Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: cdward on October 04, 2010, 03:02:51 PM
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http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Birmingham-boss-Alex-McLeish-has-hit-out-against-the-fickle-fans-that-booed-Birmingham-off-the-pitch-after-their-first-home-defeat-in-13-months-article593615.html
So now our neighbours, are accused of being fickle, but i also heard the crowd booing at Anfield.
So the question is, should football fans be allowed to boo, and is it right.
I do think the knuckledraggers have lost all sense of reality and perspecctive if they think they should be beating a team like Everton at home at a canter. I can understand the Liverpool fans frustrations, which are probably aimed at the board rather than the players or manager.
My own view is that if you want to boo you can, as we have experienced though it is hard to get the right message across sometimes
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As a manager, you're on a slippery slope when you start knocking the fans.
I think fans are more demanding these days because they're paying top dollar to watch, by all accounts the Blues were terrible and were very similar to us when we lost 2-0 at home to Wigan.
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The Blues have always been terrible to watch. Out of all of my Blues mates only one of them goes and she's stopped going now. She said she's never seen them play good football, ever. Even when they were in the CCC and got promoted.
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Every team has an element of fickle fans but it's a bit much booing the team when they have been unbeaten at home for a year.
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I wonder if we are literally better than them in every position. Thankfully I don't know their team off by heart so I can't comment.
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I wonder if we are literally better than them in every position. Thankfully I don't know their team off by heart so I can't comment.
I'm being completely unbiased when I say that there is not ONE of their players who could get into our starting 11.
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I wonder if we are literally better than them in every position. Thankfully I don't know their team off by heart so I can't comment.
I'm being completely unbiased when I say that there is not ONE of their players who could get into our starting 11.
Being as their top goal scorer and best player this year was our reserve midfielder you do have a point.
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I think they have done better than they should expect. Saying that I did say that zigic was gonna be shit and i've been right so far.
I do think Dann is a good player, im now going to go kill myself ;D
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The Blues have always been terrible to watch. Out of all of my Blues mates only one of them goes and she's stopped going now. She said she's never seen them play good football, ever. Even when they were in the CCC and got promoted.
My mate went to Blackpool when they were in the CCC he said they were booing and chanting at ginger twat to fuck off back to scotland
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One of the (very) few positives of that lot coming up is it's pretty much killed the myth that they'd pack the place out to the point of needing a 50/60k super stadium.
They've always had a pretty small support base bearing in mind the size of Brum as a city.
Of the supporters that do claim some kind of affinity for them, it's amazing how many of them have a 'second' club, in true lower league style. "I support B-lose but I've always had a soft spot for Chelsea/ Tottenham/ Man U" and so on. Bizarre. I can't think of many other Prem clubs -outside of possibly Wigan- that could rival them on that one.
Almost as funny as the ones who don't express any interest for football at all -outside of England games and the odd occasion they get one over on us. They all come out of the woodwork then but hash up for the rest of the time.
They're not fickle, they just have limited attention spans.
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I wonder if we are literally better than them in every position. Thankfully I don't know their team off by heart so I can't comment.
I'm being completely unbiased when I say that there is not ONE of their players who could get into our starting 11.
I'd take Hleb and Johnson off their hands and that's about it.
Maybe Steve Carr as well, give him a banjo and get him to re-enact this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6GHh6xnNJ0) scene at half time in the centre circle.
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As a manager, you're on a slippery slope when you start knocking the fans.
I think fans are more demanding these days because they're paying top dollar to watch
Season ticket for two adults and two youngsters in the City Stand - £440 the lot. At any other club that would be a bargain. Tell that to the next one who moans that he would go every week if only he wasn't being ripped off by the Board down there, whoever it is this week.
McLeish is right, the fans are shite.
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So most of their fans stay at home and even the ones that do go haven't got a clue. Sounds about right really.
Even in this fantastic year-long unbeaten spell of theirs, they're utter dross to watch. They just bore teams into submission. I moaned about the Villa occasionally last year, but they made us look like Brazil '82 at times.
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We've managed to turn this into an anti blues thread.
In reaponse to the initial question, i don't boo when we play poorly but respect the right of others to do so. They pay a lot of money.
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I wonder if we are literally better than them in every position. Thankfully I don't know their team off by heart so I can't comment.
I'm being completely unbiased when I say that there is not ONE of their players who could get into our starting 11.
Wrong.. judging by how by collins and richard dunce are playing you'd take scott dann anyday, if he's good enough to intrest man utd who are a much much bigger club than the vile then he would walk into your team atm, arguabley so would roger Johnson, and you can't tell me that allbrighten or however the f**k you spell the b***h's name or petrov are better than Hleb lol ... typical biased Vile view towards their neighbours
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I wonder if we are literally better than them in every position. Thankfully I don't know their team off by heart so I can't comment.
I'm being completely unbiased when I say that there is not ONE of their players who could get into our starting 11.
Wrong.. judging by how by collins and richard dunce are playing you'd take scott dann anyday, if he's good enough to intrest man utd how are a much much bigger club than the vile then he would walk into your team atm, arguabley so would roger Johnson, and you can't tell me that allbrighten or however the f**k you spell the b***h's name or petrov are better than Hleb lol ... typical biased Vile view towards their neighbours
There's no bias about it, it is all fact.
All of our players are better than all of your players.
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Wrong.. judging by how by collins and richard dunce are playing you'd take scott dann anyday, if he's good enough to intrest man utd how are a much much bigger club than the vile then he would walk into your team atm, arguabley so would roger Johnson, and you can't tell me that allbrighten or however the f**k you spell the b***h's name or petrov are better than Hleb lol ... typical biased Vile view towards their neighbours
I'd maybe take Ferguson over Petrov at the moment and thats it, the rest of your rambling dribble is typical of the supporter of a club still banging on about the Atari Six-a-Side whilst we get on with being one of the best sides in the country.
And as for Man Utd being interested in Dann, was that in the same paper that found the double decker bus on the moon?
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I'd have been happy if we'd signed hleb to be honest. Fair enough on Dunne but your comments on Collins are wrong.
B**h's. Have to explain that one to me.
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I wonder if we are literally better than them in every position. Thankfully I don't know their team off by heart so I can't comment.
I'm being completely unbiased when I say that there is not ONE of their players who could get into our starting 11.
Wrong.. judging by how by collins and richard dunce are playing you'd take scott dann anyday, if he's good enough to intrest man utd how are a much much bigger club than the vile then he would walk into your team atm, arguabley so would roger Johnson, and you can't tell me that allbrighten or however the f**k you spell the b***h's name or petrov are better than Hleb lol ... typical biased Vile view towards their neighbours
There's no bias about it, it is all fact.
All of our players are better than all of your players.
The majority are yes but not all.. you have no one in your team better than Hleb (unless any of your lot have played for barcelona ??? likewise you don't have a any better defenders than Dann or Johnson,
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I wonder if we are literally better than them in every position. Thankfully I don't know their team off by heart so I can't comment.
I'm being completely unbiased when I say that there is not ONE of their players who could get into our starting 11.
Wrong.. judging by how by collins and richard dunce are playing you'd take scott dann anyday, if he's good enough to intrest man utd how are a much much bigger club than the vile then he would walk into your team atm, arguabley so would roger Johnson, and you can't tell me that allbrighten or however the f**k you spell the b***h's name or petrov are better than Hleb lol ... typical biased Vile view towards their neighbours
There's no bias about it, it is all fact.
All of our players are better than all of your players.
The majority are yes but not all.. you have no one in your team better than Hleb (unless any of your lot have played for barcelona ??? likewise you don't have a any better defenders than Dann or Johnson,
If Hleb was still any good he'd be playing for a bigger club than you, Blackburn or Stoke for instance.
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hleb who for starters, isnt actually small heaths player... a player who failed at barcelona making 19 appearances in 2 years, and is now currently doing fuck all at small heath?
i do however, rate johnson and dann...
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I wonder if we are literally better than them in every position. Thankfully I don't know their team off by heart so I can't comment.
I'm being completely unbiased when I say that there is not ONE of their players who could get into our starting 11.
Wrong.. judging by how by collins and richard dunce are playing you'd take scott dann anyday, if he's good enough to intrest man utd how are a much much bigger club than the vile then he would walk into your team atm, arguabley so would roger Johnson, and you can't tell me that allbrighten or however the f**k you spell the b***h's name or petrov are better than Hleb lol ... typical biased Vile view towards their neighbours
There's no bias about it, it is all fact.
All of our players are better than all of your players.
The majority are yes but not all.. you have no one in your team better than Hleb (unless any of your lot have played for barcelona ??? likewise you don't have a any better defenders than Dann or Johnson,
The simple truth of it is...
You are a bigger club than us
You have or have had more money than us
You have a much better team than us
You have had better managers than us
Your ground is much better than our's
You have a much bigger fan base than us
You have won more tropheys than us,
I accept all of that, i am not a glory supporter as i support my team who play s**t boring football, because my team is in my blood,
and after taking all of that into consideration.... it makes it funny on the odd occasions when we do beat you. :D
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How many times are you going to sign up under different names to try and ingratiate yourself with your betters?
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hleb who for starters, isnt actually small heaths player... a player who failed at barcelona making 19 appearances in 2 years, and is now currently doing fuck all at small heath?
i do however, rate johnson and dann...
Yes he didnt do very well at Barca but they still brought him.. barcelona dont just buy anyone.. and he also turned down Benfica, Liverpool, Tottenham and Borussia Dortmund to come to us.. although i bet he wishes he hadn't now ;D He would get into the villa side of that there is no doubt.
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Has that nose been banned yet? He's making the place stink.
Someone hose him down.
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Has that nose been banned yet? He's making the place stink.
Someone hose him down.
He's behaving himself, by and large.
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How many times are you going to sign up under different names to try and ingratiate yourself with your betters?
I wasnt aware that a bit of banter was ingratiating myself to anyone,
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hleb who for starters, isnt actually small heaths player... a player who failed at barcelona making 19 appearances in 2 years, and is now currently doing fuck all at small heath?
i do however, rate johnson and dann...
Yes he didnt do very well at Barca but they still brought him.. barcelona dont just buy anyone.. and he also turned down Benfica, Liverpool, Tottenham and Borussia Dortmund to come to us.. although i bet he wishes he hadn't now ;D He would get into the villa side of that there is no doubt.
There's a massive doubt. He'd have to dislodge Ashley Young from the starting 11 and Stephen Ireland from the bench first. He used to be a good player, he might be again, but he's not what we need at the moment.
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I think what Small Heath have got is fighting spirit but that can only take a club so far.
UTV
UTB
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hleb who for starters, isnt actually small heaths player... a player who failed at barcelona making 19 appearances in 2 years, and is now currently doing fuck all at small heath?
i do however, rate johnson and dann...
Yes he didnt do very well at Barca but they still brought him.. barcelona dont just buy anyone.. and he also turned down Benfica, Liverpool, Tottenham and Borussia Dortmund to come to us.. although i bet he wishes he hadn't now ;D He would get into the villa side of that there is no doubt.
There's a massive doubt. He'd have to dislodge Ashley Young from the starting 11 and Stephen Ireland from the bench first. He used to be a good player, he might be again, but he's not what we need at the moment.
No he'd just dislodge allbrighton from the right wing..
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The simple truth of it is...
You are a bigger club than us
You have or have had more money than us
You have a much better team than us
You have had better managers than us
Your ground is much better than our's
You have a much bigger fan base than us
You have won more tropheys than us,
I accept all of that, i am not a glory supporter as i support my team who play s**t boring football, because my team is in my blood,
and after taking all of that into consideration.... it makes it funny on the odd occasions when we do beat you. :D
I think that's a fair cop, Guv, even if I'm not actually sure we've always had better managers than you lot.
But, hey! if you follow the team you love - whatever the team - fair play.
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You under-estimate Albrighton at your peril, pal.
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hleb who for starters, isnt actually small heaths player... a player who failed at barcelona making 19 appearances in 2 years, and is now currently doing fuck all at small heath?
i do however, rate johnson and dann...
Yes he didnt do very well at Barca but they still brought him.. barcelona dont just buy anyone.. and he also turned down Benfica, Liverpool, Tottenham and Borussia Dortmund to come to us.. although i bet he wishes he hadn't now ;D He would get into the villa side of that there is no doubt.
There's a massive doubt. He'd have to dislodge Ashley Young from the starting 11 and Stephen Ireland from the bench first. He used to be a good player, he might be again, but he's not what we need at the moment.
No he'd just dislodge allbrighton from the right wing..
Not if the manager had any sense he wouldn't.
Albrighton has scored one and created three goals so far this season. Whilst looking to be one of the most dangerous and talked about players in the league.
What has Hleb done? Apart from look extremely slow and miss a couple of easy chances of course.
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I'm not a fan of booing myself but if people have paid their money and wait till the end of the game to boo, I can't knock them. I'm sure the Liverpool fans were booing the whole situation at the moment on and off the pitch. As for the Blues fans I think the novelty of the Premier League has worn off now they realise they are just making up the numbers and they havn't won any of their "cup finals" against us for a few years. As for their players vs ours, Johnson and Dann were outstanding last season but I'd want to see them repeat it this year before I went overboard. Hleb has had injury and form problems for a few years which is why he's now on loan at Blues - if he gets his form and fitness back he will be great for them for a season but I'm not sure I believe what he says about all those clubs he turned down.
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You under-estimate Albrighton at your peril, pal.
I actually rate albrighton.. he's a really good player, but if i had the choice between him and hleb ( who isnt even match fit yet ) i'd have Hleb.
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You under-estimate Albrighton at your peril, pal.
I actually rate albrighton.. he's a really good player, but if i had the choice between him and hleb ( who isnt even match fit yet ) i'd have Hleb.
Everyone's happy then
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hleb who for starters, isnt actually small heaths player... a player who failed at barcelona making 19 appearances in 2 years, and is now currently doing fuck all at small heath?
i do however, rate johnson and dann...
Yes he didnt do very well at Barca but they still brought him.. barcelona dont just buy anyone.. and he also turned down Benfica, Liverpool, Tottenham and Borussia Dortmund to come to us.. although i bet he wishes he hadn't now ;D He would get into the villa side of that there is no doubt.
the whole "he played for 'x' club, therefore he must be good" nonsense... always amusing when that card gets played...
djemba-djemba played for man utd, therefore, he must be good? see the folly of that assumption...
there is evidently doubt to whether he would get into the villa side, hence this conversation...
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I'm actually having a rethink about Johnson after seeing his finish on Saturday, very assured.
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The Birmingham and Liverpool fans pay their money and as such have the right to boo. It is worth bearing in mind that prior to that match Everton were winless and that Birmingham mustered no shots on target in a home match.
As for their team I think both Dann and Johnson are good players but I'm not sure if I'd rather have them over Collins and Cuellar who I also think are good players. Ferguson has been a good player for them and does a good job of the defensive midfielder role. That said I do think he's the devil incarnate so that is him out.
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Can everyone stop with this Johnson love in - his behaviour at Villa Park last season along with Stephen Carr makes me think I'd rather see Marlon King and Lee Hughes in a Villa shirt before him. Dann's a good player though.
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I am pleased that you are at least able to correctly spell the names of your players - however its hardly surprising when "Hleb" is so similar to "Pleb" ;)
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i do however, rate johnson and dann...
Nah, Johnsons is mediocre at best. Always lunging in, scoring own goals and giving away penalties. Like the penalty at Villa Park for example. Sloppy player.
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Win = :)
Lose = >:(
Thats a fact, everyone wants to win. If you don't then your not human. When you lose, someone has to take the blame and it's not the fans paying the money and travelling to the games. Its either the owner, manager or the players. Your not going to clap the players off at full time if you have just lost a game you expected to win. And 40,000 fans (if their still left at full time) arn't exactly going to be silent are they? you've got to let them know how you feel.
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I think theres a song in there for when we play them later this month... 'McLeish is right, your fans are shite!'
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I am pleased that you are at least able to correctly spell the names of your players - however its hardly surprising when "Hleb" is so similar to "Pleb" ;)
Hleb means bread in belarussian - at least I think it does. I was also once on a train to Minsk and got talking to a couple of Belarussians about football. Naturally the conversation turned to Hleb as he was the only Belarussian footballer I knew. They were very disparaging about him as a person and they claimed he'd been involved in some car accident where someone died and that his connections helped him get off. No idea if true of not. I really rated him at Arsenal but he does seem to have lost his way somewhat - well a lot actually as he's ended up in a backstreet in Small Heath.
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Hleb means bread in belarussian
Interesting - Kleb is bread in Nadsat
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Hleb means bread in belarussian
Interesting - Kleb is bread in Nadsat
Not surprising - Hleb is pants in Small Heath
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How many times are you going to sign up under different names to try and ingratiate yourself with your betters?
I wasnt aware that a bit of banter was ingratiating myself to anyone,
BANTA OI OI
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Id have Albrighton in my team over Hleb under current form. It remains to be seen wether it can be kept up but here's hoping cus he looks mighty good. Citeh can fook right off with this one
As for the real topic - i think fans have a right to boo within reason, with blues it could go either way the unbeaten home run or the fact they've won just one game this year.
Hleb thinks there too good to go down, look no further than Newcastle just 2 years back...
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Boooooooooooo
Houllier out !
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Must admit when I heard the booing at half time against Arsenal I expected to see a thread condemning it as we often did when Mon used to whinge on.
Is it the fact Houllier said 'we deserved it, so what' that stopped the complaints or we just being fickle again
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Its not specifically a Villa related issue, its just the modern football fan in general. See also...
Chelsea being booed off recently
Spurs being booed off the week after thrashing the champions of europe
The Noses booing their rabble off after losing their first home game in over a year
etc etc
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I'd have been happy if we'd signed hleb to be honest. Fair enough on Dunne but your comments on Collins are wrong.
B**h's. Have to explain that one to me.
I've been scratching my head about B**h too!
We have to admit that the Johnson/Dann combo has worked well and contributed to the Shit's solid but uninspirational form. One or both will be off in the summer and they would be lucky to replace them with such good players. I haven't seen anything from Hleb from his time at the Sty to suggest that he'll return to anything like his former level of play. It's hardly surprising that the knuckledraggers rate him so highly in a squad packed with mediocrity and journeymen. He might shine in a quality team like Villa but will have to be content with being the cream of the crap at SHA.
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I wonder if we are literally better than them in every position. Thankfully I don't know their team off by heart so I can't comment.
I'd swap Roger Johnson for Dunne all day!!!
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I really hate booing, it drives me mad.
I wish we could get behind the team every week even when they play bad, they can only get better with support and encouragement.