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Title: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 21, 2010, 11:58:48 AM
Time for Habib Beye to take his chance.

GH, please do not play Cuellar at Right Back.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Pete3206 on October 21, 2010, 12:00:18 PM
Oh crap.

Beye's done OK, but he's not Luke quality.

Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: not3bad on October 21, 2010, 12:01:15 PM
If Beye carries on as he did against Chelsea we should be OK.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 21, 2010, 12:02:27 PM
Can't really see a left wing threat from Burnley, Sunderland and SHA.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: glasses on October 21, 2010, 12:23:13 PM
I may be alone, but for SHA, I would play Cuellar if LY isn't fit. A bit more strength in the defence in a game which is usually a bit more pysical.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: stevenjos on October 21, 2010, 12:35:00 PM
Id rather have salifou at right back than Beye.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 21, 2010, 12:35:56 PM
I'm hoping he'll do well and shows the importance of cover in all positions.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Brigada1874 on October 21, 2010, 12:36:12 PM
I may be alone, but for SHA, I would play Cuellar if LY isn't fit. A bit more strength in the defence in a game which is usually a bit more pysical.

Beye is hardly shrinking violet, he's more than capable of handling himself against the scum and give far more attacking wise than CC.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: rutski on October 21, 2010, 12:40:46 PM
I may be alone, but for SHA, I would play Cuellar if LY isn't fit. A bit more strength in the defence in a game which is usually a bit more pysical.
martin was vilified for cc playing right back, but its ok now is it? i am an advocate of horses for courses but we all wanted full backs playing where full backs play, didnt we?
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: eastie on October 21, 2010, 12:41:40 PM
Beye and lichaj are both capable right backs- I see no reason to consider cuellar for the right back position.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: not3bad on October 21, 2010, 12:49:39 PM
Id rather have salifou at right back than Beye.

What did he do against Chelsea that offended you?  Or is it that you form an opinion of a player and don't give them any further chances?
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Dave on October 21, 2010, 12:53:46 PM
I'd have no issue with Cuellar, Beye or Lichaj at right-back for those games.

All have done well enough there in the past. Beye would be my preferred option though.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: glasses on October 21, 2010, 01:02:56 PM
I may be alone, but for SHA, I would play Cuellar if LY isn't fit. A bit more strength in the defence in a game which is usually a bit more pysical.
martin was vilified for cc playing right back, but its ok now is it? i am an advocate of horses for courses but we all wanted full backs playing where full backs play, didnt we?
Its not as simple as that in my opinion. I liked how solid the defence looked with Carlos at RB, but of course he doesn't get forward as well as LY. In a game where the full backs are going to come under intense pressure, be it aerial, or on the ground, I think Cuellar is stronger. Its about using the squad to get the best results possible.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: sfx412 on October 21, 2010, 01:04:41 PM
Houllier must be doing something right, when the best anyone can do on here is pick a fight over whether Beye should play right back instead of Cuellar.
I'm more concerned as to who will fill the mid field places and whether we have an effective, read, any striker able to score goals.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Bosco81 on October 21, 2010, 01:06:01 PM
I would play Cuellar ar right back, but then I would play Cuellar ahead of Dunne or Clark at the moment, Beye doesn't give us much going forward so I'd play the better defender.

Warnock can't be far from a suspension, in an area where we've got no cover.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Bosco81 on October 21, 2010, 01:08:01 PM
Houllier must be doing something right, when the best anyone can do on here is pick a fight over whether Beye should play right back instead of Cuellar.
I'm more concerned as to who will fill the mid field places and whether we have an effective, read, any striker able to score goals.

The midfield and strikers pick themselves at the moment, due to the lack of depth in the squad, defence is the one area where we've got a far bit of cover.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: themossman on October 21, 2010, 01:09:39 PM
I don't mind beye, he's decent enough on the whole. Although you do get the impression that at least once a game he's going to end up on his arse in the box with a winger bearing down on goal.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Mazrim on October 21, 2010, 01:12:26 PM
Id rather have salifou at right back than Beye.

Yes, I can believe that.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: sfx412 on October 21, 2010, 01:15:28 PM
Houllier must be doing something right, when the best anyone can do on here is pick a fight over whether Beye should play right back instead of Cuellar.
I'm more concerned as to who will fill the mid field places and whether we have an effective, read, any striker able to score goals.

The midfield and strikers pick themselves at the moment, due to the lack of depth in the squad, defence is the one area where we've got a far bit of cover.

Do they?

We'll see.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on October 21, 2010, 01:24:54 PM
There's not much between Beye and Lichaj in my opinion, other than Lichaj has a pretty long throw and he's young. I'd go with Lichaj - give him his chance in the league after his fairly encouraging performances in friendlies and cup games.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: stevenjos on October 21, 2010, 01:33:33 PM
Id rather have salifou at right back than Beye.

What did he do against Chelsea that offended you?  Or is it that you form an opinion of a player and don't give them any further chances?

did you think he played well? i didnt.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Ian. on October 21, 2010, 01:36:08 PM
Carlos for me. No shadow of doubt on this one.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Olneythelonely on October 21, 2010, 01:40:12 PM
Id rather have salifou at right back than Beye.

What did he do against Chelsea that offended you?  Or is it that you form an opinion of a player and don't give them any further chances?

did you think he played well? i didnt.

What did Malouda do all game?

Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Merv on October 21, 2010, 01:48:41 PM
I'd use the opportunity to give Lichaj an extended run, see what he's made of. But I wouldn't be surprised to see GH go with Lichaj for the Burnley game, then Beye for the two in the league. I think Beye was fine against Chelsea.

At least we've got options to cover RB. It's a totally different story at LB. That still worries me.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Concrete John on October 21, 2010, 01:49:03 PM
I was surprised when Beye played against CHelsea as I thought Lichaj had done well and Habib hasn't featured under Gezza.  I think the kids got promise so would want him to get a game or two while Young is out, but then Beye's got the shirt right now and did nothing to warrant losing it against Chelsea.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: pedro25 on October 21, 2010, 01:51:20 PM
Beye was a bit shaky for me against Chelsea but I've not really seen enough of Lichaj to judge, so maybe still Beye on Sat then Lichaj on Wednesday and see who is best for Blues.  Carlos is a centre half, may as well put Ash in goal as Carlos at right back.  This is the top of the professional game and full back, centre half etc are specialist positions these days.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Pete3206 on October 21, 2010, 01:51:32 PM
Id rather have salifou at right back than Beye.

That's crazy.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on October 21, 2010, 01:52:51 PM
if we need a left back we can use one of right back in left back or move Downing to left back I think he can play there. Providing it is not a tough and powerful winger he is facing.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Concrete John on October 21, 2010, 01:58:20 PM
if we need a left back we can use one of right back in left back or move Downing to left back I think he can play there. Providing it is not a tough and powerful winger he is facing.

I wouldn't want Downing anywhere near LB myself.  And the switching of a RB would only work if it was Young.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Merv on October 21, 2010, 02:01:11 PM
Yes and yes. If Young's out, our LB option if Warnock's unavailable would probably be to use Lowry there. Or Clark, who is at left footed, comfortable on the ball and mobile.

Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Concrete John on October 21, 2010, 02:09:50 PM
Clark at LB might work. 

It would cause another 'Cuellar at RB' style row on here, though!
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 21, 2010, 02:17:27 PM
Surely we would just play our reserve right back at right back as we did on Saturday.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: darren woolley on October 21, 2010, 02:22:27 PM
Beye did ok against chelsea so if it aint broke dont fix it.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 21, 2010, 02:54:35 PM
Beye deserves to play against Sunderland. After that, let's see. He's hardly played any football over the last 12 months so he's hardly going to be 100% but deserves the chance.

Carlos will never let us down if needed but I do have reservations with Lichaj. From what I've seen of him, I just don't see him making it at this level.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: TaxDodger on October 21, 2010, 02:56:27 PM
if we need a left back we can use one of right back in left back or move Downing to left back I think he can play there. Providing it is not a tough and powerful winger he is facing.

Downing left back? Are you sure? I'd be very worried about him playing there.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: eastie on October 21, 2010, 03:11:33 PM
Beye could play left back in an emergency but we do need specialist cover in that area , certainly I'm happy to see beye keep the right back role until young is fit.

Cuellar will get his chances at centre half and I'm sure he will play a big part in our season-houllier is very a manager who loves to rotate and keep players fresh- he is assessing what he has here before deciding what he needs to add to his squad.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on October 21, 2010, 03:25:26 PM
I think he play there at his former club. Can't be 100% sure though.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: pottervillan on October 21, 2010, 05:23:15 PM
 Lichaj played at left back in the last reserve game against Wolves didn`t he?
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Dave on October 21, 2010, 05:50:49 PM
Id rather have salifou at right back than Beye.

What did he do against Chelsea that offended you?  Or is it that you form an opinion of a player and don't give them any further chances?

did you think he played well? i didnt.
Yes, look at all the clear chances and shots on target that the best attack in the country managed to come up with.

Beye did fine and will do fine on Saturday as well.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Exeter 77 on October 21, 2010, 05:53:27 PM
Beye could play left back in an emergency but we do need specialist cover in that area

It would rather have Lowry there - Beye proved against Rapid Vienna he is far from comfortable on the left. But Beye is more than adequate cover at right back.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on October 21, 2010, 06:11:02 PM
Beye did well against Chelsea so he deserves to play against Sunderland simple as that!
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 21, 2010, 06:21:22 PM
Must be Beye, aquitted himself well against Chelsea.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: AV82EC on October 21, 2010, 06:23:13 PM
Got to be Habib Beye, with Lichaj on the bench.  Simples.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Mister E on October 21, 2010, 08:09:04 PM
Id rather have salifou at right back than Beye.
What a ridiculous comment - I assume it was ironic.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: curiousorange on October 21, 2010, 09:48:38 PM
I have to admit that when they announced the team on Saturday I despaired at the announcement of Beye. But I thought he was one of our best players against Chelski so I'm happy to be proved wrong and for him to deputise.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Surrey Villain on October 21, 2010, 11:08:01 PM
I have said this before and I will probably say it again but I think Luke young is at least our third best right back.  I prefer Cuellar and Beye and possibly Lichaj. I know I will get crucified for this opinion but I still stick to it.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Dave on October 21, 2010, 11:42:19 PM
Id rather have salifou at right back than Beye.
What a ridiculous comment - I assume it was ironic.
You assume wrong.

There's a rather crazy person who doesn't really get football posting and he needs humouring.
Title: Re: Luke Young out for the next 3 games.
Post by: Bex on October 22, 2010, 07:47:12 AM
I guess Warnock must be very close to a suspension. That could mean cover needed at both full-back positions, hopefully not against SHA!
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