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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Dave P on November 05, 2010, 01:04:43 PM
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Out for 3-4 weeks according to SSN
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Can merge topics!
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It's just getting ridiculous now.
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You've got to be taking the piss?
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Down to bare bones now. Frightening.
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Weimann
Heskey
Carew
Gabby
Any more strikers ??
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Can somebody piss on the corner flags please.
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Sink or swim for the Fonz now.
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Your time is now, Nathan.
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Can we recall Collins Jr?
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Slightly straying, what was the prognosis on Weimann. What was the injury, and how long is he out for. Must have missed it when originally discussed.
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Can see him leaving Delfonesu on the bench, and playing Young as a lone striker.
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Its quite possible Carew has played his last game for the club. I can't see him convincing Houllier to give him a new contract (even if he wants one). We might as well get what we can in January.
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Are we in Gabor Kiraly emergency loan territory?
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Its quite possible Carew has played his last game for the club.
I've read that line a few times in the past 3 or 4 years. What about playing Big James Collins up front and bring Cueller back in as centre half.
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Blimey, this is getting utterly ridiculous now. Wrap the fonz up in cotton wool between games please.
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You mean Carew was fit in the first place?!
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For fucks sake. How many strikers can we have injured at once?
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Are we in Gabor Kiraly emergency loan territory?
Why, can he play upfront as well as in goal?
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<bing bong>
Nathan Delfuonso to the managers Office please, thats Nathan Delfuonso to the Managers Office. Thank you.
<bing bong>
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Slightly straying, what was the prognosis on Weimann. What was the injury, and how long is he out for. Must have missed it when originally discussed.
Some evil Austrian bastard did him in the away leg of the Vienna match. The crowd bood him off and threw things at him while he was stretchered off.
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Well its time to see what young Nathan can do! good luck to him.
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Magic!!
Talking of the Fonz, he has requested to go out on loan and Houllier has told him to get tougher (in the Meaning Evil). Guess we'll find out if he really is good enough. Just pray we play the ball on the floor or we'll be screwed!
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Young up top, bring wee Barry into the middle ground, Delf from the bench for the last 30 mins.
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FFS! If this was Spurs, Citeh or Man Utd I'm sure they'd be trying to get some special dispensation from the FA to bring in a couple of players on loan. Do any clubs have any decent quality strikers available warmin the bench? (does not include Super Kev).
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I wouldnt play young on his own up front
Against Burnley for an hour we gave there back for too easy a ride
We need to start with the Fonz, someone who can hold the ball up and win a bit in the air otherwise your just trying to pass through a side and that just wont happen
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Magic!!
Talking of the Fonz, he has requested to go out on loan and Houllier has told him to get tougher (in the Meaning Evil). Guess we'll find out if he really is good enough. Just pray we play the ball on the floor or we'll be screwed!
Send me out on loan you c*** or I'll fuck you up.
That type of thing?
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Magic!!
Talking of the Fonz, he has requested to go out on loan and Houllier has told him to get tougher (in the Meaning Evil). Guess we'll find out if he really is good enough. Just pray we play the ball on the floor or we'll be screwed!
Send me out on loan you c*** or I'll fuck you up.
That type of thing?
:)
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Fair enough I didn't go to the Burnley match, you're probably right Young needs to play off someone, but I'd make sure he played pretty high to support Nathan and with Albrighton and Downing wide we could cause them some problems. Would put Clark in ahead of Sidwell and Ireland too.
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Fuck me. Ridiculous.
The Fonz has to get a go now. We'll truly see if GHou really doesn't rate him.
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I am actually quite excited about Nathan’s sink or swim chance. We all know he’s got the ability, because the lad has everything. It’s just a case of whether he’s got that mental toughness to be able to do it in the Premier League.
He’s strong enough to lead the line, even for a kid he’s physically big enough, while he’s also a lot more mobile and quicker than Carew. A big opportunity for him to make himself.
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Carew is now a useless heap of shit and I'm almost glad we don't have to rely on him.
We have no choice other than to play Delfouneso.
I really hope the kid steps upto the plate, can't see it.
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anyone else getting that feeling the 4-6-0 might happen again?
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It's getting stupid now. Can clubs do an emergency loan for strikers like you can for keepers, and if so, does anyone know the criteria to qualify?
Or maybe we should just stick an ad on teletext.
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This could be a blessing in disguise. I really rate the Fonz and reckon he will step up to the responsibility.
He could be awesome given the chance.
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I hope GH tells Nathan tonight that he is playing, and that this is his big chance, so he has a bit of time to get his head round playing.
Games against Fulham away and Blackpool at home are not the most daunting in the world, and as Ads has said it is sink or swim time.
I'd be very disappointed if he is just on the bench tomorrow, it's not like he's never played before.
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anyone else getting that feeling the 4-6-0 might happen again?
It isn't 4-6-0 tho is it?
So we're playing 2 'midfielders' upfront doesn't mean that we're not playing anyone upfront. Surely you're not that simple.
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He really is a useless so and so isn't he. Right when we actually need him to be at his strong marauding best he only goes and gets injured.
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He really is a useless so and so isn't he. Right when we actually need him to be at his strong marauding best he only goes and gets injured.
He'll be gone soon.
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Houllier has already said that Nathan is the main striker.
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..............Brad
Young Collins Dunne Warnock
Young NRC Clark Downing
..........Ireland
..........Delfouneso
That's what I'd play.
Perfect chance for Ireland to have the freedom to get forward.
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I don't think he'll play fonz. It'll be Young with Ireland or Bannan behind. Don't agree with it to be honest be there you go.
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Could that please fire that so-called fitness coach pronto?!
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I don't think he'll play fonz. It'll be Young with Ireland or Bannan behind. Don't agree with it to be honest be there you go.
"It will be an opportunity for young Nathan to step up. Definitely Nathan will be the striker."
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..............Brad
Young Collins Dunne Warnock
Young NRC Clark Downing
..........Ireland
..........Delfouneso
That's what I'd play.
Perfect chance for Ireland to have the freedom to get forward.
How about Albrighton?
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Delfouneso was sat not far from us for the youth cup game at home to Newcastle last season, i've heard alot about his attitude not being rite and him thinking he's already made it etc but being there on a thursday nite to give the kids support would kind of suggest otherwise, I bloody hope he takes his chance over the next month
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I still doubt if the Fonz will get a game.
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BBC Site says:
Houllier confirmed that Nathan Delfouneso will make his first Premier League start after 14 appearances as a substitute during the past three seasons.
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time for delfouneso to step up to the plate...
i just hope the service and support are there...
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This could be a blessing in disguise.
We all want to see what the Fonz can do, now that GH is forced into a situation it could be his and our luck that the Fonz performs like we hope he can.
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There was no other option than for Delfouneso to play - he's still only very young but maybe this may allow him to give him his first real big chance. With our striker injury crisis going on right now I'm sure Nathan is going to impress Houllier as much as he can because he'll want to be more involved in the team in the future.
We're suffering real bad with injuries now and from being "Oh, we'll be able to cope" it's now "FUCK, how can it get this bad... we're so unlucky with all these injuries, we only have 1 striker!".
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Who's in the youth set up who could step up right now? Collins jnr is out on loan isn't he? Whatever happened to McGurk? Do we still have Gustavo Bartelt hidden in a locker somewhere?
To be honest, this season is a bit of a write off, so it would be nice to see the likes of Fonzy and Bannan get as much of a run as Albrighton. I'm more than confident we'd not be in danger of relegation.
It's not long till january anyhow, so we can cling on till then for re-inforcements.
What is clear though, is that Carew AND Heskey are both ready for the glue factory. There's just no point having them when they spend so much time injured or nursing injuries, or playing with niggles and below their potential. Onwards and upwards.
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Anyone going to Fulham, take your boots. You might get a game.
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Getting ridiculous now !!
I'd play Fonz up front on his own ash just behind and Ireland in the middle
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Let's bring Rooney, Defoe and Van Persie in on loan for a month!
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Some fitness coach?
Where's all these up and coming kids we can depend on as well ?
At least its an away game, the opposition will play to our breakaway tactics and there are a few capable of scoring in such situations.
Mind Rooney needs match practice can't we do a deal with Sir A
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Gary Shaw out of retirement.
And give Sid a shirt while you're about it. I bet he's more mobile than Sidwell.
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Maybe my suspicious mind but how on earth does
John (doesn't try very hard in training) Carew pick up an injury
the morning before saturday's match ?
Anyone who witnessed what he puts in to a warm up when
there was an open training session at Villa Park couple of weeks
ago might wonder about this training ground injury
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Some fitness coach?
Where's all these up and coming kids we can depend on as well ?
Well that'll be the Fonz and the old fart Agbonlahor that have come through our excellent youth system.
It is frankly embarrassing though for a PL team to be unable to field a senior striker. Very poor show indeed.
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Personally, I think this just shows how unfit Villa really were. The amount of injuries that have been sustained through training really shows that this new, proper regime is taking their toll.
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Llarsson?
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This could be a blessing as Carew will be gone soon,and the Fonz will get some much needed action. I personally think he has a good footballing brain,and this will be a great test for him and his ability.
Im just worried what are plan b is for tomorrow? And if anyone else gets injured. Frank Macavenie on loan?
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anyone else getting that feeling the 4-6-0 might happen again?
It isn't 4-6-0 tho is it?
So we're playing 2 'midfielders' upfront doesn't mean that we're not playing anyone upfront. Surely you're not that simple.
Surely your not simple enough to think midfielders are forwards....
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What's Giles de Bilde up to these days?
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Can Luke Young play as a striker?
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If Fonz gets injured A Young will have to go up top with Barry coming in. Also Gabby should be back for the Blackburn match so will only miss the next 3. Weimann might be back soon too, but I'm only guessing with that. I bet Stephen Ireland never thought when he signed that with Delph, Petrov, Gabby, Heskey, Weiman and Carew all out not only would he not be starting but that Bannan would be more likely to come off the bench than him.
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What's Giles de Bilde up to these days?
Hanging around with Luc Nillis i think.
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Everton played well with no strikers last season I think, Cahill and Feillani filled in and they still secured some good results.
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after some long hard thought i have decided that Brad Guzan should be put up front and be told its a game of piggy in the middle. You ever saw him playing piggy in the middle? He's like a pig in sh*t.
If Collins and Zak Knight can be used as strikers so can Bradley!
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Feel a bit bad for Carew - this was possibly his last chance to get a run of games as our main striker.
I said in another thread after he scored against Arsenal in the stiffs that Fonz would get a chance between now and the New Year, I didn't think it would come this quickly!
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Apparently Carew getting injured makes this a 'crisis'. For me, the crisis was that we might have to play Carew. I'd rather play the Fonz or play the 4-6-0 that can be, actually, a very attacking formation depending on who you have in the 6 - and my feeling is we'd have four attack-minded players in the 6, making us very attack minded.
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Some fitness coach?
Where's all these up and coming kids we can depend on as well ?
One will be playing, one is injured and one is out on loan.
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Incredible news.
MON had a lot of 'luck' with regard to injuries, GH is being exposed early on to just how shallow our squad is.
Message to Fonz - go get em bud!
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The transfer window is not far off. Gérard Houllier should look to the French for strikers.
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Is Marlon on loan or sold?
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Yes there are some prolific strikers in France
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Personally, I think this just shows how unfit Villa really were. The amount of injuries that have been sustained through training really shows that this new, proper regime is taking their toll.
Or maybe the opposite - whatever is happening now could be the problem.
Something's not right though.
But this does force some potentially exciting changes, and might be what's needed to get to fully see some of the younger lads...
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Could this be an opportunity for the Fonz??
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Is Marlon on loan or sold?
Technically neither - his contract ran out, Villa decided not to renew it, so he was released, and later joined Blackpool on a 2 year deal
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We were struggling for goals with our strikers fit....this is actually worrying....
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Houllier obviously doesn't rate Fonz - he didn't even get a look in in the league cup - so maybe he's just not doing it in training. Let's hope he proves Ged wrong tomorrow, or at least gives him something to think about.
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Ring Dion and see if his boots still fit. He's not that old.
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Carew and heskey have both been injury prone since joining us- it's not a new thing! I'm wondering if there are any free agents out there who are looking for a club still- we are allowed to sign free agents, and that may be the option we have to take.
I hope the fonz gets a chance but fear we will be going for a 0-0 in our next 3 or games- not geds fault , but I'm sure he will sign at least one striker in January .
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http://www.brighthub.com/video-games/pc/articles/57211.aspx
Take ya pick ;)
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Our treatment room is getting pretty full now three strikers injured two within days of each other aswell as Petrov and Delph it's not getting any better let's just hope that the player's who replace them step up to the plate.
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This is no great loss. What happened anyway, did he cack himself at the thought of having to play a full 90 minutes?
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I hope they have wrapped the fonz in cotton wool and packed him in a bomb proof box. Wheel it out onto the pitch and release him just before kick off.
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Time up for Carew I reckon.
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Has anybody heard Houllier's press conference today? Did he say anything about the Delfouneso?
Surely he saw that playing ash n Ireland against Burnley didn't work?!
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The Physio Room has Andreas Weimann out until February.
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I wonder if Carew is really injured.
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I wonder if Carew is really injured.
It crossed my mind too. Who knows. Either way, the fact is Carew has too many off days and not enough on now. He's been a really decent player for us and been pivotal in some great moments - I'd rather he leave with those memories clear rather than go out with a whimper. Time to sell in Jan.
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Yes there are some prolific strikers in France
Anelka ? lol
I take it that was a sarky comment !
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I wonder if Carew is really injured.
From the BBC:
"He picked up an injury in training on Thursday. He had a scan and there is a slight tear of his calf."
...so unless he's learnt to trick the scanning equipment, yes he's really injured.
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I wonder if Carew is really injured.
From the BBC:
"He picked up an injury in training on Thursday. He had a scan and there is a slight tear of his calf."
...so unless he's learnt to trick the scanning equipment, yes he's really injured.
Unless the club are engaging in some "withdrawn due to sickness" covering up.
Incidentally, I am not suggesting I choose to believe that, it is the fact that it crossed my mind which concerns me.
From Neil Moxley's Twitter"
Gold kicks off row with Pannu, no-show from Carew (again) and RDM says Mancini 'must win' on Sunday. Big Mick gives 'Jarvo' thumbs up.
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its that bloody training routine houllier has brought in, the players are not used to it and as carew does fuck all anyway no wonder he is injured after doing a bit of hard work
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[edit] forgot to quote Paulie above [/edit]
Fair enough, having read some of the stories in McGrath's autobiography I won't deny that we don't always get the truth.
Anyway, hopefully the Fonz will make this thread seem irrelevant by 5pm tomorrow!
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Yes there are some prolific strikers in France
Anelka ? lol
I take it that was a sarky comment !
Yes sarcasm may be ...as in school kids, Dockers, Farmers ...any worker really!
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Does the 'emergency loan' rule only cover goalkeepers? If not, a bid for Santa Cruz might be ok. Get him on loan with a view to signing him in January. They have already said they will sell him in the New Year, why not loan him to us now we are no longer their competitors? We have got Man U next week too... they would want us as strong as possible for that game.
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Goalkeepers only.
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I think this is a great chance for the Fonz. He is the best young English striker in the country. I wonder why the Rodwells' and Wilshires get their chance and come good but we have been reluctant to use our kids (well up to this season). I think now he should get consecutive games, the pressure will be off a little
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Bloody hell this has got to be a first.
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I wonder if Carew is really injured.
From the BBC:
"He picked up an injury in training on Thursday. He had a scan and there is a slight tear of his calf."
...so unless he's learnt to trick the scanning equipment, yes he's really injured.
Unless the club are engaging in some "withdrawn due to sickness" covering up.
Incidentally, I am not suggesting I choose to believe that, it is the fact that it crossed my mind which concerns me.
From Neil Moxley's Twitter"
Gold kicks off row with Pannu, no-show from Carew (again) and RDM says Mancini 'must win' on Sunday. Big Mick gives 'Jarvo' thumbs up.
Sadly, that was my first thought. Football eh? Pah.
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The back of the Mail has a piece about Carew's big chance to shine. Seem they didn't pick up in the news if he was injured yesterday.
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I am actually quite excited about Nathan’s sink or swim chance.
Agreed Ads.
It's in less that ideal circumstances, but it could be a blessing in disguise.
There are various reports that Fonz has been 'difficult' in training. Based largely on the NRC/ MON skirmish last year, Kevin Mac's reluctance to use him earlier in the season and GH seemingly also reticent.
Could be a lot of second guessing going on with very little substance to back it up. But even if he is a shit trainer, he wouldn't be the first. Some players only come alive when the stakes are high and there is something riding on their contribution.
He could have at least a month now to either make the position his own, or at least convince GH that he could be a useful option. Chances are GH will be bringing in his own players this Jan regardless (if he felt that he could get away without signing a forward or two I think that idea has been well and truly scotched - another plus).
It sounds reasonable and balanced to say the Fonz could still feature even if he doesn't make an impression over the next four weeks - he is young enough after all. But I really wouldn't fancy his chances if he doesn't seize this opportunity. I'd wager that our frontline options could look quite different by Feb 1st and managers tend to give their own signings first priority.
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its his big chance he has to take it, if not its the championship for him
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I am actually quite excited about Nathan’s sink or swim chance.
Agreed Ads.
It's in less that ideal circumstances, but it could be a blessing in disguise.
There are various reports that Fonz has been 'difficult' in training. Based largely on the NRC/ MON skirmish last year, Kevin Mac's reluctance to use him earlier in the season and GH seemingly also reticent.
Could be a lot of second guessing going on with very little substance to back it up. But even if he is a shit trainer, he wouldn't be the first. Some players only come alive when the stakes are high and there is something riding on their contribution.
He could have at least a month now to either make the position his own, or at least convince GH that he could be a useful option. Chances are GH will be bringing in his own players this Jan regardless (if he felt that he could get away without signing a forward or two I think that idea has been well and truly scotched - another plus).
It sounds reasonable and balanced to say the Fonz could still feature even if he doesn't make an impression over the next four weeks - he is young enough after all. But I really wouldn't fancy his chances if he doesn't seize this opportunity. I'd wager that our frontline options could look quite different by Feb 1st and managers tend to give their own signings first priority.
It's a no-lose situatation for Fonz really - if he comes in and shows what he can really do there's nobody available to take his place from him and he can shine. And if he doesn't score, he will at least be the equivalent of his better paid equivalents in the squad and we'll finally know if he's capable of cutting it at the top level.
If I was him right now, I'd be visualising how slow and lumbering I was going to make Brede Hangeland look.
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its that bloody training routine houllier has brought in, the players are not used to it and as carew does fuck all anyway no wonder he is injured after doing a bit of hard work
It's the keeping the ball on the deck bit and passing to each other that's doing them in.
Anyway, it's a chance for Fonz to stake his claim. He's got a pretty clean run of it with Gabby just getting back into things. If Fonz can take off here, it will give Gabby proper time to recover as opposed to being rushed back. He offers pace and movement up front. Surround him with soem creativity he has the ability to make it count. What will be interesting to see is if he has the desire.
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I'm looking forward to seeing The Fonz team up with Ashley Young & Marc Albrighton. At least he will be more mobile than Carew. Looking forward to this now.
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its his big chance he has to take it, if not its the championship for him
How many times does this need to be said.
He. Is. Nineteen. Years. Old.
Even if he completely balls up today then he will still get another chance.
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But he might not get another chance to show it with us as, as has been said, GH must be looking to bring people in in January.
Personally, i've not really seen anything in Delfonuso that has made me think he's anywhere near ready/good enough in the top flight - and if we really had the major talant on our hands that some have suggested (MON amongst them) then I really think we would of done by now.
So this is a massive chance for him and he must, must, must take it. That doesn't mean he has to score 4 in 6 or anything like that (although that would be brilliant) he just has to look like he is/could be at home in the first XI.
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But he might not get another chance to show it with us as, as has been said, GH must be looking to bring people in in January.
And? Does that mean we are suddenly going to sell off our young players?
Because Albrighton didn't break through two years ago (when he was Nathan's current age) should we have sold him even though we bought other wingers in that time?
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Carew in a Norweigan newspaper this morning reacting GH comments they he must prove himself for a new contract. Also suggesting GH ill prepared for Villa job.
Beginning of the end for Big John.
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I'm very confident that if Delfouneso can get himself in to the positions irelands found himself in, he will be alot more composed.
I'm really excited about DelBoy getting a chance.
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Carew in a Norweigan newspaper this morning reacting GH comments they he must prove himself for a new contract. Also suggesting GH ill prepared for Villa job.
Beginning of the end for Big John.
http://www.vg.no/sport/fotball/engelsk/artikkel.php?artid=10034726
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Carew in a Norweigan newspaper this morning reacting GH comments they he must prove himself for a new contract. Also suggesting GH ill prepared for Villa job.
Beginning of the end for Big John.
http://www.vg.no/sport/fotball/engelsk/artikkel.php?artid=10034726
Among the quotes:
- Maybe Houllier isn't prepared for the job, as a lot of things have changed at the club since Houllier left England (in 2003).
- His (Carew's) relationship with Houllier at Lyon was not without problems.
- Aston Villa have been a successful club the last years, and Houllier insults him and the fans (by making public comments about Carew having to play for a new contract).
- The manager has told the players to talk about issues face to face and not through the media. Houllier is now breaking his own rules.
- He doesn't think Houllier's comments are appreciated by the players or the fans.
- Responding to the reporter's question about whether he feels he has anything to prove, Carew claims that he has been performing very well in the last years. There is a reason why the fans are singing my name all the time, he says.
- Carew thinks he has been an important player for Aston Villa in the last seasons and that Houllier is the one who needs to prove himself at Villa, adding that the new manager has "big shoes to fill".
- The relationship between the manager and the players depends on mutual respect. This makes Houllier's comments baffling. Houllier should not start demanding things from his players so soon after becoming manager. It disturbs the team and the players.
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Anything in there about Carew being ill for Burnley. At least we know how he managed to "tear his hamstring" now.
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I think Big John knew time was up as soon as GH walked in. Fact is Petrov and some others seem firmly behind him. His tactics might have been negative last week but I would have taken 0-0 before the game with our injuries etc. I think Carew has been some way from his best for a while, and did not exactly delight MON either. Maybe even go as early as Jan with a swap deal for someone. Pavylechenko even?
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Didn't Houllier swap Carew for Baros?
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Didn't Houllier swap Carew for Baros?
Someone on here said that Lyon had a director of football at the time and he dealt with all the transfers
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John Carew Carew
Injured by gerards shoe
Shortly after that interview
John Carew carew
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not sure I like the way Houllier has been criticising players in public. Obviously he has to get control of the squad and make his mark and there will be some comings and goings. Its far to early to make any judgements on him and I hope he's successful, but for me Houllier's only talked a good game so far.
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The thing is if asked, a manager is then given the choice of giving a mundane blah blah response, or giving his opinion. I am fairly confident any said about Ireland will be nothing different to that he has said to Ireland himself, and the comments on Carew are hardly controversial - just made more so by Carew not liking them and doing an interview in the Norwegian press. Houllier has one more in British football than MON has, so I think Carew needs to show a bit more respect to be honest.
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Interesting comments from John, especially the breaking his own rules part
Mark Hughes has had comments attributed to the Houllier - Ireland situation (where Houllier breaks his own rules again)
from the daily mail
''You have to know your players. Some can take criticism and others can't. Sometimes you can get it wrong and it can have a detrimental effect.'
Obv Hughes knows all about Ireland
isn't looking good for Gerard at the moment, january will be a huge month for him.
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Carew in a Norweigan newspaper this morning reacting GH comments they he must prove himself for a new contract. Also suggesting GH ill prepared for Villa job.
Beginning of the end for Big John.
This started sometime last season...just the end to come now.