Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: pauliewalnuts on October 28, 2010, 12:17:25 AM
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ALEX FERGUSON has stepped up his plan to get Manchester United stars to commit to Old Trafford by offering John O'Shea a £16.5million contract.
The United boss followed Wayne Rooney's deal by getting Patrice Evra to agree to a big contract as revealed exclusively in yesterday's
Now defender O'Shea is being tied down.
His £80,000-a-week four-year deal is modest compared with Rooney's £250,000 and it trails Evra's £100,000.
But O'Shea, 29, will have no complaints. This third contract deal also lets United fans know the club will do all it can to fight off any raids from Manchester City.
Old Trafford chief executive David Gill said: "We have a policy that wages should be 50 per cent or less of turnover.
"We believe we can do that and still retain and attract the stars we need. That's a sensible model. Clubs have other models. Each to their own."
Ferguson moved as O'Shea had just one year left of his contract.
As well as Rooney, Evra and O'Shea, Anderson will also be getting a new deal.
Football is going to hell in a handcart.
I don't mind the top players getting super money, it is more about the really average players (the likes of the Sidwells and Beyes of this world) getting their 40k a week that bothers me most.
John O'Shea 16.5 million pound contract?
Has the world gone entirely mad?
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Spot on. It got ridiculous a few years ago and is getting even worse.
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I didn't realise Manchester United had that sort of money.
It's obscene.
I was hoping the bubble had burst. Obviously it hasn't
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John O'Shea.
£80K per week.
I can't for the life of me see how those two statements could be in anyway connected.
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Laughable. United fans keep calling him John O'Shit and now he's on £80k. Football has went to the dogs.
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John O'who?
Isn't he that lazy excuse of a footballer who's been content being used as a squad player at United throughout his entire career?
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John O'who?
Isn't he that lazy excuse of a footballer who's been content being used as a squad player at United throughout his entire career?
And is now getting eighty grand a week to do it. I can think of a few words to describe him but 'lazy excuse' isn't two of them.
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He's goes to training for a few hours, 5 days a week, sits on the bench unless he's needed to come on or starts if the starting RB doesn't start and gets 80k for that? Moronic. More fool Ferguson if he genuinely values him that much. Foolish.
Surely he must be the most paid back-up RB in the world?
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So 183 league starts in 11 years gets you 80K a week? Insane.
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Ignoring the money, I don't blame him for staying there. He gets a medal every time they win a trophy, he's a regular international and he probably plays as many games as he would anywhere else.
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Does he have football ambition or just money ambiton with easy success that comes along with it?
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What could he do anywhere else? He plays around forty games a season, wins trophies, plays in the Champions League and he's a regular international.
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I understand Dave, I just find it incredibly sad and depressing that a (very average) back-up RB is getting paid that amount of money.
Off-topic-ish: Did anyone read in the Sunday Times that Roman Abramovich wants a salaray cap in the Premier League?
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Ignoring the money, I don't blame him for staying there. He gets a medal every time they win a trophy, he's a regular international and he probably plays as many games as he would anywhere else.
It's not him I blame, would any of us turn down 80K a week for how few days work he's done in the past 11 years? I'd be happy to play 183 games a season and earn 80K a year.
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O'Shea has been their first choice right back for the last couple of years. Missed a good bit of last season through injury and arguably they missed him when Da Silva stupidly got sent off against Munich. A decent defender but poor enough on the ball especially going forward. Looked a better player at centre half for Ireland next to Dunne and its his best position but he has done a decent job at full back under Trap too. Use to piss me off that he was happy to accept being a bit part player for United but he has been a regular for a while to be fair. Think MON copied the Cuellar right back idea from it Id be thinking. Ferguson uses Brown at right back too sure.
But yeah, how can we attempt to keep Ashley Young if Fergie or whoever decide to throw $100k a week at him. We cant afford that. O'Shea and Evra are past their best anyway. United cant afford it either which is why I would love to see them finish outside the top 4 this year and see it all end in tears. Unlikely but we live in hope.
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I just find it incredibly sad and depressing that a (very average) back-up RB is getting paid that amount of money.
He's good enough to be a regular first team choice player for one of the best teams in the world.
He's a long-term choice of the finest football managers of recent times.
His club takes in £278 million a year. He takes out an approximately one seventieth share of that. About 1.4% of their earnings.
Isn't that a fair share for the amount of money he helps to generate? I'm sad and depressed that I don't earn that kind of money, but that's because I don't do anything which generates anything like that kind of money.
Still, the tax he pays on £4 million a year will pay the salaries of about 100 nurses, which should make you feel happy and elated...
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I just find it incredibly sad and depressing that a (very average) back-up RB is getting paid that amount of money.
He's good enough to be a regular first team choice player for one of the best teams in the world.
He's a long-term choice of the finest football managers of recent times.
His club takes in £278 million a year. He takes out an approximately one seventieth share of that. About 1.4% of their earnings.
Isn't that a fair share for the amount of money he helps to generate? I'm sad and depressed that I don't earn that kind of money, but that's because I don't do anything which generates anything like that kind of money.
Still, the tax he pays on £4 million a year will pay the salaries of about 100 nurses, which should make you feel happy and elated...
Not so sure about the last bit - aren't footballers all tax dodging scoundrels to add to the list of reasons to not like them?
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I think the football world is going crazy when O'Shea and Anderson can get that kind of money while being shite we have it with sidwell and beye when his the madness going to stop.
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The amount of money being paid is only a result of the amount of cash in the game. If it did not go to the footballers, then it would go to the promotors, or the club chairmen. If the game is fuelled by petro-dollars then its only logical that the actors in this charade will get extremely rich off it.
Meanwhile in other news, Nobby Stiles sold all his world cup and league medals yesterday to help out his family. He got 250K for it, or one weeks wage for Rooney in football terms.
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I just find it incredibly sad and depressing that a (very average) back-up RB is getting paid that amount of money.
He's good enough to be a regular first team choice player for one of the best teams in the world.
He's a long-term choice of the finest football managers of recent times.
His club takes in £278 million a year. He takes out an approximately one seventieth share of that. About 1.4% of their earnings.
Isn't that a fair share for the amount of money he helps to generate? I'm sad and depressed that I don't earn that kind of money, but that's because I don't do anything which generates anything like that kind of money.
Still, the tax he pays on £4 million a year will pay the salaries of about 100 nurses, which should make you feel happy and elated...
Not so sure about the last bit - aren't footballers all tax dodging scoundrels to add to the list of reasons to not like them?
Its quite hard to dodge tax when everyone knows how much you earn and you cant claim to live in another country for 9 months of the year because you're one the telly every week.
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Meanwhile in other news, Nobby Stiles sold all his world cup and league medals yesterday to help out his family. He got 250K for it, or one weeks wage for Rooney in football terms.
If ever there was a way to illustrate the ridiculous state of money and greed in the modern game, this is it.
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I saw a piece about Nobby Stiles recently, I cant say I feel sorry for him, he didn't look like he was short of a few quid and if he chooses to sell his medals then that's his own business
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Nobby said that he sold his stuff because his family couldn't decide who would get what after he died so he's divvying up the cash instead.
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I saw a piece about Nobby Stiles recently, I cant say I feel sorry for him, he didn't look like he was short of a few quid and if he chooses to sell his medals then that's his own business
I think it was Man Utd that bought the medal ??
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Some of these players should be done for fraud.. I mean, Steve Sidwell a professional footballer...
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Three words
Shaun
Wright
Philips
That is all.
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Wow, hell must have frozen over! That's insanity! That might well be the craziest thing I've ever heard.
Fuck me.
I hate football sometimes, and this is one of those times! >:(
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Can't help comparing the obscene wages with Nobby Stiles having to auction off his World Cup and European Cup medals along with other personal mementoes from his career to help secure his family's future.
He got about £400k and United bought most of that for their museum.
All those memories of a fantastic career for two weeks of Rooney's wages (or Yaya Toure - my God!).
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I saw a piece about Nobby Stiles recently, I cant say I feel sorry for him, he didn't look like he was short of a few quid and if he chooses to sell his medals then that's his own business
I think it was Man Utd that bought the medal ??
It was, I still don't feel sorry for him, he wanted the extra money and he's got it.
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Re: John O'Shea - £80k a week. That's the economics that United will now have to deal with after agreeing Rooney's new deal. All the other players will use that as a marker. Leaving the money aside, it makes sense for them to keep him. He can play in the middle or at full back, and with Ferdinand as injury prone as Owen and Neville due for retirement, it gives Fergie experienced cover.
Re: Nobby Stiles - fair play to Man Utd for putting their hand in the corporate pocket to help out a player who won the highest honours, but who they short-changed during his playing days. I seem to remember reading that when England won the World Cup he was the player earning the least from their club, something like £40 a week.
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Topdeck, my thoughts exactly. ManU always stuck to pretty tough wage structures (relatively in their position), and blew it open with Pooney. After his comments as well, I thought they had made a serious mistake when having the discussions with future wage negotiations. Expect Evra to get a big slice too as he is up next. Oshit is made to look good by the people around him. Thats a stupid wage, and makes me question SAF better judgement again. And do we expect Rooney to stay? I read that Viera, Ronaldo and Henry all signed big contracts just before being sold, its a good way to get the price high. Maybe thats the thinking with OShit, trying to trick someone into buying the weaker half of Max and Paddy
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Re: John O'Shea - £80k a week. That's the economics that United will now have to deal with after agreeing Rooney's new deal. All the other players will use that as a marker. Leaving the money aside, it makes sense for them to keep him. He can play in the middle or at full back, and with Ferdinand as injury prone as Owen and Neville due for retirement, it gives Fergie experienced cover.
In many ways it was the perfect storm for O'Shea - Neville and Ferdinand almost ready to be turned into glue. Rafael too young to be completely trusted at right-back. And Rooney's new contract setting a new benchmark in the background.
Despite this, it's an absolutely obscene number. Man U have set a dangerous precedent with this, and I hope it does not become the norm across the Premiership.
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The Rooney pay level will be what all the Man U players will look at when they renew their contracts. Add on the fact that they have promised to bring in some world class players, who will also be looking to be paid a similar amount. How on earth are they going to afford all of them? I think Fergie will have the money for one biggy to come in, so if that is all and there are some injuries/loss of form etc. resulting in no trophies being won, we shall have to wait and see when Wayne starts getting restless.
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Here's a theory:
I get the feeling that "sir alex" has decided that he is not going to be around too much longer and therefore is happy to agree to these outrageous wage demands as he will not be the manager when the fall-out occurs. It'll make his job easier in the interim and will also make the job harder for the next guy (= his reputation enhanced).
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... it's an absolutely obscene number. Man U have set a dangerous precedent with this, and I hope it does not become the norm across the Premiership.
Man Utd makes three times the amount of money that a club like Villa (for example) makes. So they pay higher salaries. This doesn't set a norm for the Premiership, any more than Yaya Toure's stupid salary does. O'Shea's salary is in line with the size of his club.
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It's been obscene for a while but it's depressing that this hideous recession hasn't dampened it. Fucking ridiculous amount of money for a utility player who would struggle to get into any top half premier league team as a regular.
The Rooney deal is only going to push wages up. Can anybody say that 10 years ago they'd expect a footballer to be getting paid a quarter of a million pounds every week. Is Wayne Rooney worth over £100k a week more than he was last month? Fucking sick.
I went to the game last night for many reasons. One being I can't get to many weekend games due to work but also because I felt £10 for a ticket was a fair price (well done Villa on this). If tickets continue to rise in order for clubs to pay for the likes of John O Shea to play in a league that is getting more and more predictable I think I may become less and inclined to be all that bothered outside of blind faith and loyalty to the club I was brought up to support by my dad.
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I'll add that football has a real opportunity in times like these to get closer to the community and garner a growing supporter base - I hope that (along with selling some more tickets) was in the clubs thinking last night.
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... it's an absolutely obscene number. Man U have set a dangerous precedent with this, and I hope it does not become the norm across the Premiership.
Man Utd makes three times the amount of money that a club like Villa (for example) makes. So they pay higher salaries. This doesn't set a norm for the Premiership, any more than Yaya Toure's stupid salary does. O'Shea's salary is in line with the size of his club.
I disagree. O'Shea's salary should be in line with his talent, not the size/turnover of Man United.
Based on supply and demand I think there are many right backs that could do a job as good (or better) than O'Shea who would accept less money. Therefore there is - in my opinion - a risk that other players will use O'Shea as justification for insane wage demands.
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I rate him but not £80k a week rate him
Footballs gone mental
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I just find it incredibly sad and depressing that a (very average) back-up RB is getting paid that amount of money.
He's good enough to be a regular first team choice player for one of the best teams in the world.
He's a long-term choice of the finest football managers of recent times.
His club takes in £278 million a year. He takes out an approximately one seventieth share of that. About 1.4% of their earnings.
Isn't that a fair share for the amount of money he helps to generate? I'm sad and depressed that I don't earn that kind of money, but that's because I don't do anything which generates anything like that kind of money.
Still, the tax he pays on £4 million a year will pay the salaries of about 100 nurses, which should make you feel happy and elated...
Not so sure about the last bit - aren't footballers all tax dodging scoundrels to add to the list of reasons to not like them?
Its quite hard to dodge tax when everyone knows how much you earn and you cant claim to live in another country for 9 months of the year because you're one the telly every week.
Premier League stars using loophole to save millions in tax (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/premier-league-stars-using-loophole-to-save-millions-in-tax-2118289.html)
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I don't mind the very very best players in the world getting top money really but it's the distinctly average getting scandalous money like this that sum up all that is wrong with the game & what will cause it to implode.
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... it's an absolutely obscene number. Man U have set a dangerous precedent with this, and I hope it does not become the norm across the Premiership.
Man Utd makes three times the amount of money that a club like Villa (for example) makes. So they pay higher salaries. This doesn't set a norm for the Premiership, any more than Yaya Toure's stupid salary does. O'Shea's salary is in line with the size of his club.
I disagree. O'Shea's salary should be in line with his talent, not the size/turnover of Man United.
Based on supply and demand I think there are many right backs that could do a job as good (or better) than O'Shea who would accept less money. Therefore there is - in my opinion - a risk that other players will use O'Shea as justification for insane wage demands.
Clearly Sir Alex Ferguson thinks he is sufficiently talented and valuable. I'll go with his viewpoint over yours in this case...
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Premier League stars using loophole to save millions in tax (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/premier-league-stars-using-loophole-to-save-millions-in-tax-2118289.html)
As the Independent article says, a "Completely legal" method of putting their money into a pension trust. Income Tax will be paid when they withdraw the money from the trust, so they end up paying the tax anyway, just in a different year.
So the Indie story is Footballers in 'saving their money in pensions' shock
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The fact that someone of such limited ability earning £80K a week is being debated on here suggests fans are unable to get their heads round the enormaty of the amount. The sooner premier league football implodes the better for me. Oh and Carragher is on about the same whack as well I suspect.
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Who was it said when you earn that much paying tax is optional?