Take Ash out of our team and we could be in a lot of trouble, we'd only need to look on the 2nd page of ceefax.
Like we are now you mean?
If he's our best player then god help us. The most overrated player i think i've ever seen.
Utter rubbish.
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Take Ash out of our team and we could be in a lot of trouble, we'd only need to look on the 2nd page of ceefax.
Like we are now you mean?
If he's our best player then god help us. The most overrated player i think i've ever seen.
Utter rubbish.
Correct. This is all a bit hysterical.
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Take Ash out of our team and we could be in a lot of trouble, we'd only need to look on the 2nd page of ceefax.
Like we are now you mean?
If he's our best player then god help us. The most overrated player i think i've ever seen.
I've just contacted the Guiness Book of Records for you. You must be closing in on the world record for continuously ludicrous statements on an internet message board. Keep going I say.
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Young isn't that good in the free role.
Young is much better on the wing.
I await all these examples to the contary.
You may be right. But is he better on the wing than Albrighton has been this season? Or Downing when on the left? One of the drawbacks of Ash playing on his favourite left wing, is that it means Downing on the right, where he is half the player.
Tbf when I made this point before I always made it as one of Albrighton and Downing on the right depending on who was in form/needed a rest in the case of Albrighton especially as Marc has faded a lot in the second half of games this season.
I agree Downing isn't as effective on the right which is a bit of a problem.
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Take Ash out of our team and we could be in a lot of trouble, we'd only need to look on the 2nd page of ceefax.
Like we are now you mean?
If he's our best player then god help us. The most overrated player i think i've ever seen.
I've just contacted the Guiness Book of Records for you. You must be closing in on the world record for continuously ludicrous statements on an internet message board. Keep going I say.
Everyone standback, I think I can deal with this one.
Blackcountryvillain have you ever see Shaun Wright Phillips?
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I think Ash is playing much better in the free role, the team is far more balanced and effective with Downing Ash Albrighton behind a striker.
We just need a 20+ goal a season striker in front of them.
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bye bye stutter man.
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I think Ash is playing much better in the free role, the team is far more balanced and effective with Downing Ash Albrighton behind a striker.
We just need a 20+ goal a season striker in front of them.
I think Ash is better when he is more involved in the game. We should play him as the second striker, or the hole, whatever you wish to call it.
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Could we not keep Young out on the left and put Downing in the hole? Didn't he play there for Middlesbrough?
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I reckon the money we got from Milner won't buy a player half as good as him. The same would happen with A.Young, so what's the point in selling just to get some money when there's no-one we could get who'd be as good for the same amoun or less?
I find it all ridiculous that people are willing to sell A.Young yet not consider Downing, Sidwell or a whole host of other players to get rid of before him.
You don't sell your best players. When A.Young gets the ball, you expect something to happen, there is no other player in the team that carries that expectation at the moment.
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Could we not keep Young out on the left and put Downing in the hole? Didn't he play there for Middlesbrough?
I've said this for a while. Play him (Downing) where Barry used to play.
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Could we not keep Young out on the left and put Downing in the hole? Didn't he play there for Middlesbrough?
I've said this for a while. Play him (Downing) where Barry used to play.
Our best performances this season have been with Downing on the left, Albrighton on the right and Young in the middle. We're missing Albrighton hugely, partly because he's a good player but also because we're better balanced with him in the side.
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Its a measure of Albrighton's progress that we seem to have missed him more than any of the other, more experienced players with the possible exception of Gabby.
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Could we not keep Young out on the left and put Downing in the hole? Didn't he play there for Middlesbrough?
I've said this for a while. Play him (Downing) where Barry used to play.
That has been discussed before, but I think a few Villa fans think he'll be too lighweight in midfield and not doing enough defensive work.
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Downing is currently the best crosser of a ball we have and for that reason alone I'd keep him wide as I dont think he would be at all suited to the hurly burly of a centre midfield slot.
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Downing's main problem is that he doesn't get stuck in. Why should we play him in a position that requires more of that?
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All fair points actually. I might be wrong, it's just that I seem to remember Downing having a good time of it in the middle for Boro. It might accommodate our players better too. Imagine if we had, say Reo-Coker, dedicatedly breaking things up and allowing Downing to concentrate more on the attacking aspect. He wouldn't need to get stuck in any more than he does (or doesn't) now.
Then again, maybe Ash just needs a bit of time/luck/patience to bed into the new role behind the striker. Personally I wouldn't sell him. We need more like him, despite him clearly not having the best of times recently.
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He's a winger and most wingers haven't been known to be tough tacklers, that's the nature of them. Play him on the left where he is a fantastic crosser of the ball.
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I'd quite like to see Downing a bit more centrally aswell. He wouldn't be directly in central midfield and with his wimpness you'd obviously play two tougher central midfielders behind him.
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Some interesting points on here abaout Ashley.
He is one of our better players, but i have to admit that i agree with some of the other posters on here that Albrighton and Downing are currently better wide players, and give more than Ashley does when he plays wide.
Does he get enough goals as the free man?....not sure he does.
I can't remember who suggested it earlier, but i think the emergence of Bannan, might change the future structure of the team.
Wheras now we play a 4-2-3-1 formation, with Delph coming back into the team, i expect the formation to change to 4-1-2-2-1 system.With a M'Vila player holding, with Delph and Bannan playing in front, with 2 wide players , and a foward.I'm not sure where Ashley will fit in to that tbh.
Is he a indespensable as 2 years ago?.........No.Is he one of our betterplayers?......Yes.