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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: pmk1981 on October 24, 2010, 01:48:28 AM
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On a Footie front I for one am glad he is injured
On a normal front I hope he is not in too much pain
But thank the lord he us injured cause when he went off we looked better
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On a Footie front I for one am glad he is injured
On a normal front I hope he is not in too much pain
But thank the lord he us injured cause when he went off we looked better
I didn't think it made much difference at all until Ireland went off - at which point everything seemed to click quite nicely.
I'd still be worried about playing Reo-Coker and Sidwell as a midfield pair against anyone more capable than Burnley.
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We really do need Fabian Delph back pronto imo. Even though hes young and inexperienced, his general energy, composure on the ball and all round talent makes him a MUCH better bet than both Petrov and Sidwell for me.
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We really do need Fabian Delph back pronto imo. Even though hes young and inexperienced, his general energy, composure on the ball and all round talent makes him a MUCH better bet than both Petrov and Sidwell for me.
Long term, undoubtedly.
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He should be out for 3 to 4 weeks so GH can get a look at somebody else along side NRC. I myself cant wait untill Delph is back he is just what we need at the moment so the sooner he his back the better.
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We really do need Fabian Delph back pronto imo. Even though hes young and inexperienced, his general energy, composure on the ball and all round talent makes him a MUCH better bet than both Petrov and Sidwell for me.
Long term, undoubtedly.
On that note, from The Mirror:
Fabian Delph has been advised to slow down his training work - because Aston Villa’s medical staff feared he was recovering too quickly from major knee surgery.
The 18-year-old midfield starlet, who damaged cruciate ligaments in his left knee in a training accident in April, had got back into training a month ahead of schedule and was even doing some ball work.
But he has been warned not to put too much stress too quickly on the joint and to focus on his original target date for a return in January.
Delph, a £6million signing from Leeds 15 months ago, said: “Everything has been going really well and the physios, doctor and surgeon have been brilliant with me.
“I’m just looking forward to getting back on the pitch and playing again early in the New Year.”
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On a Footie front I for one am glad he is injured
On a normal front I hope he is not in too much pain
But thank the lord he us injured cause when he went off we looked better
What a clever man!
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On a Footie front I for one am glad he is injured
Jesus wept.
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On a Footie front I for one am glad he is injured
On a normal front I hope he is not in too much pain
But thank the lord he us injured cause when he went off we looked better
Being glad that a Villa player is injured is disgusting, You should be very ashamed.
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i have to say the game changed when Ireland went off and Ash was in the middle, Ash has such better movement.
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On a Footie front I for one am glad he is injured
On a normal front I hope he is not in too much pain
But thank the lord he us injured cause when he went off we looked better
Had to go to the in-laws dahn sarf for the weekend. Not even seen MOTD. Just got back and signed in to get the post-mortem of the game and the first thing I read is this bollocks? Words fail me. :o >:(
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petrov is tosser of the week closely followed by ireland and then dunne and then heskey by what i have been reading!
Was petrov not mom last week against chelsea? I thought he had a great game, but sadly, this week he is a tosser!
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Out for 4 months and needs an operation. :(
Guess a lot of people are finally happy...
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More than a few of us have been advocating an upgrade to him for a while but we're not in a position at the moment to be able to cope without him. So this isnt great news at all.
Hopefully we can get through to January and get Delph back a bit earlier perhaps.
Sidwell has to step up now. We'll see what he's made of one way or the other.
Or we're fairly close to having to deploy Collins or Clark in midfield. Unless Osbourne pulls his socks up.
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what a mess..... thanks MON... yes we need a upgrade on Petrov , but for him to get injured is another major blow.. January cant come quick enough...
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Pity for the man. Yes he may be entering the later years of his career, and may be struggling with his role and the pace of the game, but noone wants to see a player injured.
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I don't think he meant he's glad Petrov has an injury, more that he's glad we can put someone else in there now. Just a poor choice of words.
Although it's pretty obvious that's what he meant. Some people just can't wait to jump on others.
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On a Footie front I for one am glad he is injured
On a normal front I hope he is not in too much pain
But thank the lord he us injured cause when he went off we looked better
Being glad that a Villa player is injured is disgusting, You should be very ashamed.
I totally agree Clampy, this board is turning into a slating section. We should have a thread entitled Scapegoat of the month, We can slag all the players in one place then.
It could contain threads on Carew, Ireland, Agbonlahor, Petrov, Downing and I think Heskey is one more miss short of making a re-appearance
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Would not wish an injury on any player even if it forces a much needed team change - and this one didn't anyway!
Will be missed badly and I don't even rate him but its whats left in place that will cost us.
"On a Footie front" its not good.
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Houllier just said on sky sports petrov will probably be out at least 2 months -and may need operation!
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On a Footie front I for one am glad he is injured
On a normal front I hope he is not in too much pain
But thank the lord he us injured cause when he went off we looked better
Being glad that a Villa player is injured is disgusting, You should be very ashamed.
I totally agree Clampy, this board is turning into a slating section. We should have a thread entitled Scapegoat of the month, We can slag all the players in one place then.
It could contain threads on Carew, Ireland, Agbonlahor, Petrov, Downing and I think Heskey is one more miss short of making a re-appearance
The more players you suggest are being "scapegoated", the less likely that is what is actually happening.
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I don't think he meant he's glad Petrov has an injury, more that he's glad we can put someone else in there now. Just a poor choice of words.
Although it's pretty obvious that's what he meant. Some people just can't wait to jump on others.
I'm sure you're right, but typing 'i'm glad he's injured' and 'thank the lord he's injured' was'nt very wise. Maybe people should think before they post in future.
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I agree, but think people are reading too much into his comment and using at as excuse to have a pop at someone.
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Didn't Warnock do a job at Blackburn as a central DM? How succesful, I do not know.
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Interesting to see if Ireland now plays deeper with NRC and Ash in the hole. Could work very well if it clicked together, and GH said Ireland looked lost at the weekend. Lets see. Maybe even Bannan could come in.
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Interesting to see if Ireland now plays deeper with NRC and Ash in the hole. Could work very well if it clicked together
I agree and it's something I've been wanting us to try.
However, in what is likely to be a fierce battle against the great unwashed, I'm not sure Sundat is the game to try it in!
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Houllier just said on sky sports petrov will probably be out at least 2 months -and may need operation!
Aston Villa captain Stiliyan Petrov faces two months on the sidelines with a knee injury.
The Bulgarian midfielder sustained the problem in the first half of Saturday's defeat at Sunderland and had to come off five minutes before half-time.
And boss Gerard Houllier has confirmed the injury is serious enough to keep the 31-year-old out for upto eight weeks, with a scan planned later this week to determine whether he needs surgery.
"We have lost Stiliyan Petrov for maybe two months," Houllier told Sky Sports News.
"We will know whether he needs an operation by the middle of the week.
"It's a shame because he was getting back to a good level."
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On a Footie front I for one am glad he is injured
On a normal front I hope he is not in too much pain
But thank the lord he us injured cause when he went off we looked better
Being glad that a Villa player is injured is disgusting, You should be very ashamed.
I totally agree Clampy, this board is turning into a slating section. We should have a thread entitled Scapegoat of the month, We can slag all the players in one place then.
It could contain threads on Carew, Ireland, Agbonlahor, Petrov, Downing and I think Heskey is one more miss short of making a re-appearance
The more players you suggest are being "scapegoated", the less likely that is what is actually happening.
But those players mentioned have all had threads on them of late saying that they are not trying or are shit etc etc?
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This is really bad news. I am a big fan of Petrov and what he brings to the team. I'll admit that his lastability in matches is questionable but no-one else in the squad seems to have his ability to make villa's game tick-over, keeping possession whilst protecting the back four.
For me, I think it might necessitate us going for a three man midfield of NRC, Ireland and Sidwell/Bannan/Downing, with Albrighton and Young opperating either side of gabby. It should make us equally solid in the centre but marginally less capable in the attacking third.
Bad news.
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On a Footie front I for one am glad he is injured
Jesus wept.
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I would like to see either Ireland or bannan alongside nige-sidwell has had more than enough chances and is not good enough.
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I not glad he's injured but...
Petrov was bought as an attacking midfielder,but didn't score....
So MON moved him deeper to use his good football brain and decent range of passing(fair enough)
But IMHO he cannot head or tackle or physically dominate an opponent to the level that a team (with Ash,Downing and Albrighton/Ireland) needs(for every goal and assist he has made he has been booked)
So we will be forced to shape the midfield without him
I believe in the long run we will better for it
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He's someone I like to have in the squad but that is it. Unfortunately I can see this being the start of the end of Petrovs career here. Firstly Houllier has already installed a new demanding fitness regime. Petrov is already unfit and behind what is demanded of him. Add on another 2 months and a knee injury and it isn't looking to good for him.
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I would much prefer him not to have been injured and wish him a speedy recovery. God knows we need all the options at the moment.
However, I think most people agree Petrov isn't a long term midfield option so at least we now have an opportunity to see what the alternatives might be. In January, when Petrov and hopefully Delph are both fully fit again there could be some interesting selection dilemmas. Although, given how long he has been out and his inexperience at this level, I reckon we shouldn't count on much from Delph this season. Some appearances from the bench probably.
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I would much prefer him not to have been injured and wish him a speedy recovery. God knows we need all the options at the moment.
However, I think most people agree Petrov isn't a long term midfield option so at least we now have an opportunity to see what the alternatives might be. In January, when Petrov and hopefully Delph are both fully fit again there could be some interesting selection dilemmas. Although, given how long he has been out and his inexperience at this level, I reckon we shouldn't count on much from Delph this season. Some appearances from the bench probably.
I agree. I think Houllier will go for a midfielder and a striker in January. Someone mentioned he was on 5 Live earlier saying he had 2 targets in mind for January, but most of his dealings would be in the summer. That is understandable. At least it is exciting to know that the manager knows where we have to improve across the field.
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Delph can't come back quick enough(or not as per the physio)
I bet he wishes they would give the go ahead to start stepping up the training not ease it off
NRC really has to grab this silver lining and really stamp himself into GH's 1stXI
He isn't the greatest midfielder to grace VP but we need his 'interference play' *as a yank might say*
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Delph is a young lad for the future though, you can't rush him coming back from such a serious injury. Some players are never the same after being out for so long, so you definitely can't rush his return.
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Perhaps people will begin to appreciate Petrov a bit while he's out of action. In my view he's very under rated however it will be interesting to see Sidwell get a run of games, as he just hasn't had a decent run of games to prove himself for a couple of years. He is however, a scapegoat in waiting and he'll be the first person to blame if anything goes wrong. When we went on our really good run a couple of years ago (away wins at Arse, Everton etc) Sidwell was ever present and on the whole played well. This might just be his opportunity to shine, as he can be a quality player.
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How many chances does Sidwell need?
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Hope Stan gets better soon. He's a decent player. He can't help that his legs aren't up to it anymore. At least not for the role he's been player the last 2 years. He can still off something to the club though, undoubtedly, so I wish him a speedy recovery.
Personally, I would play a 3 man midfield with Sidwell and Coker holding, then either Bannan, Ireland or Downing slightly advanced.
Much as Sidwell isn't that good, whenever I see him and Coker play together, it seems to somehow gel together. I think they compliment each other reasonably well as a two. I also think it's probably our only option.
We could perhaps try playing Nigel as a single anchorman, and then Ireland and Bannan ahead of him, but he'd get a bit swamped. Maybe at home it could work.
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I know there is a 'Kick Racism out of Football', but what about 'Kick Lee Cattermole out of football'? He's a disgrace to the game and he never seems to learn, just keeps making dirty tackles over and over. The FA should just ban him for the next 5 games - that'll teach the twat for injuring players all the time.
As for Petrov, he's improved since Houllier took over as manager. Hopefully he can get back to his 08/09 form... it's a shame we won't have him available for the next few weeks - real bummer.
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he is a bit of a 'naughty boy'
he has a bit of 'form' as i remember
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Perhaps people will begin to appreciate Petrov a bit while he's out of action. In my view he's very under rated however it will be interesting to see Sidwell get a run of games, as he just hasn't had a decent run of games to prove himself for a couple of years. He is however, a scapegoat in waiting and he'll be the first person to blame if anything goes wrong. When we went on our really good run a couple of years ago (away wins at Arse, Everton etc) Sidwell was ever present and on the whole played well. This might just be his opportunity to shine, as he can be a quality player.
My thoughts exactly, Petrov will be missed and we will not keep the ball as well without him.
Sidwell does have a prescence about him on the pitch, and he should get a good run of games now, we're in trouble if him or NRC get injured though, Salifou might have to give up his saturday job in Debenhams.
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I would be happy to give Sidwell a run in the team - for Ged to give him the confidence by saying for the next 2 months you will play - lets see what he can do.
If by then he's still not considered good enough - time to sell and utilise any funds towards the new managers ideas.
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Sidwell is far more suited to holding and making a nuisance than the role of Box to Box midfielder that MON played him.
We are pretty short of choices, i think we can make 2 holding midfielders and 4 attackers in front work, we aint going to be any where near the top 4 this season whatever
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Time for someone to take their place in the team and show they're good enough to keep it.
I'm not Petrov's greatest fan, his defending, tackling and pace are not very good at all. His one (and only plus) is his ability to keep the ball, even if 90% of the time it goes backwards or sidewards. I don't think he'll be missed and it gives a big opportunity to another player.
It's a real shame Delph is out.
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I would like to see either Ireland or bannan alongside nige-sidwell has had more than enough chances and is not good enough.
Ireland maybe, but not Bannan. He seemed to enjoy himself more out wide in the Blackburn Cup game. As for Sidwell, this is his big chance to show what what a good player he can be. If he blows it, he's only got himself to blame.
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How many chances does Sidwell need?
Petrov had a bloody-nuff when he arrived.
Sidwell might just surprise us all.
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Always said Mon was a lucky manager. Gabby, now Petrov, not that I'm a great Petrov fan, but Mon relied on him to the exclusion of anyone else and his departure hasn't altered things.
Replacing Gabby hasn't worked well, this will be a good test on Houllier to sort as its so long a term and the options remain few.
I find playing Beye, Young, Heskey, Albrighton let alone Croker and getting decent enough performances somewhat of an achievement, sorting this will be special.
It might just prove a turning point.
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Hope Stan recovers soon.
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Same here. Hope he makesa full recovery. You never know, the rest might just do him the world of good. Which ever way you look at it, we're going to miss him.
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I don't think Stan's looked at all right this season but still a big blow this.
In fairness Sidwell and NRC played in the 5-1 over Bolton last season so we won't automatically lose every game with them as the pairing. Still another injury and Warnock will be needed in there.
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Can anyone from the reserves 'step-up'? If the going get's really tough.
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Hogg played against Vienna but seemed to go to the same invisible midfield school as Sidwell.
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Increases the need for a central midfielder in January. And hopefully our worse run of injuries this year will see us not fade out at the end of the season as pllayers come back. An energetic Delph, Petrov and Gabby after xmas would be real bonuses. A bit like Everton last season.
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How many chances does Sidwell need?
Petrov had a bloody-nuff when he arrived.
Sidwell might just surprise us all.
I feel sorry for the people that think he will suddenly turn into this fantastic player - well worth the dosh we paid Chelsea for him. It looks as if Sidwell going to Chelsea has ruined his career. He constantly looks lost and confused and very often doesn't know how to pass a ball properly. They aren't exactly the attributes of a decent midfielder.
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Sidwell is far more suited to holding and making a nuisance than the role of Box to Box midfielder that MON played him.
We are pretty short of choices, i think we can make 2 holding midfielders and 4 attackers in front work, we aint going to be any where near the top 4 this season whatever
Agree Sidwell was patently not suited to thee box to box role under MON. He was also unsuited to play on the right side of the three in midfield when we used play 433/451 but I thought he looked decent in the second half at the weekend. This is a huge chance for him now. 2 months in the side until probably Delph and Petrov come back. He was a very decent player at Reading but that was quite a while ago now. But he showed signs of his old form at the weekend - no stupid fouls, running with the ball, won a lot of tackles and got stuck in and once he settled passed it pretty well. Would be great if he went through a Reo Coker like transformation. With Sidwell and Reo Coker in the side, our full backs can afford to push on more and it gives more freedom to our ball players up front.
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Sad news for Petrov.
I would like to try this
midfield 5
Albrighton Reo Coker Downing Bannan
Young (in hole)
or
Albrighton Reo Coker Ireland Downing
Young (In hole)
or
Downing Reo Coker Ireland Bannan
Young
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Downing in the middle? He's too much of a lightweight for that.
For me it should be -
--------------Reo-Coker---Sidwell---------------------
---Young-------------Ireland-------------Downing---
---------------------Agbonlahor-------------------------
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If we are going to continue playing 1 up front and 5 in Midfield then I'd go with this.
Albrighton/ Reo-Coker / Ireland / A Young / Downing
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If we are going to continue playing 1 up front and 5 in Midfield then I'd go with this.
Albrighton/ Reo-Coker / Ireland / A Young / Downing
Me too.
It remains to be seen if that would have enough defensive strength, but I think it's worth trying!
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If we are going to continue playing 1 up front and 5 in Midfield then I'd go with this.
Albrighton/ Reo-Coker / Ireland / A Young / Downing
Me too.
It remains to be seen if that would have enough defensive strength, but I think it's worth trying!
We don't have many choices though, do we? unless we bring Osbourne and/or Salifou in. I shudder just thinking about that.
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I think it will be Sidwell coming in and one of Ireland or Albrighton on the bench.
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Albrighton deserves to start, it's a toss up between Ireland and Sidwell, with the ginger one just shading it for me.
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Ireland, Reo-Coker, Albrighton, Young & Downing would leave us too exposed. Maybe Sidwell is slightly better defensively that Ireland. Therefore I can see Sidwell starting. I wonder if GH is planning on bringing another midfielder in during Jan or he could give Delph a run.
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Sidwell did all right on Saturday. I'd put him in there, as we'll be up against clumpers like Ferguson and Bowyer, rather than quality ball players. Him and Coker (particularly with the form of the later) should be able to cope physically and give us a platform in attack.
If Gabby is genuinely out, then I’d go with Heskey up top with Young in behind him. I think young Albrighton will be perfect for the first hour, flying into the shite and giving that mug Ridgewell a nightmare.
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I agree, Ads. Neither Albrighton and Ireland seem fit enough for the whole 90 mins, so I doubt they will both start. Sidwell and NRC surely.
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Gabby wasn't involved yesterday at the training session at VP, however, he could have been at Bodymoor Heath getting fit. Hope he makes it, he gives us other options in attack that no-one else can. If Gabby isn't 100% then Heskey with A. Young behind seems to make sense. It worked well at Wolves.
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After last night we are really going to miss Petrov, not because he is soo good but because Sidwell is soo shit!
I'm worried for is until January.
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Last night seemed to convey where I think the Petrov haters are wrong.
Without him we had Steve 'Empty Shirt' Sidwell and Reo Coker who is an excellent player at what he does but a mediocre player in other important areas such as passing. With Stan and NRC we have a player who compensates for another's lack of passing and technical ability alongside a player who compensates for the other's lack of energy.
I think with the improvement we have seen in Stan under Ghou's harder training regime and our lack of other decent options in the position that Stan's injury is a big loss.
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Think this is a bit of a shame, Petrov has done well for us and is a solid, international captain, what he lacks in some areas he definitely makes up for with his experience and influence.
Am pleased that others will get the chance but he has been a good servant for us and surely has earned respect?
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Last night seemed to convey where I think the Petrov haters are wrong.
Without him we had Steve 'Empty Shirt' Sidwell and Reo Coker who is an excellent player at what he does but a mediocre player in other important areas such as passing. With Stan and NRC we have a player who compensates for another's lack of passing and technical ability alongside a player who compensates for the other's lack of energy.
I think with the improvement we have seen in Stan under Ghou's harder training regime and our lack of other decent options in the position that Stan's injury is a big loss.
Yup.
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Stan does NOT need surgery, but will be out for about 3 months.