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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Dante Lavelli on November 15, 2010, 02:36:35 PM
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According to the Mirror NRC has rejected villa's first contract offer. The paper claiming he wants parity with Villa's other senior players. Whilst he has been valuable this season do you think he is justified in wanting his wages doubled from £30,000 to £60,000 per week?
I'd put him around the £40k/week mark (crazy numbers but...) and then offer performance related additions. If he decides that is not enough then I think we could replace him reasonably easily.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Nigel-Reo-Coker-prepared-to-play-hardball-over-new-Aston-Villa-contract-article629227.html
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If he wants £60,000 no thanks. I like Reo, but he isn't worth that.
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Of course this is in the Mirror so could be bollocks, but...
No where near worth £60,000 a week, in fact barely worth the £30,000 a week he is on already. Give him a take it or leave it offer and then start looking else where if he is not interested.
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He's done well since coming back, but not quite well enough to double his wages.
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if he wants to play hardball, and thats a big 'IF'. as the story is in a horrible little nazi redtop rag like the mirror, but if he is holding out for that, then i would let him go and replace him with someone with good technical ability to go with the graft like lassana diarra for example...
if we are going to give out 60k per week, and again, its just tabloid speculation at the moment, but if we are, then i would rather see it spent on someone better than reo-coker...
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No way an increase! He wont get better than he's getting now wherever he goes.
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Agreed there is a bit of me that is amazed he has the cheek to even ask to double his wages, but then I take it all with a pinch of salt as it's only negotiation at this stage and of course is in the Mirror.
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I believe he's been offered £40k a week but is after £50k, give him £45k and a pay as you score bonus (so £45k), but not a penny more.
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The way it's going, he might be hard pressed to get a first team spot next season. Now is not the time to rock the boat Mr Coker.
However, The Mirror and pinches of salt go hand in hand.
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No way an increase! He wont get better than he's getting now wherever he goes.
I reckon someone would pay him around the 40k mark, whether he's worth it or not.
You can sort of see his point of view in that he's first choice now and as such feels he should be paid something similar to the other first team regulars like Gabby and Ash. But he's much more easy to replace and he needs to remember that.
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We should do the same as Manu have done with Rooney, give him an improved contract for signing for another 3 years, hope he earns it by keeping up his form then sell him to the highest bidder at the start of next season.
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give him 40ish, i think he is probably worth that, but as others have said, no thanks at 60k, even if he is amongst the best players in the world without a football.
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£40K? Bye
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I was one of those who wanted him to feature more regularly over the past few seasons.
Perhaps not as a guaranteed first choice but as an option in a three man midfield to make it more combative.
It's only right that he and his agent get the best deal they possibly can. Factor into the equation also that a number of Prem clubs would possibly pay that if he becomes a free agent. As fans we'll automatically assume that even if he gets a lower offer from us he should stay, but he's endured a frustrating few years at the club and his next contract will probably be the most important of his career.
That said, what he'd be looking for there (if true) would be elite wages compared to others at the club and I don't think he's an elite player. If he goes, so be it. I'm pretty certain we could get better.
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The kind of wages earned by modestly talented players never fails to astonish me.
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he's probably thinking OK im first choice at the moment but if GH signs someone better in Jan or the summer I could find myself in the stiffs again and if that happens I want to be on more than I was, In a way you can't blame him but also he isnt worth that.
More than likely its bollocks
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I'd let him go. If GH with his contacts can't find a better replacement in the next 2 windows I'll be amazed.
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You've got to do something pretty special to double your wages, he's done well, but not THAT well.
Houllier will have a replacement in mind.
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I can understand why he'd be looking to be brought in line with other senior players at the club; he is pretty much our vice-captain, after all. He's shown enough so far this season to suggest he has a part in our future, which is more than you can say for several others.
Never sure how accurate these figures are but I hope we can agree some sort of compromise. And when you think that Beye is reportedly on £40k a week....
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at a risk of repeating myself, Beye 40k?, bye (Only have to lose one letter).
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I met NRC on saturday he was polite signed my programme but £60k per week thanks but no thanks.
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He's done well but he's more of an athlete than a footballer and hence very replaceable, if he learns how to pass the ball he might begin to be worth what he's already being paid.
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After the way MON treated him, we are lucky he wants to stay at all.
However, just like everyone else, he has to earn his pay so let's seee what happens. I'm sure Gerrard and Randy will handle it right.
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He's done well but he's more of an athlete than a footballer and hence very replaceable, if he learns how to pass the ball he might begin to be worth what he's already being paid.
He's replaceable and yet... out of that current injury list (now that gabby is fit) he's the one player I want to see back more than anyone else.
I just think, come the summer, there's a list of players there we need to be selling/releasing. For me, Reo-Coker's name isn't on that list. I do agree he's not worth £60k but I'm hoping negotiations will still end up with an agreement.
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After the way MON treated him, we are lucky he wants to stay at all.
However, just like everyone else, he has to earn his pay so let's seee what happens. I'm sure Gerrard and Randy will handle it right.
are you mad, footballers need a fucking reality check! No man in the world should be on £30,000 per week, let alone a man kicking a bag of wind about. These twats make my season ticket price go up, my programme and my balti pie virtually unaffordable. tell him to stick it up his ass!
The man is average at best, as we have not missed his hard knock performances or his shit effort at missing a winner at chelsea! Very Average!!!!
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The problem might be that we are paying silly wages to the likes of Beye and Sidwell, and it's understandable that NRC thinks that he is worth more than them. However, to get the wage costs under control, the club has to draw a line somewhere.
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No man in the world should be on £30,000 per week, let alone a man kicking a bag of wind about.
Reo Coker has been kicking Sidwell?
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Mirror so probably a bit jackanory. Not sure why but I was surprised to see he's only 26, so there's a good 4 years in him at least. Can understand why he (or his agent) are pressing for a big rise but the question I ask if he wants parity with, say, Gabby, is - who do we miss more when they're out of the team? On that basis no way should he be getting the same whack.
He can probably afford to play hardball and leave on a free next summer with a nice fat sign-on fee for a lesser team than Villa - his choice and probably not that hard to replace with better
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Before the Fulham game he might have stood a chance but now..... we'll settle for the cheap youngsters!!
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Houllier said in a press conference last week that he is on 30, wants 50 and there is a figure of 40 in the middle that hopefully all parties will settle at. If he wants to stay and play for us he will sign it, if he wants to think about what playing for a big club was like for the next few years as he shines is a shite prem side, he will go.
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After the way MON treated him, we are lucky he wants to stay at all.
Yes, the poor hard done by £30k a week little lamb.
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I can't think of any logical reason why he would sign a new contract at the moment.
Whatever we're offering at the moment, there's no reason why we wouldn't still be offering it in the summer. He might as well see what else happens.
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Nah sorry, as much as I like reo, offer him an extension no way rise, if he doesn't want to stay at a big club let him go Stoke or Blackburn for 40k.
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40k? Catch a grip.
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There should be more transpanency about everyone's wages, all the players wages should be listed in the programme in league table form.
Going from 30K to 50K a week is a difference of 1M a year, there is a hell of a lot of room in between.
I wonder who his agent has told him are interested in him, he is lucky to be playing for us not the other way round.
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I can't think of any logical reason why he would sign a new contract at the moment.
For the first time in his stay here he is an important player, he's in form and in a strong negotiating position. I wouldn't have thought there are many teams capable of paying him £60k a week and even fewer of them would be inclined to do so.
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Makes me angry reading that article. Really hope its not true. NRC spent the past few years on the bench happily on 30k a week, now he has 5 consistent games he feels he deserves an increase. My bo**ocks. He barely deserves a renewal offer of 30k. Ship him out in Jan if he hasnt signed a new contract by then.
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SIdwell probably earns more than NRC. No wonder he's fucked off.
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I would'nt get too annoyed by an article written in a paper which is renowned for making stories up.
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These guys just do not have any handle on reality - at a time where hundreds of thousands are fearing the loss of their job and others like me taking cuts of pay upto 30% ,these pampered so called professionals are seeking pay hikes of £1m per year.....**** off Nige and take some of the other overpaid tossers with you.
Oh I forgot...its only a short career etc etc
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Houllier said in a press conference last week that he is on 30, wants 50 and there is a figure of 40 in the middle that hopefully all parties will settle at.
Did he? Can't imagine a manager being so open about wage amounts when talking to the press.
As for Reo-Choker, I can understand him being pissed off about being on less than Habbi Daze and Sidders, but a 100% increase is extracting the michael a bit.
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You've got to do something pretty special to double your wages, he's done well, but not THAT well.
Houllier will have a replacement in mind.
Makoun perhaps?
He's a decent player but again I wouldn't lose any sleep over him going. In fairness both Liverpool and Spurs could do with him in their midfield so wouldn't surprise me if one of them came in for him in January.
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The scary thing is I think I'm right in saying both Beye and Sidwell took paycuts to join us as they were both on 50k + at their previous clubs.
Modern football eh, we really need to get those two off our books before NRC.
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I can't think of any logical reason why he would sign a new contract at the moment.
For the first time in his stay here he is an important player, he's in form and in a strong negotiating position. I wouldn't have thought there are many teams capable of paying him £60k a week and even fewer of them would be inclined to do so.
A club like Fulham might be prepared to take the hit re wage demands seeing as there is no fee involved.
He might even draw interest from clubs in and around the top 4 - as a squad player anyroad.
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That is the thing he has in his favour. The lack of a fee means some clubs will be prepared to pay more in wages. But I don't think a few good games at last should lead to a 66% increase in wages.
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I'd offer him the going rate for a first team player at Villa. Maybe £35-40k a week. If he wants more, then flog him. We could replace him.
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He's bound to try and get the best deal he can. Anyone would. As someone mentioned earlier I trust RL and GH to handle the things correctly.
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Why shouldn't our vice captain want a little more than parity with Habib Beye?
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Makoun in if he is demanding anything over 35k.
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Reo Coker is only doing what anyone would do in his position. His contract is up in the summer and it will cost us at least 5-6m to replace him. He is still young enough and I would keep him. He will only be going to a club worse than Villa so Id expect all parties to see sense. Maybe incentivise number of appearances - with the emergence of Bannan and Clark, Delph coming back from injury after Xmas, Ireland possibly rediscovering his form and Petrov and Sidwell still around - centre midfield will be a competitive one after Xmas.
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From Sporting Life, and I am sure other sources
Gerard Houllier hopes Aston Villa can reach a compromise with Nigel Reo-Coker and persuade him to sign a new contract.
Reo-Coker's current deal expires in the summer and he is reported to want an increase in wages from £30,000 to £50,000 a week to remain at Villa Park.
Houllier confirmed that talks are ongoing with Reo-Coker, who is currently sidelined with a knee problem suffered at Fulham at the weekend.
And the former Liverpool boss is keen for Reo-Coker to stay after making him stand-in skipper when Stiliyan Petrov was ruled out for two months with his own knee injury.
Houllier confirmed: "There are talks going on at the moment regarding Nigel. Am I confident a compromise can be reached? Yes, between the two figures mentioned.
"That's a compromise. The figures mentioned are 30,000 and 50,000 and between there is 40,000.
"I want to keep Nigel and they (Reo-Coker and his representatives) know that. He was my captain."
Meanwhile, Houllier insists he showed no disrespect to striker John Carew and that his comments were misinterpreted.
Houllier and Carew were involved in a public spat over the weekend but the Villa boss is adamant everything has been resolved and explained the situation to the whole squad.
He said: "This is my last word. The matter is over. I just explained in front of everybody there was a discrepancy in terms of John's interpretation and what I said.
"My words (at press conferences) are always recorded so when John saw that he realised that there was a difference.
"The matter is over. I think it was better the whole team knows what I said and why I said it so that's finished now.
"I'm surprised because he's a very experienced player. He's been around everywhere and he knows me and he knows that sometimes the media can twist your words or use one angle.
"He knows that. I think the Norwegian press distorted what was in the English press or what was said."
This was on 9th November so last week. Direct quotes to what I said earlier re the meeting between 30 and 50k.
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Simple soloution. Get rid. Clarke is already a better all round player, with better distribution and who dont foul every second tackle. He also has superior heading ability ........
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Simple soloution. Get rid. Clarke is already a better all round player, with better distribution and who dont foul every second tackle. He also has superior heading ability ........
Reo Coker has Villa over a barrel here really. We dont sign him up and he will probably sign a pre contract agreement in January with someone like Fulham which he is perfectly entitled to and we lose a player whom we bought for 8m for nothing. With Stephen Ireland on reportedly 80k a week you cant blame Reo Coker for asking for 50k.
If we give him a 3 year contract we can still flog him down the road.
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Reo Coker has Villa over a barrel here really. We dont sign him up and he will probably sign a pre contract agreement in January with someone like Fulham which he is perfectly entitled to and we lose a player whom we bought for 8m for nothing. With Stephen Ireland on reportedly 80k a week you cant blame Reo Coker for asking for 50k.
If we give him a 3 year contract we can still flog him down the road.
It doesn't work like that though does it?
We've seen over the past few years that when you pay players more than the going rate, and there's been plenty said about Villa's wage bill being much larger than both Spurs and Everton as a result of paying average players (I'm looking at you Habib Beye!) silly money, then you can't sell them on. Luke Young turned down Liverpool for heaven's sake in the Summer because they wouldn't pay him anywhere near what we do!
How many players have we sold to anyone other than Man City over the past few years? Shorey, Luke Moore, and Zat Knight are the only ones I can think of. The rest who have gone have left because we didn't renew their contracts.
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I thought players could only negotiate pre-contract agreements with clubs abroad?
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Luke Young turned down Liverpool for heaven's sake in the Summer because they wouldn't pay him anywhere near what we do!
No he didn't (http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Aston-Villas-Luke-Young-pleased-he-didnt-join-Liverpool/11100/)
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I hope that's the naivity of youth you're showing there!
Of course he's going to say that - there arent many footballers who would come out and say that the other team wouldnt pay as much so I'd rather stay where I am!
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Why shouldn't our vice captain want a little more than parity with Habib Beye?
When you put it like that then.... fair do.
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I can't think of any logical reason why he would sign a new contract at the moment.
For the first time in his stay here he is an important player, he's in form and in a strong negotiating position. I wouldn't have thought there are many teams capable of paying him £60k a week and even fewer of them would be inclined to do so.
But we're not offering to pay even two-thirds of that figure at the moment.
As I said, whatever we're offering him now there's no reason we wouldn't offer it to him in the summer. He can keep his options open until then.
I could quite easily see someone bigger than us coming in for as back-up in midfield. Similar to when Chelsea picked up Sidwell on massive wages as an occasional squad player because there was no transfer fee to pay.
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Who knows, he might lose form, he might break his leg and we revise our offer to him downward.