Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: mr woo on October 02, 2010, 10:50:20 PM
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Pretty sure most of you guys saw todays game, either by attendance or stream.
Just watched the highlights on MOTD and thats certainly not a fair reflection of the game I saw earlier.
Surely the most one-sided editing job carried out by the Admiral-Akhbar-loving Spurs-biased wankers yet?
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Unbelievable.Just showed Spurz up to our goal when we were well on top for first 30 minutes.It looked like our goal had been scored against the run of play.So f*cking annoying !!
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Did you really expect any different?
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Why are you so suprised, we were playing a London club who the media love. We could have battered them for 85 mins but the highlights would be made to look like we were on the backfoot.
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I listened on the radio today and it sounded like spurs bombarding us with the odd counter attack by us.
But Lawro was very complementary about our attacking intent.
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Didn't see any problem with it to fair to MOTD.
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Lawro's been a ****** about us lately, still has some agenda over the state Houllier left his beloved Liverpool.
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Lawro's been a c*** about us lately, still has some agenda over the state Houllier left his beloved Liverpool.
I only hope when he clears his desk at Bodymoor Heath he leaves us in the same state, 12 months from being European Champions and all that.
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The problem with edited highlights is just that - they are edited highlights, which usually equates to goalmouth action or some flowing action or a talking point. In a highlights show you just can't get the feel of a sequence of 15 minutes of dominance unless it has some kind of end product; that end-product was our goal after we had outplayed Spurs early on. They did actually also show a couple of clear-cut chances in the analysis (notably Carew failing to free up Ashley on goal) which did not appear on the main sequence. And to be fair, both Lawro and Hansen found the time to compliment us on our style and attacking intent.
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Dunne was apparently "made to look a mug" by Van Der Vaart's deft touch for his second goal, according to the MOTD commentator. I just thought it was a lovely piece of skill and didn't need the unpleasant criticism of the defender.
In that position, Dunne has to commit to trying to block the first-time shot. Had he not thrown himself in front of the ball but just attempted to jockey him, VDV would have rifled the ball past Friedel with his first touch instead of his second.
It's splitting hairs, but I thought the phrase was a bit tabloid.
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Although I don't often subscribe to the regularly aired view that all shows/pundits/whatever have an agenda against AVFC, or all have a hardon for a club just because they're from London, it did strike me that last night's commentator was a bit over the top.
VDV's certainly a good player, but that comes across without the commentator squealing how every shot he had was so....so close, even though it was a good 3 foot over the bar/wide of the post.
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The sports round up on the BBC News channel featured our game. They showed the Spurs goals, but not ours.
Draw your own conclusions.
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The sports round up on the BBC News channel featured our game. They showed the Spurs goals, but not ours.
Draw your own conclusions.
My conclusion is that Spurs are a top four Champions League side and Villa aren't, what are yours?
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I wish people could get over this victim mentality / London conspiracy stuff. There probably is some bias, but people overstate it.
Recently, we got outplayed at home by Everton, but the MOTD highlights gave the impression of a much more equal game. The reason? The highlights showed the best chances of the game. The same with yday, for all our good play, Spurs created more chances. Despite us losing, the pundits still spent a fair bit of time talking about villa, possibly to even up the impression of the game having reviewed the impression you would get from the highlights.
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The sports round up on the BBC News channel featured our game. They showed the Spurs goals, but not ours.
Draw your own conclusions.
My conclusion is that Spurs are a top four Champions League side and Villa aren't, what are yours?
They maybe, but why didn't they show the goals for and against?
Spurs are the new Newcastle
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We played well and passed the ball around, but you very rarely see highlights of a team passing it round when they don't end up with a chance at the end of it.
Spurs passed it round well, but you only saw their moves when they created a good chance.
I thought they spoke about Villa well after the game and pointed out why we looked good.
It's hard to fit in everything in a short space of time.
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Just posted this in the Poat Match thread may be more appropriate here
The most annoying thing for me was Gabby Logan on red button Final score saying ,when we were leading coming up to half time, "Have Villa shown how to play the big Teams?"
I am fuming ..I used to like her but now she can go and %$##@##$%$%^
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We are a bit paranoid us Villains !
MOTD could do with a bit of a shake up, but Spurs won, we lost - they always show more of the winning team.
If we'd won, they'd have shown more of us, not least because there would have been more to show I should think.
Re. sussing out how to play the big teams, relax, unfortunatly Spurs are seen as a bigger club than Villa and at the moment, you can see why.
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The sports round up on the BBC News channel featured our game. They showed the Spurs goals, but not ours.
Draw your own conclusions.
My conclusion is that Spurs are a top four Champions League side and Villa aren't, what are yours?
They maybe, but why didn't they show the goals for and against?
Spurs are the new Newcastle
Because Spurs are a top four Champions League side! And they have signed a cracker in van der Vaart. Yes it's biased, but it's biased towards the top four Champions League side with the superb new signing.
To put it bluntly, your average punter doesn't give a shit about Aston Villa, we were only briefly interesting for a few days when MON resigned and Hotlips took over, now we are being ignored as the average, might scrape a UEFA place if we're lucky, team that the rest of the football world sees us as.
We will only know if Villa will get the same treatment as Spuds if we become a top four Champions League side capable of attracting the likes of van der Vaart, until then we'll have to grit our teeth and accept we've been (hopefully temporarily) overtaken by this bunch of bastards.
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We are a bit paranoid us Villains !
MOTD could do with a bit of a shake up, but Spurs won, we lost - they always show more of the winning team.
From the current issue of Private Eye, Why do Villa fans worry so about how the lame presenters of MOTD portray us?
The state of Match of the Day. The 46-year-old football highlights show is experiencing a sudden midlife crisis after a rush of attacks from media sporting figures. While the main people throwing the mud arc hardly impartial observers ¬Stan Collymore was sacked from the BBC for unusual uses of a car park and now works for rivals Talk Sport. while Brian Barwick is a former head of BBC Sport (and a former editor of MOTD) - the sticky stuff has stuck to an extent that should worry whoever replaces Jay Hunt as controller of BBC I.
The basic problem is that, while one reliable weekly piece of wisdom from the pundits is the virtue of squad rotation. this technique is never applied on the MOTD sofa, where the BBC gaffers select a rigid I + 2 formation. with Garv Lineker a fixture (except for half-terms off in Marbella) and two from the three of Alan Hansen. Alan Shearer and Mark Lawrenson.
These guys don't come cheap - the fees paid to Lineker, Shearer and Hansen make Chris Moyles look economical - but have fallen years ago into fixed routines. Lineker does laboured puns and Hansen glum horror at the quality of the defending. A sign of how tired these lines are becoming is that it's a good decade since both started being paid to send up these personas by advertisers, yet. incredibly. here thev still are trying to do it straight."
Lawrenson. who seems once to have been told by a mate in the pub that he's a bit of a wag, franticallv scans team-sheets looking for players who have the same name as a figure in another field, So. regardless of how he plays. a defender called Wisdom is inevitably going to hear it said that he was "more like Norman Wisdom on that occasion. Garv", which Gary will ignore, being distracted by wondering whether the midfielder Felia can humorously be described as "a bit of an abject Felia today".
Shearer at least doesn't try for jokes but. unfortunately. he doesn't really try for anything, relying on monotone recitation of hoary sporting litotes ("not the tallest". "not the quickest". "not the easiest") and bleedingly obvious psychology ("He'll think he should have scored").
These limited shticks are made worse by the fact that they take place in such total isolation. This is the only panel show on TV in which the contributors never disagree with each other. partly because the show is structured as a series 0f monologues -- Hansen on the defending in the Spurs game. then Lawro on the Wolves set¬pieces and partly because they are all smug chums who play golf together when off-air,
Add to this the presence of so many no-go areas left over from their playing days - Shearer can't be rude about Michael Owen. Hansen and Lawrenson can only critique Liverpool from the perspective of the club's greatness when they played for it - and it's rather as if Question Time were to feature four colleagues every week from the same party who were all at Oxford together.
As the lads like to say: the manager needs to get some new talent in fast.
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It's something I've noticed about MOTD, they always seem to leave chances out and then just put them ion the analysis.
Surely the Carew chance he skied and then the break he fcuked up should've been in the main highlights?!
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Whilst I thought the comments after the game were fair and agree with Dave that Spurs have moved up a gear probably for the first time since the Chas n Dave era, I still think the commentator sounded like some kid off fanzone. The mug comment about Richard Dunne was a bit much, just applaud the skill.
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We are a bit paranoid us Villains !
MOTD could do with a bit of a shake up, but Spurs won, we lost - they always show more of the winning team.
From the current issue of Private Eye, Why do Villa fans worry so about how the lame presenters of MOTD portray us?
The state of Match of the Day. The 46-year-old football highlights show is experiencing a sudden midlife crisis after a rush of attacks from media sporting figures. While the main people throwing the mud arc hardly impartial observers ¬Stan Collymore was sacked from the BBC for unusual uses of a car park and now works for rivals Talk Sport. while Brian Barwick is a former head of BBC Sport (and a former editor of MOTD) - the sticky stuff has stuck to an extent that should worry whoever replaces Jay Hunt as controller of BBC I.
The basic problem is that, while one reliable weekly piece of wisdom from the pundits is the virtue of squad rotation. this technique is never applied on the MOTD sofa, where the BBC gaffers select a rigid I + 2 formation. with Garv Lineker a fixture (except for half-terms off in Marbella) and two from the three of Alan Hansen. Alan Shearer and Mark Lawrenson.
These guys don't come cheap - the fees paid to Lineker, Shearer and Hansen make Chris Moyles look economical - but have fallen years ago into fixed routines. Lineker does laboured puns and Hansen glum horror at the quality of the defending. A sign of how tired these lines are becoming is that it's a good decade since both started being paid to send up these personas by advertisers, yet. incredibly. here thev still are trying to do it straight."
Lawrenson. who seems once to have been told by a mate in the pub that he's a bit of a wag, franticallv scans team-sheets looking for players who have the same name as a figure in another field, So. regardless of how he plays. a defender called Wisdom is inevitably going to hear it said that he was "more like Norman Wisdom on that occasion. Garv", which Gary will ignore, being distracted by wondering whether the midfielder Felia can humorously be described as "a bit of an abject Felia today".
Shearer at least doesn't try for jokes but. unfortunately. he doesn't really try for anything, relying on monotone recitation of hoary sporting litotes ("not the tallest". "not the quickest". "not the easiest") and bleedingly obvious psychology ("He'll think he should have scored").
These limited shticks are made worse by the fact that they take place in such total isolation. This is the only panel show on TV in which the contributors never disagree with each other. partly because the show is structured as a series 0f monologues -- Hansen on the defending in the Spurs game. then Lawro on the Wolves set¬pieces and partly because they are all smug chums who play golf together when off-air,
Add to this the presence of so many no-go areas left over from their playing days - Shearer can't be rude about Michael Owen. Hansen and Lawrenson can only critique Liverpool from the perspective of the club's greatness when they played for it - and it's rather as if Question Time were to feature four colleagues every week from the same party who were all at Oxford together.
As the lads like to say: the manager needs to get some new talent in fast.
Great post, what a start to your H&V career. Who needs VDV?
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Bring back Hugh Johns (I know he was Star Soccer, but you know what I mean), who never in a million years would have come out with shite like this.
Once again Chelsea unleash the Drog on Arsenal
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Oh dear, wanker alert on MOTD2 right now.
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It's a visit to David Gold's house.
He's shown us his FA Cup, the presenter has pointed out our name on it.
He's wearing a diamante DG badge on his lapel.
He's mentioned his helicopter.
It's been on less than 60 seconds.
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It's a visit to David Gold's house.
He's shown us his FA Cup, the presenter has pointed out our name on it.
He's wearing a diamante DG badge on his lapel.
He's mentioned his helicopter.
It's been on less than 60 seconds.
He's a class act and in no way courts publicity for himself.
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It's a visit to David Gold's house.
He's shown us his FA Cup, the presenter has pointed out our name on it.
He's wearing a diamante DG badge on his lapel.
He's mentioned his helicopter.
It's been on less than 60 seconds.
He's also just mentioned the poverty stricken kid done good.......again.
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It's a visit to David Gold's house.
He's shown us his FA Cup, the presenter has pointed out our name on it.
He's wearing a diamante DG badge on his lapel.
He's mentioned his helicopter.
It's been on less than 60 seconds.
That twat Murray asked what made a good chairman, and the responses were something along the lines of one that doesn't give interviews or sign autographs. After last week's wine tasting, and tonight's Gold contribution, MOTD2 is rapidly turning into the so bad it's good category.
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It's a visit to David Gold's house.
He's shown us his FA Cup, the presenter has pointed out our name on it.
He's wearing a diamante DG badge on his lapel.
He's mentioned his helicopter.
It's been on less than 60 seconds.
That twat Murray asked what made a good chairman, and the responses were something along the lines of one that doesn't give interviews or sign autographs. After last week's wine tasting, and tonight's Gold contribution, MOTD2 is rapidly turning into the so bad it's good category.
He also used the term "Mighty Liverpool", a Liverpool that's so mighty they are currently in the bottom 3 and haven't won the league for 2 decades.
And just think, we pay this pricks wages.
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I wish people could get over this victim mentality / London conspiracy stuff. There probably is some bias, but people overstate it.
Totally agree. It comes across as total paranoia and is a bit embarrassing.
That said, MOTD has come over as very 'tired' this season, and the past World Cup was the first time I can ever remember preferring ITV's coverage over the BBC's - never thought that would happen.
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MoTD is always absolute bollocks. In fact I can't think of a more accurate description of the programme, with its self-satisfied, knee-spreading, over-paid, jobs-for-life presenters. Come to think of it that goes for most B.B.C.-generated crap. I just wish that I could find a legal way out of paying the bloody licence fee. >:( >:(
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I dont watch it anymore. It is indeed absolute bollocks. A pity the only alternative is Sky but there you go.
I'm sick of that jug eared crisp mucher and his halfwit chums smirking at each other whilst talking shite. I'm sick of camp Lawro lounging in his chair like he's just had his sunday dinner and cant be arsed and his poxy BHS shirts fresh out of the packet.
I'm sick of Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool or Chelsea being on first every time and I do regret I have to help fund this garbage.
Here's a match of the day. A big pile of festering rancid shit and BBCs saturday night football programme.
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I dont watch it anymore. It is indeed absolute bollocks. A pity the only alternative is Sky but there you go.
I'm sick of that jug eared crisp mucher and his halfwit chums smirking at each other whilst talking shite. I'm sick of camp Lawro lounging in his chair like he's just had his sunday dinner and cant be arsed and his poxy BHS shirts fresh out of the packet.
I'm sick of Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool or Chelsea being on first every time and I do regret I have to help fund this garbage.
Here's a match of the day. A big pile of festering rancid shit and BBCs saturday night football programme.
we were on first on saturday, lol
but im gonna stop watching it now, rather wait for goals on sunday
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At least MOTD2 doesn't take itself so seriously, or it didn't until last night!
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Did anyone see that twat David Gold showing off "his" FA cup on MOTD 2. When Kevin Day mentioned that the name of Aston Villa was on the cup the twat Gold made some smart remark about trying to rub the name off. Ha ha jealous prick, he's been hanging around the sty too long.
And he wonders why people dislike him, cnut!
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MoTD is always absolute bollocks. In fact I can't think of a more accurate description of the programme, with its self-satisfied, knee-spreading, over-paid, jobs-for-life presenters. Come to think of it that goes for most B.B.C.-generated crap. I just wish that I could find a legal way out of paying the bloody licence fee. >:( >:(
It's drastic, but you could consider getting rid of your television set. Admittedly, the few people I know who have were almost hounded to death by the TV licensing people.
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The Gold piece and the panel's reactions were brilliant.
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The first thing a Spurs fan at work (who went to the game) said was how appalling MOTD coverage was. He reckoned it was a close game and Villa could have nicked it.
Dixon and Hansen on MOTD2 were spot on about that idiot Gold mind. Makes Deadly look like Randy in terms of publicity seeking.
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A Spurs fan of my acquaintance said we deserved something from the game and it was the best he's seen for a long time.
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I was watching soccer saturday during the game and Phil Thompson didn't want us to lose much did he?
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To be fair Darren Moore, the Mirror reporter, said that the MOTD coverage was bizarre in that it didn't do us justice and as has been mentioned, we were on top up when taking the lead, and that we fully contributed to a great game. Its a pity that MOTD didn't show it in full - our contribution, and despite the criticism cewrtain teams get for their coverage you have to wonder why they showed what they did.
My take was that the story of the game was Van De Vaart and they wanted to show him more than anything with bits of us around it. Fair enough I guess in a 5 minute slot.
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I see Tom Ross has waded into the debate demanding that Adrian Chiles be brought back to present MOTD2 instead of the current idiot!
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The Gold piece and the panel's reactions were brilliant.
Did you see the massive dent in his roller where that bottle that was thrown could have killed the driver, Gold and all of his immediate family?
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I was watching soccer saturday during the game and Phil Thompson didn't want us to lose much did he?
That same big nosed git who was offered the assistant manager's post here a couple of weeks back?
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I'll just about tolerate MOTD as long as they never promote Pingu AKA Garth Crooks onto it.
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Oh dear, wanker alert on MOTD2 right now.
MOTD 2 presented by Colin Murray. It's there in black and white in all the tv listings.
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I'll just about tolerate MOTD as long as they never promote Pingu AKA Garth Crooks onto it.
Pingu!! ROFL, as the kids might say.
He's always bought to mind the bloke off the the front cover of "Exile on Main St" by the Stones, the one with about 4 snooker balls in his gob, for me.