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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PaulTheVillan on October 08, 2010, 12:07:53 PM
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Villa hero John Carew has admitted for the first time his future could lie away from the club.
The 31-year-old’s existing deal runs out next summer but, with new boss Gerard Houllier having only just arrived at Villa Park, the claret and blues are yet to make a decision over whether to offer him a new contract.
Carew has been a firm fans’ favourite since his arrival from Lyon in January 2007, but has refused to rule out the possibility of a new challenge elsewhere.
Speaking in an interview with the Norwegian media while on international duty, he said: “I am in a very comfortable position.
“The spell at Villa has been fantastic. I will now see what opportunities and challenges turn up.
“I have enjoyed myself in England but it’s possible that something interesting will come up.”
Read more: http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2010/10/08/i-could-leave-villa-admits-john-carew/#ixzz11lSAiCuW
Bye then.
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No great loss, anymore. He's more bothered about waving to fans singing his cretinous song than actually performing on the pitch.
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He has not come anywhere close to earning himself a new contract for at least 12 months so he isn't exactly entitled to whinge.
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He has not come anywhere close to earning himself a new contract for at least 12 months so he isn't exactly entitled to whinge.
He was superb in the 2nd half v Reading.
Can't really remember much else.
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In other news, shares in Spearmint Rhino Group slumped alarmingly this morning.
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He has not come anywhere close to earning himself a new contract for at least 12 months so he isn't exactly entitled to whinge.
He was superb in the 2nd half v Reading.
Can't really remember much else.
Exactly.
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He'll go. We all thought it before this anyway!
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when he is on his game, he is totally unplayable to 99% of defenders in the world...
its just a shame he is only on his game once every 5 games or so...
i will wish him all the best when he moves on...
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He has not come anywhere close to earning himself a new contract for at least 12 months so he isn't exactly entitled to whinge.
He was superb in the 2nd half of the season.
If only we could get him playing well between August and Christmas.
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when he is on his game, he is totally unplayable to 99% of defenders in the world...
its just a shame he is only on his game once every 5 games or so...
i will wish him all the best when he moves on...
It's less than every 5 games these days.
I wish him well when he leaves though.
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Costs too much to be an impact sub and he's become terribly injury prone and seems to permanently suffer with back problems.
If he had reasonable fitness, keeping him would be essential, but he's 31 and the amount of games he could miss will only increase.
With his nomad reputation, it's amazing he stayed with us as long as he has.
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Talent and ability wise, he's been one of the best strikers we've had down VP for years. Just a shame we haven't seen the talent and ability each time he steps onto the pitch.
In years to come though, i will remember him with much more affection than other players from the last few years.
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If he leaves he has been overall a very good player for us and I wish him well.
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It's time to find someone better, but we can't say we didn't get our money's worth out of him. I still consider him as a free transfer as Baros was worthless anyway.
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It was a good bit of business by MON to bring him in and he's been pretty good overall. If he fancies one more club before he retires, then good luck to him.
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I hope he stays for another year or two personally. Doubt it though.
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Think his time has come. To inconsistent for where Villa want to be. His injuries will get worse and more regular as he gets older. Like what he has brought to our club though. Good luck ....
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Seeing how he started the season then I'm happy for him to leave. As soon as Heskey went off at Spurs I thought we'd lose. Shows how far they've both gone that Carew replacing Heskey is a negative move for the team.
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Good riddance to bad rubbish
Far too many times he just lumbers about looking uniterested
Scored a few last season but the majority of those were in the Cup against shit opposition
cant come soon enough for me, lets hope that annoying song stops as well because for the most part he has done fuck all to warrant cult like status
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Strange how this sort of story almost always comes out while players are away for international duty. If he goes, he goes.
And who changed Mark Fletcher's name to Ace?
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Mark himself.
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I wish him all the best when he leaves and just hope we find a good replacement.
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John Carew, Carew
He's bigger than me and you
A lot of the time he's Poo
John Carew, Carew.
Bye John. You've done very well out of the Villa.
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Not consistent enough but has looked brilliant on occassions.
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Great bit of business swapping him for Baros, and he can still play when he wants to.
I think he and GH don't see eye to eye.
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I think that will suit all parties to be honest, unless Villa are seriously skint.
At 32+, we'd be bonkers to offer him a contract on his current terms. He'll get a nice pay day and the chance to play more games before he retires.
Let's hope Houllier starts planning for his departure soonish.
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I agree, Dante.
He's been good for us, and we can ill afford to lose a goalscorer, even one out of form, but it'll be his last big contract, and he'll get much bigger money than we should give him abroad somewhere.
Somewhere like Turkey.
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I dont think its a question of consistency.....he is just plain lazy.
From the Collymore school of having every bit of talent required to be a superstar but not being arsed often enough.
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I think he and GH don't see eye to eye.
Gezza would need a step ladder for that.
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Good riddance to bad rubbish
Far too many times he just lumbers about looking uniterested
Scored a few last season but the majority of those were in the Cup against shit opposition
cant come soon enough for me, lets hope that annoying song stops as well because for the most part he has done fuck all to warrant cult like status
Grossly unfair, IMO.
He's scored double figures in the league for us each season he's been here and has been a great asset. I agree times up for him, but there's no need for that kind of revisionism!
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Good riddance to bad rubbish
Far too many times he just lumbers about looking uniterested
Scored a few last season but the majority of those were in the Cup against shit opposition
cant come soon enough for me, lets hope that annoying song stops as well because for the most part he has done fuck all to warrant cult like status
Grossly unfair, IMO.
He's scored double figures in the league for us each season he's been here and has been a great asset. I agree times up for him, but there's no need for that kind of revisionism!
I agree,done a really good job for us at times,especially in the first year or so. At times looked like a World beater and and so hard to play against,I remember the home game against Arsenal a couple of years ago where we lost 2-1 at home,but in the second half he tore them apart and we should of won. But now he looks like he has trouble running let alone scoring.
Try and get a bit of cash for him,or maybe use him in a deal.Good luck to him,we missed a forward like him or a while.
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We need better now so thanks, good bye and good luck John.
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Rocket Club will miss him more than we will. Now we have super Emile B)
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Good riddance to bad rubbish
Far too many times he just lumbers about looking uniterested
Scored a few last season but the majority of those were in the Cup against shit opposition
cant come soon enough for me, lets hope that annoying song stops as well because for the most part he has done fuck all to warrant cult like status
Grossly unfair, IMO.
He's scored double figures in the league for us each season he's been here and has been a great asset. I agree times up for him, but there's no need for that kind of revisionism!
I agree,done a really good job for us at times,especially in the first year or so. At times looked like a World beater and and so hard to play against,I remember the home game against Arsenal a couple of years ago where we lost 2-1 at home,but in the second half he tore them apart and we should of won. But now he looks like he has trouble running let alone scoring.
Try and get a bit of cash for him,or maybe use him in a deal.Good luck to him,we missed a forward like him or a while.
I also agree, JC has been good for the Villa he's been our top scorer for the last 3 years and he's got a good relationship with the fans.
If he can go get a deal somewhere else for the last couple of years of his career then good luck to him but I think people are being a bit disrespectful towards him.
Whats next a emile heskey love in? Fuck me he's a had 3 good games in 2.5 years and now he's suddenly everones favorite player!
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Disappointing to see him go, considering the player he could be, but so often isn't.
A waste of good talent I think. For someone to be as good as he can be and not do it regularly for a team is disappointing, but you just get the impression that he's not really bothered. If he plays well, great, if not, he still gets paid.
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Could never understand how he achieved cult status simply by not being Milan Baros. His contribution has been over hyped since the beginning in my view, and the last eighteen months have seen some very poor performances from him. No great loss to the club if/when he leaves.
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He did well for quite a time, but it hasn't just been form that's dropped off. He just seems to have lost any semblance of trying. Added to which he gives away a foul every 21 minutes (a stat that only surprised me because it didn't seem like enough), and given we have good young forwards coming through, I think it may be time to part company.
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Decent player with occasional outbreaks of excellence. A striker who scores goals, he's played a big part in things over the last few years, and I always got the impression he did a good job of mentoring (for want of a better word) some of the young 'uns, but I think his best days here are behind him, and he'll be off sooner rather than later.
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Good riddance to bad rubbish
Idiot
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If he leaves he has been overall a very good player for us and I wish him well.
This
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Good riddance to bad rubbish
Idiot
Absolutely.
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Could never understand how he achieved cult status simply by not being Milan Baros. His contribution has been over hyped since the beginning in my view, and the last eighteen months have seen some very poor performances from him. No great loss to the club if/when he leaves.
I agree entirely with this. Good at times, rank awful at others, over hyped regardless though...
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About the right time for him to leave amicably. Whens his contract up?
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Good riddance to bad rubbish
Idiot
Absolutely.
Thirded.
The bloke helped us to destroy the Blues, he should have our gratitude for that alone.
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Good riddance to bad rubbish
Idiot
Absolutely.
Thirded.
The bloke helped us to destroy the Blues, he should have our gratitude for that alone.
So did Baros once. I'll never be grateful to a player for actually doing his job just because it was against our supposed rivals.
As for Carew, sometimes world class and unstoppable (possibly WBA away a few years ago was the best I saw him play), sometimes abysmal (may as well not even be on the pitch when he's in that mood), and more often than not, average.
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He has been good nad if he leaves I wish him well. Feel sorry for the owner of Rocket Club!!
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I think he and GH don't see eye to eye.
That's because
he is bigger than Hou!
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Would wish him well if he goes - but truth be told he is so frustrating.
On his day he could beat teams single handed - those days arent often enough though
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Good deal at the time but I think we've had the best of him.
He was out for a time with a back injury in 2008 and it's the type of injury that never heals - can only be managed. So I think the fact that he looks so off the pace at times is more to do with that than by not being bothered.
He's been a big player for us, but if he goes he goes.
Probably best all round as he's one of our top earners and we need a bigger contribution than he's managed over recent months to justify that.
One final hurrrah in a less demanding league (take your pick from Scotland, Holland or Turkey) is probably what he needs at this point in his career.
He still has it in his locker to be a game turner for us though, so has my backing whilst he is still at the club.
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I've always marvelled at his ability to be able to wave and acknowledge
the supporters singing his name just as a corner is being swung in !!
Perhaps I should correct the word 'marvelled' to something less complimentary
At times can be un-playable but more often than not doesn't play
Will be interesting to see if he remains popular with the supporters ........
can't see it myself compared to how we remained behind Mellberg
a couple of years back
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It's about time for a new Villa hero. I think Carew is a good bloke and has provided some nice memories but there's been a massive gap for a centre forward star at Villa for donkey's years. Carew has almost got there but has fallen short for me.
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Another player in the good enough for the journey to a European place but not good enough for the final push to the top 4.
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(Scored for Norway this evening. Yippee!)
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I have a real strong feeling that Carew is going to play a real big part for Villa this season.
Even though he has been shit this season, although he was class against west ham but just couldn't get the ball in the net.
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Another player in the good enough for the journey to a European place but not good enough for the final push to the top 4.
Like 99% of our squad
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A decent, sometime match winning centre forward. Has given good not great service. I'd like him to be around as a squad player but that's unlikely on the wages he's currently on. Good luck and goodbye.
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if the service to him had been better last season he'd have scored a lot more. At times it was bloody shocking. He'll have been at the club near enough 5 years by the end of this season, and he's in his 30's now. He'll never be a run around all day player, and he's done well for most of his time with us in my opinion. Add to that he's never had a bad word to say about us. I'll have lots of good Carew memories, especially when he picked up the kid after scoring when we spanked the shit. I happen to think Houllier will change the personel quite radically next year, and that includes moving out players like Heskey despite his recent revival. I think he'll try and develop a far more technical side, so this season for the imcumbents will be about whether they fit the future or not.
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I was browsing You Tube the other night and found a vid showing the 10 Worst open goal misses, and Carew was one of them. I couldn't work out who he was playing for at the time but it was the sort of miss that would satisfy a Pakistani betting syndicate. Hilarious.
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Bloody hell, can't we just get to the end of the season before writing him off? I think he'll get at least double figures in goals.
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not sure how many times hs's played when totally match fit, not many times in the last couple of years is my guess. I have bagged him but just wonder whether fitness has been a problam for quite a while.
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Agree i dont think he has ever recovered his fitness since the back problem, he had some great moments but never a great season unplayable to unwatchable time to go
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Overall he has been good but I dont ever feel he will ever get back to that spell of being virtually unplayable.
In fact I find it all rather frustrating. He can be winning every ball in the air but there is no end product from it. Is this because his flick ons arent good enough or because the players around him arent taking advantage ? Perhaps he needs a Gary Shaw playing off him (easier said that done).
His most productive work these days seem to be when he just keeps driving on into the area with the ball and defenders are unable to disposses him or they panic and bring him down.
In the MON era, games could finish up being chased throwing long balls forward to Carew, he would win them but we would most likely as not lose possession.
Against Spurs, even with the enforced change to Carew, those long balls became no more prevalent and we tried to keep playing through on the floor. Carews style completely unsuited to the way Houllier will want us to play, or can he adapt his game at this stage in his career to suit ?
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Love him but he's gotta go. He's on gigantic wages and we need a new centre forward so it's the logical thing to let him go on a free.
Plus he's never been consistant anywhere, and it's only gonna get worse as he gets further into his 30's.
I just don't want him to sign for another English club.
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Surprised he's lasted this long to be honest, must be a record for him.
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Even when he's having an off day he has still looked like one of our biggest goal threats. Its a shame that he is not more consistant and his games where he is unplayable seem to get further and further apart but lets face it, if he were more consistant he would have been transferred to one of the biggest clubs in Europe a long time ago.
I just hope we dont sell him to another English club.
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never liked him, lazy journeyman, he can trap a ball further than i can kick it, here's hoping we don't keep going down the big lump up front route, we need nippy forwards to play a better brand of football UTV
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Jeez, some new manager comes in, someone who knows what he's like and he's talking about moving on?
How about knuckling down and proving him how wrong he was to sell him in the first place?
FFS.
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never liked him, lazy journeyman, he can trap a ball further than i can kick it, here's hoping we don't keep going down the big lump up front route, we need nippy forwards to play a better brand of football UTV
Staggering
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not sure how many times hs's played when totally match fit, not many times in the last couple of years is my guess. I have bagged him but just wonder whether fitness has been a problam for quite a while.
It has been.
The back in injury he had diagnosed in 2008 was potentially career ending. Before then he was a robust CF, giving defenders a torrid time even if he wasn't scoring. Going to war isn't really an option for him anymore and he's had to change his game accordingly.
Kevin Mac also said he'd been struggling at the start of the season, so for those who don't think he can be bothered it says a lot about him that he's trying to play through the pain barrier.
He's probably the best finisher at the club (not hard admittedly) and tries to time his runs into the box more now, ghosting in and creating havoc that way. Rather than tenderising CB's for 90 minutes. But yes, when the former doesn't work he doesn't look like he's doing much else.
But he's still capable of creating something out of nothing and had a good second half to the last campaign. Whilst he's with us he can be an asset, it just seems that his good games are becoming further and further spread out.
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When he's up for it he is superb but when he isn't he's about as useful as Heskey ( Pre GHs arrival). Id still be sad to see him go because we know he can do it. He was dynamite in the second half of last season. We need that now.
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He used to have one game in 3/4 where he was pretty much unplayable, he now has one game in what 7/8 where he is useful?
For what we're paying him and for where we want to be he isn't good enough.
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our top scorer the past three seasons and that is with injury problems and MON playing Heskey ahead of him stupidly at times - Carling Cup final anyone. Sure he has his fault but he always ends his seasons well and his starts to goals ratio is decent. The goal for Norway midweek might get him going again, he is a very streaky goalscorer. Long term we need to replace him but he might still have a good season and get 12 or so goals. Great business swapping Baros for him in any case.
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Caught his goal for Norway the other night, lovely bit of play from the big man. He can only play once a week, when he does he's got to make it worthwhile to Villa. He'll be here til the end of the season anyway and I don't think Heskey can be relied upon yet so Carew still has a job to finish here.
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Must admit i am bit suprised by peoples love affair with Carew.
perhaps they could explain when it became okay for a Villa player not to try and really give a toss? - as per the games he has played this season
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Must admit i am bit suprised by peoples love affair with Carew.
perhaps they could explain when it became okay for a Villa player not to try and really give a toss? - as per the games he has played this season
With the greatest of respect that's bollocks, how can you say he doesn't give a toss? For example he was critisized after West Ham but other than score he was excellent, admittidly he wasn't the best against Newcastle but were any of them? As Kev Mac said he has been carrying an injury. I find it staggering the way people are turnng on a good servant for the club he has been worth his weight in gold
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Must admit i am bit suprised by peoples love affair with Carew.
are you capable of posting without overreacting?
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The Carew for Baros swap was one of the best bits of business the Villa have done for a few years.
Carew pre injury was a formidible opponant - not seen a Villa Centre Forward out muscle Centre Halves since the days of McInnally and before him Thompson, Withe and Gray. A real throw back to what the Villa used to have up top.
Anybody that wants to base their opinion on the Carew of the last 12 months (coiming back from a serious Injury in the later stages of a career) really isn't being fair.
I expect him to leave as this makes sense for both parties, but he goes with my best wishes. He's Villa through and through and I reckon he did alright for us.
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Absolutely. Good post. I too expect Carew to leave at the end of the season as it makes sense all round, but he's really contributed strongly since he's been at Villa. Yes, that back injury has taken its toll, but even with that injury, consider his performances in the final third of last season. For several games, it was only him scoring - take his goals away and we'd have got nowhere near 6th.
His goals/games ratio is good, I like the guy and he's been a focal point of the team for four seasons now. I still think he's got plenty to offer this season, even if it's as more of a cameo/support role. Don't forget we've already had injuries to Gabby and Heskey recently - we still need Big John at this stage.
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Must admit i am bit suprised by peoples love affair with Carew.
perhaps they could explain when it became okay for a Villa player not to try and really give a toss? - as per the games he has played this season
With the greatest of respect that's bollocks, how can you say he doesn't give a toss? For example he was critisized after West Ham but other than score he was excellent, admittidly he wasn't the best against Newcastle but were any of them? As Kev Mac said he has been carrying an injury. I find it staggering the way people are turnng on a good servant for the club he has been worth his weight in gold
The player doesn't give a toss argument an its variants are rarely accurate, in my view. When things go south between player and club, for example Alpay and Ginnola, or the player has emotional problems, as was the case with Collymore, then it may have some validity.
The most bizarre use of the argument was after 03/03/03, when lack of passion, no guts, shouldn't wear the shirt was being bandied about everywhere, and could not have been further from the truth.
It has to be said though, that even before his back injury, JC would not turn it on consistently. If he did that in his career, then he wouldn't have been playing for us in the first place. He would be at a CL club.
Something is psyche stops him from being a great player.
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Taxi for Carew you overpaid and lazy fuck. Surprise surprise has slid over to Norway and is claiming Houllier showing him a lack of respect. Might be bullshit but aint good if true.
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I think he will be off in January. I like the bloke but he has spent far too long on the sidelines of late and we could fill his shirt with a proven striker who will be on the pitch.
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Some players come, get idolised, get paid vast sums, show glimpses of what they are capable of, but ultimately disappoint and move on. I've seen it dozens of times before - will no doubt see it many times more. Carew is nothing unique.
I just wish that that sort of player would close the door quietly on the way out.
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I just wish that that sort of player would close the door quietly on the way out.
Exactly!
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Would be great to offload him in Jan.
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Lazy and plays well once in ten games, good riddance. Lets be honest, all our strikers are shite and it's about time we had a quality striker down at VP, it's been far too long.
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Some players come, get idolised, get paid vast sums, show glimpses of what they are capable of, but ultimately disappoint and move on. I've seen it dozens of times before - will no doubt see it many times more. Carew is nothing unique.
I just wish that that sort of player would close the door quietly on the way out.
I agree.
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The most frustrating thing about Big John is when he is on it there's not too many defenders in the world that can handle him. It is sad that it just doesn't happen more often. I guess he will sign a pre-contract with someone and leave in the summer. I would rather not have him hanging around.
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Try not to let the door hit you on the arse on your way out of town. No loss.
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Carew was a very talented player. If he had had a better attitude (more humility) and worked harder (in training and matches), he could, possibly, have been a world class striker in the mould of Drogba. Instead, he has been an good but inconsistent Premier League striker. Injuries and age have started to take their toll, and his performances no longer (perhaps they never have) match his ego. He probably think his past records merits a new contract, even if his current performances doesn't. It is better to let such a player leave.
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In terms of goals per game/appearance he is right up there with some of the very best who ever wore the shirt. 103 starts (27 sub apps), 52 goals. That puts him marginally ahead of the likes of Withe, McInally, Gray, Shaw, Leonard, Deehan, McParland, Yorke etc...
I don't rate him as a better overall player than those listed but you'd think his record would be worthy of a modicum of respect from every Villa fan.
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How many goals did he score during the sub appearances I wonder. 52 in 130 appearances, in 103 starts probably 40 goals or so? Still pretty decent.
He tends to score in streaks, usually in the last couple of months of the season. He's not scored enough against the big teams though his performance against Arsenal at VP in December '07 was almost the perfect ''big number 9'' display. A real shame we haven't seen a bit more of that.
I do agree with VD that people are ploughing into him a bit too much, he's been our top scorer with decent goal tallies for every full season he's been here.
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He's a top 6 player but not a top 4 player. He couldn't cut it at the two Champions League clubs he played at and he found his level with a current Europa League team like ourselves. I've loved him being at the club but I think we need to move on and so does he.
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New Chant Wanted - Please Help
"John Carew, Carew. He's richer than me and you"
Next lines please.
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"He's gonna score one or two...all season".
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He's always been a one in three player but it's not games, it's months. He'll have a long good spell then a longer bad one.
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Not sure if someone else has already put this but i thought he'd already gone. 11 league games in and only one league goal has come from a striker, Carew hasnt looked at all like damaging that statistic and its not like he hasnt been given a chance. Let him go and get someone else in in January.
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How many goals did he score during the sub appearances I wonder. 52 in 130 appearances, in 103 starts probably 40 goals or so? Still pretty decent.
He tends to score in streaks, usually in the last couple of months of the season. He's not scored enough against the big teams though his performance against Arsenal at VP in December '07 was almost the perfect ''big number 9'' display. A real shame we haven't seen a bit more of that.
I do agree with VD that people are ploughing into him a bit too much, he's been our top scorer with decent goal tallies for every full season he's been here.
46 in 103 starts, a goal every 2.23 started games.
John Lerwill has his list of 200 key players in Villa history on this link...
http://www.lerwill-life.org.uk/astonvilla/avkeyplayers.htm
You can sort the list by clicking on the average games per goal column to see where he sits.
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I think the point with Carew is although the stats showed he scored once approx every three games the reality was he usually scored more then one in a match when he scored. So he could have got 4 in 3 matches and then not score for the next 9 or so. Of those non goal scoring displays he might play well in another 2 or 3 but will do nothing for the team in the next 6-7. Of course as Dave pointed out, it wasn't even that simple as that even as a good spell of games at the start or end of the season bookended a longer poorer spell.
Fans will put up with no goals if they put in a good display or at least look interested. But Carew has pulled out of several games that he didn't fancy whilst he has been here when he decided he was too good to play with the kids or just couldn't be arsed. Burnley is the last time this has happened.
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He’s totally unreliable. We cannot depend on his fitness or commitment when we really need him. If you couple this with his dismal form and huge wages then I think its perhaps time to move him on for somebody younger, fitter and more mobile.
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He's a top 6 player but not a top 4 player. He couldn't cut it at the two Champions League clubs he played at and he found his level with a current Europa League team like ourselves. I've loved him being at the club but I think we need to move on and so does he.
This will be the same JC who has played in a Champions League final for Valencia and has played CL for Rosenborg, Roma and Lyon, doing this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfc7qmLQT5o) versus Real Madrid in Sep 2006?
He is one of the few players we've had with an international reputation, at his very best deserving to be seen as one of the best.
Injuries have done for him though and his impact is declining. He still has it in his locker to be a match winner but even getting him out onto the pitch seems to require effort now.
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Not worth the money anymore, but man I loved seeing him in the middle of a cross plugging up the lane.
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Amazes me hes been waved off when Heskey is the replacement.
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Amazes me hes been waved off when Heskey is the replacement.
That's because you're incredibly thick.
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Amazes me hes been waved off when Heskey is the replacement.
Who has done infinitely better this season than Carew? You don't really get this football lark, do you?
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Amazes me hes been waved off when Heskey is the replacement.
Who has done infinitely better this season than Carew? You don't really get this football lark, do you?
Heskey had done absolutely nothing prior to this season, with Carew easily outscoring and out performing him. Suddenly after a few good games Heskey's the hero.
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Heskey had done absolutely nothing prior to this season, with Carew easily outscoring and out performing him. Suddenly after a few good games Heskey's the hero.
I'm pointing out that Heskey's been far more influential than Carew this season. Not only that, but his attitude has been top notch. I'm not saying that he's the second coming, or that he's a hero of mine, but if I were to guess who would be more of an asset to the team for the next season, season and a half, I would pick Heskey every day of the week. Carew's attitude stinks at the moment, and shows no signs of changing.
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Im incredibly thick?? Ha. makes me giggle. Lets go by "facts" from the Villa website (which may be just league appearances?)
Carew played 133 score 37
A goal every 3.5 games.
He hasnt scored in ten appearances now and you lot right him off and say hes done for.
Of course, Heskey has scored this season YAY. taking his total after 71 games to 6! WOOP.
Averaging 1 goal in 11.8 games. so he averages 1 goal in 12, but now Carew hasnt scored in ten he isnt good enough. But because heskey scored v Wolves and Blackburn reserves. he is!
YAY US.
Now i honestly believe we could scrap all our strikers and start again. But everyone writing off our best and proven striker that we have at the moment seems strange to me. Anyway, carry on with the Carew bashing kids.
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I don't see how you have to be a fan of Heskey to see that Carew isn't pulling his weight anymore??
Personally, I say both should be shipped out and one new striker brought in alongside Gabby and the Fonz.
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Im incredibly thick
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I don't see how you have to be a fan of Heskey to see that Carew isn't pulling his weight anymore??
Personally, I say both should be shipped out and one new striker brought in alongside gabby and the Fonz.
That's right. Carew's given far more to Villa since he's been here than Heskey, he's been here for four years and his goals return has been good. We have to recognise that and he deserves credit for that, but it's also good to know when to move a player on. Heskey looks like he's found a new gear this season and that's long overdue. Personally, I've always rated Carew ahead of Heskey but I do think both need to leave by the summer. I can see Carew going in January and Emile in the summer.
Like John, I think New Top Class Striker plus Gabby, Fonz and Weimann (just think he's got something, a penalty box poacher) will see us looking strong next season.
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I'd agree with the 2 moving on, but reckon 2 in would be required.
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I'd agree with the 2 moving on, but reckon 2 in would be required.
I'm not sure we can keep 4 striker, maybe 5 if you include Weimann, happy if we're only playing one up front.
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I'm not sure we can keep 4 striker, maybe 5 if you include Weimann, happy if we're only playing one up front.
I guess it depends on how Houllier wants us to play long term. Is the 4-4-1-1 formation out of necessity or design? We'll have to see I suppose.
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Im incredibly thick?? Ha. makes me giggle. Lets go by "facts" from the Villa website (which may be just league appearances?)
Carew played 133 score 37
A goal every 3.5 games.
He hasnt scored in ten appearances now and you lot right him off and say hes done for.
Of course, Heskey has scored this season YAY. taking his total after 71 games to 6! WOOP.
Averaging 1 goal in 11.8 games. so he averages 1 goal in 12, but now Carew hasnt scored in ten he isnt good enough. But because heskey scored v Wolves and Blackburn reserves. he is!
YAY US.
Now i honestly believe we could scrap all our strikers and start again. But everyone writing off our best and proven striker that we have at the moment seems strange to me. Anyway, carry on with the Carew bashing kids.
Carew has done well for us there's no doubting that. But this season he doesn't look like doing much at all, we've seen the best of him and now would be the right time to move him on to allow us to get a fee which we can put towards a younger hungrier striker.
If you are basing an aging players worth on what they have done then by that reckoning Thiery Henry should still be turning out for Arsenal
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I'd agree with the 2 moving on, but reckon 2 in would be required.
I'm not sure we can keep 4 striker, maybe 5 if you include Weimann, happy if we're only playing one up front.
You're right John, if you play 1 up front, you just need 3 seniors and 1 up and coming (Weimann, say)
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I'd agree with the 2 moving on, but reckon 2 in would be required.
Not necessarily, if we continue with using Young as a second striker.
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Yer if Fonz steps in we'll be ok, if not, give him a yr on loan and get a 2nd guy in
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Carew played 133 score 37
A goal every 3.5 games.
I don't think anyone's disputing the fact that over the last three or four years he's done well for us. On current form however, Carew shouldn't even be in the squad, never mind the first 11.
He looks half-dead and uninterested when he does get a game. That's bad enough if you're playing 4-4-2 but as a lone striker it's just not acceptable.
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Carew played 133 score 37
A goal every 3.5 games.
I don't think anyone's disputing the fact that over the last three or four years he's done well for us. On current form however, Carew shouldn't even be in the squad, never mind the first 11.
He looks half-dead and uninterested when he does get a game. That's bad enough if you're playing 4-4-2 but as a lone striker it's just not acceptable.
We do have to add into the factor that Gerard is hardly a cheerleader for him!
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Im incredibly thick
giggle.
WOOP.
YAY
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Now i honestly believe we could scrap all our strikers and start again. But everyone writing off our best and proven striker that we have at the moment seems strange to me.
I think Gabby has contributed far more to the team, goals and workrate, than Carew ever has done. So i wouldn't say he has been our most proven striker at all.
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Carew played 133 score 37
A goal every 3.5 games.
Eh???
Carew played 116 games scored 48 goals according to wiki.
So I think Carew needs abit more credit and respect.
Heskey is getting lots of encouragement by a manager who is treating Carew the same way he did before he turned out 4 good years for Aston Villa, he hasn't really had a look in since Houllier arrived. As I said a month or so ago i think Carew will be important for us this season.
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Would be lovely if one of Carew's final acts would be to put SHA out of the cup!
I'll never forget his performances in the 5-1, away at the Albion in 2008-2009 and at Old Trafford in 2009. On his day he's been unplayable and up their with the best strikers I've seen at Villa Park. Though I only really have Yorkie and Deano to compare him too!
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Would be lovely if one of Carew's final acts would be to put SHA out of the cup!
I'll never forget his performances in the 5-1, away at the Albion in 2008-2009 and at Old Trafford in 2009. On his day he's been unplayable and up their with the best strikers I've seen at Villa Park. Though I only really have Yorkie and Deano to compare him too!
Problem is his day comes around once in a blue moon. If he was capable of being consistent, i'm not sure we'd have got him in the first place.
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Now i honestly believe we could scrap all our strikers and start again. But everyone writing off our best and proven striker that we have at the moment seems strange to me.
I think Gabby has contributed far more to the team, goals and workrate, than Carew ever has done. So i wouldn't say he has been our most proven striker at all.
carews goals per game is slightly better and thats what strikers goal should be. Hence why i hate heskey.
Gabby could easily score more! if he didnt think he was a winger and got in the box more.